Error encountered in: C:\HostingSpaces\weblevel\forums.barrelhorseworld.com\wwwroot\forum\templates\original\fragments\template-begin.asp
Microsoft VBScript compilation error - Expected statement
Are you offended when...
*almost there*
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2014-11-29 11:44 PM
Subject: Are you offended when...


Expert


Posts: 1446
100010010010010025
Location: California
Someone offers you quite a bit less than you are asking for a horse?
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
memory
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2014-11-29 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Elite Veteran


Posts: 927
50010010010010025
Location: Iowa
I figure its their right to make an offer, I can easily say no, can't blame them for trying.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TheOldGrayMare
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2014-11-30 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Expert


Posts: 4625
2000200050010025
Location: Desert Land
 I've never been offended, but I have had a couple offers that just made me think the offeror was just plain out of touch. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
sorrel horse ranch
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2014-11-30 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Military family

Angel in a Sorrel Coat


Posts: 16030
500050005000100025
Location: In a happy place
No.  For the moment this is a free country.  They are free to offer and you are free to quickly say NOOOOOOO! 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Crowned Image
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-11-30 7:40 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



I Chore in Chucks


Posts: 2882
2000500100100100252525
Location: MD
No, but if it happens over and over again...I would quickly go through why I priced the horse the way that I did and how fast did I want the horse to move. Also, what would cause people to continually throw me low-ball offers, aside from being cheap obviously?
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
suzy2qtee
Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2014-11-30 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Military family

Playing the Waiting Game


Posts: 2304
2000100100100
As long as they don't pick the horse apart for every little flaw.. NO I would not be offended... If they are telling me everything the see wrong with the horse then I get testy... Especially if its a nice horse that I have spent a lot of time on. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
lonely va barrelxr
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2014-11-30 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Reaching for the stars....


Posts: 12708
500050002000500100100
I sold 8 horses in 2013.  ALL of them were sacrifice priced.  The only one that piffed me off on low offers was my BB colt.  He was priced way, way, way below what he was worth, like less than half, and I had one dude call and offer me half of that.  I had to count to 10 to continue the conversation.  During those 10 seconds I considered just hanging up, or ripping the guys head off, and lots of unpleasant things, but ended up saying as politely as possible, "Sorry, no offers accepted."  

I knocked a few hundred off a few others since I could see good fits.  And the last filly I sold I called the gal back after she'd called.  I made her an offer she couldn't refuse.  The filly was barely 14 hands tall and wasn't going to grow much more and this gal was all of 5', a good trainer, and only one state away.

I passed on many potential buyers because they were picking the horses apart.  All these horses were very well bred.  No lamenesses, and two turned out toes (revealed) being the only flaws.  This was a true "my loss, your gain" situation when I lost my job.  
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-11-30 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



BHW Resident Surgeon


Posts: 25352
500050005000500050001001001002525
Location: Bastrop, Texas
No, but I am offended when some people think I am stupid enough to pay their asking price.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
RoaniePonie11
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-11-30 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Expert


Posts: 2685
2000500100252525
It only bothers me when the horse is picked apart. I have been the guy that emails/ calls with a "low ball" offer but because that is truly what I had to spend and I liked the horse enough to try. I did not call/ email picking the horse apart trying to make the owner think it is worth less. That, IMO is rude.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
komet.
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2014-11-30 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Expert


Posts: 4121
20002000100
Location: SE Louisiana
I found a way to stop that in it's tracks.... I just kick it up $100 every time they make a counter-offer...
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Fun2Run
Reg. Jul 2005
Posted 2014-11-30 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



A Barrel Of Monkeys


Posts: 12972
5000500020005001001001001002525
Location: Texas
Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
equussynergy
Reg. Feb 2009
Posted 2014-11-30 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Swiffer PIcker Upper


Posts: 4015
20002000
Location: Four Corners Colorado
It doesn't bother me at all. If you catch me on the right day I might just take it. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TheOldGrayMare
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2014-11-30 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Expert


Posts: 4625
2000200050010025
Location: Desert Land
Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 8:14 AM

Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  

 While generally I would agree with you....I'm happy someone had the balls to make a low ball offer otherwise I wouldn't have a really nice mare that I do right now. My friend saw a really nice mare listed on here and sent an email to the seller. She told the gal that she loved the way the mare was bred and if the girl ever got in a position where she needed the money or would reduce her price to let her know. The seller responded and asked what kind of price my friend had in mind and she threw out a number that was only about 35% of what she was asking. Later that day the seller replied and told her to bring cash and a trailer.You just never know what kind of position someone is in.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Swannranch
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2014-11-30 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Miss Southern Sunshine


Posts: 7427
5000200010010010010025
Location: South Central Florida
No, and I don't really understand why some people are.  The first really good horse we bought for my daughter, we didn't really know a lot about what we were doing.  The horse had been on the market for a while and I offerred half what she was asking.  I told her the horse was everything she said it was, and we were in love, but honestly this is all I have and I hope your not offended.  If I had the full amount I would pay it.  So here is my offer, if you don't get her sold and your interested please consider me.  She said yes immediately.  I wasn't trying tl steel the horse, it was all I had.  She was not offended.

I have had low offers on other items I've sold...never been offended.  I don't understand the people that think you should not look if you don't have the money.  Sometimes its a learning curve, sometimes people as asking high because they expect a lower offer...lots of reasons.  I just say no, but if I don't sell it for more, I'll let you know. 

Now if someone starts trashing something.....I probably won't sell it to them no matter what they offer.

 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TMEquine
Reg. Sep 2012
Posted 2014-11-30 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Mouhahaha


Posts: 1786
1000500100100252525
Location: British Columbia
Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 9:14 AM

Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  

I feel this way too. I have priced the horses I've sold VERY reasonably and there's always that one person that tries to low ball you and say "well I only have this much to offer". If you can't pay for the horse, how can you afford to care for it.

Edited by TMEquine 2014-11-30 12:05 PM
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
GoinJettin
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2014-11-30 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Night Watchman


Posts: 5516
5000500
Location: Central Montana
Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 9:14 AM Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  


Yes!!!! ......This  ^^^^^^^^^^ 

I don't sell often and price more than fairly.  If someone doesn't think my horse is worth the asking price give or take a few hundred dollars then they shouldn't be inquiring.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
JMac
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2014-11-30 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Veteran


Posts: 196
100252525
No! Because the day you need to sell, its worth what the buyer can pay. I have never lost a sale by being somewhat negotiable, and often end up doing partial trades. (IMO it makes things interesting.) Sometimes the best situation for the horse does not have the biggest bank account.
And slightly off topic, it amazes me what some sellers imagine a horse is worth in this day of easily traceable records. That goes both ways too, you shouldn't expect to buy a proven horse for colt price.
And if sellers would just put the price on the ad it would sure save a lot of useless inquiries... or it might get the horse sold to someone who refuses to call on an ad with no price....
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TXBO
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2014-11-30 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Googly Goo


Posts: 7053
500020002525
HotbearLVR - 2014-11-30 8:45 AM No, but I am offended when some people think I am stupid enough to pay their asking price.

 Like
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TXBO
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2014-11-30 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Googly Goo


Posts: 7053
500020002525
Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 10:14 AM Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  
 Just because you don't agree with the asking price doesn't mean you can't afford it. 

People that have acquired wealth didn't get there by being foolish. 


 

Edited by TXBO 2014-11-30 1:15 PM
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
boonboy
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-11-30 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Member


Posts: 33
25
Not offended when somebody offers way less, because I can say no.... but what offends me is when people tell me they cant ride my horse because he is too broke.....really? They make it sound like a bad thing!
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
RunNitroRun
Reg. Oct 2011
Posted 2014-11-30 2:45 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Elite Veteran


Posts: 678
500100252525
Location: Canada
I price my horses according to the local market and I don't over price them just to make a buyer feel like they got a great deal. Occasionally for the right home I'll take a hundred or two less but that's it and that's more because I know it's a great fit and I consider it an advertising gain.

I am offended and annoyed when I show a horse and they ask if the price is firm (normally yes) and they book another showing. I show the horse a second time and after an hour of riding they offer way below what the horse was listed at after they raved about how much they loved it. That I find annoying because typically I have other people interested and I don't want to waste my time showing a horse to someone who isn't going to pay or doesn't have the money to buy the horse. To avoid that I know have people call me to discuss what their needs are, their experience and their goals and for the most part I've been able to weed out the total tire kickers.

I am not offended when someone calls and asks if I would consider an $XX offer because they don't have the entire price listed. This isn't a waste of my time and I appreciate that they are honest. If they have substantially less then I'm listing it for I many know of another horse that is in their price range for sale and can redirect them to that person.

I personally have emailed on behalf of clients for horses that were slightly out of their price range and asked if they would consider $xx dollars because that is all my client has. I always say I don't want to waste their time having them show a horse if it isn't something they'd accept. I have always been thanked for not wasting their time.

↑ Top ↓ Bottom
barlracr429
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2014-11-30 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Expert


Posts: 3534
2000100050025
Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts
The last horse I sold, I had somebody offer 37.5% of my asking price. After multiple conversations and seeing the girl ride the horse, I knew they were a perfect fit. he also had a medical issue that she was fully aware of and prepared to care for the horse. We ended up settling at 50% of my asking price. This girl was 16 and after showing walking horses her entire life, she wanted to get into barrel racing. They were a perfect fit and he went to the best home I could have hoped for. It meant way more to me that he had a good home, good rider fit and somebody to care for him than cash.

I've also been on the end where I showed interest in a horse but when the seller told me the price, I told her that is way out of my price range. I never low balled an offer, just told her I had interest in the bloodlines on her farm but couldn't afford the prices she was advertising. She called me up one day and made me an offer I couldn't refuse. It was 50% less than the previous price she told me.

I'm always happy to negotiate. I've been on both sides of the negotiation. Something is only worth what somebody will pay. And $$ spent on a purchase price does not necessarily mean the animal will get great care.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-11-30 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



BHW Resident Surgeon


Posts: 25352
500050005000500050001001001002525
Location: Bastrop, Texas
All my horses are dead broke and have NFR potential, so when I ask $75-100K for them, I will only talk to serious inquiries, because my offer is firm.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
SmokinBandits
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2014-11-30 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Having Smokin Bandits


Posts: 4572
200020005002525
Location: Woodstown, NJ
Love this thread since I'm horse hunting.

I made an offer about 20% less on a horse that has issues. I felt bad because I really liked the seller and I know she paid more for the horse than what she was selling him for but that is what he was worth to me. Even though her ad said "Must Sell" with many exclamation points, she would not negotiate. I found out someone told her we were in the bag because we looked at the horse three times. (Partly because the owner was unable to ride him and show him properly.) But it was the opposite. If we really liked him, we would have grabbed him right away. And if I thought he was worth it, I certainly would have paid full asking price. I've paid full asking price many times and I've also low-balled and everything in between. The seller seemed a little mad. Maybe she will pop up in the dead of winter with second thoughts if he doesn't sell. Or at least counter back.

It seems like the prices are all over the place lately. I realize that my horse that I paid five grand for a few years ago is worth three grand today. If I'm lucky. I'm glad I'm not selling. But it's not that much fun buying anymore either!
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
BarrelRacing4Christ
Reg. Sep 2010
Posted 2014-11-30 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Military family

Ms. Marine


Posts: 4641
2000200050010025
Location: Texas
TXBO - 2014-11-30 11:12 AM
Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 10:14 AM Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  
 Just because you don't agree with the asking price doesn't mean you can't afford it. 



People that have acquired wealth didn't get there by being foolish. 




 

↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Swannranch
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2014-11-30 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Miss Southern Sunshine


Posts: 7427
5000200010010010010025
Location: South Central Florida
On the Flip side, a couple of years ago my daughters horse got hurt. An acquaintance we have known for some time said my X horse is in the pasture, I hate him, you can run him when ever you want...just come get him. So a few months past and she asked. Sure, come get him.
He was advertised for $5K online and had been for many months. He was a LOT of horse and not many people that rode him could handle him. He was very fast but had a lot of issues. 14 year old gelding. My daughter rode him and fell in love with him, started winning things and we discussed buying him as a back up.
I took him and had him vet checked and the vet said he would not buy the horse...shoulder injury that required at least once a year injections and contracted heels and "changes" in the bones of the front feet (I don't know what that means exactly or how the vet knew it was changed?)
So although they had not told us about these things, we were aware prior that there were some problems.
Farrier said he thought the feet issues could be dealt with for at least 3 or 4 more years then we would have to see but that was what I expected.

We did the math with what my daughter had and what I could help with and we offered $4K. Suddenly the price went up to $7500. My daughter did not bring up the vet check but told her that was all we had and thanked her for letting us use the horse and we returned him.

The add stayed up for $5K for another 2 months BUT then they trashed us and said our offer was a slap in the face. Told people some really mean things about us and it was really sad.

I didn't think my offer was that low, knowing everything I knew, but I also would not tear him down to buy him. I still love that horse. They never even made a counter offer (I really had no more money though), just immediately got angry.

He has been for sale ever since. I never every said a bad word about him, and never will. But not everyone has the same idea of what a horse is worth.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
kuhlmann
Reg. Nov 2008
Posted 2014-11-30 8:18 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Who Wants to Trade?


Posts: 4692
20002000500100252525
Never offended. I figure they know what they're willing to spend and that's fine.

Honestly, when I price things I usually price them at what I think is fair market...unless they aren't advertised...then I price them however I want. LOL

I also price at my "bottom dollar" so if you ask that I'll tell you to bring an offer and we'll talk. I don't negotiate with myself for you. Maybe that's why I like selling yearlings and broodmares. They're easy. 


Edited by kuhlmann 2014-11-30 8:30 PM
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Kry5ta1
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2014-11-30 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Three in a Bikini


Posts: 2035
200025
I hate to think of how many people I have offended on here...
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Fancie_That_Chrome_
Reg. Mar 2012
Posted 2014-12-01 1:04 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Expert


Posts: 1229
100010010025
Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ
kuhlmann - 2014-11-30 7:18 PM

Never offended. I figure they know what they're willing to spend and that's fine.

Honestly, when I price things I usually price them at what I think is fair market...unless they aren't advertised...then I price them however I want. LOL

I also price at my "bottom dollar" so if you ask that I'll tell you to bring an offer and we'll talk. I don't negotiate with myself for you. Maybe that's why I like selling yearlings and broodmares. They're easy. 

"I also price at my "bottom dollar" so if you ask that I'll tell you to bring an offer and we'll talk. I don't negotiate with myself for you."

Love this, and definitely going to hang onto that. I dislike when I say make an offer, and someone says "whats your lowest?"
Thats why i said make an offer... /rolls eyes
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Fancie_That_Chrome_
Reg. Mar 2012
Posted 2014-12-01 1:13 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Expert


Posts: 1229
100010010025
Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ
Now to answer the question.
Yes & No.
If the offer is way way low in my own mind yeah i'll be a little like "Yikes" but I respond kindly, and if i'm negotiable on the horse i let them know and we go from there.
Mostly I don't get offended because as others said you can say no and its no problem. and when you're a buyer everyone (almost everyone) wants a deal. 

AND there is a horse i am thinking of imparticular that has been on the market for quite some time now, and when originally posted the horse was over priced (in my opinion, AND apparently others) As the horse did not sell for sometime. The seller was FIRM on said price. People stopped inquiring, so the price started dropping and was now negotiable.

So another reason why i think making offers is perfectly ok is because some times a seller may not price their horse(s) correctly according to the market and their value. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TMEquine
Reg. Sep 2012
Posted 2014-12-01 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Mouhahaha


Posts: 1786
1000500100100252525
Location: British Columbia
TXBO - 2014-11-30 12:12 PM

Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 10:14 AM Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  
 Just because you don't agree with the asking price doesn't mean you can't afford it. 

People that have acquired wealth didn't get there by being foolish. 


 

No, but they do say that the rich get rich by being cheap. Lol
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Crowned Image
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-12-01 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



I Chore in Chucks


Posts: 2882
2000500100100100252525
Location: MD
TXBO - 2014-11-30 2:12 PM
Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 10:14 AM Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  
 Just because you don't agree with the asking price doesn't mean you can't afford it. 



People that have acquired wealth didn't get there by being foolish. 




 

↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TXBO
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2014-12-01 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Googly Goo


Posts: 7053
500020002525
TMEquine - 2014-12-01 8:16 AM
TXBO - 2014-11-30 12:12 PM
Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 10:14 AM Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  
 Just because you don't agree with the asking price doesn't mean you can't afford it. 



People that have acquired wealth didn't get there by being foolish. 




 
No, but they do say that the rich get rich by being cheap. Lol

 Many would say frugal.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TMEquine
Reg. Sep 2012
Posted 2014-12-01 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Mouhahaha


Posts: 1786
1000500100100252525
Location: British Columbia
TXBO - 2014-12-01 7:25 AM

TMEquine - 2014-12-01 8:16 AM
TXBO - 2014-11-30 12:12 PM
Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 10:14 AM Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  
 Just because you don't agree with the asking price doesn't mean you can't afford it. 



People that have acquired wealth didn't get there by being foolish. 




 
No, but they do say that the rich get rich by being cheap. Lol

 Many would say frugal.

Frugal is a politically correct term for cheap
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
roxieannie
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2014-12-01 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Dog Resuce Agent


Posts: 3459
200010001001001001002525
Location: southeast Texas
 In my mind, frugal is quality at a good price. Cheep is just that,,,,,cheep.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TXBO
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2014-12-01 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Googly Goo


Posts: 7053
500020002525
TMEquine - 2014-12-01 8:31 AM
TXBO - 2014-12-01 7:25 AM
TMEquine - 2014-12-01 8:16 AM
TXBO - 2014-11-30 12:12 PM
Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 10:14 AM Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  
 Just because you don't agree with the asking price doesn't mean you can't afford it. 



People that have acquired wealth didn't get there by being foolish. 




 
No, but they do say that the rich get rich by being cheap. Lol
 Many would say frugal.
Frugal is a politically correct term for cheap

 Lol!
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
~BINGO~
Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2014-12-01 9:47 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Serious Snap Trapper


Posts: 4275
20002000100100252525
Location: In The Snow, AZ
 I'll be the odd one out when it comes to pricing. I always price high. Not astronomically more than I feel they're worth. But I always go a few hundred high. People want to feel like they got a deal. They want to think they knocked the price down and made it more worthwhile. I'm not saying everyone is like that, but many are. If I price high, sometimes I make more than I thought I would, other times, the buyer will negotiate me down to where I wanted to get anyways. It works for me. I have sold plenty of horses to great homes this way.

A few months ago, we had a 22 year old mustang pony gelding. He was somewhat arthritic, lame unless he had front shoes. Had sweet itch prior to us buying him, had rubbed out his tail and had no mane. He was a grumpy old man. We bought him for our daughter, who decided she didn't want to ride. So he sat for a while. I advertised him as a slow going, older horse. Good for kids, walk and maybe trot. Needs maintanaince as far as arthritis and feet goes. Priced him well above what I should probably have gotten. Had a few people look at him wanting a "trail horse to go all day". They picked this old man apart and still had the gall to offer $ for him. I said no thanks due to knowing he was not able to perform what they were wanting. It wouldn't have been fair and I would have kept him before allowing that.

Sold him at full price to a mom and young son. They just wanted a companion for their goats and to hand walk him behind their house. The mom had always wanted a horse, but was in an accident as a child preventing her from physically being able to ride. It was the perfect home for the old boy.


Edited by ~BINGO~ 2014-12-01 9:48 AM
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
SKM
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2014-12-01 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Saint Stacey


500050005000500050005000500050010010010010025
 No, I wouldn't be offended. I know fair market value. If they don't like the price, that's their problem. I am still the owner so I have the ability to say no. If it's ridiculously low, I would just laugh and figure the horse is better off without being owned by them anyhow.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
klutz02
Reg. Aug 2010
Posted 2014-12-02 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Extreme Veteran


Posts: 304
100100100
Location: SW North Dakota
I had a really nice Dash for Perks gelding for sale at $7500. I had a gal call on him and was super interested in him. Sounded like a nice home so I got excited. Then she started talking about how it was winter and how times have been tough and the economy just isn't what it use to be. Then she said that it was going to be like $1000 to ship him to her place and offered me something like $4000. I told her no...that I wasn't willing to deal that low on him. I then said that maybe she should look for something a little closer to home to avoid the shipping costs or to look at something priced a little cheaper so she could afford the shipping. Thats what I do when I'm looking. She immediately got PISSED at me for suggesting that she couldn't afford the horse. Said she had two pro caliber 1D horses at home that were worth big money and that she had a shipper on hold to come up to pick my horse up but that she would have to pass on my horse because of my poor business practices. Since when is suggesting looking at something closer to your budget poor business practice????? I seriously thought that this lady was crazy for blowing .

I sold him a month later for full asking price to an awesome home that was perfect for him. I don't mind entertaining offers on a horse, but not for half off.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
FlyingJT
Reg. Jan 2014
Posted 2014-12-02 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Expert


Posts: 1857
10005001001001002525
TXBO - 2014-11-30 1:12 PM

Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 10:14 AM Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  
 Just because you don't agree with the asking price doesn't mean you can't afford it. 

People that have acquired wealth didn't get there by being foolish. 


 

Like
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
angelica
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2014-12-02 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


I Really Love Jeans


Posts: 3173
200010001002525
Location: North Dakota
No I usually just say thanks anyway but sorry I can not!  I had someone offer me $100 for a registered unbroke two year old that I had listed for $2500, he had a good  bloodline and was well worth what I was asking, when I said no I was attacked big time and actually cussed out. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
OregonBR
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2014-12-02 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Military family

Champ


Posts: 19623
50005000500020002000500100
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm
It depends on the persons attitude and what they think they can offer my horse.  Yes I just said that.  I do make concessions to people IF they have something they can offer the horse AND to me in the way of exposure and good advertising/promotion.  Like they are a good trainer/competitor and are planning to futurity or can compete at a high level.  I don't give concessions on price to people who hide their identity or act like they are doing ME a favor by being interested in my horse.  Start tearing my horse or my program apart and I'm not interested in talking to you anymore.  Shipping cost is something the buyer needs to think about before contacting me; not my problem so don't go there.   

I've bought horses for half their asking price before, by NOT being rude and abusive to the owner. In fact the opposite. I tell them the truth.  How I really want that horse for my program.  WHY would I try to diminish the quality of a horse that I obviously want to buy.  What does that say about me? 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Herbie
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-12-02 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Military family

Whack and Roll


Posts: 6342
5000100010010010025
Location: NE Texas
OregonBR - 2014-12-02 2:12 PM It depends on the persons attitude and what they think they can offer my horse.  Yes I just said that.  I do make concessions to people IF they have something they can offer the horse AND to me in the way of exposure and good advertising/promotion.  Like they are a good trainer/competitor and are planning to futurity or can compete at a high level.  I don't give concessions on price to people who hide their identity or act like they are doing ME a favor by being interested in my horse.  Start tearing my horse or my program apart and I'm not interested in talking to you anymore.  Shipping cost is something the buyer needs to think about before contacting me; not my problem so don't go there.   



I've bought horses for half their asking price before, by NOT being rude and abusive to the owner. In fact the opposite. I tell them the truth.  How I really want that horse for my program.  WHY would I try to diminish the quality of a horse that I obviously want to buy.  What does that say about me? 

Very well said and you are obviously a good business woman!   
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Gunner11
Reg. Mar 2011
Posted 2014-12-02 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Cute Little Imp


Posts: 2747
200050010010025
Location: N Texas
OregonBR - 2014-12-02 2:12 PM It depends on the persons attitude and what they think they can offer my horse.  Yes I just said that.  I do make concessions to people IF they have something they can offer the horse AND to me in the way of exposure and good advertising/promotion.  Like they are a good trainer/competitor and are planning to futurity or can compete at a high level.  I don't give concessions on price to people who hide their identity or act like they are doing ME a favor by being interested in my horse.  Start tearing my horse or my program apart and I'm not interested in talking to you anymore.  Shipping cost is something the buyer needs to think about before contacting me; not my problem so don't go there.   



I've bought horses for half their asking price before, by NOT being rude and abusive to the owner. In fact the opposite. I tell them the truth.  How I really want that horse for my program.  WHY would I try to diminish the quality of a horse that I obviously want to buy.  What does that say about me? 

Exactly! If my horse has so many flaws that you have to point them all out to negotiate a lower price, then why would you even want to buy it?! And then later on if you decide to sell it, how will you ever sell a horse with so many flaws??
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
MS2011
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2014-12-02 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Own It and Move On


20002000100100100100
Location: The edge of no where
Herbie - 2014-12-02 2:22 PM
OregonBR - 2014-12-02 2:12 PM It depends on the persons attitude and what they think they can offer my horse.  Yes I just said that.  I do make concessions to people IF they have something they can offer the horse AND to me in the way of exposure and good advertising/promotion.  Like they are a good trainer/competitor and are planning to futurity or can compete at a high level.  I don't give concessions on price to people who hide their identity or act like they are doing ME a favor by being interested in my horse.  Start tearing my horse or my program apart and I'm not interested in talking to you anymore.  Shipping cost is something the buyer needs to think about before contacting me; not my problem so don't go there.   



I've bought horses for half their asking price before, by NOT being rude and abusive to the owner. In fact the opposite. I tell them the truth.  How I really want that horse for my program.  WHY would I try to diminish the quality of a horse that I obviously want to buy.  What does that say about me? 
Very well said and you are obviously a good business woman!   

^this!

It doesn't bother me if someone offers me less than I'm asking (I've never bought one without trying to get someone else to come down).  I'll typically laugh at them and just do the 'thanks anyway'........end of conversation. Can't blame them for trying.

 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
T turning 3
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2014-12-02 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Purveyor of unconventional wisdom


Posts: 17112
5000500050002000100
Location: CA
I have X amount of money I can spend.  I will ask if they will take less and tell them my amount.  I make sure they know I am not devaluing the horse, but I just can't pay what they are asking.  Some keep my name in case the horse doesn't sell, other just say no.  I know it is rather rude, but I like certain horses and off it up just in case.   
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
dianeguinn
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-12-02 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Lady Di


Posts: 21556
500050005000500010005002525
Location: Oklahoma
I'm never offended at an offer. If it's something I can't take, I will tell them what I WILL take and if they can't do that, I say ok, thanks for the interest. At least they're looking at my horse, so that says something! What makes me mad is when I ACCEPT an offer and I never hear from them again!!! If you're going to make an offer, then be prepared to pay up and take the horse if it's accepted!! I also don't like them to ask my bottom dollar....I tell them "make an offer"...they won't do that because they're worried they might pay more than I'd take. Well, too bad, so sad....I don't do bottom dollar. ;-) If you want my horse for less than it's advertised, then make me an offer and we'll talk. lol And as you can see by my signature, I have several we can talk about! :)

Edited by dianeguinn 2014-12-02 7:03 PM
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
grinandbareit
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2014-12-02 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Go For It!


20001000500100100
Location: Texas
TXBO - 2014-11-30 1:12 PM

Fun2Run - 2014-11-30 10:14 AM Yes. If they can't afford the horse, they shouldn't even inquire.  
 Just because you don't agree with the asking price doesn't mean you can't afford it. 

People that have acquired wealth didn't get there by being foolish. 


 


ABSOLUTELY!!!

↑ Top ↓ Bottom
*almost there*
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2014-12-03 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Expert


Posts: 1446
100010010010010025
Location: California
HotbearLVR - 2014-11-30 2:24 PM All my horses are dead broke and have NFR potential, so when I ask $75-100K for them, I will only talk to serious inquiries, because my offer is firm.

 What is your criteria for pricing horses? Interested in learning!
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2014-12-03 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Expert


Posts: 3782
20001000500100100252525
Location: Gainesville, TX
I'm not offended. I know some people, even great homes, only have so much. I'll often take a name (in case I can't find a buyer) and then tell them I want to take a bit longer to see if I can get more. I think I do a decent job at pricing around market value. I also don't mind listing mine just a little high so I can afford to come down. I usually have some form of base price already in mind. It makes us both feel good because they felt like they got a deal and I feel like I got what I wanted. I do try to price mine as close to market as possible by looking at sold ads and recent sales though.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
wyoming barrel racer
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2014-12-03 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Military family

Neat Freak


Posts: 11216
500050001000100100
Location: Wonderful Wyoming
T turning 3 - 2014-12-02 5:43 PM I have X amount of money I can spend.  I will ask if they will take less and tell them my amount.  I make sure they know I am not devaluing the horse, but I just can't pay what they are asking.  Some keep my name in case the horse doesn't sell, other just say no.  I know it is rather rude, but I like certain horses and off it up just in case.   

Being up front and doing what you are doing, is not rude in my opinion.  If I can let one go cheaper and think it is a great fit, I usually do. If I am on the fence about selling, or have one priced low already, I usually won't budge on the price.

I will say that I have had a couple NFR girls offer on broodmares and young yearling-2's that I have priced super cheap. So far most have been overly obnoxious in their emails and really burned me from wanting to send one there. I guess because they have competed with the elite, they think we should just bow down and give them horses??  One was a pretty easy going gelding, 2yrs and unstarted. Sound and futurity eligible. I had a couple others the same age I wanted to keep, can't ride them all so priced him at $1250. She would send me an email a month asking all the same questions and trying to offer 1/2.  After 3 of these, I politely told her she inquires on him every month, and his info is all the same. I sold him a week later to a nice home back east for my asking price. 

I have greatly discounted horses to top names in the area that futurity and rodeo. They take them, ride them for 60 days, add their name to the sale ad and sell them for 5x what they paid me-hell of a turn around when they agreement was for them to compete on them. I understand if the horse just didn't have it, but one in particular was a nice filly that went on to win some money around here. That offends me when I am taking advantage of.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
linds
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2014-12-03 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...


Expert


Posts: 2531
200050025
Location: WI
Not at all.  Everything is negotiable.  I'll admit, I start mine off a little high.  You can always lower the price, but not so much raise it.  If you aren't getting bites, then you know it's too high.

Whether a horse is priced fairly or not, they continue to cost their owners money everyday.  Why would a seller sit on a horse for an extra 3 mos, when they could have sold the horse for $500 under asking price?
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
rodeomom13
Reg. Apr 2008
Posted 2014-12-03 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



I'm not opinionated


Posts: 4597
20002000500252525
Location: Online
As long as they don't talk price until after they have ridden the horse. If my horse is priced at $30,000 and they call, ask 100 questions, and say all they have to spend is $20,000, that drives me crazy. If that is the case, then don't waste my time. Now if they show up, ride the horse, and then discuss price, I may negotiate. It just depends. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
pinx05
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2014-12-03 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Chicken Chick


Posts: 3562
200010005002525
Location: Texas
  it doesnt offend me. What does though is when people are rude about it, or act like i am an idiot. I was selling a dog once, lady said she would talk to her husband. She called me back later and said "well i found a dog that is better then yours for cheaper. I won't buy yours unless you go down on your price." I told her basically she was a lier, if she had found a better dog for cheaper it would be a no brainer, buy the better dog. I said some more things and hung up. She called the next day offering to pay full price. I didnt sell her the dog, i would have kept it first.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Leo
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2014-12-03 9:43 PM
Subject: RE: Are you offended when...



Night Chat Leader


Posts: 13150
50005000200010001002525
Location: Home....Smiling M Farms
I've had one that made me mad, but it was a bit of a different situation.

I had a broodmare for sale, open. Lady lived about 6 hours from me and agreed to my asking price. She was going to come pick her up that weekend with cash. She then called the day she was supposed to be there and said something had come up, it was now going to be the following weekend. I said that's fine, horse is still for sale.

So then she called back later that week and said she was coming that weekend, which was fine with me. She then asked me to have the mare US to see where she was in her cycle, as she wanted to breed her as soon as she was able. So I took her and had her US and the mare was ready to ovulate. I called her when I was leaving the vets office and told her she'd have to wait until her next cycle, since she was ovulating today or tomorrow.

Then the lady proceeds to tell me she doesn't think she can pay what I'm asking, even though we've already discussed it. Offers me half and wants me to deliver the mare......I hung up. Took the mare home and bred her. lol
↑ Top ↓ Bottom