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Location: Oklahoma | This is my first year of keeping horses without a pond.... so enlighten me!! Will it make the water too warm or just above freezing? Is it safe?
http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/allied-precision-2002dp-universal-drain-plug-de-icer
if not, then what do you suggest? I wish I could have automatic waters, but I just can't justify that yet.... probably will after about a week of busting ice!! |
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Location: NE Wyoming | We have used this style heater for the past 7 years. We live in NE WY so it can get a little chilly and we've never had a problem. Sometimes in the big 1000 gallon tank, some of the side will freeze up when it -20 or colder, but around the heater is open and there is plenty of room for them to get water. It keeps the water at a good temp for drinking and for the fish that live in there :) |
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| I have one in mine and it does not keep the water what I'd call "warm" but it does keep it from freezing. It's been in the signle digits at night and this morning I deceided to put my hand in the water to see what it felt like and I will say it was not warm enough to make me want to crawl in and soak in it. But it was a decent enough temperature for my horses to drink comfortably. And it was 8 degrees at 6:00 AM when I was out there this morning. As long as your wiring can handle it (remember a 1500 watt tank heater is like having 15, 100 watt light bulbs all on at the same time 24/7), it is very safe. And cheaper than a vet bill if your horse colics from not drinking enough water in the winter.
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  Friendly horse swapper
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Location: Buffalo, TX | I can't live without them...get the red ones with the cord that comes out of the top because they sit good in the tank...the blue ones are crap....I've never had a safety issue with them, but I keep my cords up off the ground where they won't get wet and out of reach for my horses. I also have the big heated tubs if I need them and heated buckets in my stalls if we get ice and I have to bring them in...they make life so much easier in the winter....
I've never used the drain plug type, just the one in the picture, and I've had the same ones for 8 years..
p.s...this type keeps the water unfroze in the coldest weather because it sits on top, not at the bottom of the tank...
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| We use something similar.
Word of advice: be SURE to ground your tank/water. If the tank is one of the plastic Rubbermaid ones, you do this by driving in a ground rod next to the tank, and then using a piece of wire, attach to ground rod, and put other end of wire up over the edge of the tank and INTO the water, so that it's always in the water.
Just in case there is any stray voltage, that wire will ground it out and eliminate the horses getting shocked.
We haven't had an issue with that in the past few years, but have had issues before we properly grounded the tank/water. The instructions should also explain to do this. |
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Location: Idahome | We use the in tank heater that screw into the drain like your link. We have one of those big blue tank (I think around 600 gallons). On days that it is in the teens or below it still partially freezes the half of the tank that is not close to the heater. It does not make the water warm. I prefer these over the floating heaters as well. |
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| Silly question......... are there any cordless de-icers? Power is an issue to one of my tanks.. Makes for a really long winter. |
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| SuckerForHorses - 2014-11-13 8:46 AM We use something similar. Word of advice: be SURE to ground your tank/water. If the tank is one of the plastic Rubbermaid ones, you do this by driving in a ground rod next to the tank, and then using a piece of wire, attach to ground rod, and put other end of wire up over the edge of the tank and INTO the water, so that it's always in the water. Just in case there is any stray voltage, that wire will ground it out and eliminate the horses getting shocked. We haven't had an issue with that in the past few years, but have had issues before we properly grounded the tank/water. The instructions should also explain to do this.
Hmmm, interesting. I have the plastic rubbermaid tank with the plug in the bottom hole type heater and have never had a ground issue with it. And I just stuck my hand in the trough this morning too, so I feel the water temp. Ahhhhhh! I can't use the float kind, my horse would think they were toys. :) |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Do they make heated tubs? I've got 2 of mine fenced away from the pond and have been using a rubber hay tub for water. I don't want or need a big tank.
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| brlraceaddict - 2014-11-13 11:51 AM
SuckerForHorses - 2014-11-13 8:46 AM We use something similar. Word of advice: be SURE to ground your tank/water. If the tank is one of the plastic Rubbermaid ones, you do this by driving in a ground rod next to the tank, and then using a piece of wire, attach to ground rod, and put other end of wire up over the edge of the tank and INTO the water, so that it's always in the water. Just in case there is any stray voltage, that wire will ground it out and eliminate the horses getting shocked. We haven't had an issue with that in the past few years, but have had issues before we properly grounded the tank/water. The instructions should also explain to do this.
Hmmm, interesting. I have the plastic rubbermaid tank with the plug in the bottom hole type heater and have never had a ground issue with it. And I just stuck my hand in the trough this morning too, so I feel the water temp. Ahhhhhh! I can't use the float kind, my horse would think they were toys. :)
Well, we never had an issue either...until we had an issue!
And once they get shocked, it takes a while for them to be willing to drink from that tank again.
Also, your hand won't always feel it. In fact, most times you won't be able to feel it, but the animals can.
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| I use a submersible tank heater
http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/allied-precision-sinking-de-icer-1500-w
I've had better luck with these... but does anyone else see their electric bill spike with these?! mine does every year!! Anyone tried a thermacube to help control when it is on and off? i'm wondering if that would help save me some money! |
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Location: That part of Texas | I use the one that plugs in from the bottom because my horses tend to pull the other ones out of the stock tank for fun. I haven't had any problems with it. It's saving my butt right now because we won't get out of the 20's today and the horses are drinking lots of water with all the hay they are eating. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I wish we had some. My father in law and husband are against them because years ago they had one short out in the tank and the horses wouldn't drink. Aparrently the horses could sense it. Nothing appeared wrong with the heater though...so now they won't use them. I chop ice morning noon and night for anything in the corral :(
This morning at 7 am we were 22- and the ice was a good 2 inches thick. Went out an hour and half later to let Audie out of the barn and it was already nearly an inch thick again.
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| To each their own, but I would rather prevent them from getting shocked by properly installing and grounding the heating unit/tank. |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-13 11:15 AM Do they make heated tubs? I've got 2 of mine fenced away from the pond and have been using a rubber hay tub for water. I don't want or need a big tank.
Yes, I have a couple of them...I got them at Atwoods...mine are green and the size of a muck bucket, 16 gallons with a heating element and cord...they are about $65...I see Jeffers has them for $66.95...
http://www.jefferspet.com/products/heated-16-gallon-tub
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | SuckerForHorses - 2014-11-13 10:32 AM To each their own, but I would rather prevent them from getting shocked by properly installing and grounding the heating unit/tank.
if this is meant to my comment, sounds good. I do plan to mention the grounding part. Maybe they never thought of that. I grew up on 5 acres and we used a heater in the water in the barn. Still worried about burning the barn down. We have heaters in the electric waterers in the other corral, but even they freeze and need broke open in our weather. |
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| I have used 2 things before.
1. A propane tank heater. They are pricey, but they work great, you just can't have them in a windy spot, the pilot goes out. Ours only went out when the wind was out of the south east, which is pretty close to once or twice a year.
2. We got down to 2 horses, so we use the plug in water tubs that look like a poop bucket from Farm Inovators.
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Location: Buffalo, TX | SuckerForHorses - 2014-11-13 11:32 AM To each their own, but I would rather prevent them from getting shocked by properly installing and grounding the heating unit/tank.
Me too...thanks for the reminder...last year someone told me to ground my tanks and I haven't done it yet, but I am going to do that tomorrow...luckily my horses don't mess with the floating heaters.... |
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Location: Oklahoma | Thanks so much for all the info!!!! I'm guessing it's safe to leave the floating ones on 24/7 (or as needed)? I'm just afraid that my gelding would get to nudging around and burn his nose. My dad has one of them, but he just puts it in long enough to let the ice melt a couple times a day. I'm sure when his calves get as bunched up as possible to drink someone would be bound to get burned.
My tanks are just the Rubbermaid 100 gallon ones. I'm assuming I won't be able to run two of these de-icers at the same time since it's so much wattage? |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Longneck - 2014-11-13 11:39 AM Thanks so much for all the info!!!! I'm guessing it's safe to leave the floating ones on 24/7 (or as needed)? I'm just afraid that my gelding would get to nudging around and burn his nose. My dad has one of them, but he just puts it in long enough to let the ice melt a couple times a day. I'm sure when his calves get as bunched up as possible to drink someone would be bound to get burned.
My tanks are just the Rubbermaid 100 gallon ones. I'm assuming I won't be able to run two of these de-icers at the same time since it's so much wattage?
One of my tanks is the Rubbermaid 100 gallon one and one heater does the job...if you get the floating one, buy the plastic ring that goes around the element, then it won't touch the side of the tank or burn your horse. |
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| I have used the floaters too, and nobody has ever gotten burned. The hot part stays down, the top part is just like a plastic dome.
Also, you should plug them in to a GFCI outlet, and if an extension cord is a must, make sure you get a heavy-duty outdoor cord, and keep it as short as possible to get from outlet to heater. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-13 12:15 PM Do they make heated tubs? I've got 2 of mine fenced away from the pond and have been using a rubber hay tub for water. I don't want or need a big tank.
Yes. You can get them at TSC. I think the biggest ones are 15 gal. We have two and they are at least 6 or 7 years old and still work perfectly. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-13 9:30 AM I wish we had some. My father in law and husband are against them because years ago they had one short out in the tank and the horses wouldn't drink. Aparrently the horses could sense it. Nothing appeared wrong with the heater though...so now they won't use them. I chop ice morning noon and night for anything in the corral :(
This morning at 7 am we were 22- and the ice was a good 2 inches thick. Went out an hour and half later to let Audie out of the barn and it was already nearly an inch thick again.
My husband was against them too until my horse coliced on a cold, snowy day from not drinking enough. After the Saturday emergency call and the rest of the vet bill, it was cheaper to plug in a tank heater over the winter and he has relented ever since. |
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Location: Here | I love my heated muck buckets!!! www.kvvet.com
I have some that are 14 years old and still going strong |
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| I have never heard or seen heated muck buckets. I have the heated buckets. Is that what you mean? |
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| Sandok - 2014-11-13 2:09 PM
I have never heard or seen heated muck buckets. I have the heated buckets. Is that what you mean?
These:
http://www.jefferspet.com/products/heated-16-gallon-tub
are the same size as a muck bucket, but with a heater. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Cindy Hamilton - 2014-11-13 11:35 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-13 11:15 AM Do they make heated tubs? I've got 2 of mine fenced away from the pond and have been using a rubber hay tub for water. I don't want or need a big tank.
Yes, I have a couple of them...I got them at Atwoods...mine are green and the size of a muck bucket, 16 gallons with a heating element and cord...they are about $65...I see Jeffers has them for $66.95...
http://www.jefferspet.com/products/heated-16-gallon-tub
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | we used a floater for years actually had a few going, cords all over the yard and dragging out the hose in -40..blah.....this will be our 2nd year floater free...lol.....we had a water bowl put in...I LOVE IT....
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | SuckerForHorses - 2014-11-13 1:20 PM Sandok - 2014-11-13 2:09 PM I have never heard or seen heated muck buckets. I have the heated buckets. Is that what you mean? These: http://www.jefferspet.com/products/heated-16-gallon-tub are the same size as a muck bucket, but with a heater.
I LOVE THESE- we have two so far. Saving for more for our inside pens. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | brlraceaddict - 2014-11-13 11:28 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-13 9:30 AM I wish we had some. My father in law and husband are against them because years ago they had one short out in the tank and the horses wouldn't drink. Aparrently the horses could sense it. Nothing appeared wrong with the heater though...so now they won't use them. I chop ice morning noon and night for anything in the corral :(
This morning at 7 am we were 22- and the ice was a good 2 inches thick. Went out an hour and half later to let Audie out of the barn and it was already nearly an inch thick again.
My husband was against them too until my horse coliced on a cold, snowy day from not drinking enough. After the Saturday emergency call and the rest of the vet bill, it was cheaper to plug in a tank heater over the winter and he has relented ever since.
In the 12 or so years we have been here, we have had a couple get colicy/belly aches from not enough water but everyone is still anti heater. Part is because of how the water tank is set up in the corral for horses in the corral and my father in laws rams on the other side. They can get to the cord no matter what we do and if one hooked it and it got near the plank fence they are scared it would burn the corrals and barn down. We've never had a horse out in the big pastures that are also on water tanks get a belly ache which is strange, they get their tanks opened up once a day. I think it has something to do with the ones in the corral are on dry grass hay. I started to feed everything mush in the morning, even if it is just a coffee can full (beet and alfalfa pellets soaked) and so far we haven't had another colic. |
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Location: Kansas | Everything we tried caused a current in the water. A friend lost a horse to colic because there was a current and she didn't realize it until it was too late. We're still breaking ice. We have a heated muck basket but the horses aren't too interested in it. They can definitely sense the electricity.
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Location: Alberta | In past years we have had up to 5 rubbermaid tanks with heaters and running 100ft of hose everyday to fill them then drain when done - such a pain in the a$$!! This year we have built new/temporary pens and moved horses around so we only have 1 Rubbermaid tank with heater and only need 10ft of hose to fill and everyone else is on water bowls! SO EXCITED!!! lol
We have only had an issue with one pen of horses constantly pulling out their heater just about everyday. We have our tanks up against a plank fence so what my husband did was run the cord from the submersible heater through a piece of PVC pipe that was long enough to hold the heater about 2" from the bottom of the tank and then strapped/screwed the top part of the pipe to the plank fence so they couldn't whip the heater out, worked like a charm! This way the heater was always in the middle of the tank so it kept the whole tank thawed and the horses couldn't move it at all. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | CEFERG - 2014-11-13 2:10 PM
In past years we have had up to 5 rubbermaid tanks with heaters and running 100ft of hose everyday to fill them then drain when done - such a pain in the a$$!! This year we have built new/temporary pens and moved horses around so we only have 1 Rubbermaid tank with heater and only need 10ft of hose to fill and everyone else is on water bowls! SO EXCITED!!! lol
We have only had an issue with one pen of horses constantly pulling out their heater just about everyday. We have our tanks up against a plank fence so what my husband did was run the cord from the submersible heater through a piece of PVC pipe that was long enough to hold the heater about 2" from the bottom of the tank and then strapped/screwed the top part of the pipe to the plank fence so they couldn't whip the heater out, worked like a charm! This way the heater was always in the middle of the tank so it kept the whole tank thawed and the horses couldn't move it at all.
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Location: USA | CEFERG - 2014-11-13 3:10 PM In past years we have had up to 5 rubbermaid tanks with heaters and running 100ft of hose everyday to fill them then drain when done - such a pain in the a$$!! This year we have built new/temporary pens and moved horses around so we only have 1 Rubbermaid tank with heater and only need 10ft of hose to fill and everyone else is on water bowls! SO EXCITED!!! lol We have only had an issue with one pen of horses constantly pulling out their heater just about everyday. We have our tanks up against a plank fence so what my husband did was run the cord from the submersible heater through a piece of PVC pipe that was long enough to hold the heater about 2" from the bottom of the tank and then strapped/screwed the top part of the pipe to the plank fence so they couldn't whip the heater out, worked like a charm! This way the heater was always in the middle of the tank so it kept the whole tank thawed and the horses couldn't move it at all.
What is a water bowl??
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Location: Alberta | Dreamingofcans - 2014-11-13 2:43 PM
CEFERG - 2014-11-13 3:10 PM In past years we have had up to 5 rubbermaid tanks with heaters and running 100ft of hose everyday to fill them then drain when done - such a pain in the a$$!! This year we have built new/temporary pens and moved horses around so we only have 1 Rubbermaid tank with heater and only need 10ft of hose to fill and everyone else is on water bowls! SO EXCITED!!! lol We have only had an issue with one pen of horses constantly pulling out their heater just about everyday. We have our tanks up against a plank fence so what my husband did was run the cord from the submersible heater through a piece of PVC pipe that was long enough to hold the heater about 2" from the bottom of the tank and then strapped/screwed the top part of the pipe to the plank fence so they couldn't whip the heater out, worked like a charm! This way the heater was always in the middle of the tank so it kept the whole tank thawed and the horses couldn't move it at all.
What is a water bowl??
Heated electric stock waterer- the permanent ones! I never know what to call them! lol |
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| I have always used the floaters. In Minnesota and now here in Oklahoma.. The only issue I have ever had is----Like others have stated. You get that ONE horse that will pull it out of the tank by the cord and toss it on the ground... This not only will ruin the heater it costs a bunch more to run... While in Minnesota I built an insulated box around my water tank. I left a hole open big enough for the horses to drink, and making sure the heater would stay under the covered part.... Essentially there was a 2 ft by 2 ft opening and the rest of the tank covered in wood and insulation..
NOW here in Oklahoma I don't go through that much effort... BUT I do try to keep the floating heater under something that the horse can't get ahold of it and toss it out of the tank. |
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Location: Way up North | mruggles - 2014-11-13 1:27 PM we used a floater for years actually had a few going, cords all over the yard and dragging out the hose in -40..blah.....this will be our 2nd year floater free...lol.....we had a water bowl put in...I LOVE IT....
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Yep! I have said time and again best investment ever was putting in an automatic waterer! Way cheaper to heat, no issues with stray voltage, no more jackwagon gelding pulling the heater out, no more dinking around with hoses, etc, etc! When it's -40 and blowing I like only having to spend 5 minutes instead of 45 outside doing chorse and running back to my toasty house |
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Location: Nebraska | I will not buy tank heaters that sit in the tank any more. I will only use the ones that go in the drain hole. When I was a little girl, we had a horse chew the tank heater which caused our other horse to get electrocuted when he went to get a drink. |
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| brlracerchick - 2014-11-13 9:38 PM I will not buy tank heaters that sit in the tank any more. I will only use the ones that go in the drain hole. When I was a little girl, we had a horse chew the tank heater which caused our other horse to get electrocuted when he went to get a drink.
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Location: MD | I've used the screw in ones and the sinking tank heaters. the screw in ones are pretty good but I've had rotten luck with them last winter. the horses apparently got bored and bent one and it was leaking through the plug. then the next one I bought shorted and of course I had about 80 gallons of solid ice on it to bust through in order to get it out. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-13 11:30 AM I wish we had some. My father in law and husband are against them because years ago they had one short out in the tank and the horses wouldn't drink. Aparrently the horses could sense it. Nothing appeared wrong with the heater though...so now they won't use them. I chop ice morning noon and night for anything in the corral :(
This morning at 7 am we were 22- and the ice was a good 2 inches thick. Went out an hour and half later to let Audie out of the barn and it was already nearly an inch thick again.
So if THEY are against them...Why are YOU chopping Ice?? LOL
THAT would not fly at my place. They'd be doing the ice chopping or I'd have heaters in the troughs. |
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