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Location: The best kept secret in TX | To some it may seem silly to pray for what I'm about to ask your prayers for... But I really need Prayers for Mr. Lee (my gelding) tonight. The General has been dropping weight and appetite for about two days...I know it's ulcers. He won't eat pelleted ulcer meds. He spits out liquid medication and he refuses to drink water. He stands in a corner chews his gums and has spit running out of his mouth trying to sooth his own stomach. So far tonight I've shot 3 gatorades down his throat with a syringe trying to keep him hydrated and make him drink. I've dosed him with probiotics and ulcer aid and I've coated his stomach with pro cmc and stomach soother. Gave it a few hours and I just checked his feed. He's nibbling hay but no feed. I even set out non medicated beet pulp and pellets in hopes he would eat that instead of the medicated feed and he hasn't. I don't know what else to do. I have sat on my knees by him and cried in his stall long enough. I have prayed because that's all I know to do at this point. I don't want to have to feed him through a tube again twice a day just to keep him alive. I don't want to have to put him in a sling to keep him up. I just got weight back on him from a relapse a year ago. He's 7 years old for crying out loud and I haven't gotten to really show him at all because of his health. I need a miracle only God himself can perform! Please pray for my love!!!
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Can you turn him out on pasture somewhere?
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | He's on pasture all day. 100 acres actually. I bring them up to feed them and then turn them out after they finish eating. He has the same routine every day. I haven't changed a thing. He is used to being in a stall to eat and then turned out.
Eta thank you for praying
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Here he is tonight. You can start to his his ribs and his hip looks terrible.
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Location: Texas | Prayers! Do the ulcer meds not work on him? Maybe he needs an ulcer preventative year round... |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | He's been on 707 digestive essentials for a long while now and it helped a TON with keeping them in check. I ran out a week ago and no one had any in stock of the smaller cheaper bucket I can afford. They only had the $135 one. I just got some in today. That's why I know it's gotta be ulcers... I had it shipped over night and it still took a week to get. I should've grabbed him something in the mean time but I honestly thought he would be fine...
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Location: Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2014-12-04 12:31 AM He's been on 707 digestive essentials for a long while now and it helped a TON with keeping them in check. I ran out a week ago and no one had any in stock of the smaller cheaper bucket I can afford. They only had the $135 one. I just got some in today. That's why I know it's gotta be ulcers... I had it shipped over night and it still took a week to get. I should've grabbed him something in the mean time but I honestly thought he would be fine... Eta thank you also for praying
Wow that's crazy.. Idk if that stuff expires but maybe when you have some extra cash try and get a bucket to keep as a backup in case this ever happens again? I have a feeling he will feel better in the morning after some meds! |
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Location: Oklahoma | Could there be something else going on to cause this extreme? Something has to be causing the ulcers. prayers! |
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Has he sen a vet? I had one with ulcers, treated him with paste meds- you can get them online fairly inexpensively- 2 doses and he was feeling better. Draw will also help with ulcers. You have to get his stomach feeling better. Mine would eat alfalfa but not grain. I enventually took all mine off grain. They get renew gold in a little soaked beet pulp for volume, alfalfa for protein, vitamin supplement. They do not have to have grain to get their nutrition needs met. Mine are also out grazing on 100 acres. Get him a bale of alfalfa and slowly introduce it to him so he is not hungry. Alfalfa will also soothe his stomach but will not cure the ulcers so get some meds too. Good luck.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Thank you all so much for the prayers. This morning when I walked outside I started bawling... He was alert and nickered for me at this fence. I let him into his stall and he went straight to the hay. Not big bites. Not often. But he was alert and hungry.
I called the vet and He is sending me some paste today to work. He said if he gets any worse to call him and he will come out. But there isn't really anything else he thinks it could be. He said given the symptoms and his temperment in the video I sent him last night, He believes it is ulcers as well. He can't seem to grasp that he was only off 707 for a week and he is already hurting this bad. He said that doesn't sound normal and he is concerned.
I would love to be able to give him alfalfa. But he is alergic. Vet said to continue with the stomach soothers and beet pulp. He said to try Renew Gold and pull the pellets. He wouldn't suggest Alfalfa given Lee's history with alfalfa. So He pretty much told me to do what everyone suggested lol.
I'm not going to breathe just yet. I'll check him when I get home, but seeing those ears up and that sparkle in those big brown eyes made me cry and made me greatful.
God is good. All the time. Keep the prayers and suggestions coming. I'll try anything to help him.
Also, Probios paste or Full Bucket Probiotic paste? I gave him one tube of Fullbuckets probiotic last night but the label says two a day for 5 days.... $$$$ Pros and cons of both?
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | BarrelRacing4Christ - 2014-12-04 11:34 AM
Continuing to pray for your big guy. Thank you for the update!
Thank you so very much! He's a big baby when he is sick. lol |
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| Have you tried Ranitidine? Get it from the vet....scoop morning and night...Administer it orally by putting it in syringe with small amount of water...this way you know he is getting the ulcer medication. then once he is eating (typically after 5 days of this medication) you can mix it with his grain.
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Location: Montana | We have a young that developed gastric and hind gut ulcers. After treatment with Ulcergard we kept him on two qt plain yogurt daily. He loved it,looked and felt great. |
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| Run and keep 'em up - 2014-12-05 10:28 AM
Have you tried Ranitidine? Get it from the vet....scoop morning and night...Administer it orally by putting it in syringe with small amount of water...this way you know he is getting the ulcer medication. then once he is eating (typically after 5 days of this medication) you can mix it with his grain.
I keep some on hand at all times!! Bottle in the barn, house, and trailer. The cost is low and the results are good. |
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| Only Ulcergard/Gastrogard are FDA approved to cure ulcers. After you do a 30 day treatment then I think it's good to use any of the different brands of ulcer preventatives. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Thank you all so very much for the prayers and the suggestions. It means a lot. It's brings tears to my eyes to see how many BB's care...
I have been in touch with a fellow BB on here (getacheck) and she has gotten me a tube of Animal Element ITZ paste that I am going to try. (So Thankful for her and her kindness! God sure did use her today to bless me and my horse and I'm thankful she listened to his guidance in assisting me.)
He was worse this morning. Absolutely no feed was touched and no hay or water was touched. He was standing in the corner of his stall stretching out his neck, back hunched, and head up and out moaning. He would then put his head into a neutral position and grind his teeth working up spit to swallow. After a few minutes of this and swallowing the spit he would start to stretch out again and moan.
I'm at my wits end. Vet said he will try and work me in saturday. I can't pay emergency pricing for the Vet as payment is due before treatment.
Getacheck has put me in contact with a mobile vet whom I am about to phone. We think he may be impacted at the front of his stomach. I am hoping he can help.
I'll update you all soon. It isn't looking good....
Please continue to pray for him. he has more sentimental value to me than anything I've ever owned. Please pray for The General.
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Location: Bastrop, TX | Prayers for you and your horse. Temporary fix we have used is pepto bismal and plain yogurt. Believe we gave 10cc of each in big syringe or you can mix together. I also give this to my dog when she has had a belly ache. Ask your vet first. |
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Location: Memphis, TN | I would look at putting him on Forco since this is an ongoing issue. I highly recommend Total Health Enhancement's GastroPlus. I would call and talk to Bob and see if he can help you out. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | jake16 - 2014-12-06 2:30 PM THINKING OF YOU AND PRAYING ALL IS OK.
Thank you Jake16. I appreciate all the prayers and thoughts you guys. My SO and I were talking tonight about BHW and how much help and support we and Mr. Lee have gotten. We said a prayer for him tonight before we went to feed again and I'm still praying now.
Still grinding his teeth and slobbering but he is nibbling at his feed. He ate a full metal 2lb scoop of beet pulp with his medicines in it. He responded well to the ITZ paste and I'm hearing gut sounds and he is pooping so I didn't call the vet yet.
He has eaten about a quarter of a square I coastal and noticed when the mare was being let into her stall and nickered at her.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | barrelracin85 - 2014-12-05 10:03 PM
I would look at putting him on Forco since this is an ongoing issue. I highly recommend Total Health Enhancement's GastroPlus. I would call and talk to Bob and see if he can help you out.
Thank you so much. What is Forco ? |
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Location: OH. IO | SO GLAD HE IS HANGING IN THERE. I DO THINK A GOOD VET IS NEEDED FOR HIM AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND FORCO AS WEL LOOK IT UP AND READ ABOUT IT...IT MAKES A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE IN THE GUT.also there is a board buddy on here that is a dealer.also T H E GASTRO PLUS IS A GOOD IDEA.
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Location: Memphis, TN | IRunOnFaith - 2014-12-06 7:19 PM
barrelracin85 - 2014-12-05 10:03 PM
I would look at putting him on Forco since this is an ongoing issue. I highly recommend Total Health Enhancement's GastroPlus. I would call and talk to Bob and see if he can help you out.
Thank you so much. What is Forco ?
Here is some info on their website:
http://www.forco.com/products/horsesupp
Also I don't recall if you said, is your beet pulp molasses free or does it have molasses in it?
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Location: Memphis, TN | Also wanted to ask, what does he do when he eats alfalfa? You mentioned he was allergic so I was curious his symptoms. I would look at getting some type of hay pellet. TSC carries a few types. Maybe Timothy would work for him. How good is your hay quality? Silly question to ask but sometimes what we think is "good" hay is really sub par. I like to feed each of mine at least 20-25 lbs of forage/hay a day. I would offer him the hay, use hay pellets as feed or as a booster with your feed, and get him on Forco for sure. Eliminate as much if not all the molasses that you can. Again I highly recommend THE. I would do at least one tub of the fasting formula https://totalhealthenhance.com/equine/products/?route=product/produc... and then put him on the daily dose of top dress formula. |
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| I would get him on Alfalfa Hay. It slows the gut down. The Horse will then digest his food better. Timothy hay is also a good choice. Sr feed and then Tech Mix Restart. Digestive also added to feed. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Sorry to be MIA.
Again, and as a refresher to the new people who are trying to help me:
I CANNOT FEED ALFALFA (as much as it may help): He breaks out in hives, a fever, and it upsets his stomach to the point where he cannot stand up. He lays on his side and moans. Vet said he's never had a horse to do that.
I did pull his pelleted feed last week after a Board Buddy suggested I pull it.
I feed Molasses free beet pulp pellets that are soaked in warm water for him as it is a bit nippy in the mornings.
He gets Fast Track, 707 digestive pellets, stomach soother, full bucket probiotic was used for 5 days, and I did use THE Animal Element ITZ paste 4 dose, and last but not least he gets 707 Glo N Go all on top of his beet pulp.
He gets fed twice a day by hand in a stall which he is used to, and then gets turned out onto 120 acres with a hay feeder of free choice coastal hay.
As far as the quality of hay, I would guess it is good quality coastal as it keeps my mare just as fat as can be. It is fine cut and it is this years hay. I get it from a family friend at a discounted rate. I have always bought from him. (Not saying I'm not open to it not being good quality, but I have never had a problem with it...)
As far as an update goes I don't have much: He continues to loose weight, and continues to chew and slobber. His He has stopped moaning and is eating his feed a bit better than last week. Still not all of it but it's a start. He is eating hay a little quicker than before but now he is dunking it in his water bucket before he eats it?
I know I need to call the vet today that a fellow BB recommended and ask to oil him for an impaction just to make sure everything is ok and not nothing is stopped up. I'm selling some tack and a few items on Facebook today in order to have the money to do that.
Please keep praying and also pray that I will have the money to have a vet actually come out and look at him instead of just me sending videos and talking to a vet.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Figured I would update the rest of the BBs who hadn't Emailed me to see how he was doing. Kind of forgot to over the Holliday....
Mr. Lee went down again around Christmas BUT luckily I had the cash in my pocket to call for my vet this time instead of trying to mask the symptoms. (To God be the Glory for the cash.)
Sure enough: He was impacted!! (I cried because I knew It was my fault he was in pain for so long...) Vet oiled him and went ahead and checked his teeth over as well. He said his teeth were fine but to bring him in more regularly for check ups before he got that bad again. I had to agree with that slap on the wrist. I mean only have two horses for crying out loud! It shouldn't be that hard for me to keep up with basic maintenece for them and when it's due/ over due.
Anyway, Flash forward to this week:
Man can that boy eat!!! I have changed his feed up per the vet as he didn't think he was getting enough forage in his diet. Working off the advice of my vet he now gets 8 pounds of Timothy Hay pellets (he is alergic to Alfalfa), 707 Digestive essentials and FastTrack. I have cut out every other product. He gets free choice coastal and hand fed Bermuda squares. Little known fact to me Vet said horses need about 20lbs of just forage a day. Didn't know the exact poundage for hay. Felt terrible after seeing what I was feeding him compared to what I should've been feeding. Poor boy... No wonder he was sick....
Anyway, He looks great compared to what he was in my opinion! I'll try and take pics for ya'll to see him tomorrow morning. Mr. Lee is doing great! And I'm so thrilled because now I know what I did wrong and I take full responsability for that and I know it won't happen again! I Learned a lot in these past few months about basic nutrition from you all. Thank you all so much for all the insight and for caring for and helping my boy. Many Many Thanks. So happy!!  |
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Location: OH. IO | So glad he is ok. I WILL TELL YOU I WAS WORRIED! Glad you got the vet and so happy you learned some things as well! We are never so smart we cant learn right! Great update.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Edited: I didn't see your update when I posted. Good news and glad he is OK.
I think he has something else pain wise, that is causing his ulcers. Something other than internal fretting. I have one that I am treating with a 14 day med from pathogenes.com. I sent blood work in and it showed he had some inflammation. They recommended Orogin for EPM, but after I called in and actually got to talk to the vet there, she is thinking he has an inflammation issue, probably from cutting his foot last April, that can actually make them neurological. He has some strange things going on, but not exactly EPM stuff and not exactly lame. Ulcers was something she wants him treated for since it can cause the bleeding/inflammation. I just wonder if your guy has something else going on causing him pain, which causes the ulcers. Viscous cycle :(
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