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Location: Peach State | I've seen more horse owners turn towards animal communicators to help with illness and soundness issues. Just wanted to hear everyone's views or experiences. |
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| I have used one and she did help. If it weren't for Kay, I would never have found my daughter's dog when she ran off, and my horse would still be out in his poll. |
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Location: North Dakota | I don't see how they can possibly be legit...but I'm curious to see for myself. |
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Location: siberia it seems | I feel its hogwash and a waste of money. Out of desperation, i tried a very well known one and she was not even close. She said my mare was anxious because she was counting steps between her barrels and not in pain. This mare ended up having kissing spines and terrible back pain. I should have known better, I would never do it again. |
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Location: In my own little world | I had to try it for my self to see if it was accurate or not. Dead on with 2 different horses! I was very careful not to lead her with my response to what she had to say. It didn't matter, she picked up on things that she would have had no way of ever knowing. Pegged their personalities perfectly. Knew there was a foot issue that was bothering him, told me which foot and what the shoer had done to him (which he had) . For being a Nellie Negative regarding communicators before the call I was Polly Positive following it! I was amazed. |
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Location: The South | I thought it sounded crazy, but I was desperate after my accident so I gave it a shot. I almost died and I was home alone so no one knew what happened when I got hurt. My neighbor found me out in the pasture, and he told my husband that my horse's nose was dirty/dusty like he did a nosedive.
I didn't give her any details, I just said "We had an accident and I want to know what happened".
She gave details that I don't think anyone could just make up. It gave me some sort of closure and was well worth the money. I still think it sounds crazy, but I guess some people just have that gift. |
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | Malarky. Also, the bible warns against this kind of thing. |
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Location: In a happy place | GoGaited - 2014-11-26 2:31 AM Malarky. Also, the bible warns against this kind of thing.
Whether these people are right or wrong this is what is foremost in my mind......the Bible warns against this kind of thing. |
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Location: South Dakota | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-11-26 6:00 AM GoGaited - 2014-11-26 2:31 AM Malarky. Also, the bible warns against this kind of thing. Whether these people are right or wrong this is what is foremost in my mind......the Bible warns against this kind of thing.
Agree...this is messing with the Dark Side..We are warned to stay away from this type of thinking. |
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Location: The edge of no where | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-11-26 6:00 AM GoGaited - 2014-11-26 2:31 AM Malarky. Also, the bible warns against this kind of thing. Whether these people are right or wrong this is what is foremost in my mind......the Bible warns against this kind of thing.
^This. I have no doubts that they are often correct, but I'm not going there. I'm not going to judge anyone else for it, but the way that I interpret the Bible, it's wrong for me. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | And some of us believe the real ones have a gift from God. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Curiosity killed the cat for me, so to speak. Spoke to a more well known one. Almost completely off base with my gelding. I'm not going to say there can't be something to it. I've seen way too much in this world that's unexplained, but my experience wasn't accurate. I didn't have a horse in extreme pain or anything so I didn't feel super disappointed. I just did it out of my own curiosity. I like to know how everything works so I can talk with someone about it. Most evidence for this stuff is anecdotal. Studies have also shown with these types of things we have a confirmation bias going in. We tend to think they will be right or wrong. If we think they will be right, we tend to find things that are and ignore the stuff that's not. If we think they will be wrong, we pick them apart more strongly than we might normally. I tried to stay neutral. I won't bash it for other people that have had positive results. I have often wondered if this is supposed to work along the lines of a 'horsie' horoscope though, if they are using some form of astrological calendar or its just a 'communication' OBE type thing.
ETA: I like to read my horoscope . . . at the end of the day. Amazingly a decent number are accurate. I have one app on my phone that can even peg it down to physical symptoms. I don't live my life by it. It's just for entertainment. Someone did an informal study on those once. One in five are deemed to be wholly inaccurate but the other ones have some merit. I wonder if this would apply to animal communicators too?
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Angel in a Sorrel Coat
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Location: In a happy place | Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-26 8:26 AM And some of us believe the real ones have a gift from God.
Three 4 I struggle with your point of view too. My grandmother foresaw things that happened in the future and I have lived long enough to see them come true. As I said I struggle with this. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | oija - 2014-11-26 8:40 AM Curiosity killed the cat for me, so to speak. Spoke to a more well known one. Almost completely off base with my gelding. I'm not going to say there can't be something to it. I've seen way too much in this world that's unexplained, but my experience wasn't accurate. I didn't have a horse in extreme pain or anything so I didn't feel super disappointed. I just did it out of my own curiosity. I like to know how everything works so I can talk with someone about it. Most evidence for this stuff is anecdotal. Studies have also shown with these types of things we have a confirmation bias going in. We tend to think they will be right or wrong. If we think they will be right, we tend to find things that are and ignore the stuff that's not. If we think they will be wrong, we pick them apart more strongly than we might normally. I tried to stay neutral. I won't bash it for other people that have had positive results. I have often wondered if this is supposed to work along the lines of a 'horsie' horoscope though, if they are using some form of astrological calendar or its just a 'communication' OBE type thing.
There are many who are flat out fake. Some of the ones who are real and do it for money, I think feel the need to deliver SOMETHING to their paying customers. So rather than saying "it's not working today" or "your horse isn't cooperating" will make something up. There have been times for me when my reaction was that they totally missed on my horse, only to find out they were correct. But like I said, lots of fakes out there. I've only found 2 that I trust. One of them found my daughter's missing kitten. Dead-on accurate, lots of detail in the place description, no way could she have made that up. |
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| I think owners are the best communicators for thier animals. If we'd get our noses out of our cell phones and maybe take a few hours to sit in the pasture and watch... |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-11-26 8:45 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-26 8:26 AM And some of us believe the real ones have a gift from God. Three 4 I struggle with your point of view too. My grandmother foresaw things that happened in the future and I have lived long enough to see them come true. As I said I struggle with this.
My thinking is that we are all given gifts by God, but we have free will that allows us to use those gifts for good or for evil. The greater the gift, the greater the responsibility. Our sermon at church a couple of weeks ago was about gifts and our responsibility to use them to do good in God's name and glorify Him. My mom has been riding my butt ever since because she thinks I'm wasting a gift I was given...I don't think I actually possess such a thing as she accuses me of wasting. LOL |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i have used a few over the years and had very good luck and very accurate..... will continue to use them
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Location: Kentucky | I will admit that I've used an animal communicator three times. In every instance I would get so excited talking about my horses that I feel like I gave them "hints" and they were able to "diagnose" via what I was spewing out of my mouth.
It almost felt like a fortune teller to me. I've used two different ones. One of which was too busy selling me their products. The other was nice, but I felt like it didn't help. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-26 8:57 AM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-11-26 8:45 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-26 8:26 AM And some of us believe the real ones have a gift from God. Three 4 I struggle with your point of view too. My grandmother foresaw things that happened in the future and I have lived long enough to see them come true. As I said I struggle with this.
That's why I absolutely don't judge anyone for using them. It's something I've gone back and forth with trying to figure out. I'm not comfortable with it, but I'm sure not saying my interpretation of what the Bible is talking about is correct. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it.....someday I'll know. |
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Location: In a happy place | Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-26 8:57 AM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-11-26 8:45 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-26 8:26 AM And some of us believe the real ones have a gift from God. Three 4 I struggle with your point of view too. My grandmother foresaw things that happened in the future and I have lived long enough to see them come true. As I said I struggle with this.
Mothers are like that......yeah they are. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Bull snot.........lol.......plus if I found out what my horse thought of me they would all be rugs! |
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Location: North Dakota | I'd rather put my hard earned money into a good equine vet to find out health and lameness issues, rather than in the pocket of a animal communicator.
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Location: Midwest | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2014-11-26 9:40 AM
I'd rather put my hard earned money into a good equine vet to find out health and lameness issues, rather than in the pocket of a animal communicator.
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Location: Ky | It's a scam pure and simple. If it wasn't a scam they would do a reading right when you call. Or better yet, they would call you since they know you want to talk to them.
They use the time from when you schedule the reading and the reading to gather information. They only have to get a little bit right since the person paying is wanting to believe anyway.
Houdini exposed the fakes almost 100 years ago when it comes to humans. When need an animal Houdini to out these fakers. |
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | I used one once. When Grasshopper was in the hospital. By then Dr. Tanner had told me twice he didn't know if he had 24 hours to live. My fear was that he was in so much pain that I didn't know if it was right to try and keep him alive. I was desperate for an answer and not even sitting for hours with Grasshopper would have told me the answer. Dr. Tanner couldn't tell me the answer and I wasn't in a good place to know either. So I made a 15 minute appointment.
The lady wanted to know his name, age, and if he was a mare or gelding. That was it. I told her nothing else-literally. The first thing she said was "pain." She said his front right leg (the leg that was causing everything and whether or not he would survive) was causing him a lot of pain but that he was trying to rest (the hospital said he was laying down a lot-more than usual for horses, which was a good thing." She then said he was in a big stall that he could see outside and all of the horses (another true statement). She said he liked the attention (totally Grasshopper). But the kicker was when she said he said, "I am so sorry. This is my fault. I am fighting, don't give up on me." I had (and to this day still) struggle with the accident being my fault. And I had called for a specific reason. The lady knew none of this.
I knew then we were making the right decision. I needed that call. It wasn't 15 minutes and I did ask her about Lilly -she was pretty dead on with her but nothing was wrong and I didn't have anything to ask except for stupid things like, "Is she happy?" lol. But it was the best money I have ever spent and I would do it again. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | Don't waste your money.
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Location: CA | If you read 1 Cor. 12 you will see that yes we are given these gifts.
1 Corinthians Chapter 12
1 Now concerning spiritual [gifts], brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body [were] an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were] hearing, where [were] the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where [were] the body?
20 But now [are they] many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those [members] of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely [parts] have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely [parts] have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that [part] which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but [that] the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
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| jd&ez - 2014-11-26 10:58 AM It's a scam pure and simple. If it wasn't a scam they would do a reading right when you call. Or better yet, they would call you since they know you want to talk to them.
They use the time from when you schedule the reading and the reading to gather information. They only have to get a little bit right since the person paying is wanting to believe anyway.
Houdini exposed the fakes almost 100 years ago when it comes to humans. When need an animal Houdini to out these fakers.
I've called two different ones, three times. Used one twice and both times she was dead on and told me things there is NO way she can look up online.
If you don't understand it, fine. If you don't believe in it, fine, but to say it's all a scam is ridiculous. Also, the Bible does not warn against it, in fact, it says to listen to the animals ::
Job 12:7-10New International Version (NIV)7 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
8 or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you.
9 Which of all these does not know
that the hand of the Lord has done this?
10 In his hand is the life of every creature
and the breath of all mankind.
It was $25 a session when I did it and I've wasted more money on beer. I also bought a few books to read about it and try the exercises because I'm into learning new things. It was fun. I wouldn't bet my horse's health on it, but I also don't think I'm going to HedoubleLL over it.
Try it and if you like it, do it, if you don't, you learned you don't like it. Big whoop. Mary Argo is who I used twice, both times VERY accurate. I think Kay was the other I used and she was not accurate for me. That doesn't mean I think she's a fake, I think it means that was an off day or that she's just not as good as Mary. I don't need to put down what they do to feel better about myself. |
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Location: Arizona | It's funny that this thread is posted. My thread on "Bartonella" that I just posted comes from a "animal communicator" who's diagnosing my two friends horses with this "disease". She claims she's a vet too. And the medicine to treat this so called Bartonella is almost $400. I have been reading everything I can on Bartonella and not one find has come up with any type of medicine. Strange...hmm..I think she's taking my friends for a ride! |
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Location: Arizona | GLP - 2014-11-26 11:45 AM
I looked it up, but only the human articles and I found one that mentioned meds to take, but like I said it was for humans.
Yes same here....can't find anything for equines. My friends are buying into this scam too... |
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Location: Prosser, WA | Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-26 6:57 AM
sorrel horse ranch - 2014-11-26 8:45 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-11-26 8:26 AM And some of us believe the real ones have a gift from God. Three 4 I struggle with your point of view too. My grandmother foresaw things that happened in the future and I have lived long enough to see them come true. As I said I struggle with this.
So what is this gift you may or may not have? LOL |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | GLP - 2014-11-26 12:18 PM It wasn't wasted money. I've wasted alot more money on vets.
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Location: Paradise , tx | RidenFly - 2014-11-26 8:54 AM I think owners are the best communicators for thier animals. If we'd get our noses out of our cell phones and maybe take a few hours to sit in the pasture and watch...
I think you are absolutly correct on that. My husband always kids me about that. I always know when they are alittle off (horses or dogs). I think it shouild be a normal event , just like when
your kids are little and cann't talk. You just spend time with them and know them.
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Location: Ky | smiley - 2014-11-26 12:39 PM
jd&ez - 2014-11-26 10:58 AM It's a scam pure and simple. If it wasn't a scam they would do a reading right when you call. Or better yet, they would call you since they know you want to talk to them.
They use the time from when you schedule the reading and the reading to gather information. They only have to get a little bit right since the person paying is wanting to believe anyway.
Houdini exposed the fakes almost 100 years ago when it comes to humans. When need an animal Houdini to out these fakers.
If you don't understand it, fine. If you don't believe in it, fine, but to say it's all a scam is ridiculous. Also, the Bible does not warn against it, in fact, it says to listen to the animals :: Job 12:7-10New International Version (NIV ) 7 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
8 or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you.
9 Which of all these does not know
that the hand of the Lord has done this?
10 In his hand is the life of every creature
and the breath of all mankind. It was $25 a session when I did it and I've wasted more money on beer. I also bought a few books to read about it and try the exercises because I'm into learning new things. It was fun. I wouldn't bet my horse's health on it, but I also don't think I'm going to HedoubleLL over it.
Try it and if you like it, do it, if you don't, you learned you don't like it. Big whoop. Mary Argo is who I used twice, both times VERY accurate. I think Kay was the other I used and she was not accurate for me. That doesn't mean I think she's a fake, I think it means that was an off day or that she's just not as good as Mary. I don't need to put down what they do to feel better about myself.
I wasted more than that on many things, including beer. Although, is berr money ever a waste?
If it's not a scam then why won't they do a reading when you call them? Try it. Call one of them up right now and say you don't have time to call back or set an appointment. You want it now and will pay for it.
Just because we all waste money from time to time doesn't mean this is not a scam. PT Barnum had a saying for people that would fall this stuff. |
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Location: Paradise , tx | GoGaited - 2014-11-26 2:31 AM Malarky. Also, the bible warns against this kind of thing.
You are right
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Location: So. California | I've used one and would do so in again in a heartbeat. It was the best $30 I ever spent, saved me an MRI bill and I have a sound horse again. 9 months, 2 vet clinics, multiple xrays/ultrasounds = nothing. One 30 minute call + one vet call = sound horse. AMAZING.... I truly believe, a real AC has a gift from God. |
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Location: CA | Most of you do communicate with your critters. Most of you aren't aware that not everyone can do it. Most times when you do call an outsider it is to help validate what you already know. Just sayin.... |
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Location: Centerburg, OH | I thought it was all b.s. Until I met one off my best friends eves 2 years ago. She is an energy healer. Best I can explain she feels pain in others and animals. Hes stories are amazing. Things she has told me about my animals is spot on. Even old injurys i have forgoten about.
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | T turning 3 - 2014-11-26 12:24 PM If you read 1 Cor. 12 you will see that yes we are given these gifts.
1 Corinthians Chapter 12
1 Now concerning spiritual [gifts], brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body [were] an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were] hearing, where [were] the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where [were] the body?
20 But now [are they] many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those [members] of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely [parts] have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely [parts] have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that [part] which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but [that] the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
verse 10, the discerning of spirits. What kind of spirits ya';'ll think he's talking about here?? Really? they are called "familiar spirits". and they are demons from Satan who will lie and twist the truth, give you just enough truth to hook you in...next thing you know, it's card readers and fortune tellers, and the Bible is REALLY specific on that! if it's supernatural, ya'll, and animal communication is most certainly supernatural....well, that comes from one of 2 sources, God or Satan, and I don't think God operates over the phone for a $125 fee. Just my very strong opinion. RUN, do not WALK away from animal communicators operating with familiar spirits. Please, it's not worth it to find out stuff maybe you ought not to know. Pray about it instead |
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| This is why I don't think it's evil to use animal communicators- I am not wanting to know the future, i am trying to solve a problem in the present and the animal is a live being, not a spirit. |
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Location: Paradise , tx | If you read 1 Cor. 12 you will see that yes we are given these gifts.
verse 10, the discerning of spirits. What kind of spirits ya';'ll think he's talking about here?? Really? they are called "familiar spirits". and they are demons from Satan who will lie and twist the truth, give you just enough truth to hook you in...next thing you know, it's card readers and fortune tellers, and the Bible is REALLY specific on that! if it's supernatural, ya'll, and animal communication is most certainly supernatural....well, that comes from one of 2 sources, God or Satan, and I don't think God operates over the phone for a $125 fee. Just my very strong opinion. RUN, do not WALK away from animal communicators operating with familiar spirits. Please, it's not worth it to find out stuff maybe you ought not to know. Pray about it instead
I agree with you.
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| I had a gelding that was not running up to his full potential. Had the vet out did not fix either. So i paid thinking that 30.00 maybe come up with something. Not really. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | T turning 3 - 2014-11-26 7:24 PM Most of you do communicate with your critters. Most of you aren't aware that not everyone can do it. Most times when you do call an outsider it is to help validate what you already know. Just sayin....
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | tulip - 2014-11-26 9:46 PM I thought it was all b.s. Until I met one off my best friends eves 2 years ago. She is an energy healer. Best I can explain she feels pain in others and animals. Hes stories are amazing. Things she has told me about my animals is spot on. Even old injurys i have forgoten about.
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| My sister in law can't wear a watch because they quit working. She also drives sensitive horses crazy. Ed Wright was working with her and he looked over at my mom and said he bet she couldn't wear a watch because the batteries quit and mom said yes. He said she had great courage and balance but her energy could be overwhelming, lol. |
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Location: Centerburg, OH | you are right about batteries. She cant keep her phone on herself at all. And her cutting horse is for sale. She is driving him nuts. He is a great horse. Fine for anyone else. |
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| jd&ez - 2014-11-26 4:34 PM smiley - 2014-11-26 12:39 PM jd&ez - 2014-11-26 10:58 AM It's a scam pure and simple. If it wasn't a scam they would do a reading right when you call. Or better yet, they would call you since they know you want to talk to them.
They use the time from when you schedule the reading and the reading to gather information. They only have to get a little bit right since the person paying is wanting to believe anyway.
Houdini exposed the fakes almost 100 years ago when it comes to humans. When need an animal Houdini to out these fakers.
If you don't understand it, fine. If you don't believe in it, fine, but to say it's all a scam is ridiculous. Also, the Bible does not warn against it, in fact, it says to listen to the animals ::
Job 12:7-10New International Version (NIV )
7 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
8 or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you.
9 Which of all these does not know
that the hand of the Lord has done this?
10 In his hand is the life of every creature
and the breath of all mankind.
It was $25 a session when I did it and I've wasted more money on beer. I also bought a few books to read about it and try the exercises because I'm into learning new things. It was fun. I wouldn't bet my horse's health on it, but I also don't think I'm going to HedoubleLL over it.
Try it and if you like it, do it, if you don't, you learned you don't like it. Big whoop. Mary Argo is who I used twice, both times VERY accurate. I think Kay was the other I used and she was not accurate for me. That doesn't mean I think she's a fake, I think it means that was an off day or that she's just not as good as Mary. I don't need to put down what they do to feel better about myself. I wasted more than that on many things, including beer. Although, is berr money ever a waste? If it's not a scam then why won't they do a reading when you call them? Try it. Call one of them up right now and say you don't have time to call back or set an appointment. You want it now and will pay for it. Just because we all waste money from time to time doesn't mean this is not a scam. PT Barnum had a saying for people that would fall this stuff.
First, the communicator does not "see the future" but they can say for example "your horse hates barrels" or something similar (different poster than Jd&ez).
To Jd&ez, I agree, money is never truly wasted on alcohol - ha.
For me, all I had to tell the woman was a barn name and a brief description - bay mare + barn name. I get that you don't get it and don't want to waste your money and kudos to you. I did it first out of curiosity of all the posts on BHW, but then I did the others because it was fun. I typed while she talked and we still refer to those notes sometimes for a laugh on how accurate she was.
The only "hint" i can think of was telling her a pony's barn name was "oreo" and she said black white and fuzzy, right?
Well, yeah, but that one was kinda obvious, except the fuzzy........
It you want to believe it's a scam, there is almost nothing I could possibly tell you to make you believe otherwise. Give Mary a call, see how she works for you. You know what they say "if you can't win em over, join em"
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| CrossCreek - 2014-11-26 10:40 PM T turning 3 - 2014-11-26 12:24 PM If you read 1 Cor. 12 you will see that yes we are given these gifts.
1 Corinthians Chapter 12
1 Now concerning spiritual [gifts], brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body [were] an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were] hearing, where [were] the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where [were] the body?
20 But now [are they] many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those [members] of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely [parts] have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely [parts] have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that [part] which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but [that] the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
These are NOT communications through "familiar spirits" which are TOTALLY different than communicating with your own animal. A "familiar" is a whole different ball of wax and always has been. I have NEVER heard someone say that this is how it's done and it's not how it's done.............. |
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Location: CA | I understand how you choose which side of the fence you are on regarding these things. I would never try and talk someone into beleiving something they don't want to or feel is wrong.
I will say that education can dispell fear. I was so "afraid" of such things. But then I realize that nothing is stronger that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. So I researched it. I have found I know many people that are animal communictors, they are one with their horses, and they work as a team. Is it all training? I really don't think so. There are people that see spirit, my son is one of them. Is it evil? He surely didn't ask for it. He isn't afraid, and kind of shruggs it off. I know people that feel other's pain and illnesses. I don't think that makes them bad, and this is what the animal communicators do. I know people that can feel other peoples emotions, they have amazing BS dectectors.
All these things are a form of reading Emotional Energy. All emotions have an energy signature. Including those emotions of people that have passed. This is how "mediums" read spirit, by the emotions they exihibit.
I have been studying this for years, and it is rather scientific. This emotional energy can been seen in Kirilian photography and measured. I have seen first had the transfer of energy to heal using this method.
Just putting it out there.
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| T turning 3 - 2014-11-28 11:49 AM
I understand how you choose which side of the fence you are on regarding these things. I would never try and talk someone into beleiving something they don't want to or feel is wrong.
I will say that education can dispell fear. I was so "afraid" of such things. But then I realize that nothing is stronger that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. So I researched it. I have found I know many people that are animal communictors, they are one with their horses, and they work as a team. Is it all training? I really don't think so. There are people that see spirit, my son is one of them. Is it evil? He surely didn't ask for it. He isn't afraid, and kind of shruggs it off. I know people that feel other's pain and illnesses. I don't think that makes them bad, and this is what the animal communicators do. I know people that can feel other peoples emotions, they have amazing BS dectectors.
All these things are a form of reading Emotional Energy. All emotions have an energy signature. Including those emotions of people that have passed. This is how "mediums" read spirit, by the emotions they exihibit.
I have been studying this for years, and it is rather scientific. This emotional energy can been seen in Kirilian photography and measured. I have seen first had the transfer of energy to heal using this method.
Just putting it out there.
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