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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | OK the prosecuting attorneys want to make a deal. What do you think would be my best choice. This is my Criminal Stalking charge by my city. I feel we have plenty of evidence to counter all her lies. The reason I am asking here is because this is a wide female audience. The Court wants me to take a psycological examination because nobody ever submits a very detailed and graphic affidavit like I did to the court. I started laughing when my attorney told me that. Well I told him they never ran into a Doug Gordon B4.
1. Plea and Obeyance. I plead guilty and in about 2 years it could be taken off my record. I said No way!
2. The attorneys file a "Diversion" with the court where no admission of guilt or innocence is made, the court assigns things for me to complete like "Pyscological examination, ect." When my assignments are complete my record is wiped clean. However if I don't complete the assignments, They would then prosecute me from the beginning. However, she would not be accountable for her lies that started the entire thing in the first place. The Civil Stalking charge would still be in effect.
3. Same as #2 but she (D. E P) has to drop the civil Stalking Injunction and we both go our opposite ways. This way her lies won't be exposed in court and to her fiance.
4. Go to court and defend myself with my attorney. Take my chance with a jury. Attorney said jurys can be very unpredictable especially with this kind of case and if lots of women are on the jury. It is also going to be pretty expensive. If i loose, I will have a Stalking record the rest of my life. If I win, she can be held accountable for her lies and perjury. Then I will have no record. If I win, then I will have to go with a Civil Defense attorney to get the civil stalking order taken off.
5. Run to Mexico and sell cheap merchandise on the beach for the next 30 years.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | SG. - 2014-11-19 6:24 PM #6 listen to your attorney
By law he has to just give me the options and I choose. He does have one he is leaning towards. But I am not completely satisfied with it. Either way which ever I choose he will go to bat for me big time he said. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | memory - 2014-11-19 6:42 PM Take a plea and be done. I am a true believer of Karma. She will get exposed down the road. Just sit back and wait. It always happens.
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Why don't you like #3?
I've been reading your posts on the other threads as well as here ... why don't you like 3?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | rodeomom3 - 2014-11-19 7:46 PM Take a deal. Like NJJ said, from the perspective of reading your previous posts you might not recognize how some of your behavior or comments comes across to others. The list you gave to the police was a little strange and some of your posts explaining things are hard to follow and don't make sense.
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2014-11-19 7:34 PM
I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
I disagree.. If he takes a guilty plea, no matter what they say, it will be on his record forever... If she walked in there and told a stack of lies like he says, the chances are some of those lies will be there to support others. Any competent lawyer only needs to pick one of those lies apart to make the rest of them crumble and there she will be sitting with egg all over her face. As to a jury stacked with women, that might work FOR him. Women understand each other and will be more likely to spot lies other women tell and understand what she is doing.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2014-11-19 7:50 PM NJJ - 2014-11-19 7:34 PM I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
I disagree.. If he takes a guilty plea, no matter what they say, it will be on his record forever... If she walked in there and told a stack of lies like he says, the chances are some of those lies will be there to support others. Any competent lawyer only needs to pick one of those lies apart to make the rest of them crumble and there she will be sitting with egg all over her face. As to a jury stacked with women, that might work FOR him. Women understand each other and will be more likely to spot lies other women tell and understand what she is doing.
You will notice that I said "without all of the facts" before giving my opinion.....We only have HIS word that she lied. Additionally, without knowing his state's rules of diversion, I will say that in "some" states, you do NOT have to plead guilty, etc......That is the whole point of a diversion.....you are deemed neither guilty or innocent. And unless he doesn't complete his diversion (counseling or whatever), he can't be prosecuted. Also, I will guarantee that there will be women on the jury that will overlook a little lie here or there and concentrate on his demeanor, etc. Just a WOMAN'S opinion.......... |
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komet. - 2014-11-19 7:50 PM NJJ - 2014-11-19 7:34 PM I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
I disagree.. If he takes a guilty plea, no matter what they say, it will be on his record forever... If she walked in there and told a stack of lies like he says, the chances are some of those lies will be there to support others. Any competent lawyer only needs to pick one of those lies apart to make the rest of them crumble and there she will be sitting with egg all over her face. As to a jury stacked with women, that might work FOR him. Women understand each other and will be more likely to spot lies other women tell and understand what she is doing.
'Diversion' is just a sound bite... Any agreement that forces him to do anything is a guilty plea and a diversion is nothing more than a plea deal. Anyone on the jury might overlook one little lie, but the lawyers and the judge will not. Not in a court of law. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2014-11-19 8:22 PM NJJ - 2014-11-19 8:14 PM komet. - 2014-11-19 7:50 PM NJJ - 2014-11-19 7:34 PM I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
I disagree.. If he takes a guilty plea, no matter what they say, it will be on his record forever... If she walked in there and told a stack of lies like he says, the chances are some of those lies will be there to support others. Any competent lawyer only needs to pick one of those lies apart to make the rest of them crumble and there she will be sitting with egg all over her face. As to a jury stacked with women, that might work FOR him. Women understand each other and will be more likely to spot lies other women tell and understand what she is doing. 'Diversion' is just a sound bite... Any agreement that forces him to do anything is a guilty plea and a diversion is nothing more than a plea deal. Anyone on the jury might overlook one little lie, but the lawyers and the judge will not. Not in a court of law.
LOL....You have more confidence in the legal system that what I have......He was looking for a woman's perspective and I gave it to him...... |
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komet. - 2014-11-19 8:22 PM NJJ - 2014-11-19 8:14 PM komet. - 2014-11-19 7:50 PM NJJ - 2014-11-19 7:34 PM I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
I disagree.. If he takes a guilty plea, no matter what they say, it will be on his record forever... If she walked in there and told a stack of lies like he says, the chances are some of those lies will be there to support others. Any competent lawyer only needs to pick one of those lies apart to make the rest of them crumble and there she will be sitting with egg all over her face. As to a jury stacked with women, that might work FOR him. Women understand each other and will be more likely to spot lies other women tell and understand what she is doing. 'Diversion' is just a sound bite... Any agreement that forces him to do anything is a guilty plea and a diversion is nothing more than a plea deal. Anyone on the jury might overlook one little lie, but the lawyers and the judge will not. Not in a court of law.
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Location: relocated to Texas | NJJ - 2014-11-20 6:34 PM I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
Agree with this. Douglas, your ego is not going to serve you well in court. I understand if you feel wronged that you want to expose her lies. But, I am sure your attorney told you that a jury is unpredictable. You come off in these posts as arrogant and wanting to get even. Again, not saying you don't have a right to feel that way, but your attitude is not going to go over well with females on the jury. Take option 3. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | komet. - 2014-11-20 6:50 PM NJJ - 2014-11-19 7:34 PM I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
I disagree.. If he takes a guilty plea, no matter what they say, it will be on his record forever... If she walked in there and told a stack of lies like he says, the chances are some of those lies will be there to support others. Any competent lawyer only needs to pick one of those lies apart to make the rest of them crumble and there she will be sitting with egg all over her face. As to a jury stacked with women, that might work FOR him. Women understand each other and will be more likely to spot lies other women tell and understand what she is doing.
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komet. - 2014-11-20 6:50 PM NJJ - 2014-11-19 7:34 PM I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
I disagree.. If he takes a guilty plea, no matter what they say, it will be on his record forever... If she walked in there and told a stack of lies like he says, the chances are some of those lies will be there to support others. Any competent lawyer only needs to pick one of those lies apart to make the rest of them crumble and there she will be sitting with egg all over her face. As to a jury stacked with women, that might work FOR him. Women understand each other and will be more likely to spot lies other women tell and understand what she is doing.
I understand the truth is not always enough. I doubt DJG is stupid enough to post lies on a website she knows he frequents.
As far as the OJ trial goes, I believed he was guilty right up until the prosecutor had him try to put the "bloody glove" on his hand and there was no way it was ever large enough to fit. Her whole case was based on that glove being found in close proximity to his home.
I believe in the axiom 'The Truth Will Always Out' as it did in the OJ trial when the cop Fuhrman was proven to be a lair and a racist and was convicted of felony perjuring himself in that trial. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Question #1...is the 'psychological exam' even admissible? I highly doubt it. I say...go with the truth. You know, the ultimate conspiracy is between a judge & 2 lawyers...usually behind closed doors, deciding 'feasability'. Sharks don't eat sharks.
'Everything you say can and WILL be held against you'. Shut the heck up!
The burden of proof is on her...be aware, however, that innocence is not a defense. And if your lawyer is not going to defend you then dismiss him/her.
These are serious charges!
It could mean that you can no longer hunt or even own a gun. Maintain your innocence. Don't offer explanations or emotions. Just yes or no.
Good luck...the courts, lawyers...they all have a need to justify their existence, demand a jury of your 'peers', people who know you & know your 'intent'. THAT is what that means.
Truth & integrity. I abhor the entire 'plea bargain' bs. So wrong.
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Location: relocated to Texas | komet. - 2014-11-20 8:23 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-11-19 9:00 PM komet. - 2014-11-20 6:50 PM NJJ - 2014-11-19 7:34 PM I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
I disagree.. If he takes a guilty plea, no matter what they say, it will be on his record forever... If she walked in there and told a stack of lies like he says, the chances are some of those lies will be there to support others. Any competent lawyer only needs to pick one of those lies apart to make the rest of them crumble and there she will be sitting with egg all over her face. As to a jury stacked with women, that might work FOR him. Women understand each other and will be more likely to spot lies other women tell and understand what she is doing. I understand the truth is not always enough. I doubt DJG is stupid enough to post lies on a website she knows he frequents. As far as the OJ trial goes, I believed he was guilty right up until the prosecutor had him try to put the "bloody glove" on his hand and there was no way it was ever large enough to fit. Her whole case was based on that glove being found in close proximity to his home. I believe in the axiom 'The Truth Will Always Out' as it did in the OJ trial when the cop Fuhrman was proven to be a lair and a racist and was convicted of felony perjuring himself in that trial.
So you believe that OJ was innocent? Uh, OK. I rest my case about who might be on a jury, Douglas. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-11-19 9:57 PM
komet. - 2014-11-20 8:23 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-11-19 9:00 PM komet. - 2014-11-20 6:50 PM NJJ - 2014-11-19 7:34 PM I think as a man you have the mindset that you are right and want to PROVE that….but let’s be real……Women are going to look at a “stalking” charge very seriously. I will preface this by saying that without all of the facts, etc, this opinion is based on your posts..........I have read most of your posts (and I don’t mean this hatefully) but you do come off as a little obsessive with a tad bit of arrogance…..and women HATE arrogant men. Unfortunately, your chance with a jury could very well be tainted by just ONE strong woman who could sway a vote. I would go with #3 and do the community service or whatever and get IT OVER…..whatever you decide....Good Luck!
I disagree.. If he takes a guilty plea, no matter what they say, it will be on his record forever... If she walked in there and told a stack of lies like he says, the chances are some of those lies will be there to support others. Any competent lawyer only needs to pick one of those lies apart to make the rest of them crumble and there she will be sitting with egg all over her face. As to a jury stacked with women, that might work FOR him. Women understand each other and will be more likely to spot lies other women tell and understand what she is doing. I understand the truth is not always enough. I doubt DJG is stupid enough to post lies on a website she knows he frequents. As far as the OJ trial goes, I believed he was guilty right up until the prosecutor had him try to put the "bloody glove" on his hand and there was no way it was ever large enough to fit. Her whole case was based on that glove being found in close proximity to his home. I believe in the axiom 'The Truth Will Always Out' as it did in the OJ trial when the cop Fuhrman was proven to be a lair and a racist and was convicted of felony perjuring himself in that trial.
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| Just be aware and talk to your attorney but I believe a "diversion" will still appear on your criminal records. Not necessarily for the public but for gun permits or law enforcement/county/state employment. I run crim histories daily and "dismissed, conditions met" appear on many many many histories. Just speak to your attorney before making a decision... nothing in a plea bargain ever gets completely erased... its can be tracked and seen by others to a certain extent.
With that said, I've worked with the public defenders officer and work in law enforcement... going to trial is tricky and no matter if you win or lose, you wont have her exposed like you want. Your attorney is right that jurys are unpredictable and there is some evidence he cannot use. That may benefit you or that may not. You may have all these facts and proof but make sure that its evidence that can be used in court. (ive seen many court cases won/lost due to evidence not being allowed).
No one can make this decision for you as your attorney knows what kind of case you have... and you know what you're willing to accept as a result.
If you lose, can you stomach having a criminal record and conviction? You may win but you have to be okay with losing because you cant go backwards.
And as others have said... your personality and appearance can sway a jury... it is suppose to be a group of your peers but everyone has baggage that fogs their judgement and creates biases. |
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Location: lone star state | Having worked for 10 years in the criminal justice system if you are truely innocent then ask for a jury trial. The truth will set you free. The law is designed to protect innocent people. Your attorney can weed thru potential jurors with voir dire questions to determine if women who may be selected are men haters or unable to listen to ALL the evidence and make a just decision.
If you feel that in any way you agged the situation on or are not 100 percent beyond a reasonable doubt innocent then take the deffered probation. Understand that in most states you can file a motion for non disclosure after a no contest plea or defferred finding of guilt plea but because you pled your record may not be expunged. Make sure your attorney explains that part to you according to your state laws.
Another tactic if you feel you may be the slightest bit guilty is to wait until jury selection.Often times prosecutors who feel they can't win will sweeten the deal by offering something better to settle the case and get something as opposed to a not guilty. |
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| Another thing to consider... you have been ordered something by the court already correct? No contact order? HRO? (I thought I remember reading a post about this?)
If so, consider that a judge has already essentially sides with her facts. They don't just give those out to everyone... and I am not saying that judges don't commonly dismiss them because they do... however, just something to keep in mind. |
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| stayceem - 2014-11-19 10:27 PM Another thing to consider... you have been ordered something by the court already correct? No contact order? HRO? (I thought I remember reading a post about this?) If so, consider that a judge has already essentially sides with her facts. They don't just give those out to everyone... and I am not saying that judges don't commonly dismiss them because they do... however, just something to keep in mind.
Injunctions against harrassment/orders of protection/temporary restraining orders have a very low standard to meet to get one issued, so this comment isn't necessarily true. How the TRO might come into effect in this case is if there are concerns that DG has violated the terms of the TRO.
As for the original question: (1) juries can be unpredicatable. (2) judges are people too. As for the diversion offers, it would depend on what the terms or requirements would be required. Finally, if your state has victim's rights (which I believe all states do), she may have a say in the terms. I think I would want something that makes her stay away from you so as not to try to set you up to fail. |
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Location: ND | firewaterfuelsme - 2014-11-19 10:26 PM Having worked for 10 years in the criminal justice system if you are truely innocent then ask for a jury trial. The truth will set you free. The law is designed to protect innocent people. Your attorney can weed thru potential jurors with voir dire questions to determine if women who may be selected are men haters or unable to listen to ALL the evidence and make a just decision. If you feel that in any way you agged the situation on or are not 100 percent beyond a reasonable doubt innocent then take the deffered probation. Understand that in most states you can file a motion for non disclosure after a no contest plea or defferred finding of guilt plea but because you pled your record may not be expunged. Make sure your attorney explains that part to you according to your state laws. Another tactic if you feel you may be the slightest bit guilty is to wait until jury selection.Often times prosecutors who feel they can't win will sweeten the deal by offering something better to settle the case and get something as opposed to a not guilty.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | azsun - 2014-11-19 10:39 PM stayceem - 2014-11-19 10:27 PM Another thing to consider... you have been ordered something by the court already correct? No contact order? HRO? (I thought I remember reading a post about this?) If so, consider that a judge has already essentially sides with her facts. They don't just give those out to everyone... and I am not saying that judges don't commonly dismiss them because they do... however, just something to keep in mind. Injunctions against harrassment/orders of protection/temporary restraining orders have a very low standard to meet to get one issued, so this comment isn't necessarily true. How the TRO might come into effect in this case is if there are concerns that DG has violated the terms of the TRO.
As for the original question: (1 ) juries can be unpredicatable. (2 ) judges are people too. As for the diversion offers, it would depend on what the terms or requirements would be required. Finally, if your state has victim's rights (which I believe all states do ), she may have a say in the terms. I think I would want something that makes her stay away from you so as not to try to set you up to fail.
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| azsun - 2014-11-19 10:39 PM
stayceem - 2014-11-19 10:27 PM Another thing to consider... you have been ordered something by the court already correct? No contact order? HRO? (I thought I remember reading a post about this?) If so, consider that a judge has already essentially sides with her facts. They don't just give those out to everyone... and I am not saying that judges don't commonly dismiss them because they do... however, just something to keep in mind.
Injunctions against harrassment/orders of protection/temporary restraining orders have a very low standard to meet to get one issued, so this comment isn't necessarily true. How the TRO might come into effect in this case is if there are concerns that DG has violated the terms of the TRO. As for the original question: (1 ) juries can be unpredicatable. (2 ) judges are people too. As for the diversion offers, it would depend on what the terms or requirements would be required. Finally, if your state has victim's rights (which I believe all states do ), she may have a say in the terms. I think I would want something that makes her stay away from you so as not to try to set you up to fail.
I am not saying that his case is already decided but you still have to have facts to get an order granted... I am just saying there was enough facts to get one granted. There is obviously a lot more facts that would be brought out during a trial but obviously a judge has felt there was legitimate enough concerns to grant an order. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | stayceem - 2014-11-19 11:35 PM azsun - 2014-11-19 10:39 PM stayceem - 2014-11-19 10:27 PM Another thing to consider... you have been ordered something by the court already correct? No contact order? HRO? (I thought I remember reading a post about this?) If so, consider that a judge has already essentially sides with her facts. They don't just give those out to everyone... and I am not saying that judges don't commonly dismiss them because they do... however, just something to keep in mind. Injunctions against harrassment/orders of protection/temporary restraining orders have a very low standard to meet to get one issued, so this comment isn't necessarily true. How the TRO might come into effect in this case is if there are concerns that DG has violated the terms of the TRO.
As for the original question: (1 ) juries can be unpredicatable. (2 ) judges are people too. As for the diversion offers, it would depend on what the terms or requirements would be required. Finally, if your state has victim's rights (which I believe all states do ), she may have a say in the terms. I think I would want something that makes her stay away from you so as not to try to set you up to fail. I am not saying that his case is already decided but you still have to have facts to get an order granted... I am just saying there was enough facts to get one granted. There is obviously a lot more facts that would be brought out during a trial but obviously a judge has felt there was legitimate enough concerns to grant an order.
The attorneys agreed to have her testify 2 weeks ago under oath to lock in her testimony. She lied like a SOB. From the result of her testimony, the Judge bound me over for trial. He did mention that this case was very thin. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | TXBO - 2014-11-20 8:15 AM
A little free physiological work might not be a bad idea.
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Location: Idaho | I think you need to change your perception of a 'win'. Option 3, having this all go away is a total win. Even if you should be successful in a jury trial, you will expend a lot more time and money and still have the civil suit to deal with. You have to remember that you are on trial here, even if you are found not guilty, you will not 'expose her lies'. Going forth and fighting the civil suit would also be another waste of time and money and likely result in a similar settlement somewhere down the road. Take the deal and make this all go away instead of continuing a fight that you can't really win. She will never believe you are right, time to heal up and move on. She won't really be getting what she wants, you won't really be getting what you want, but it will be over. |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 8:34 AM
TXBO - 2014-11-20 8:15 AM
A little free physiological work might not be a bad idea.
What does that mean?
I think this was written to be taken lightly … some of the threads about this serious situation have gone to the teasing side. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | #3 is my counter offer! I am asking my attorney to negotiate that deal. If they don't go for #3 then I am leaning going to trial. |
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Location: Midwest | I would do everything to avoid going to trial. It will be expensive and unpredictable. You seem to have a good life- not something I would be willing to risk just to get back at someone or prove their character. People like that get found out eventually anyway. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-11-20 8:51 AM
I would do everything to avoid going to trial. It will be expensive and unpredictable. You seem to have a good life- not something I would be willing to risk just to get back at someone or prove their character. People like that get found out eventually anyway.
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Location: Florida | I would avoid anything that requires probation or a restraining order. More arrests are for violating probation than there are for the orgional crimes. I met someone who went into an Olive Garden and was seated on one side of the resturant, not knowing his ex was on the other side and she had him thrown in jail for it.
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Location: SE KS | I didn't read any further than the 1st page.
However, My husbands EX-Wife claimed he molested their daughter, the daughter would never say "dad did it", so their solution was a Psycho sexual evaluation. Which my husband & our attorney were against. However, part of that evaluation was a polygraph test. (I don't remember how, what or why, but he did the polygraph test) Also, the Ex wife had to take one too. (this was almost 20 years ago) SHE failed the polygraph & my husband PASSED it. The ex wife & her lawyer, became quite negiotiable after that & my husband no longer needed to be evaluated!!!
Don't know if a polygraph would help in your case or not.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Her basic story is that she was my employ (Spanish translation and helping mix omeprazole) and that we never had any relationship of any kind. That I wanted more of a relationship.
Her testimony under oath:
1. She worked for me for an hourly wage.
Actual truth she worked for me 4-8 hours per month.
2. She said she translated for me.
Actual truth she never translated for me once; however she did go with me on sales calls. Clients will testify of that.
3. She said I hired her to "clean the horses"
Actual truth she helped me hose off my partnership horse after a speed work. See my FB page May 19-Video.
4. She said she never came to my home when not working.
Truth I have neighbors that have signed affidavits and will testify she and her car were at my house morning, noon, and night and sometimes all night. See my FB page May 22 where I made dutch oven dinner for her and her 2 children. My landlord was an eye witness. My rommate was and eye witness and his cousin and friend.
5. She said we never did fireworks together, but I gave her some.
Truth January 30 Chinese New Years it was the first time she introduced me to her children. We did a couple thousand $$$ of fireworks and the police and fire department didn't know it was legal to do fireworks and they were dispatched to the scene. Police wouldn't give me a report but fire marshall gave me a report documenting it. See my FB page February 3 Chinese Lantern.
6. She said she didn't ask me to go dance but she said her friend invited me.
Truth her is a conversation about asking me to go dancing. FB private messages. Whst are u doing tomorrow night
Nothing planned
Well it deoend how u feel. I want to go to the latino night. Just wondering if you wanted to go
I ment it depend how I feel
Sure, I am not a good dancer. Jajajajaja
entiendo
I'll let you know
OK, where is it?
You will be ok
Downtown provo
What is th ename of it?
Salsa chocolate
I think I went there once to see people dance. I was taking dance lessons 1 1/2 years ago
There?
No my clients daughter in SLC
They teach a lesson from 9 to 10 then its open
she was teaching me at their house. I have a problem with no rythmn
U showed me the video
Oh yeah, Jajajajajja
7. She said we never held hands, kissed or had ?????
Truth My landlord, roommate, his cousin, and his friend witnessed things.
8. She said we didn't talk on the phone.
Truth we talked 3-4 hours a month. Verified by Verizon.
We texted about 850 back and forth per 3-4 weeks. Verified by Verizon.
9. She said she saw me in Sports Authority and became afraid for her and her boyfriends safety. June 21.
Truth is she asked me in a text message where I was, and I responded. Verified by Verizon. 36 text messages that day. She said she never came to my house but on June 22 she came to my house at 945 at night and we talked for 2 1/2 hours about our relationship and her new boyfriend. That day we had 49 text messages back and forth. This is after she testified that she was afraid.
10. She was asked about Tums that she bought and brought to my house.
Truth is she was grasping at straws and tried to tie the Tums and omeprazole and calcium carbonate together, hahaha. She had eaten all my Tums.
That is just a sample of her testimony.
I have a FB private message where she talked to her friend about the topic of marriage with me.
I have an eye witness where she refers to me as her Boss, friend, swim coach, lover, dance student ect in a private message. Also the same eye witness where she calls me her "Platonic Lover" Which doesn't make sense.
Here is a conversation between use while I am in South America in May.
. Leaving for Venuzuela tomrrow. Be in Bogota Saturday afternoon. Fly out Sunday morning. Should I bring you Coca leaves to chew? Jajajajaja Cocaine tree growing here where I stay, LOL
May 28th, 6:19pm
I don't think that will be a good Idea, I don't want to have to go and do noches locas (Slang for sex in Spanish) to some jail in Colombia jajajaja JK. I didn't go to the gym this morning because graduations, so Im getting ready to got run, then Zumba and then swimming drills. I hope you day has been nice so far, you take care, Besos. (Kisses in Spanish)
See my FB page June 6. That is the day she gets her US citizenship.
Posted swim lessons on FB. I spent hours teaching her how to swim at the gym and witnessed by many. I took her shopping for swim fins, swimming suit, ordered swin hand paddles. Spent hours watching a swim DVD from my swim coach in Australia at my house. She wanted to learn to swim so she could do a triathlon.
She posts likes on many subjects on my FB. When I was going through the depression stage after June 22 I deleted many on the things on FB that she was posted in until I came to my senses and realized I needed to save evidence.
Oh yeah the Red White and blue blanket.
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| Doug, I didn't read all of that, but you're fixating on how she wronged you, how you're innocent, etc....
You anger alone seems like you are angry enough to stalk someone. You need to back off. You need to keep a low profile and stay far away from her or any other woman for a while. If I was sitting on a jury for your case, I would think that you might just be crazy enough to stalk someone.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Doug - seriously, this is painful to witness. Why are you posting this stuff?
I honestly don't understand. What do you hope to accomplish by airing this out on here? You have always been nice to me, so this is an honest question. I don't see how this is helpful to you. You seem like a pretty confident guy and very capable of making your own decisions, and obviously, you have ample documentation to support your version of things. So....what is your goal? Good luck buddy. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | SCORCHOLVR - 2014-11-20 10:00 AM Also, block her on Facebook and don't go back to look at anything she posts. Cut all ties and step away.
I did! I was just posting some samples of her lying testimony! |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | I'm kinda confused & alarmed at how this thread shows 'fear' of the courts...those are OUR courts, there to give us the opportunity to face our accusers and/or accuse someone of an absolute crime. With proof.
It's become a game of who is the better 'actor', and this includes the lawyers...all the 'players'. What a mockery our system has become.
What happened to us? Why don't we trust the system? What can we do to fix it?
Aside from that we've become a nation of people who support laws against what we 'might' do...where no crime has been committed...this is dangerous!
Douglas, you sure don't have to answer this here...just ask yourself:
Are you accused of a 'crime'? Of hurting someone...are you a stalker? How old are you & is this your first 'offense'? It's unfortunate that our character is put on trial...without a jury of our 'peers', those who know us personally & can attest to our character & intent because they know us! That is the promise the Constitution protects...you must, however, assert that right.
The folks of BHW are not your 'peers'. We don't really know you. I think you've been given some good & honest advice...so work on it! Be the better 'actor' if you must. Play the game to win. Making a plea is the same thing as admitting guilt. Taking the easy way.
I'm very sorry that you're going through this...our system requires 'victims' to continue to justify the existence of various 'agencies', it also requires so-called perpetrators who are 'miraculously cured' by the 'system'...it's a game.
Whatever you decide...I hope you win!
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-20 10:03 AM Doug - seriously, this is painful to witness. Why are you posting this stuff? I honestly don't understand. What do you hope to accomplish by airing this out on here? You have always been nice to me, so this is an honest question. I don't see how this is helpful to you. You seem like a pretty confident guy and very capable of making your own decisions, and obviously, you have ample documentation to support your version of things. So....what is your goal? Good luck buddy.
Thanks H. I just wanted womens perspective on the decision I have to make and how maybe women jurrors would look at this case. |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 10:03 AM
SCORCHOLVR - 2014-11-20 10:00 AM Also, block her on Facebook and don't go back to look at anything she posts. Cut all ties and step away.
I did! I was just posting some samples of her lying testimony!
Are you trying to convince us or yourself that you aren't guilty? Because, I believed you 4 weeks ago, now I'm not so sure.
And, I'm not being mean. I'm just calling it like I see it. You want advice. We're giving it and you keep coming back with more crazy stuff. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | SCORCHOLVR - 2014-11-20 10:08 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 10:03 AM SCORCHOLVR - 2014-11-20 10:00 AM Also, block her on Facebook and don't go back to look at anything she posts. Cut all ties and step away. I did! I was just posting some samples of her lying testimony! Are you trying to convince us or yourself that you aren't guilty? Because, I believed you 4 weeks ago, now I'm not so sure. And, I'm not being mean. I'm just calling it like I see it. You want advice. We're giving it and you keep coming back with more crazy stuff.
I was just answering questions and suspitions that some had and giving evidence to show where i was coming from. I am a very easy going person at times but then I am a very high strung person at times. When and if a person attacks me or my family or a friend Hell or high water I will prove them wrong. |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | I work for a county attorney's office & have sat through many jury trials & have been baffled on more than one occasion on things that they got hung up on. I would not take this to a jury but if you feel it is necessary request a bench trial & the judge makes the final decision. In Kansas if you enter into a diversion contract you have to admit your guilt & take responsibility for your actions on the application before being approved. Once approved you are signing over any rights to a trial & if you violate the terms of diversion the Judge will find you guilty & the diversion will be revoked. Again, I don't know much about your situation but I would be hesitant taking this to a jury trial. |
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| Do you see how obsessed you are with this case? It's almost easy to believe that you would be obsessed enough to stalk someone. You aren't doing yourself any favors by continuing to rehash every detail of your relationship with her. |
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| SCORCHOLVR - 2014-11-20 10:15 AM Do you see how obsessed you are with this case? It's almost easy to believe that you would be obsessed enough to stalk someone. You aren't doing yourself any favors by continuing to rehash every detail of your relationship with her. This ^ The fact that you do not recognize how incredibly bad of an idea it is to be discussing this court case on a public forum that they can see and use against you in court is evidence that you are not looking at this clearly and may not be looking at other situations clearly either. Take a breath and do what you need to do to make this go away. As a woman, because of the statements you have made on here, I don't think your odds look too good for a jury trial.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | This is what I sent to my attorney just now.
Good morning Earl,
Here is what I will accept in the Diversion: I will accept the Diversion and will complete all requirements that they want, Only if she drops the Civil Stalking charge and we go our separate ways. This is a win win for both of us. Her lies won't be exposed in court and to her fiance. In the deal, we both submit to a polygraph since they want me evaluated she needs to be evaluated also.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | When you are being accused of something that is false and you defend yourself, I don't call that obcessed! |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 10:48 AM
When you are being accused of something that is false and you defend yourself, I don't call that obcessed!
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Location: Oz, Kansas | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 9:46 AM This is what I sent to my attorney just now.
Good morning Earl,
Here is what I will accept in the Diversion:
I will accept the Diversion and will complete all requirements that they want, Only if she drops the Civil Stalking charge and we go our separate ways. This is a win win for both of us. Her lies won't be exposed in court and to her fiance. In the deal, we both submit to a polygraph since they want me evaluated she needs to be evaluated also.
If they do not accept this deal, we will go to trial.
I seriously doubt she will consent to a polygraph since she isn't the one charged with a crime. Let it go, if you want to do diversion, do it successfully & move on. At this point who cares what lies she's told. Even if she took an ad out in the paper confessing her lies you still won't feel vindicated so move on. Last I checked a polygraph isn't submissable in court anyway. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | lookout hill - 2014-11-20 11:06 AM
Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 9:46 AM This is what I sent to my attorney just now.
Good morning Earl,
Here is what I will accept in the Diversion:
I will accept the Diversion and will complete all requirements that they want, Only if she drops the Civil Stalking charge and we go our separate ways. This is a win win for both of us. Her lies won't be exposed in court and to her fiance. In the deal, we both submit to a polygraph since they want me evaluated she needs to be evaluated also.
If they do not accept this deal, we will go to trial.
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Location: Moving soon..... | First of all, I do not think that you are arrogant, just very honest and up front. I would go with what your attorney advises you to do. Good luck. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2014-11-20 10:33 AM
SCORCHOLVR - 2014-11-20 10:15 AM Do you see how obsessed you are with this case? It's almost easy to believe that you would be obsessed enough to stalk someone. You aren't doing yourself any favors by continuing to rehash every detail of your relationship with her. This ^ The fact that you do not recognize how incredibly bad of an idea it is to be discussing this court case on a public forum that they can see and use against you in court is evidence that you are not looking at this clearly and may not be looking at other situations clearly either. Take a breath and do what you need to do to make this go away. As a woman, because of the statements you have made on here, I don't think your odds look too good for a jury trial.
This is wisdom, you should take it. As a police officer and a woman, they are right. And your attorney will tell you (if he hasn't already) that asking a 'victim' to submit to a polygraph is distasteful to a jury. Walk away. |
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Location: Canada | I don't know you so I have a limited view but I've read this post all the way through and this is my honest opinion of what I see.
You strongly feel you have been wronged and you want her to recant what she has said and start telling the truth. IMO you need to let this go. I can only imagine how awful this entire situation is but she's been given every opportunity to save face and she holds fast to what she's said. She either knows she's lying and doesn't know how to stop or get out of it, or she's suffering from a mental issue of some sorts and she can't distinguish fiction from reality. The other option is that she has been lying for so long she believes her own stories.
Regardless of the reason she is never going to suddenly start saying the truth and I can only imagine how much that must hurt but she's not going to change. The only thing you can change is how you react to this and it's time to try to let it go. (I know this is so much easier said then done.)
You're angry and you have a right to feel that way but you're coming off as arrogant and obsessive on this matter. I know that this woman is trying to ruin you and I can't only imagine the rage that can bring but you need you stop. I know you're looking for input from women but at this point it seems you are overly obsessing and you need to take a step back.
I think you were smart to go with option 3 but IMO you need to stop trying to "get back" at this woman. She's never going to come out and admit she was wrong and asking her to submit to a polygraph just looks immature. You know she won't agree and if she does what will it solve truthfully? You know she's lying and your friends know as well. That is what matters.
I think your best bet is Option 3 as long as it's wiped clean at the end and after that be thankful she's gone.
This was not meant to be rude or disrespectful but just as an observation. I hope that this has a swift end and that you are able to happily move on.
Best of luck!
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Thank you to all of you! I have heard from my attorney and he said he can't combine this with dropping the Civil charges so he is preparing for Court! |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 1:00 PM
Thank you to all of you! I have heard from my attorney and he said he can't combine this with dropping the Civil charges so he is preparing for Court!
^^^ At the heart of humor is a seed of truth. And what dhdqhllc said was hilarious.
Seriously. Settle. Plea. Do not take the stand if it does go to court. You will never convince a jury with women on it. And the police officer's low opinion of you will hold a lot of weight with the jury (it always does).
I spend about two or three days a month testifying in court. I do not know a single attorney who isn't smart enough to Google every witness, victim, and suspect for incriminating, discrediting information. You are easy to find. And your obsession makes you look at least unstable. You will not be happy with the outcome of a court or jury trial.
Oh - and your attorney? Keep in mind, he will double his bill by getting a full court day out of it - plus all the prep. Attorneys aren't just sharks for their clients, they are first and foremost in the game to make money. Remember that when he advises you.
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Location: Looking for someplace cooler | I will say this one time and one time only. If you have any court case pending or anything that may go to court. You keep your mouth shut, you do not go on any public form and discuss anything. Your lawyer should have told you that or you are old enough to know better. |
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Location: Washington | JustJokin - 2014-11-20 11:42 AM I will say this one time and one time only. If you have any court case pending or anything that may go to court. You keep your mouth shut, you do not go on any public form and discuss anything. Your lawyer should have told you that or you are old enough to know better.
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Location: ND | fatchance - 2014-11-20 1:45 PM JustJokin - 2014-11-20 11:42 AM I will say this one time and one time only. If you have any court case pending or anything that may go to court. You keep your mouth shut, you do not go on any public form and discuss anything. Your lawyer should have told you that or you are old enough to know better. He has been advised this before, but yet here we are again.
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Location: Deep in the heart of Texas. | I Have a court case that is still going on almost a year later. Talk to your lawyer he will try to direct you in the right direction if he is a good lawyer. My lawyer suggested me to go into the right direction But I will not go into detail about my case. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | For those people that say he is obsessed because of him posting her testimony, this is now in court records and is available to the public. DG, if you take #3, because it now becomes clear a civil suit cannot be tied to this, you will be wide open to anything she wants to sue you for with no way out. It has been said here by women about a woman that THIS woman will never admit she is wrong and that she has lied. Take this to heart. This is a truism about women. If you have the option to choose the judge over a jury, with the easily proven lies you have posted, take the judge. Even if you you get a woman judge she will be trained in the law and will not be able to ignore a pathological liar... Good luck sir. |
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| azsun - 2014-11-20 8:46 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 8:34 AM TXBO - 2014-11-20 8:15 AM A little free physiological work might not be a bad idea. What does that mean? I think this was written to be taken lightly … some of the threads about this serious situation have gone to the teasing side.
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-19 11:21 PM azsun - 2014-11-19 10:39 PM stayceem - 2014-11-19 10:27 PM Another thing to consider... you have been ordered something by the court already correct? No contact order? HRO? (I thought I remember reading a post about this?) If so, consider that a judge has already essentially sides with her facts. They don't just give those out to everyone... and I am not saying that judges don't commonly dismiss them because they do... however, just something to keep in mind. Injunctions against harrassment/orders of protection/temporary restraining orders have a very low standard to meet to get one issued, so this comment isn't necessarily true. How the TRO might come into effect in this case is if there are concerns that DG has violated the terms of the TRO. As for the original question: (1 ) juries can be unpredicatable. (2 ) judges are people too. As for the diversion offers, it would depend on what the terms or requirements would be required. Finally, if your state has victim's rights (which I believe all states do ), she may have a say in the terms. I think I would want something that makes her stay away from you so as not to try to set you up to fail.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-20 2:33 PM
This sh!t is better than Judge Wapner.
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Location: Oklahoma | LRQHS - 2014-11-20 2:37 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-11-20 2:33 PM This sh!t is better than Judge Wapner. It is difficult to stay away.
It's like standing on a train track and watching the train coming at you in slow motion..... but, I need something to read... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2014-11-20 2:16 PM For those people that say he is obsessed because of him posting her testimony, this is now in court records and is available to the public. DG, if you take #3, because it now becomes clear a civil suit cannot be tied to this, you will be wide open to anything she wants to sue you for with no way out. It has been said here by women about a woman that THIS woman will never admit she is wrong and that she has lied. Take this to heart. This is a truism about women. If you have the option to choose the judge over a jury, with the easily proven lies you have posted, take the judge. Even if you you get a woman judge she will be trained in the law and will not be able to ignore a pathological liar... Good luck sir.
Now....after reading the last couple of pages I agree with you. Since the blocking of the "civil" case can not be tied to #3, no way on "God's green earth" would I agree to the "divsersion". I also agree from reading more posts from DG.....no way in H*LL would I ever take this case to a jury......
Regarding her lies .....so WHAT? They are trivial lies and EVEN IF he had some kind of "relationship" with this woman, she apparently doesn't WANT it or him....I would like to get HER side of the story and EXACTLY what she is accusing him of doing.....I will make a bet that there is more to this story than what we are reading...... |
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2014-11-20 4:28 PM
komet. - 2014-11-20 2:16 PM For those people that say he is obsessed because of him posting her testimony, this is now in court records and is available to the public. DG, if you take #3, because it now becomes clear a civil suit cannot be tied to this, you will be wide open to anything she wants to sue you for with no way out. It has been said here by women about a woman that THIS woman will never admit she is wrong and that she has lied. Take this to heart. This is a truism about women. If you have the option to choose the judge over a jury, with the easily proven lies you have posted, take the judge. Even if you you get a woman judge she will be trained in the law and will not be able to ignore a pathological liar... Good luck sir.
Now....after reading the last couple of pages I agree with you. Since the blocking of the "civil" case can not be tied to #3, no way on "God's green earth" would I agree to the "divsersion". I also agree from reading more posts from DG.....no way in H*LL would I ever take this case to a jury......
Regarding her lies .....so WHAT? They are trivial lies and EVEN IF he had some kind of "relationship" with this woman, she apparently doesn't WANT it or him....I would like to get HER side of the story and EXACTLY what she is accusing him of doing.....I will make a bet that there is more to this story than what we are reading......
I'm sure there is more to the story.... But there is nothing trivial about perjury in a criminal case... ever.. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2014-11-20 4:58 PM NJJ - 2014-11-20 4:28 PM komet. - 2014-11-20 2:16 PM For those people that say he is obsessed because of him posting her testimony, this is now in court records and is available to the public. DG, if you take #3, because it now becomes clear a civil suit cannot be tied to this, you will be wide open to anything she wants to sue you for with no way out. It has been said here by women about a woman that THIS woman will never admit she is wrong and that she has lied. Take this to heart. This is a truism about women. If you have the option to choose the judge over a jury, with the easily proven lies you have posted, take the judge. Even if you you get a woman judge she will be trained in the law and will not be able to ignore a pathological liar... Good luck sir. Now....after reading the last couple of pages I agree with you. Since the blocking of the "civil" case can not be tied to #3, no way on "God's green earth" would I agree to the "divsersion". I also agree from reading more posts from DG.....no way in H*LL would I ever take this case to a jury......
Regarding her lies .....so WHAT? They are trivial lies and EVEN IF he had some kind of "relationship" with this woman, she apparently doesn't WANT it or him....I would like to get HER side of the story and EXACTLY what she is accusing him of doing.....I will make a bet that there is more to this story than what we are reading...... I'm sure there is more to the story.... But there is nothing trivial about perjury in a criminal case... ever..
The point is that there must have been a tipping point wheras this woman wanted nothing more to do with him (relationship or not)......and he didn't comply? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2014-11-20 5:24 PM
komet. - 2014-11-20 4:58 PM NJJ - 2014-11-20 4:28 PM komet. - 2014-11-20 2:16 PM For those people that say he is obsessed because of him posting her testimony, this is now in court records and is available to the public. DG, if you take #3, because it now becomes clear a civil suit cannot be tied to this, you will be wide open to anything she wants to sue you for with no way out. It has been said here by women about a woman that THIS woman will never admit she is wrong and that she has lied. Take this to heart. This is a truism about women. If you have the option to choose the judge over a jury, with the easily proven lies you have posted, take the judge. Even if you you get a woman judge she will be trained in the law and will not be able to ignore a pathological liar... Good luck sir. Now....after reading the last couple of pages I agree with you. Since the blocking of the "civil" case can not be tied to #3, no way on "God's green earth" would I agree to the "divsersion". I also agree from reading more posts from DG.....no way in H*LL would I ever take this case to a jury......
Regarding her lies .....so WHAT? They are trivial lies and EVEN IF he had some kind of "relationship" with this woman, she apparently doesn't WANT it or him....I would like to get HER side of the story and EXACTLY what she is accusing him of doing.....I will make a bet that there is more to this story than what we are reading...... I'm sure there is more to the story.... But there is nothing trivial about perjury in a criminal case... ever..
..and my point is, if this is true, why does she go into court with a dozen lies that she must know are easily proven to be lies? If they catch her in enough lies then EVERYTHING else she says is suspect.. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2014-11-20 5:31 PM NJJ - 2014-11-20 5:24 PM komet. - 2014-11-20 4:58 PM NJJ - 2014-11-20 4:28 PM komet. - 2014-11-20 2:16 PM For those people that say he is obsessed because of him posting her testimony, this is now in court records and is available to the public. DG, if you take #3, because it now becomes clear a civil suit cannot be tied to this, you will be wide open to anything she wants to sue you for with no way out. It has been said here by women about a woman that THIS woman will never admit she is wrong and that she has lied. Take this to heart. This is a truism about women. If you have the option to choose the judge over a jury, with the easily proven lies you have posted, take the judge. Even if you you get a woman judge she will be trained in the law and will not be able to ignore a pathological liar... Good luck sir. Now....after reading the last couple of pages I agree with you. Since the blocking of the "civil" case can not be tied to #3, no way on "God's green earth" would I agree to the "divsersion". I also agree from reading more posts from DG.....no way in H*LL would I ever take this case to a jury......
Regarding her lies .....so WHAT? They are trivial lies and EVEN IF he had some kind of "relationship" with this woman, she apparently doesn't WANT it or him....I would like to get HER side of the story and EXACTLY what she is accusing him of doing.....I will make a bet that there is more to this story than what we are reading...... I'm sure there is more to the story.... But there is nothing trivial about perjury in a criminal case... ever.. ..and my point is, if this is true, why does she go into court with a dozen lies that she must know are easily proven to be lies? If they catch her in enough lies then EVERYTHING else she says is suspect..
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| NJJ - 2014-11-20 5:24 PM komet. - 2014-11-20 4:58 PM NJJ - 2014-11-20 4:28 PM komet. - 2014-11-20 2:16 PM For those people that say he is obsessed because of him posting her testimony, this is now in court records and is available to the public. DG, if you take #3, because it now becomes clear a civil suit cannot be tied to this, you will be wide open to anything she wants to sue you for with no way out. It has been said here by women about a woman that THIS woman will never admit she is wrong and that she has lied. Take this to heart. This is a truism about women. If you have the option to choose the judge over a jury, with the easily proven lies you have posted, take the judge. Even if you you get a woman judge she will be trained in the law and will not be able to ignore a pathological liar... Good luck sir. Now....after reading the last couple of pages I agree with you. Since the blocking of the "civil" case can not be tied to #3, no way on "God's green earth" would I agree to the "divsersion". I also agree from reading more posts from DG.....no way in H*LL would I ever take this case to a jury......
Regarding her lies .....so WHAT? They are trivial lies and EVEN IF he had some kind of "relationship" with this woman, she apparently doesn't WANT it or him....I would like to get HER side of the story and EXACTLY what she is accusing him of doing.....I will make a bet that there is more to this story than what we are reading...... I'm sure there is more to the story.... But there is nothing trivial about perjury in a criminal case... ever..
I agree, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle and Douglas has demonstrated he fails to see how he can come across and how what he thinks is evidence of them having a mututal relationship does not look like that to some of us. She may have strung him along, used him but at some point he had to see she did not feel the same about him, she has a fiance that according to Doug, she was lying to about her relationship with Doug. Stalking aside, good grief, she had a boyfriend/fiance and he thinks this is a healthy relationship to be in and is going to turn out good???? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2014-11-20 5:38 PM
komet. - 2014-11-20 5:31 PM NJJ - 2014-11-20 5:24 PM komet. - 2014-11-20 4:58 PM NJJ - 2014-11-20 4:28 PM komet. - 2014-11-20 2:16 PM For those people that say he is obsessed because of him posting her testimony, this is now in court records and is available to the public. DG, if you take #3, because it now becomes clear a civil suit cannot be tied to this, you will be wide open to anything she wants to sue you for with no way out. It has been said here by women about a woman that THIS woman will never admit she is wrong and that she has lied. Take this to heart. This is a truism about women. If you have the option to choose the judge over a jury, with the easily proven lies you have posted, take the judge. Even if you you get a woman judge she will be trained in the law and will not be able to ignore a pathological liar... Good luck sir. Now....after reading the last couple of pages I agree with you. Since the blocking of the "civil" case can not be tied to #3, no way on "God's green earth" would I agree to the "divsersion". I also agree from reading more posts from DG.....no way in H*LL would I ever take this case to a jury......
Regarding her lies .....so WHAT? They are trivial lies and EVEN IF he had some kind of "relationship" with this woman, she apparently doesn't WANT it or him....I would like to get HER side of the story and EXACTLY what she is accusing him of doing.....I will make a bet that there is more to this story than what we are reading...... I'm sure there is more to the story.... But there is nothing trivial about perjury in a criminal case... ever.. ..and my point is, if this is true, why does she go into court with a dozen lies that she must know are easily proven to be lies? If they catch her in enough lies then EVERYTHING else she says is suspect..
LOL!!! Well... I never considered DJG to be moronically stupid, which he would have to be to post lies like that here where she can get at them. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I don't post lies. A man would be a Freakin moron to lie on this website. I know what it is like to get chewed up and spit out by the ladies on here. As for her lies, Like what is posted on here a woman will never admit her lies. Basically. It will all shake down in court. I don't trust court because I feel it is not about true but who plays the game the best. Or who ever lies the best in court. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bibliafarm - 2014-11-20 6:19 PM posting any of this on a public forum is moronically stupid
^^^^ THIS.........the woman could very well print off this thread to show how "obsessed" he is with her, her lies, her life, etc etc etc.......JMO |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 6:18 PM I don't post lies. A man would be a Freakin moron to lie on this website. I know what it is like to get chewed up and spit out by the ladies on here. As for her lies, Like what is posted on here a woman will never admit her lies. Basically. It will all shake down in court. I don't trust court because I feel it is not about true but who plays the game the best. Or who ever lies the best in court.
See Doug, saying "no woman will admit her lies" is insulting and condescending- you just lost your case if you make statements like this in court, heck this thread may end up in the court record. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | yes that is how people take thing out of context. I was just repeating what someone else posted. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 6:35 PM yes that is how people take thing out of context. I was just repeating what someone else posted.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | I think it's great that so many on here are willing to say what they think. Such a nice, comfortable, safe place to do so. (Not!)
There IS a law against stalking...there is NOT a law against feeling. Or expressing yourself.
Is there? We are pretty close to having laws against thinking...hmmmm....
I would certainly hope that our courts will take into consideration the fact that nobody has been physically hurt...no threat has been made to that extent that I can see. It's simply about lies. Who is telling the truth about a 'relationship'? And who cares?
If I were you, Doug, I'd be rolling my eyes at this entire mess. And...if I felt that I was innocent of the charges I would fight the good fight. Never 'give'...never plea bargain. Don't 'plead' (beg) either. Not here & not in court.
Do not profess your 'love' for this woman...nor your hatred.
I honestly do not think you're guilty of anything sinister. THAT should be the question, not how you present yourself to a jury...YET...that is the game. Play it well if you must.
I am a woman...and I, for one, think the whole world is quite bizarre!
I can't even imagine how these sorts of things get into court...what kind of judge hears it?
Silly...and dangerous.
You've had some good advice on here from more average thinking ladies than I am ...take it. (I don't mean that in a condescending way! I'm simply admitting that I'm far from normal!!! Lmao...) |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | musikmaker - 2014-11-20 8:47 PM I think it's great that so many on here are willing to say what they think. Such a nice, comfortable, safe place to do so. (Not!)
Hmmmmm..........he ASKED for opinions and that is EXACTLY what he got........why is that such a problem for you?????
edited to add: Just because there has been no physical harm does not mean that a person would not be guilty of stalking under the Utah law.........
(2) A person is guilty of stalking who intentionally or knowingly engages in a course of conduct directed at a specific person and knows or should know that the course of conduct would cause a reasonable person:
(a) to fear for the person's own safety or the safety of a third person; or
(b) to suffer other emotional distress.
(3) A person is guilty of stalking who intentionally or knowingly violates:
(a) a stalking injunction issued pursuant to Title 77, Chapter 3a, Stalking Injunctions; or
(b) a permanent criminal stalking injunction issued pursuant to this section.
(4) In any prosecution under this section, it is not a defense that the actor:
(a) was not given actual notice that the course of conduct was unwanted; or
(b) did not intend to cause the victim fear or other emotional distress.
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Location: ND | DG....for $550/hr, i will provide you and your lawyer with some bluntly honest therapy........... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 10:54 AM
DG....for $550/hr, i will provide you and your lawyer with some bluntly honest therapy...........
I'll do it for $250/hour. |
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Location: ND | LRQHS - 2014-11-21 10:58 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 10:54 AM DG....for $550/hr, i will provide you and your lawyer with some bluntly honest therapy........... I'll do it for $250/hour.
i ama professional.....thank you very much...and will not bargain my rates..... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:09 AM
LRQHS - 2014-11-21 10:58 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 10:54 AM DG....for $550/hr, i will provide you and your lawyer with some bluntly honest therapy........... I'll do it for $250/hour.
A professional what??? |
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Location: ND | a professional DG therapist.....
however, i can not help him with any needs for a sexual therapist....
i may be able to give him a referral for that, though....
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Location: ND | I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr......
(i'm giving DG a break on my rate because i'm sympathetic to his plight)
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM
I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr......
I will do it for $1000. |
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Location: ND | LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000.
i will not be draw in by your constant undercutting........you get what you pay for i've always been told.... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM
LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000.
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| LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:30 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000. And, sometimes, you pay to much for crap! I'm offering a quality product at a reasonable price.
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Location: ND | LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:30 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000. And, sometimes, you pay to much for crap! I'm offering a quality product at a reasonable price.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:30 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000. And, sometimes, you pay to much for crap! I'm offering a quality product at a reasonable price.
So is that what I get from your bickering….Alphabet man is offering a “professional” analysis of treating a stalker and LRQHS is offering a “personal” perspective of being a stalker….
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Location: ND | NJJ - 2014-11-21 11:38 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:30 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000. And, sometimes, you pay to much for crap! I'm offering a quality product at a reasonable price.
that is brilliant NJJ.....LRQHS and I will offer our sevices together for the bargain rate of $2500/hr for the holistic handling of this issue.....either for DG or prosecution....or both as I'm sure we could handle this in a manner that did not lead to a conflict of interest...... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:41 AM
NJJ - 2014-11-21 11:38 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:30 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000. And, sometimes, you pay to much for crap! I'm offering a quality product at a reasonable price.
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| LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:42 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:41 AM NJJ - 2014-11-21 11:38 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:30 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000. And, sometimes, you pay to much for crap! I'm offering a quality product at a reasonable price. I'm in.
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Location: ND | rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 11:47 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:42 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:41 AM NJJ - 2014-11-21 11:38 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:30 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000. And, sometimes, you pay to much for crap! I'm offering a quality product at a reasonable price. I'm in.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2014-11-21 8:31 AM musikmaker - 2014-11-20 8:47 PM I think it's great that so many on here are willing to say what they think. Such a nice, comfortable, safe place to do so. (Not!)
Hmmmmm..........he ASKED for opinions and that is EXACTLY what he got........why is that such a problem for you?????
edited to add: Just because there has been no physical harm does not mean that a person would not be guilty of stalking under the Utah law.........
(2 ) A person is guilty of stalking who intentionally or knowingly engages in a course of conduct directed at a specific person and knows or should know that the course of conduct would cause a reasonable person:
(a ) to fear for the person's own safety or the safety of a third person; or
(b ) to suffer other emotional distress.
(3 ) A person is guilty of stalking who intentionally or knowingly violates:
(a ) a stalking injunction issued pursuant to Title 77, Chapter 3a, Stalking Injunctions; or
(b ) a permanent criminal stalking injunction issued pursuant to this section.
(4 ) In any prosecution under this section, it is not a defense that the actor:
(a ) was not given actual notice that the course of conduct was unwanted; or
(b) did not intend to cause the victim fear or other emotional distress.
I think it's great that so many on here are willing to say what they think. Such a nice, comfortable, safe place to do so. (Not!)
There IS a law against stalking...there is NOT a law against feeling. Or expressing yourself.
Is there? We are pretty close to having laws against thinking...hmmmm....
I would certainly hope that our courts will take into consideration the fact that nobody has been physically hurt...no threat has been made to that extent that I can see. It's simply about lies. Who is telling the truth about a 'relationship'? And who cares?
If I were you, Doug, I'd be rolling my eyes at this entire mess. And...if I felt that I was innocent of the charges I would fight the good fight. Never 'give'...never plea bargain. Don't 'plead' (beg) either. Not here & not in court.
Do not profess your 'love' for this woman...nor your hatred.
I honestly do not think you're guilty of anything sinister. THAT should be the question, not how you present yourself to a jury...YET...that is the game. Play it well if you must.
I am a woman...and I, for one, think the whole world is quite bizarre!
I can't even imagine how these sorts of things get into court...what kind of judge hears it?
Silly...and dangerous.
You've had some good advice on here from more average thinking ladies than I am ...take it. (I don't mean that in a condescending way! I'm simply admitting that I'm far from normal!!! Lmao...)
My first response in this thread was to tell him to "shut the heck up"...this is NOT a 'safe' place to go into this...he asked & he received.
I don't have a problem with that.
I DO have a hard time accepting all the rules & regs that usually 'fine' us for what we might do rather than making the punishment fit the 'crime'. Thinking isn't a crime...feeling isn't a crime...yet, the majority on here have said that they would throw the book at him if they were on the jury because of how he 'presents' himself & how he 'feels'.
Do any of them think he's dangerous? Isn't that what brought about the stalking laws? It was to be a way of shining the light on a potential, violent, crime. At least that's what I thought.
THAT, I think, is what a jury should be considering...not how the guy dresses, combs his hair or expresses his emotions in writing.
It's so easy to destroy someone...
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2014-11-21 10:38 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:30 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000. And, sometimes, you pay to much for crap! I'm offering a quality product at a reasonable price.
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Location: Central Florida | This thread is defiantly an interesting read. All I can say is if I was facing charges I wouldn't be posting this all over the internet like others have already stated. |
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Location: Winging It in KY | Herbie - 2014-11-21 12:46 PM I hope this trial is webcast!!!!! I'd pay to watch.....
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Location: Mountains of Arizona | I would go with #3.
I have been involved in trials. There is no telling what a jury is going to see what will make them side with you or against you and it only takes one person to throw the whole case into a tail spin. Honestly, her lies are not going to be exposed. The prosecutor is going to play jack in the box and stop them from getting out. His job at a trial is to make his witness look as good as possible to the jury. This will not be a jury trial about the truth it will be a "play", an entertainment moment, put on by the prosecutor, your attorney, and witnesses for the jury. Jurors watch TV, and think that it should be cleared up in 1 hour. When its not they get lost and bored and don't care. Nobody wants to be on a jury. Nobody wants to waste their time for $12.00 a day.
We did a Aggravated Assault case, where the mom pulled a gun on her 13 year old daughter and her friend. We had witnesses, good witnesses, good case. The prosecutor had good jury instructions to give direction on how to handle the case. We had evidence that the moms attorney contacted the daughter and tried to get her to change her story. The jury found the mom not guilty. We asked a few of them afterwards why. A couple of them said "because we didn't like the way the daughter looked at us when we were going to lunch the other day."
If you have an option to avoid a jury trial, that in the end will cost you a little time and your record will be clean, I would go for it. Good Luck and I am sorry you are having to go through this.
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| I have no opinion as to his guilt or innocence. What the majority of us have referenced are his previous posts that were not following logic. I commented that his list submitted to the police in an effort to prove he had a relationship with her was strange and might do him more harm than good and they are now using this list against him. I understand wanting to clear your name. It is very plausible that this woman is doing all this to save face with her boyfriend but DJG is his worst enemy in all of this and does not need to go in front of a jury. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 11:08 AM I have no opinion as to his guilt or innocence. What the majority of us have referenced are his previous posts that were not following logic. I commented that his list submitted to the police in an effort to prove he had a relationship with her was strange and might do him more harm than good and they are now using this list against him. I understand wanting to clear your name. It is very plausible that this woman is doing all this to save face with her boyfriend but DJG is his worst enemy in all of this and does not need to go in front of a jury.
Yeah...anytime a person is facing charges they need to take to heart the "...anything you say can & WILL be held against you...". They are not kidding! The more you try to explain the worse it gets... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 12:08 PM
I have no opinion as to his guilt or innocence. What the majority of us have referenced are his previous posts that were not following logic. I commented that his list submitted to the police in an effort to prove he had a relationship with her was strange and might do him more harm than good and they are now using this list against him. I understand wanting to clear your name. It is very plausible that this woman is doing all this to save face with her boyfriend but DJG is his worst enemy in all of this and does not need to go in front of a jury.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | musikmaker - 2014-11-21 12:20 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 11:08 AM I have no opinion as to his guilt or innocence. What the majority of us have referenced are his previous posts that were not following logic. I commented that his list submitted to the police in an effort to prove he had a relationship with her was strange and might do him more harm than good and they are now using this list against him. I understand wanting to clear your name. It is very plausible that this woman is doing all this to save face with her boyfriend but DJG is his worst enemy in all of this and does not need to go in front of a jury. Yeah...anytime a person is facing charges they need to take to heart the "...anything you say can & WILL be held against you...". They are not kidding! The more you try to explain the worse it gets...
^^^^ THIS......and I think that is why he is getting some "negative" feedback.....surely his lawyer has told him to SHUT UP ! ! ! |
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| happyhorsehotel - 2014-11-21 12:04 PM I would go with #3. I have been involved in trials. There is no telling what a jury is going to see what will make them side with you or against you and it only takes one person to throw the whole case into a tail spin. Honestly, her lies are not going to be exposed. The prosecutor is going to play jack in the box and stop them from getting out. His job at a trial is to make his witness look as good as possible to the jury. This will not be a jury trial about the truth it will be a "play", an entertainment moment, put on by the prosecutor, your attorney, and witnesses for the jury. Jurors watch TV, and think that it should be cleared up in 1 hour. When its not they get lost and bored and don't care. Nobody wants to be on a jury. Nobody wants to waste their time for $12.00 a day. We did a Aggravated Assault case, where the mom pulled a gun on her 13 year old daughter and her friend. We had witnesses, good witnesses, good case. The prosecutor had good jury instructions to give direction on how to handle the case. We had evidence that the moms attorney contacted the daughter and tried to get her to change her story. The jury found the mom not guilty. We asked a few of them afterwards why. A couple of them said "because we didn't like the way the daughter looked at us when we were going to lunch the other day." If you have an option to avoid a jury trial, that in the end will cost you a little time and your record will be clean, I would go for it. Good Luck and I am sorry you are having to go through this.
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Location: Deep in the heart of Texas. | NJJ - 2014-11-21 12:30 PM
musikmaker - 2014-11-21 12:20 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 11:08 AM I have no opinion as to his guilt or innocence. What the majority of us have referenced are his previous posts that were not following logic. I commented that his list submitted to the police in an effort to prove he had a relationship with her was strange and might do him more harm than good and they are now using this list against him. I understand wanting to clear your name. It is very plausible that this woman is doing all this to save face with her boyfriend but DJG is his worst enemy in all of this and does not need to go in front of a jury. Yeah...anytime a person is facing charges they need to take to heart the "...anything you say can & WILL be held against you...". They are not kidding! The more you try to explain the worse it gets...
Or either he just doesn't care or isn't listening to his lawyer
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Location: ND | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 1:49 PM Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped!
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Location: Winging It in KY | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 2:49 PM Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped!
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 1:49 PM
Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Call her up and ask if you can take her to dinner, Douglas. Tell her you want to make amends. |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 1:49 PM
Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped!
Whoooooofreakinhoooooo!!!
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Location: SE Louisiana | LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:30 AM
dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM
LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000.
And, sometimes, you pay to much for crap! I'm offering a quality product at a reasonable price.
Well, I don't know about you two... But I've read everything by John Grisham..... Twice!! (and I've seen most of the movies) ...and I only charge $150/hour
Congrats DJG!!! I'll send you the bill.... and I'm prepared to sue for it.. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-21 1:13 PM Call her up and ask if you can take her to dinner, Douglas. Tell her you want to make amends.
Do what the good doctor says?
Very happy for you Doug...that must be a huge relief!
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-21 2:13 PM Call her up and ask if you can take her to dinner, Douglas. Tell her you want to make amends.
Yeah that sounds good! Didn't Lloyd in Dumb and Dumber make amends with Sea Bass and the guys buying them a round of beers?
Oh Damn, I have her number blocked on my phone so it could never be dialed by accident!
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 1:49 PM
Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped!
Congrats.
Now for a dumb question, does double jeopardy come into effect or can they charge you at a later date? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2014-11-21 8:02 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 1:49 PM
Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped!
Congrats.
Now for a dumb question, does double jeopardy come into effect or can they charge you at a later date?
There has been no trial.... the charges may be brought again.. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-22 9:21 PM Only if I violate the civil but my attorney is starting on the civil on monday.
Congrats. I would think this would help your civil case. Maybe they will drop that too after depositions.
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 3:44 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-11-21 2:13 PM Call her up and ask if you can take her to dinner, Douglas. Tell her you want to make amends.
Yeah that sounds good! Didn't Lloyd in Dumb and Dumber make amends with Sea Bass and the guys buying them a round of beers?
Oh Damn, I have her number blocked on my phone so it could never be dialed by accident!
How about deleting it.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | azsun - 2014-11-22 12:41 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 3:44 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-11-21 2:13 PM Call her up and ask if you can take her to dinner, Douglas. Tell her you want to make amends. Yeah that sounds good! Didn't Lloyd in Dumb and Dumber make amends with Sea Bass and the guys buying them a round of beers?
Oh Damn, I have her number blocked on my phone so it could never be dialed by accident!
How about deleting it.
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Location: RAINY FREEZING AnartiFlorida | I'm so lost. I haven't been on here much last couple years but wow. As someone who has been stalked it is terrifying. It all started because some guy friends at gym thought it would be cute to "set me up". They told guy how much I liked him and a lot of things that they shouldn't have. I didn't know guy. Didn't care to know him. He got mad when I ignored him when he came up to me like they told him to. Wrote notes left them on my truck. Called my house. They gave him number. He knew where I lived and all my personal info because of them. Instead of just blowing it off when base police found him from fingerprints, no he really came after me because I was lying about liking him. He thought he was innocent because I had to be lying. Well I wasnt. Finally a guy at gym who wasnt in on my setup decided to have upclose and personal talk with him. He finally stopped. Two years later he married a friend and I warned her. She got mad at me and didn't listen. Year later she called me wanting me to testify for her. She found out what he was really like and was stalking her. I said no. Doug I'm not saying you are guilty but as woman who was stalked leave her alone and move on. She will never change her mind about it. Even though you may think it's nothing it was obviously something to her.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | belles3838 - 2014-11-23 3:36 PM I'm so lost. I haven't been on here much last couple years but wow. As someone who has been stalked it is terrifying. It all started because some guy friends at gym thought it would be cute to "set me up". They told guy how much I liked him and a lot of things that they shouldn't have. I didn't know guy. Didn't care to know him. He got mad when I ignored him when he came up to me like they told him to. Wrote notes left them on my truck. Called my house. They gave him number. He knew where I lived and all my personal info because of them. Instead of just blowing it off when base police found him from fingerprints, no he really came after me because I was lying about liking him. He thought he was innocent because I had to be lying. Well I wasnt. Finally a guy at gym who wasnt in on my setup decided to have upclose and personal talk with him. He finally stopped. Two years later he married a friend and I warned her. She got mad at me and didn't listen. Year later she called me wanting me to testify for her. She found out what he was really like and was stalking her. I said no. Doug I'm not saying you are guilty but as woman who was stalked leave her alone and move on. She will never change her mind about it. Even though you may think it's nothing it was obviously something to her.
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