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Miss Not Exciting
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Location: Ft Worth TX | You knew of someones horses that were with a "trainer" that talks very big game that is very abusive, and barely feeds enough to keep them in ok condition (they have no topline, ribby, but not emaciated) and you had a way to contact the owner of the horses- would you get in the middle? The owner is at the opposite end of the country and the trainer might ride once a week if your lucky and is a drunk. These are high dollar horses the owner thinks are futurity bound and no where near ridding. Some of the things this trainer has done make me feel like they need contacted- trying not to put to much detail out. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Saying something rarely turns out good for you, even if you have the best intentions. If it's a friend and you see the horse out somewhere you could snap a picture or send a video of how the horse is working. |
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| I absolutely would get involved. For the animal's sake. Or, try and get some pictures or video to send. You might even be able to find a way to do it anonymously as well. |
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  The Original Cyber Bartender
Location: Washington | Take your concerns to the trainer.... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I would call them from a pay phone, muffle my voice and say, "go check on your horses today." |
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| That trainer probably gets more done in that one ride a week than most do in two weeks of riding. Are you consistently at the trainer's house to see what they feed?
There are a handful of guy futurity trainers that can be dog drunk and still put .3 tenths on the field! I remember I think at Jud Little's one time all the rodeo girls got mad and tried to have someone arrested because he was drunk in public and still cleaned house. WELLLL Jud's ain't public its private hahaha
Looking in sometimes things look a lot different than they really are.... |
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Location: Central Montana | If I was paying for a trainer to ride I'd be madder than h$ll if they were not getting the time I paid for and found out too late, after my $$$ was long gone. I've gotten to the point where I want it in a contract how many days my horse will be ridden in a 30 day period.
I guess it depends on if you know the owners or not on what to do. Take some photos and send them to them.......
I like LRQHS's idea too 
Edited by GoinJettin 2014-11-20 9:19 PM
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Location: The South | LRQHS - 2014-11-20 11:50 AM I would call them from a pay phone, muffle my voice and say, "go check on your horses today."
Do pay phones still exist?!?
Just think, the poor kids growing up in the future will never know the thrill of prank calling someone from a parking lot. *tear*
To the OP, unless it was my best best friend, I'd stay out of it. |
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Location: Georgia | astreakinchic - 2014-11-20 12:54 PM That trainer probably gets more done in that one ride a week than most do in two weeks of riding. Are you consistently at the trainer's house to see what they feed? There are a handful of guy futurity trainers that can be dog drunk and still put .3 tenths on the field! I remember I think at Jud Little's one time all the rodeo girls got mad and tried to have someone arrested because he was drunk in public and still cleaned house. WELLLL Jud's ain't public its private hahaha Looking in sometimes things look a lot different than they really are....
Im sorry what? Are you really defending a drunk who takes people's hard earned money? AND one that doesnt take proper care of other people's animals? I dont care what they can get "done" in one ride. If I am paying for my horse to be trained, that person better be on that horse every dang day possible. And a "trainer" better not ever be drunk and on my horse's back. That is inexcusable. To the OP, I would absolutely say something. If it was my horses, I would want to know. |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California |
Is the owner a good friend or someone you know casually? Are the horses in immediate danger of serious injury or harm? Can you prove with 100% absolute certainty your allegations? |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Same something. Silence is not golden. Stand for something.jmo |
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| Runninbay - 2014-11-21 12:14 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-11-20 12:54 PM That trainer probably gets more done in that one ride a week than most do in two weeks of riding. Are you consistently at the trainer's house to see what they feed? There are a handful of guy futurity trainers that can be dog drunk and still put .3 tenths on the field! I remember I think at Jud Little's one time all the rodeo girls got mad and tried to have someone arrested because he was drunk in public and still cleaned house. WELLLL Jud's ain't public its private hahaha Looking in sometimes things look a lot different than they really are....
Im sorry what? Are you really defending a drunk who takes people's hard earned money? AND one that doesnt take proper care of other people's animals? I dont care what they can get "done" in one ride. If I am paying for my horse to be trained, that person better be on that horse every dang day possible. And a "trainer" better not ever be drunk and on my horse's back. That is inexcusable. To the OP, I would absolutely say something. If it was my horses, I would want to know.
Sigh...
Okay what I'm saying is that this trainer probably was seen with a beer. The horses probably look a little ribby for a number of reasons. People usually do not feed one up before sending to a trainer and then the stress of changing home and work ethic usually has them dropping the pounds at first until they get adjusted. Unless this lady works for the trainer and knows what he feeds, how often he rides, and exactly what happens on a daily basis she really does not have a clear picture. She is probably just seeing this person at a races or when hauling to an indoor and probably does not have an accurate picture of what is going on.
I don't know any successful futurity trainer that keeps them in the barn when they aren't going to turn out. Most want to move them down the road if they are gonna take time to come around. Their time is money and they don't won't to put time into ones they don't think are going to win and start win quick. They send them home rather than have the hassle of putting up with them. |
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Location: Central Texas | If I was fairly certain then I would absolutely have no problem letting the owners know of the possibility then they can do whatever they want with the information. If I was the owner I would want someone to tell me then I could follow up and make my own decision. I can't even imagine that someone thinks it's ok not to say something if there is a chance an animal is being abused or neglected and saying it is ok to take someone's money and not do the job you are getting paid for is theft in my books. I certainly understand most trainers are great and do their job but if there is one that isn't then they need to be called out on it. As for the drinking, that's a person's own business but if you're suppose to be riding/training a horse your being paid to ride and train, then drink on your own time, not on my horse's back. Saying that's ok is just crazy! If you don't want to tell them face to face, then make the anonymous phone call. I commend you for caring enough to even check it out. |
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| Lots of bad things continue to happen because "good" people don't want to get involved. I'm not saying this case necessarily but just the whole mind set of " keep quiet it's none of your business" seems like a cop out to me by people who'd rather protect themselves from drama or inconvenience or whatever it may cause them to get involved than to help a person or animal.
I say if what you've seen bothers you, say something...then you'll feel like you at least did your part and you'll sleep better at night. |
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| I would step in and say something. I'd have proof with pictures and video. I'd only state the facts that I knew. I would not make an speculations. The owner needs to investigate and decide what is best for the horse. You are the voice for the horse. I agree that you need to be 100% sure of the information that you are going to the owner with. -- No matter how flat a pancake is, there's always two sides! The same is true in any situation. There's always two sides to the story. |
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| If it was my horse I would like to know, then I would go investigate myself.
If I found out the accusation was false or unsupported, I am still glad the individual contacted me. |
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Location: Never in one place long | I would say something, would you want your friend to say something if you were in her shoes? I'd think yes. You can do it annonymously or tell her politely but don't spread rumors to those not involved. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I would just let them know they might want to check in with their horses. Maybe get someone to drop in for them, ask for some videos. Anything beyond that will probably come back on you in an unpleasant way.
And I'm kinda shocked that riding once every week or 2 and being drunk at a competition is totally fine for some people. Unless that was part of the agreement (I know a lot of the bigger trainers have helpers that do most of the riding, but owners should KNOW this), it should not be happening. |
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Location: Kansas | astreakinchic - 2014-11-20 11:54 AM That trainer probably gets more done in that one ride a week than most do in two weeks of riding. Are you consistently at the trainer's house to see what they feed? There are a handful of guy futurity trainers that can be dog drunk and still put .3 tenths on the field! I remember I think at Jud Little's one time all the rodeo girls got mad and tried to have someone arrested because he was drunk in public and still cleaned house. WELLLL Jud's ain't public its private hahaha Looking in sometimes things look a lot different than they really are....
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They Don't Know Me
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Location: Bastrop, TX | Wish someone would have told me things that were going on then I would not had to spend 6 years and thousands of dollars trying to get mine sound again to end up putting him to sleep as a 9 yr old. |
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Miss Not Exciting
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Location: Ft Worth TX | The horses are ribby b/c they arent fed enough by any means- they sit in a stall 90% of the time if not more. This was over a 2 week period and was drinking every last moments and IS abusive in his training. I know theres a fine line and he crossed it. One horse took nearly a month to heal.... I was first hand eye witness. I know the owner but am not her BFF by any means. |
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| cow pie - 2014-11-21 7:51 AM Same something. Silence is not golden. Stand for something.jmo 
edited to add I would be beyond mad if my horses were in a situation like this and there was an opportunity for me to be told but the messenger chose to be silent. I know the owner is responsible for doing their due dilligence in choosing a trainer but you don't let animals get abused because of other's poor choices.
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Location: Florida.. | If you saw it and not from others mouths.. id ceratinly tell owner you have "concerns".. Id not tell others..keep it a private professional situation.. but yes id voice my concerns if you saw witnessed and know it for facts. |
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Miss Not Exciting
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Location: Ft Worth TX | Bibliafarm - 2014-11-21 5:38 PM
If you saw it and not from others mouths.. id ceratinly tell owner you have "concerns".. Id not tell others..keep it a private professional situation.. but yes id voice my concerns if you saw witnessed and know it for facts.
I was thinking of just dropping her a text saying "you really need to check on your horses with *********" |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | I would call her..voice your concerns..keep it to the point ..no overly dramatic stuff.. what you wintnessed and tell her she should just make sure it isnt what it appears.. because youd be concerned....... good luck |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | LindsayJordan84 - 2014-11-21 12:05 AM
LRQHS - 2014-11-20 11:50 AM I would call them from a pay phone, muffle my voice and say, "go check on your horses today."
Do pay phones still exist?!?
Just think, the poor kids growing up in the future will never know the thrill of prank calling someone from a parking lot. *tear*
To the OP, unless it was my best best friend, I'd stay out of it.
there is an app you can put on your phone to make it look like you are calling from another #, and an app to change your voice. Not that i have used it or anything  |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | if I got a call from that type thing It would appear someone just has it in for the trainer.. id call personally |
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 Always Off Topic
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Location: ND | so exactly how do you know all this and what is the outcome you are hoping for??? |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 7:32 PM
so exactly how do you know all this and what is the outcome you are hoping for???
She said she witnessed it, I assume she hopes the owner will investigate. |
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Miss Not Exciting
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Location: Ft Worth TX | rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 6:48 PM
dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 7:32 PM
so exactly how do you know all this and what is the outcome you are hoping for???
She said she witnessed it, I assume she hopes the owner will investigate.
All I am hoping for is te owner to look a little deeper. I could care less what happens but it is weighing heavy on my mind that I need to at least make her aware. |
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Always Off Topic
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Location: ND | Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-11-21 8:53 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 6:48 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 7:32 PM so exactly how do you know all this and what is the outcome you are hoping for??? She said she witnessed it, I assume she hopes the owner will investigate. All I am hoping for is te owner to look a little deeper. I could care less what happens but it is weighing heavy on my mind that I need to at least make her aware.
so do you work there,????have a horse in training there ???? live there???? |
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| I sent my DFP colt to someone most of us know or have heard of in April this year. He got dropped off at my barrel trainer July 1. Barrel trainer called and says, "this horse doesn't know anything, and is scared of being handled." Didn't tell me you could see every rib, and that he looked like cr*p. Called first trainer and spoke to him and he said second trainer must be doing something wrong. That convo didn't feel right, so I headed down to see the horse. When I found Peon in his stall, head down, looked like he'd been dragged thru the desert, scruffy coat, pot belly, -0- topline, every rib visible, sharp points on hip and butt, I about cried. But at least I knew which trainer was bs-ing.
I didn't call out the first trainer for almost two months. Finally did when he blocked me on fb and phone. I never called him out here on BHW, but now I wonder if I should. At NBHA World, one of my bestest friends talked to him about Peon and he said he didn't need any excuses, that the horse looked like any 3yo would when being worked. My friend, who saw Peon the day after he arrived at the barrel trainers, gave him a few choice words, but the first trainer just blew her off.
I was in such shock, and so hurt, the first visit with Peon that I didn't get pics. My friend got pics of him on 7/11/14 (he got dropped off on 7/1/14, so he'd had good food for 10 days in the first pics). He looked much worse on 7/5/14, the first time I saw him. The second pic is him the first weekend in October 2014, here at home for the winter.
I lost futurity potential for this colt. He is the last crop of DFP, out of a very good money winning 97 si mare. MUCH potential was lost from what this first trainer did (didn't) do with the colt. Peon was SCARED of people for the first month at the barrel trainers. This horse is a total PET. He love, love, loves people.
If someone would have told me that my horse was sitting in a stall, not being fed, and somehow being abused mentally, I'd've had a transporter there asap to haul him either home or to the barrel trainers.
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Location: Texas | If it were my horse I would want to know! If it were me seeing someone else's horse in this situation I would contact the owner! |
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