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| An older, high strung, hard mouthed gelding.
My gelding is a 23ish year old paintaloosa, and is about to founder so I need to ride him at least a little bit, but his bit is just not a good light riding bit. He rides in an 8in long shank twisted wire combination bit, but that was back when I barrel raced him every weekend, and he blew up and is no longer good to race. Got very gate sour and such. I have posted about this gelding before since I lost my barrel horse, and everyone said just leave him retired. He is just way too easy of a keeper to leave him out in the pasture, and he needs to drop weight before spring. I cannot stall him because I kinda like my barn and would not like it tore down.
Now, he rides very behind the bit in his racing bit, but he also isn't a super safe riding horse. He has tendencies to buck, so I want something he can relax in, but also something I can pull him up if he starts bucking like an idiot. I'm just wondering if a hackamore would fit that? He rides great with a halter at a walk, but I've never tried him any faster in a halter. What kind of hackamore would be a good fit? I've seen little s hacks, and ladybug hacks, but I don't know what the difference is. I've never used a hackamore before, so I'm pretty blank on them. Any help is appreciated. | |
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Location: Phoenix | For a high strung horse I would try a JD hack from L&W bits..a beetle or ladybug hack won't be enough for him. | |
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| I don't like using hacks on known buckers as they can get their head down and get out from under the pressure.
A little s won't have enough bite for a bucker IMO it is a very soft hack. | |
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| If not a hackamore, then what bit would be good? I've tried him in many bits and he shakes his head a lot and roots out, except in his racing bit. | |
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| Why not try a twisted snaffle and clinton anderson methods to get him broke? Just cause he's old doesn't mean he can't work on foundation skills | |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-11-28 9:55 PM An older, high strung, hard mouthed gelding. My gelding is a 23ish year old paintaloosa, and is about to founder so I need to ride him at least a little bit, but his bit is just not a good light riding bit. He rides in an 8in long shank twisted wire combination bit, but that was back when I barrel raced him every weekend, and he blew up and is no longer good to race. Got very gate sour and such. I have posted about this gelding before since I lost my barrel horse, and everyone said just leave him retired. He is just way too easy of a keeper to leave him out in the pasture, and he needs to drop weight before spring. I cannot stall him because I kinda like my barn and would not like it tore down. Now, he rides very behind the bit in his racing bit, but he also isn't a super safe riding horse. He has tendencies to buck, so I want something he can relax in, but also something I can pull him up if he starts bucking like an idiot. I'm just wondering if a hackamore would fit that? He rides great with a halter at a walk, but I've never tried him any faster in a halter. What kind of hackamore would be a good fit? I've seen little s hacks, and ladybug hacks, but I don't know what the difference is. I've never used a hackamore before, so I'm pretty blank on them. Any help is appreciated.
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| suzy2qtee - 2014-11-30 9:30 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-11-28 9:55 PM An older, high strung, hard mouthed gelding. My gelding is a 23ish year old paintaloosa, and is about to founder so I need to ride him at least a little bit, but his bit is just not a good light riding bit. He rides in an 8in long shank twisted wire combination bit, but that was back when I barrel raced him every weekend, and he blew up and is no longer good to race. Got very gate sour and such. I have posted about this gelding before since I lost my barrel horse, and everyone said just leave him retired. He is just way too easy of a keeper to leave him out in the pasture, and he needs to drop weight before spring. I cannot stall him because I kinda like my barn and would not like it tore down. Now, he rides very behind the bit in his racing bit, but he also isn't a super safe riding horse. He has tendencies to buck, so I want something he can relax in, but also something I can pull him up if he starts bucking like an idiot. I'm just wondering if a hackamore would fit that? He rides great with a halter at a walk, but I've never tried him any faster in a halter. What kind of hackamore would be a good fit? I've seen little s hacks, and ladybug hacks, but I don't know what the difference is. I've never used a hackamore before, so I'm pretty blank on them. Any help is appreciated.
What are you confused with?
We have a 4 acre pasture with one easy keeper gelding on it. He has started showing some heat in his feet, but he isn't lame, and he's so huge he looks pregnant. I want to try to drop some lbs on his before he completely goes lame (which would be saying something for this horse who has never taken a lame step in his life). We cannot keep him locked inside because he would tear the barn apart. | |
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| wickedstepmother - 2014-11-30 12:09 AM
Why not try a twisted snaffle and clinton anderson methods to get him broke? Just cause he's old doesn't mean he can't work on foundation skills
Ya, been there, tried that, bought the t-shirt. This horse is not all there in the head. I've tried about every method under the sun with him back when I was trying to rehab him a few years ago, and never got anywhere with him. He works best by me staying out of his way and not nit-picking. I'm not looking to ride him to get him ready to do anything, I'm just gonna jump on him, drop some weight, then throw him back to pasture, because we don't get along.
I'm just too nice and don't want to see him hurting. And I'm too nice to send him down the road to the next unsuspecting person like I was. (I bought him as a dead head trail horse. He was psycho from the day I got him, and that was 8 years ago) | |
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| Grazing muzzle in the pasture and pony him to drop weight? Build a dry lot?
Doesn't sound like a hack would be my choice, but sometimes you don't know until you try | |
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| suzy2qtee - 2014-11-30 8:30 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-11-28 9:55 PM An older, high strung, hard mouthed gelding. My gelding is a 23ish year old paintaloosa, and is about to founder so I need to ride him at least a little bit, but his bit is just not a good light riding bit. He rides in an 8in long shank twisted wire combination bit, but that was back when I barrel raced him every weekend, and he blew up and is no longer good to race. Got very gate sour and such. I have posted about this gelding before since I lost my barrel horse, and everyone said just leave him retired. He is just way too easy of a keeper to leave him out in the pasture, and he needs to drop weight before spring. I cannot stall him because I kinda like my barn and would not like it tore down. Now, he rides very behind the bit in his racing bit, but he also isn't a super safe riding horse. He has tendencies to buck, so I want something he can relax in, but also something I can pull him up if he starts bucking like an idiot. I'm just wondering if a hackamore would fit that? He rides great with a halter at a walk, but I've never tried him any faster in a halter. What kind of hackamore would be a good fit? I've seen little s hacks, and ladybug hacks, but I don't know what the difference is. I've never used a hackamore before, so I'm pretty blank on them. Any help is appreciated.
No just curious how you still have enough rich grass the end of November to get one to founder on it. Unless you live in hawaii or something that you still get to graze your horses. | |
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| OhMax - 2014-11-30 6:06 PM
Grazing muzzle in the pasture and pony him to drop weight? Build a dry lot?
Doesn't sound like a hack would be my choice, but sometimes you don't know until you try
He has on a grazing muzzle....That's whats so annoying. (I've even made the hole smaller!)
I only thought of a hack because he fights the bit a lot and I don't need something that has tons of control because I'm not afraid to get rough with him. He's an old fatty who hates work, so there's going to be a little head butting in there. lol Nothing against him, he's a pretty pasture ornament, but thats about it.
This picture is from the winter before last I think, so imagine him double the gut now. haha
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| suzy2qtee - 2014-11-30 11:01 PM
suzy2qtee - 2014-11-30 8:30 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-11-28 9:55 PM An older, high strung, hard mouthed gelding. My gelding is a 23ish year old paintaloosa, and is about to founder so I need to ride him at least a little bit, but his bit is just not a good light riding bit. He rides in an 8in long shank twisted wire combination bit, but that was back when I barrel raced him every weekend, and he blew up and is no longer good to race. Got very gate sour and such. I have posted about this gelding before since I lost my barrel horse, and everyone said just leave him retired. He is just way too easy of a keeper to leave him out in the pasture, and he needs to drop weight before spring. I cannot stall him because I kinda like my barn and would not like it tore down. Now, he rides very behind the bit in his racing bit, but he also isn't a super safe riding horse. He has tendencies to buck, so I want something he can relax in, but also something I can pull him up if he starts bucking like an idiot. I'm just wondering if a hackamore would fit that? He rides great with a halter at a walk, but I've never tried him any faster in a halter. What kind of hackamore would be a good fit? I've seen little s hacks, and ladybug hacks, but I don't know what the difference is. I've never used a hackamore before, so I'm pretty blank on them. Any help is appreciated.
I know! Our grass is still pretty nice even after the snow we've gotten. I'm from Indiana so our winters are not very nice, and he is still gaining weight with no grain or hay. He is like the ultimate easy keeper! | |
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| Appy's do tend to be easy keepers. And also, old bastard even though I love them. I vote grazing muzzle and ponying | |
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| Maybe he has a thyroid issue or is it cushings that make horses get fat on air? | |
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| suzy2qtee - 2014-12-01 10:09 AM
Maybe he has a thyroid issue or is it cushings that make horses get fat on air?
He has no health problems, because he's been this way since I got him and I had him checked head to toe and everywhere in between when he blew up, he was a smoking pole horse in his day.
Sadly, I do not have another horse to do ponying (he's the only one I have now), so he either gets rode or sits. I used to pony him off my barrel horse, but I don't have her anymore. | |
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Location: North Dakota | I am under the assumption this horse would not be happy locked in a barn, but how about a small dry lot? If he's anything like the old stubborn cuss I have at home, he will self exercise, by pacing the fence. So make a small electric pen (maybe 50x50) and lock him in there for 4-6 hours a day. Becareful what you wish for, the day will come when he won't be this easy to keep.
As for the hackamore, try one, you might be surprised. Just be sure you look at photos online to see how to set them on his head. If he were mine I would try the ladybug hack (I like to call that the yes ma'am hack) Or just a standard mechanical hackamore-has a longer shank and a lot of whoa. | |
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| The more you say the more it sounds like Pssm or cushings.
Most vets do not know what to look for, and most do not have the equipment to test for these conditions.
A specific blood test for cushings is available
Pssm is a muscle biopsy
I would go this route, and if my horse was positive for either, I would discuss with my vet pergolide.
As for exercising, I don't know why you wouldn't use the bit that works. If his racing bit works, then use it.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | cheryl makofka - 2014-12-02 9:52 AM The more you say the more it sounds like Pssm or cushings. Most vets do not know what to look for, and most do not have the equipment to test for these conditions. A specific blood test for cushings is available Pssm is a muscle biopsy I would go this route, and if my horse was positive for either, I would discuss with my vet pergolide. As for exercising, I don't know why you wouldn't use the bit that works. If his racing bit works, then use it.
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Location: Central Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-12-02 9:52 AM
The more you say the more it sounds like Pssm or cushings.
Most vets do not know what to look for, and most do not have the equipment to test for these conditions.
A specific blood test for cushings is available
Pssm is a muscle biopsy
I would go this route, and if my horse was positive for either, I would discuss with my vet pergolide.
As for exercising, I don't know why you wouldn't use the bit that works. If his racing bit works, then use it.
Just an FYI, there are two known types of PSSM, type 1 is tested by hair sample and type 2 is by muscle biopsy unless something has changed since I had my mare tested last year. Might test for IR as well, it's a pretty simple test. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | I love hacks, and I disagree about them not being good for a bucker....at 62, I am NOT going to hit the ground, and I can tell you, I never ride a new horse w/o putting my Weaver Fast Stop on him....I can't always run them in it, and most sellers are appalled when I pull it out to put it on a horse, but I refuse to ride one I don't know in anything else because I KNOW they can't get their head down to buck. Plus, it also tends to make them ride more collected with their butt down and their shoulders a little more elevated and it tends to make a blown up horse ride more relaxed when you don't have something in their mouths. It's a bump and release headgear, and you have to kind of get used to using it....you have to be pretty light with your hands, but they will tell you when you are being too heavy, as they will shake their head when you pull rather than bump. It's good to teach you not to hang on a hot horse's head. Anyway, I guess you know that I would ride this horse with a Weaver Fast Stop. It WILL keep them from bucking. When they start to want to get that head down, I just bump pretty good and set that butt into the ground, spin them around a couple of times while I'm spanking them and it only takes one or two times of that, and they learn that is not desired behavior. I had one that was an awesome 1D barrel horse, but he would try to buck every time I didn't have the fast stop on him, but they know when it's on and they won't even try....he was one that had to be run in it and he was a winner with it, so I never changed him. I sold him and the gal didn't like running in it, switched him to a bit and he bucked her off. She went back to the fast stop and he went back to winning and not bucking. This is the one I use: http://www.horse.com/item/weaver-fast-stop-browband-headstall/WQW10...
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| Try a clampitt hack. Ronny is really nice and if you explain to him what your wanting and how the horse is, I'm sure he could come up with something great. | |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | imo...no...i have a low down dirty bronc that i run and i think she would turn really good in an s cheek or even a quick stop but i dont trust her enough......i run her in a chain bit, you could just try a chain with little shanks ......but if its possible for you to do it i would just pony him....
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| He is negative for both types of PSSM, as again, we tested him for both when he flipped over on me the first time (something he had never even offered to do in the past). When it came back clean (and I trust my vet 100%), I retired him from racing.
His racing bit is too much for anything other then running. He was not one to slow work a pattern near the end, and so he just got rode, and now that he's been laid off, he won't quit shaking his head and laying on it whenever he throws a fit. He's a hard mouthed sucker.
Thank you, dianeguinn. That sounds like what I'm looking for. Worth a try at least. | |
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