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Location: Kansas | What would be your take on a stallion that is a grandson of peptoboonsmal (sire is full brother to peptos stylish oak), out of a running bred mare with Corona Cartel, Dash for Cash, Special effort....etc. on papers....to remain a stud? Red roan in color, of course remains stallion if proven in the pen.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | We need outcrosses. They cant all be DTF, FF, and FG. That being said, if you want people to breed to him he's REALLY going to have to prove himself and then later prove himself as a sire. You're definitely going to want to get him in with the right mares and then in with the right trainers, maybe even taking a loss for a few years to get some of the babies established right. Then, when he's 10 or so, he maybe the new hot thing. Great sires often emerge unexpectedly from someone willing to make the right sacrifices. Better keep your day job though. |
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Location: ND | Everybody likes something different. If he's your horse & YOU like him give him a chance. I've got a 2 year old stud colt in my barn....I don't even bother posting about him here because everybody would say to geld him since he isn't by popular barrel racing lines. But I know what he is & I've rode enough horses by his sire that he's worth giving a chance to me. I could care less if he ever breeds a mare outside of my own though. |
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Location: Oklahoma | SaraJean - 2014-11-25 10:19 AM Everybody likes something different. If he's your horse & YOU like him give him a chance. I've got a 2 year old stud colt in my barn....I don't even bother posting about him here because everybody would say to geld him since he isn't by popular barrel racing lines. But I know what he is & I've rode enough horses by his sire that he's worth giving a chance to me. I could care less if he ever breeds a mare outside of my own though.
I agree with Sara... I have my stud... and I won't geld him because I want to ride his colts. I've gotten a couple nice mares of my own to cross on him and the babies will be what I want to ride... if other people like my stud, great... if not, it doesn't hurt my feelings. |
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Location: Kansas | oija - 2014-11-25 10:18 AM
We need outcrosses. They cant all be DTF, FF, and FG. That being said, if you want people to breed to him he's REALLY going to have to prove himself and then later prove himself as a sire. You're definitely going to want to get him in with the right mares and then in with the right trainers, maybe even taking a loss for a few years to get some of the babies established right. Then, when he's 10 or so, he maybe the new hot thing. Great sires often emerge unexpectedly from someone willing to make the right sacrifices. Better keep your day job though.
I 100% agree....this is just a future stand point LOL. I'm tired of seeing something that is bred nice, but can't run worth a crap or was "injured" during training but there is a $1,500 stud fee attached. I like horses that were proven in the pen, especially with cutting, crossed on a mare I now has the speed under her. So yes, there would be investments in the colts "future" for futurities, as well as the roping pen. |
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Location: Kansas | TwistedK - 2014-11-25 10:22 AM SaraJean - 2014-11-25 10:19 AM Everybody likes something different. If he's your horse & YOU like him give him a chance. I've got a 2 year old stud colt in my barn....I don't even bother posting about him here because everybody would say to geld him since he isn't by popular barrel racing lines. But I know what he is & I've rode enough horses by his sire that he's worth giving a chance to me. I could care less if he ever breeds a mare outside of my own though. I agree with Sara... I have my stud... and I won't geld him because I want to ride his colts. I've gotten a couple nice mares of my own to cross on him and the babies will be what I want to ride... if other people like my stud, great... if not, it doesn't hurt my feelings.
Thank you jordan....just so you know, I like your stud  |
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Location: Oklahoma | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-11-25 10:23 AM TwistedK - 2014-11-25 10:22 AM SaraJean - 2014-11-25 10:19 AM Everybody likes something different. If he's your horse & YOU like him give him a chance. I've got a 2 year old stud colt in my barn....I don't even bother posting about him here because everybody would say to geld him since he isn't by popular barrel racing lines. But I know what he is & I've rode enough horses by his sire that he's worth giving a chance to me. I could care less if he ever breeds a mare outside of my own though. I agree with Sara... I have my stud... and I won't geld him because I want to ride his colts. I've gotten a couple nice mares of my own to cross on him and the babies will be what I want to ride... if other people like my stud, great... if not, it doesn't hurt my feelings.
Thanks! I like him too... you'd like riding him even more! |
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| Color is always a plus and sadly too many people look at it first. Sounds like a nice cross, I'm all for outcrossing and getting some cow bloodlines in. I think your focusing on the most important thing, leaving him intact if he proves himself. Too many unproven horses out there. I would look first at if a stud is proven, then bloodlines, then color. I say go for it :) |
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| In my opinion it depends. Alot of the pepto horses are very very fine boned. Around here alot of people, especially anybody that ranches on their horses, run from them because they dont hold up to use. That being said, this horse might have plenty of bone and substance. So I would make the decision based on the specific horse, not just the pedigree. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I'm thinking ahead too Hoofs and thinking of a Scorcho replacement. He will be 18 this year. I have held a couple of his daughters, because they are my idea of what I want. So, that leaves me looking toward a different stud prospect. I'd pick up an Ivory James if I found one I really liked (and could afford him), but I have the best mares that I can afford too. So, Whiteboys stud on the mare he's letting me borrow is a potential. 3x to Sun Frost and 3x to Driftwood Ike. Now, that's something I'd try to prove. My other big dream is Five Bar Cartel. They worked a deal with me for any of my mares. That is a foal that could race and barrel. Now, I'm hoping for a colt :)
If you're going to play stud potential, my suggestion is go for the very best you can. There are a lot of great studs out there that will trump you everytime. If you aren't packing it will not be worth the money you put in to him. My opinion.
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Location: In a happy place | SaraJean - 2014-11-25 10:19 AM Everybody likes something different. If he's your horse & YOU like him give him a chance. I've got a 2 year old stud colt in my barn....I don't even bother posting about him here because everybody would say to geld him since he isn't by popular barrel racing lines. But I know what he is & I've rode enough horses by his sire that he's worth giving a chance to me. I could care less if he ever breeds a mare outside of my own though.
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Location: Kansas | This would be the pedigree:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pepto+cartel |
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Location: The edge of no where | Whiteboy - 2014-11-25 3:30 PM In my opinion it depends. Alot of the pepto horses are very very fine boned. Around here alot of people, especially anybody that ranches on their horses, run from them because they dont hold up to use. That being said, this horse might have plenty of bone and substance. So I would make the decision based on the specific horse, not just the pedigree.
^^ It looks like it might be a kinda cool horse...but without seeing him and evaluating on confirmation, I can't tell. Bloodlines are not reason enough to breed one. Especially a stud needs to be a very correctly made individual. |
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Location: Kansas | MS2011 - 2014-11-26 8:29 AM Whiteboy - 2014-11-25 3:30 PM In my opinion it depends. Alot of the pepto horses are very very fine boned. Around here alot of people, especially anybody that ranches on their horses, run from them because they dont hold up to use. That being said, this horse might have plenty of bone and substance. So I would make the decision based on the specific horse, not just the pedigree. ^^ It looks like it might be a kinda cool horse...but without seeing him and evaluating on confirmation, I can't tell. Bloodlines are not reason enough to breed one. Especially a stud needs to be a very correctly made individual.
o yes totally understandable! I wouldn't want to breed a mare to a stud that wasn't proven, so that would be an aspect if I were to purchase him......feed him up and let him grow, then send him to a trainer, then futurity on him. If he isn't proven in the pen and is just another "average joe" he would be cut and made into a head horse. LOL. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2014-11-26 8:32 AM MS2011 - 2014-11-26 8:29 AM Whiteboy - 2014-11-25 3:30 PM In my opinion it depends. Alot of the pepto horses are very very fine boned. Around here alot of people, especially anybody that ranches on their horses, run from them because they dont hold up to use. That being said, this horse might have plenty of bone and substance. So I would make the decision based on the specific horse, not just the pedigree. ^^ It looks like it might be a kinda cool horse...but without seeing him and evaluating on confirmation, I can't tell. Bloodlines are not reason enough to breed one. Especially a stud needs to be a very correctly made individual.
I will tell you now .. that is something that I would breed to in a heartbeat!! I'd line the pepto up and let it roll!
However, I agree, you have to be careful with the pepto line of horses. They can be fine boned and some have really strange made front ends (really strange). BUT, when you find a good one. OH HELL YES, they are good. I have a pepto grand daughter out of a snickelfritz flake bred mare. She can move, run, and cow - all things I highly value along with good bone, good feet, and structural correctness.
If you're looking to the barrel world - I'm not sure of his resale/value without being proven. I think you're on the right track to get him in good futurity hands and pray for the best in the pen. If he fails and you turn him into a heading horse, whats your resale on him? Do you have the ability yourself or would you send him out? If this is an investment, think long and hard on the amount of money you'd be putting in vs. the amount you may get back out .... Just some things to think about!
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