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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | I got a new horse less than 2 weeks ago. She came out of a stall in a climate controlled barn in Canada here to a bitterly cold Montana. She has been stalled/penned beside a mini gelding and they don't like each other and she will kick the fence at him. Normal behavior, right? Well, she'll stand in her stall and kick at the wall when no one else is in the barn and rub her hip on the barn wall. At first, I thought it was because of the 2 blankets I had on her making her itchy. The were pulled and she was brushed and blanketed with different blankets. Same issue with the kicking. She is really sweet around people. The kicking when she is alone and can come and go as she pleases is really out of character for the way she is the rest of the time. She has been hauled a lot and won a lot so she is used to being stalled. She's 12 and has had at least 3 registered foals so I don't know if this is a behavioral issue or something else going on. I started her on ulcergard and I have a vet appointment for an ultrasound and possible culture at the beginning of the week. I'm wondering if these symptoms sound right for others who've had ovary issues and what else I need to have my vet looking for if that isn't the issue?
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Location: Florida.. | Usually with a csyt they have studdish behavior.. aggressive to..
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | That would be her also. We've tried to put her in with the horses beside her but someone is going to get hurt. She thinks she is the boss. Since she is new, I'm not sure if that is normal for her or not. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-11-29 7:31 PM Usually with a csyt they have studdish behavior.. aggressive to..
Yes to this...... |
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | Is the studdish behavior something that comes and goes during a normal cycle or does it hang around until the cyst is removed surgically? |
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| Chance Of Rein - 2014-11-30 8:19 AM Is the studdish behavior something that comes and goes during a normal cycle or does it hang around until the cyst is removed surgically?
My mare was studdish all the time- she even had big jowls and muscle mass like a stud. Did you get blood work done to check for testosterone levels? My girl was off the chart- lol. |
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | No vet work yet, appointment is Tuesday so bloodwork can be added to the list. How did you treat yours? |
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| trickster j - 2014-11-29 11:55 PM
Bibliafarm - 2014-11-29 7:31 PM Usually with a csyt they have studdish behavior.. aggressive to..
Yes to this......
I disagree. Studdish behavior is more likely caused by a granulosa tumor than what most people call an ovarian "cyst" Have had to have two mars spayed due to "cysts" which are in reality retained follicles.....just easier to call them cysts.
The first mare acted exactly like you are describing. Would kick in the trailer, rub her hocks raw and lean HARD on panels, walls the trailer....you name it, then sometimes squeal and kick with no other horse around. Two vet colleges described it a colicly.
Easy enough to find out. Have the vet palpate her when she is diplying these symptoms and you will get an answer if it is her ovaries. |
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Location: Florida.. | rodeoveteran - 2014-11-30 3:59 PM trickster j - 2014-11-29 11:55 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-11-29 7:31 PM Usually with a csyt they have studdish behavior.. aggressive to..
Yes to this...... I disagree. Studdish behavior is more likely caused by a granulosa tumor than what most people call an ovarian "cyst" Have had to have two mars spayed due to "cysts" which are in reality retained follicles.....just easier to call them cysts. The first mare acted exactly like you are describing. Would kick in the trailer, rub her hocks raw and lean HARD on panels, walls the trailer....you name it, then sometimes squeal and kick with no other horse around. Two vet colleges described it a colicly. Easy enough to find out. Have the vet palpate her when she is diplying these symptoms and you will get an answer if it is her ovaries.
yes thats what my mare had .. I guess I assumed that was what she was asking about not a follicle. my bad.. |
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| have your vet check her if there is 1 there is a shot they can guve to dissove or get rid of it donot know proper term
but our mare time would get them regularly a shot fixed her
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Location: So. California | If she is in, get her cultured and check for an infection. |
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Location: North MS | My mare was ultrasounded and found to have a cyst. She was grouchy (still is, but not as much). Had a hard time with left turns. Treatment was a shot of HGH I believe to make the cyst rupture and then on regumate for 2 months (cold season came after that). Now she is turning great, but can still be a grouch. I just think its her nature. Best $125 ever spent-excluding regumate |
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | Took my mare in and the US showed no cyst but a lot of activity in her ovaries for this time of year. We put her on Regumate. 2 days ago, I discontinued the Regumate and started her on medroxyprogesterone. Tonight she is acting colicky. She's been eating and drinking and she has good tummy noises so I'm thinking the pain in back. How long does it take for the medroxy to start working or does this mean it isn't going to? I'll be following up with my vet in the morning, if she is in. |
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Location: Florida.. | may I ask why you took her off Regumate? it usually works well .. |
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | Bibliafarm - 2014-12-23 7:02 PM may I ask why you took her off Regumate? it usually works well ..
I was hoping to not have to give something every day. With my work schedule it is hard being home at the same time every night to give it to her. The Depo is supposed to be every 2 weeks. |
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Location: Florida.. | ok I was just curoius.. glad you got answers and mare will be on the road to feeling acting normal
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | Bibliafarm - 2014-12-23 8:09 PM ok I was just curoius.. glad you got answers and mare will be on the road to feeling acting normal
I'm looking for answers again. Mostly if anyone else has experienced this when changing from one to the other. I'm wondering if she needs to go back on the Regumate or if I should let her try to cycle. At this time of year, I don't know if she even will. |
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Location: Florida.. | I never switched but usually will take about 2=3 weeks for the Regumate to start working.. from what I remember..
biblia was on it down south . she had issues and it helped her .. but you cant get it on your hands .. im sure you know that though.. this will give you a bump maybe someone else will chime in.. |
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Location: California | There is a shot alternative to regumate. I don't remember the actual name but I think it is algernest or something similar. I have the paperwork at home and can get back to you. According to my vet depo works well in mares that are not that difficult. My mare has very strong heat cycles and is extremely marish so we're trying the injectable regumate. There is a 30 day shot that is about $70 but you have to ship it overnight and that costs about $60 or there is one you give every 12 days. That one comes in a 7 dose vial for $175 and $10 shipping. That's the route I'm going to try. Just placed my order yesterday after talking to my vet again. I've got my fingers crossed it will help! |
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Location: California | Wanted to add my mare cycles every 2 weeks all year round, but has no internal abnormalities. |
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Location: California | phillyincal - 2014-12-24 8:02 PM There is a shot alternative to regumate. I don't remember the actual name but I think it is algernest or something similar. I have the paperwork at home and can get back to you. According to my vet depo works well in mares that are not that difficult. My mare has very strong heat cycles and is extremely marish so we're trying the injectable regumate. There is a 30 day shot that is about $70 but you have to ship it overnight and that costs about $60 or there is one you give every 12 days. That one comes in a 7 dose vial for $175 and $10 shipping. That's the route I'm going to try. Just placed my order yesterday after talking to my vet again. I've got my fingers crossed it will help!
It's actually called Altrenogest and I ordered it from www.betpharm.com using the prescription from my vet. Good luck!
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| Good luck with this. Both the mares I had to spay did not respond well to either Regumate, shots or any other hormone treatments, natural alternatives, marbles or breeding attempts which is why I had to spay them. Best thing I could have done for either mare. 20ccs (Double dose) did not slow either of them down. Neither did weekly shots.
The thing that would help the first mare was to give her a shot to ovulate , then have the vet come out 3 days later to massage the ovaries and encourage the retained follicles to release. Then she would be right as rain for 21 days, at which time the whole thing stared all over again (actually a shorter useable timeframe as she would get uncomfortable as the follicles were beginning to form. This did not leave me much time for competition.
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | phillyincal - 2014-12-23 9:02 PM There is a shot alternative to regumate. I don't remember the actual name but I think it is algernest or something similar. I have the paperwork at home and can get back to you. According to my vet depo works well in mares that are not that difficult. My mare has very strong heat cycles and is extremely marish so we're trying the injectable regumate. There is a 30 day shot that is about $70 but you have to ship it overnight and that costs about $60 or there is one you give every 12 days. That one comes in a 7 dose vial for $175 and $10 shipping. That's the route I'm going to try. Just placed my order yesterday after talking to my vet again. I've got my fingers crossed it will help!
Can you let me know what results you are getting once you start your mare on this? I'm going to do a followup ultrasound and culture. I'm not sure if my mare is actually cycling right now. She acts like she might be coming in but never really looks in. |
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-24 12:41 PM Good luck with this. Both the mares I had to spay did not respond well to either Regumate, shots or any other hormone treatments, natural alternatives, marbles or breeding attempts which is why I had to spay them. Best thing I could have done for either mare. 20ccs (Double dose) did not slow either of them down. Neither did weekly shots. The thing that would help the first mare was to give her a shot to ovulate , then have the vet come out 3 days later to massage the ovaries and encourage the retained follicles to release. Then she would be right as rain for 21 days, at which time the whole thing stared all over again (actually a shorter useable timeframe as she would get uncomfortable as the follicles were beginning to form. This did not leave me much time for competition. It's quite an educational journey....hang on for the ride!
Did you try anything that was estrogen/progesterone or just progesterone? Trying to figure out what other things to look into. |
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| Chance Of Rein - 2014-12-31 10:25 PM
rodeoveteran - 2014-12-24 12:41 PM Good luck with this. Both the mares I had to spay did not respond well to either Regumate, shots or any other hormone treatments, natural alternatives, marbles or breeding attempts which is why I had to spay them. Best thing I could have done for either mare. 20ccs (Double dose) did not slow either of them down. Neither did weekly shots. The thing that would help the first mare was to give her a shot to ovulate , then have the vet come out 3 days later to massage the ovaries and encourage the retained follicles to release. Then she would be right as rain for 21 days, at which time the whole thing stared all over again (actually a shorter useable timeframe as she would get uncomfortable as the follicles were beginning to form. This did not leave me much time for competition. It's quite an educational journey....hang on for the ride!
Did you try anything that was estrogen/progesterone or just progesterone? Trying to figure out what other things to look into.
I tried everything available ....nothing worked, including estrogen/progesterone shots suggested by Rood and Riddle. Hope you have better luck! |
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-31 9:30 PM Chance Of Rein - 2014-12-31 10:25 PM rodeoveteran - 2014-12-24 12:41 PM Good luck with this. Both the mares I had to spay did not respond well to either Regumate, shots or any other hormone treatments, natural alternatives, marbles or breeding attempts which is why I had to spay them. Best thing I could have done for either mare. 20ccs (Double dose) did not slow either of them down. Neither did weekly shots. The thing that would help the first mare was to give her a shot to ovulate , then have the vet come out 3 days later to massage the ovaries and encourage the retained follicles to release. Then she would be right as rain for 21 days, at which time the whole thing stared all over again (actually a shorter useable timeframe as she would get uncomfortable as the follicles were beginning to form. This did not leave me much time for competition. It's quite an educational journey....hang on for the ride! Did you try anything that was estrogen/progesterone or just progesterone? Trying to figure out what other things to look into. I tried everything available ....nothing worked, including estrogen/progesterone shots suggested by Rood and Riddle. Hope you have better luck!
Thanks. I'm going to keep working at it until I hopefully find something. I'm really hoping that when spring comes she'll cycle normally with the rest of the mares and be done with it. She responds to bute and banamine, on the really bad days, so they are available. She's been used a lot, recently, so they either had her on something that was working or this is out of the norm for her. Prior owner isn't wanting to respond to my questions so I'll go behind her to the barn she just came out of and question some of the people there. Last resort, I'll breed her in 2016. She's had at least 3 healthy foals, that I'm aware of. |
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Location: California | Chance Of Rein - 2015-01-01 8:23 PM phillyincal - 2014-12-23 9:02 PM There is a shot alternative to regumate. I don't remember the actual name but I think it is algernest or something similar. I have the paperwork at home and can get back to you. According to my vet depo works well in mares that are not that difficult. My mare has very strong heat cycles and is extremely marish so we're trying the injectable regumate. There is a 30 day shot that is about $70 but you have to ship it overnight and that costs about $60 or there is one you give every 12 days. That one comes in a 7 dose vial for $175 and $10 shipping. That's the route I'm going to try. Just placed my order yesterday after talking to my vet again. I've got my fingers crossed it will help! Can you let me know what results you are getting once you start your mare on this? I'm going to do a followup ultrasound and culture. I'm not sure if my mare is actually cycling right now. She acts like she might be coming in but never really looks in.
Yes for sure. We're going to do the first shot tomorrow and from what I've read, we might start seeing changes in as soon as a week. I have all my fingers crossed that it will help, otherwise, I will start to consider spaying her since I have no intention of breeding her. |
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