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| Is First Down Dash still a popular stud to breed to? Would you breed to a grandson crossed with a reining mare?
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Location: Where I am happiest | Does he have a recognizable name? A son of a son isnt much to write home about. Especially when their are still sons available for very reasonable. No matter what, or what your plans are you still have to keep marketability in mind because you never know when or if you will have to sell. Now if the horse in mind went out there and really cleaned house, then I would consider it more. |
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Location: Kansas | ThreeCorners - 2014-11-21 7:40 AM Does he have a recognizable name? A son of a son isnt much to write home about. Especially when their are still sons available for very reasonable. No matter what, or what your plans are you still have to keep marketability in mind because you never know when or if you will have to sell. Now if the horse in mind went out there and really cleaned house, then I would consider it more.
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| I changed the title because I got the pedigree for the stud. Would you breed to him based on papers? He's just started and hasn't been hauled or proven.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/oughtta+be+one
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Location: ND | Well, I guess since most of my foals to date are by unproven stallions I guess I would. My breeding decisions aren't based off of pedigree alone, or what a horse has done in the arena. The most important things for me are conformation and temperment. I want a descent pedigree but they don't have to be own sons of a top stallion for me to notice them. If I like the horses conformation, movement & temperment and feel he's a good cross on my mare I have no issue with him being unproven. BUT I'm also not breeding for resale, I'm breeding to raise horses that I want to ride. And I'm also not breeding specifically for the barrel racing arena. My goal is more of an all around horse that will be able to work on the ranch as well as in the arena, in my case in mounted shooting. |
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| I am breeding to 2 "unproven" studs in 2015. 1 is a son of DTF and a grandson of FG. He is only 2yo so he is not proven due to not being shown yet. He will be hauled in 2015 and at least have a show record when my foal is born. The other stallion is a very good looking, very well tempered OTMR grandson that also has Fire Water Flit, Colonel Freckles and Master Hand on his papers. He is not proven due to the fact that he is also young and has not been shown, he will be 5 in 2015 and will be shown in 2015 so will also at least have a show record when my foal is born. I also got both stallion fees for a bargain because they are unproven. That helps my decision lol
The DTF stallion is the only stallion I have ever considered solely on pedigree and conformation. Generally, I am HUGE on temperament. I take lots of pride in my horses dispositions along with conformation and pedigree. I am looking at resale though too. I will have 3 foals on the ground and do not want to keep more than 2. Hopefully just 1 honestly lol. |
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The Advice Guru
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| I wouldn't pay to breed to the stud FDD is 3 generations back too far for me. And I don't notice anything closer that I like.
There are so many great proven stallions out there that are reasonably priced.
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | Definitely not. Any of the good "known" horses are too far back, by the time you get a baby on the ground none of those names will be on his papers.
If you're keeping marketability in mind this foal wouldnt be worth much. |
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Location: In a happy place | SaraJean - 2014-12-14 9:51 AM Well, I guess since most of my foals to date are by unproven stallions I guess I would. My breeding decisions aren't based off of pedigree alone, or what a horse has done in the arena. The most important things for me are conformation and temperment. I want a descent pedigree but they don't have to be own sons of a top stallion for me to notice them. If I like the horses conformation, movement & temperment and feel he's a good cross on my mare I have no issue with him being unproven. BUT I'm also not breeding for resale, I'm breeding to raise horses that I want to ride. And I'm also not breeding specifically for the barrel racing arena. My goal is more of an all around horse that will be able to work on the ranch as well as in the arena, in my case in mounted shooting.
I totally agree with Sara Jean. If you like the stud I would breed to him. Now if it is imperative you sell it later you might have some trouble selling. I have just never let that influence me. I figure if it has made a nice horse it will sell. |
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Who Wants to Trade?
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| Not even if he was free. That pedigree does nothing for me. To each their own though. |
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Location: North Dakota | Eh well I guess it depends. If you're breeding to sell or for yourself. My good horse is a Dash for Cash grandson and was cheap cheap. If you REALLY like the stud and plan on keeping the baby at least for a while then it's up to you. |
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Location: Kansas | I will say this.....there is a stallion out there who is a GS of firewater flit......out of a no name mare. He's a golden palomino....and apparently mare owners are breeding to him like crazy. I guess it would just depend on the mare owner and if she wants to take the chance and breed |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | kuhlmann - 2014-12-14 2:24 PM Not even if he was free. That pedigree does nothing for me. To each their own though.
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Location: Kentucky | LRQHS - 2014-12-15 9:10 AM kuhlmann - 2014-12-14 2:24 PM Not even if he was free. That pedigree does nothing for me. To each their own though. Agree.
Yep.
FDD is still very popular, but there are nicer studs, and more proven studs, with FDD much closer. |
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Location: The edge of no where | No - FDD is waaayyyy back there.
Unless he's proven on his own, these papers dont' do it for me.
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| No. I *might* breed to a stallion without his own performance record or winning foals on the ground IF he had an impeccable set of papers and desirable qualities himself (ala Nickster or similar) but those papers alone aren't it.
Or I might try a stud who has a performance record, all the qualities I want, and a killer pedigree without foals of performing age on the ground yet (ala Howelling Corona).
But this stud doesn't really seem to have proven parents OR proven babies OR a performance record. So no. |
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Location: Texas | Given that he is a great grandson and has no record, I would pass.
Maybe if the stud fee is free, you'll keep the baby, and there is a huge emotional/sentimental value you have to the stud and mare. Otherwise, he shouldn't be offered as a stud at this time, IMO. |
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Location: Florida.. | aggiejudger - 2014-12-15 11:25 AM Given that he is a great grandson and has no record, I would pass.
Maybe if the stud fee is free, you'll keep the baby, and there is a huge emotional/sentimental value you have to the stud and mare. Otherwise, he shouldn't be offered as a stud at this time, IMO.
agree.. they should wait to see what he can accomplish.. people saying a bloodline thats not closer and thinking they have "something" at 2 yrs old seems silly to me.. at 2 they have No clue what he can do or how he will hold up or his mentality when training.. train , get going then see if hes stud material.. IMHO |
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Location: Texas | Nope, doesn't do it for me. |
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Location: MD | No. Too many good horses out there that are proven at reasonable prices. |
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| No, I never breed to unproven studs. |
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Location: Oklahoma |
He's not out of a reining mare, in fact, I like the bottom side of his pedigree better than the top side. I guess for me (if I had a mare) it would depend on what he looked like and how I thought he would cross with my mare. He is a great grandson of FDD, not a grandson, so with FDD in the 4th generation that really doesn't count for much. I think this horse would need to show something himself, or have a pretty nice colt come out of his first colt crop for people to look at him much. |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | I don't want to put the stud down, I have never seen him. IF his confirmation was excellent, and he offerred somethying to a mare I believed would cross on his confirmation AND the price was FREE or almost free, maybe. But it would not be based on the blood lines, it would be based on temperment and confiramtion. Dash for Cash and First Down Dash are amazing, but they are so far back. . . |
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| If confirmation and attitude are nice then I'd consider it.. After all how do these horses become well-known!? To start a new 'it' line this is what happens... It would also depend on the mare I was crossing him with. |
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Location: Northern California | If we were all the same, this world would be so boring!! It really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, if you like him. That said, there sure are a lot of stallions that would make really nice geldings!! ![]()
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | The mare's side may have been a reiner, but this horse is almost 100% good race breeding. I think he merits more research. Is his sire AAA? Is his dam an open reining money/AQHA point earner? Is his conformation and disposition excellent? There are worse bred stallions being stood to the public that have done a lot in the pen. Just sayin' take a closer look. Just don't expect high marketability because of the responses you received.  |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | If I like the stud, and he's confirmationally correct... heck yea... I could care less they are latest and greatest names...
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | It's not unreasonable to think this horse might be very nice. He's got a lot of AAA horses right up close and a solid pedigree. I'd be more inclined to give him a chance than just write him off.
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Location: Alberta | I did bred to an unproven stud 4 years ago...he now is a rodeo winning, 1D horse, a son of Firewater Flit & out of a proven producing Packin Sixes mare.....
As for the pedigree posted, based on paper too far back on most names for me.
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Location: Kansas | What about horses like "fuel on deck" or firen hard......grandsons of big names.....who are booking mares.....I guess it depends on the mare owner |
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