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| I have a couple of horses and trying to decide if they are worth my time.
I have a coming three year old that wing footed?
Hubby does not think she will hold up running barrels, and doesn't want to spend any more time and money on her.
I have a 7 year old that toes in a little, think it can be controlled with proper trimming.
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| I wouldn't try to correct the toeing in. You will create more problems soundness wise. I had a mare that toed in and it never bothered her or impacted her athletic ability. I would rather a horse toe in than toe out. |
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Location: Montana | What does wing footed mean? I know toeing in, but wing footed has me a bit confused. Personally, if the horse travels sound, I'd just watch see how things go.
My farrier says that by the time they are pretty much grown up, there is no point in trying to correct how their hooves point as that is the way they are...you creat more problems trying to correct it than dealing with it the best you can. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | WTH is wing-footed?? Correcting ankles can be done up to 6 weeks of age... Correcting knees can be done up to 6 months of age... after that.... what you see is what you get.. |
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| I believe what she is meaning by winged footed is the horse wings the foot out wards once the foot is picked up off the ground during a stride.
It all depends on what you want to do with these horses, if you want to be pro caliber and rodeo 4-5/week, these horses may not stand up to it.
If you are a weekend barrel racer, they will probably hold up fine.
Out of the two I would keep the toed in over the winged out one. As the winged out I find hit themselves more often.
With the toed in, I would have the farrier trim her to how she hits the ground. I have one my current farrier has her feet looking normal and you would never know she was toed in, the vets farrier, trims her so she looks massively toed in then she has contraction issues. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2014-11-16 12:46 PM
I believe what she is meaning by winged footed is the horse wings the foot out wards once the foot is picked up off the ground during a stride.
It all depends on what you want to do with these horses, if you want to be pro caliber and rodeo 4-5/week, these horses may not stand up to it.
If you are a weekend barrel racer, they will probably hold up fine.
Out of the two I would keep the toed in over the winged out one. As the winged out I find hit themselves more often.
With the toed in, I would have the farrier trim her to how she hits the ground. I have one my current farrier has her feet looking normal and you would never know she was toed in, the vets farrier, trims her so she looks massively toed in then she has contraction issues.
OK.. I know that as 'paddling out' ... a weighted shoe will correct that if it's not just an unbalanced trim.... a foot flies to weight... |
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Location: Minnesota | Does the OP mean pigeon toed?? I've also never hear wing footed before. I have a mare who is pigeon toed and she is just fine. I don't try and correct her hoove at all. I have a good quality farrier and that is good enough for her. :) |
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| Ctrygirl14 - 2014-11-16 3:07 PM
Does the OP mean pigeon toed?? I've also never hear wing footed before. I have a mare who is pigeon toed and she is just fine. I don't try and correct her hoove at all. I have a good quality farrier and that is good enough for her. :)
Toeing in horse will be pigeon toed.
The winged footed I have seen this term in other breeds as the wing their foot out wards as the pick their foot off the ground and stride forward.
As komet said also known as paddling.
This is my guess what the op meant |
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| I have a dumb toed-in question. I have an older mare that is toed in. She is 10 now. I just got her. She was in bad shape. Had pretty much been neglected since the age of 3. Is there a chance being neglected for that long caused it or has she been like that her whole life and its genetic? |
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Location: Florida.. | we have a few paddlers.. they have beeen successful... proper farrier works wonders.. |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2014-11-16 4:53 PM
I have a dumb toed-in question. I have an older mare that is toed in. She is 10 now. I just got her. She was in bad shape. Had pretty much been neglected since the age of 3. Is there a chance being neglected for that long caused it or has she been like that her whole life and its genetic?
True pigeon toed is a conformation flaw, I would not blame neglect on the horse being toed in.
A horse can wear funny due to improper farrier but this can be corrected. |
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Location: Montana | komet. - 2014-11-16 12:53 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-11-16 12:46 PM I believe what she is meaning by winged footed is the horse wings the foot out wards once the foot is picked up off the ground during a stride. It all depends on what you want to do with these horses, if you want to be pro caliber and rodeo 4-5/week, these horses may not stand up to it. If you are a weekend barrel racer, they will probably hold up fine. Out of the two I would keep the toed in over the winged out one. As the winged out I find hit themselves more often. With the toed in, I would have the farrier trim her to how she hits the ground. I have one my current farrier has her feet looking normal and you would never know she was toed in, the vets farrier, trims her so she looks massively toed in then she has contraction issues. OK.. I know that as 'paddling out' ... a weighted shoe will correct that if it's not just an unbalanced trim.... a foot flies to weight...
Edited by mtcanchazer 2014-11-16 6:53 PM
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| Thank you all for you insight.
I think I will sent the wing footed aka paddler down the trail. I really like her, but barrel racing may be too much her.
The toeing in aka pigeon toed mare I will give a chance.
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| I have been a farrier for 35 years. The winged footed horse can be corrected with proper shoeing. Leave the one toeing in as natural as possible. we had one of these for 30 years and she was a 1d horse anywhere she went right up until we retired her. |
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| GLP - 2014-11-16 11:54 AM
I wouldn't try to correct the toeing in. You will create more problems soundness wise. I had a mare that toed in and it never bothered her or impacted her athletic ability. I would rather a horse toe in than toe out.
Why would you rather have a horse toe in than out? My mare toes out on her right front so that statement has me curious....... I have not done much with my mare but hope to start her on barrels...... |
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| Because a pigeon toed horse's foot path will not cause interference with the other front leg. A toed out horse will IF they toe put enough. Not all do. My sister had a nice mare who tied out on one front leg but it wasn't much and she always rode her with front boots/polo wraps on. |
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Location: Okemah,OK | Best horse I've ever owned is pigeon toed. He's barefoot now but we shod him for years. Never had an trouble from it, shod (& now trim) him like he stands. Only thing I have to watch is walking on a lot of concrete, he'll "rasp" himself just from the way his foot moves when he steps. We wear boots in those situations and don't have any trouble. Pigeon toed will never scare me away from one. |
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| Wait......Wing footed is the foot swings in and back out to travel and paddling is when the foot moves out and then back in during travel. Paddling is common in pigeon toed horse while winging is common in horses that toe out.
Is the three year old winging or paddling? and how bad is the pigeon toed horse because I bet he is paddling to some degree. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | FlyingJT - 2014-11-18 12:26 PM
Wait......Wing footed is the foot swings in and back out to travel and paddling is when the foot moves out and then back in during travel. Paddling is common in pigeon toed horse while winging is common in horses that toe out.
Is the three year old winging or paddling? and how bad is the pigeon toed horse because I bet he is paddling to some degree.
Now that would make sense... I was trying to figure out how a paddling horse was hitting itself.. |
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| komet. - 2014-11-18 12:34 PM
FlyingJT - 2014-11-18 12:26 PM
Wait......Wing footed is the foot swings in and back out to travel and paddling is when the foot moves out and then back in during travel. Paddling is common in pigeon toed horse while winging is common in horses that toe out.
Is the three year old winging or paddling? and how bad is the pigeon toed horse because I bet he is paddling to some degree.
Now that would make sense... I was trying to figure out how a paddling horse was hitting itself..
What I am still trying to figure out is how some horses can paddle on one side or the other, in only one foot.. Any ideas? Would it be associated with the conformation of the knee down, or in the foot(maybe club footed or something). |
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Location: SE Louisiana | FlyingJT - 2014-11-18 12:40 PM
komet. - 2014-11-18 12:34 PM
FlyingJT - 2014-11-18 12:26 PM
Wait......Wing footed is the foot swings in and back out to travel and paddling is when the foot moves out and then back in during travel. Paddling is common in pigeon toed horse while winging is common in horses that toe out.
Is the three year old winging or paddling? and how bad is the pigeon toed horse because I bet he is paddling to some degree.
Now that would make sense... I was trying to figure out how a paddling horse was hitting itself..
What I am still trying to figure out is how some horses can paddle on one side or the other, in only one foot.. Any ideas? Would it be associated with the conformation of the knee down, or in the foot (maybe club footed or something ).
Yes... A horse's foot flies to weight and lands to height... So, if for some reason the foot grows heavier on one side than the other, it will fly in that direction as it comes off the ground to move forward. Thus a weighted shoe will correct that problem. The longest part of the hoof (growing downward) will strike the ground first when it lands and crank the foot around accordingly before the rest of the hoof contacts the ground. That type of foot simply needs a level/balanced trim.
Edited by komet. 2014-11-18 1:04 PM
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| I am weekend barrel racer for the most part.
I am choosing to keep the toeing in mare over the wing footed filly as I feel the wing footed filly will have soundness issues in future, but she is extremely athletic. The guy who is trading for her will provide her a good home (which is a huge deal to me) and will use her for cattle working.
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wing footed or toeing in