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| Without going into a VERY long story. When I talked to AQHA about the lady who won't sign my foals breeding report AQHA said they would contact her regarding the consequences. I didn't think to ask at the time, but what are the consequences? I'm guessing she won't be able to breed anymore, but I don't know if she plans to anyway. Will she still be able to register horses? How long does she get this slap on the wrist for? |
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| She was the owner of the stallion and mare at the time of breeding. Bought the mare bred, had her sign the papers so I could register the foal. Said she submitted a breeding report. Tried to register the foal and there is no breeding report. Won't sign it now.
Now I know I should have checked to see if there was a breeding report. Hard lesson learned.
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Location: Kansas | cn1705 - 2014-12-09 1:56 PM She was the owner of the stallion and mare at the time of breeding. Bought the mare bred, had her sign the papers so I could register the foal. Said she submitted a breeding report. Tried to register the foal and there is no breeding report. Won't sign it now. Now I know I should have checked to see if there was a breeding report. Hard lesson learned.
what a witch! Can you register the foal based off of a DNA test? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I honestly don't know...other than ask AQHA to help. Is it a case of maybe she doesn't have the money to submit the stallion report? Are you sure, both stallion and mare are registered in the woman's name? |
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| Yes they both were for sure. I offered to pay all the fee's. She just told me she sold the horse cheap in her divorce and clearly is still pissed about it. I didn't know though, I saw a good deal and took it. :( I even offered her money to help make up for it. Said she would think about it. My only other option is to try to find her husbands info and see if he can sign (horses are under both their names) AQHA said I don't need both signatures, but not sure how to find him...or what hes like... scared at this point. Shes hasn't been nice.
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| WrapN3MN - 2014-12-09 2:08 PM
It sounds like AQHA is already taking care of it. The OP is just asking if anyone knows what kind of consequences she will have to deal with for refusing to sign.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:10 PM Yes they both were for sure. I offered to pay all the fee's. She just told me she sold the horse cheap in her divorce and clearly is still pissed about it. I didn't know though, I saw a good deal and took it. :( I even offered her money to help make up for it. Said she would think about it. My only other option is to try to find her husbands info and see if he can sign (horses are under both their names) AQHA said I don't need both signatures, but not sure how to find him...or what hes like... scared at this point. Shes hasn't been nice. Can I do DNA? That would be amazing!!! I called the ex wife when trying to register one and she was pissed. She didn't know the bred mare had sold at a rinky dink sale and was super pissed to find out how much I paid. So, I tracked the husband down and begged him. He was nicer than she was even though he told me that I basically stole the mare at the sale......which I knew. So, if he has the ability to sign, I'd be his new stalker.
eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | 3ToBurn - 2014-12-09 2:21 PM AQHA does not referee business dealings. The stallion owner is not required to file a stallion report on anything, there are no consequences for not filling a report. Your best bet is to be nice to the lady and try to sweet talk her, but from the sounds of it she sold the horse as is because she didn't want the headache then or now. If you paid grade price you probably bought a grade horse. This is why people should buy from reputable breeders, otherwise you never know what you are going to get.
This is no different than anything else in life, if you buy a cheap car from a company that is going out of business, it isn't going to do anything reporting them to the better business bureau.
If it were me, I count it as lesson learned and move on with life.
Orrr, hire someone to beat the crap out of her.
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-09 2:16 PM
cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:10 PM Yes they both were for sure. I offered to pay all the fee's. She just told me she sold the horse cheap in her divorce and clearly is still pissed about it. I didn't know though, I saw a good deal and took it. :( I even offered her money to help make up for it. Said she would think about it. My only other option is to try to find her husbands info and see if he can sign (horses are under both their names) AQHA said I don't need both signatures, but not sure how to find him...or what hes like... scared at this point. Shes hasn't been nice. Can I do DNA? That would be amazing!!! I called the ex wife when trying to register one and she was pissed. She didn't know the bred mare had sold at a rinky dink sale and was super pissed to find out how much I paid. So, I tracked the husband down and begged him. He was nicer than she was even though he told me that I basically stole the mare at the sale......which I knew. So, if he has the ability to sign, I'd be his new stalker.
eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that.
"eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that." You are brilliant lol!
I do get why she is upset, but why screw someone else? Pretty sure everyone has had awful stuff happen, I don't get the point of being bitter to a stranger. It's not like I want to register the horse so I can sell her an make a profit. I bought the broodmare, foaled her out, sold her, and kept the foal for my new prospect. Its not the end of the world if I can't register her, but I REALLY would like too!
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:25 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-09 2:16 PM cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:10 PM Yes they both were for sure. I offered to pay all the fee's. She just told me she sold the horse cheap in her divorce and clearly is still pissed about it. I didn't know though, I saw a good deal and took it. :( I even offered her money to help make up for it. Said she would think about it. My only other option is to try to find her husbands info and see if he can sign (horses are under both their names) AQHA said I don't need both signatures, but not sure how to find him...or what hes like... scared at this point. Shes hasn't been nice. Can I do DNA? That would be amazing!!! I called the ex wife when trying to register one and she was pissed. She didn't know the bred mare had sold at a rinky dink sale and was super pissed to find out how much I paid. So, I tracked the husband down and begged him. He was nicer than she was even though he told me that I basically stole the mare at the sale......which I knew. So, if he has the ability to sign, I'd be his new stalker.
eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that. "eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that." You are brilliant lol! I do get why she is upset, but why screw someone else? Pretty sure everyone has had awful stuff happen, I don't get the point of being bitter to a stranger. It's not like I want to register the horse so I can sell her an make a profit. I bought the broodmare, foaled her out, sold her, and kept the foal for my new prospect. Its not the end of the world if I can't register her, but I REALLY would like too! the foal is the cute little thing in my display pic. ; )
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-09 2:27 PM
cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:25 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-09 2:16 PM cn1705 - 2014-12-09 2:10 PM Yes they both were for sure. I offered to pay all the fee's. She just told me she sold the horse cheap in her divorce and clearly is still pissed about it. I didn't know though, I saw a good deal and took it. :( I even offered her money to help make up for it. Said she would think about it. My only other option is to try to find her husbands info and see if he can sign (horses are under both their names) AQHA said I don't need both signatures, but not sure how to find him...or what hes like... scared at this point. Shes hasn't been nice. Can I do DNA? That would be amazing!!! I called the ex wife when trying to register one and she was pissed. She didn't know the bred mare had sold at a rinky dink sale and was super pissed to find out how much I paid. So, I tracked the husband down and begged him. He was nicer than she was even though he told me that I basically stole the mare at the sale......which I knew. So, if he has the ability to sign, I'd be his new stalker.
eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that. "eta: If you get a hold of him, I'd use the old "my kid wants to register the foal for 4-H" or some sappy story like that." You are brilliant lol! I do get why she is upset, but why screw someone else? Pretty sure everyone has had awful stuff happen, I don't get the point of being bitter to a stranger. It's not like I want to register the horse so I can sell her an make a profit. I bought the broodmare, foaled her out, sold her, and kept the foal for my new prospect. Its not the end of the world if I can't register her, but I REALLY would like too! the foal is the cute little thing in my display pic. ; )
I'm waiting for her to call me back. If she's nasty again I'll send the phone number you way!! LOL! I'm going to try to find her ex husband too. Feel like I'm in a soap opera. My boyfriend who is not a horse person, does not get it. He thinks I'm the nuts one at this point because i care about getting a stupid paper signed about when horses "had sex" in his words. I guess I have to giggle because it really does sound silly. Cheers to having a grade horse! |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | With more information, I know someone that I'm pretty sure could find that ex-husband.......
You could send her a Christmas Card with a letter in it saying, "all I want for Christmas in my little horse registered :)"
Anyways, cheers!!
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Location: Kansas | Did you get the mares papers with the sale? I'm pretty positive as long as you know the sire's name and you have the mares papers you can have a DNA test done and if DNA comes back as the him being the sire, AQHA can request she sign the papers because there is proof.......if she won't comply AQHA could just register, but who knows how long that will take |
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| So the lady called back today. Said she would sign them for $200 dollars. Otherwise found her ex husbands contact info. I think I may just bite the bullet and pay the $200. |
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Location: Bastrop, TX | A few years ago I bought an aqha mare with a paint colt on her side. Seller signed registration certificate and a transfer. He owned the mare and the stallion. Sent in reg certificate and transfer to paint horse association to get the papers on paint colt. Apha contacted me and said he never filed a stallion breeding report. I called him and he refused. Said he didnt have the money. I offered to pay and it wasnt even very expensive. The breeding report and late fee was cheap to me. I called apha back and they said they would take care of. They told me they would send him a certified letter, they would also ban him from future registrations, transfers etc if he didnt file it. He agreed and in a couple of months I had my colts papers. Best advice they gave me was when you buy go ahead and send the papers in so its on file that you tried to register the foals. That locks in the cost of the fees at the age you sent them in even if you dont get papers for several months. Secondly they said if dam and sire have dna on record you can request a dna kit for the foal. Get it on file. And apha will go after the stallion owner. Not sure aqha will do that. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Unless things have changed, AQHA won't "go after them". For all AQHA knows, there could be a REASON the stallion owner isn't giving a breeding cert. Going "over the heads" of stallion owners could open them up to all kinds of problems with stallion owners. |
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| Someone informed me the breeder won't be able to file any more breeding reports, not sure if this is true or not.
I offered to pay for the breeding report and late fee. The $200 is just pretty much to bribe me if I want the papers signed. I fully paid for the bred mare in cash the day I picked her up. Got the mares papers signed over to me and got the future foals papers signed.
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Location: KS | I just went through this. This is what AQHA told me to do and this is what I did... Long story short, the stallion owner was a huge liar and I let things drag on almost up to my colts 7 month birthdate. I didn't want to pay larger fee's to get him registered so I called AQHA... And was informed there hadn't been a breeding report filled on the stallion in 3 yrs, let alone for my breeding yr.So... What they told me to do was begin a foal registration ONLINE. Full it all out, pay for it and submit it. It will go on file and remain on record for that date so even if actual registration doesn't take place till 6 months later you are locked in at that lower fee. Then, they will know that they don't have any record of a breeders report for that stallion and they will send the owner a letter requesting that they fill out the necessary paperwork or contact them with a reason as to why they refuse. They will send you a CC of all letters they send to the stallion owner. They send 2 letters asking for either the stallion breeding report or for the owner to sign a "make shift" breeders cert for that specific foal. If the stallion owner refuses to comply and doesn't contact them back with a reason, AQHA will then send them a suspension letter and they will be suspended from AQHA activities until they do. This includes any paperwork such as transfers, reports, showing, points, etc. Once the owner is under suspension I believe you do have the option to DNA the foal and prove parentage and they will in fact register them. I got to the suspension letter part. |
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| Grippen N Rippen - 2014-12-10 10:48 PM
I just went through this. This is what AQHA told me to do and this is what I did... Long story short, the stallion owner was a huge liar and I let things drag on almost up to my colts 7 month birthdate. I didn't want to pay larger fee's to get him registered so I called AQHA... And was informed there hadn't been a breeding report filled on the stallion in 3 yrs, let alone for my breeding yr.So... What they told me to do was begin a foal registration ONLINE. Full it all out, pay for it and submit it. It will go on file and remain on record for that date so even if actual registration doesn't take place till 6 months later you are locked in at that lower fee. Then, they will know that they don't have any record of a breeders report for that stallion and they will send the owner a letter requesting that they fill out the necessary paperwork or contact them with a reason as to why they refuse. They will send you a CC of all letters they send to the stallion owner. They send 2 letters asking for either the stallion breeding report or for the owner to sign a "make shift" breeders cert for that specific foal. If the stallion owner refuses to comply and doesn't contact them back with a reason, AQHA will then send them a suspension letter and they will be suspended from AQHA activities until they do. This includes any paperwork such as transfers, reports, showing, points, etc. Once the owner is under suspension I believe you do have the option to DNA the foal and prove parentage and they will in fact register them. I got to the suspension letter part.
This is great info thank you. I thought it was something like this. I will have to call tomorrow to see if the stallion had a DNA test done. Know the mare has one. I would rather pay for the DNA test then give this greedy lady my money. Fingers crossed. |
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Location: KS | If he has any other registered foals at all he HAS to be DNA'd. Good luck! I did keep in contact with AQHA through most of my ordeal. They were actually very helpful. |
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| Oh no :( I went through this last year, it is not fun! It took me about 7 months of hell to finally get my colt registered. Same situation as yours, a divorce which caused the stud to be sold and the breeding business to completely close. I contacted the wife first and she completely blew me off. Next I worked on the husband, he remembered my colt and mare. Asked him to send in the breeding report and get all the paperwork in order, but of course that was too hard. I was in contact with AQHA regularly who helped as much as they could. The husband refused to pay any fees. So unfortunately I was stuck with the stallion report fees, the required DNA test, and late registration fees. After it was all said and done, I filed a complaint with AQHA. They told me they keep record of issues with breeders for a certain amount of time. Not sure what good it is, but I figured I'd do it anyways.
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| turnedout - 2014-12-10 11:22 PM
Oh no : ( I went through this last year, it is not fun! It took me about 7 months of hell to finally get my colt registered. Same situation as yours, a divorce which caused the stud to be sold and the breeding business to completely close. I contacted the wife first and she completely blew me off. Next I worked on the husband, he remembered my colt and mare. Asked him to send in the breeding report and get all the paperwork in order, but of course that was too hard. I was in contact with AQHA regularly who helped as much as they could. The husband refused to pay any fees. So unfortunately I was stuck with the stallion report fees, the required DNA test, and late registration fees. After it was all said and done, I filed a complaint with AQHA. They told me they keep record of issues with breeders for a certain amount of time. Not sure what good it is, but I figured I'd do it anyways.
I'm sorry you are dealing with this! It really is a pain.
Do you know if i am able to register a foal with just parentage verification and no breeding report? I owned the mare when the foal was born and have signed registration papers... |
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Location: KS | They told me as soon as they reached and completed the suspension process with the stallion owner, I would be able to DNA my colt and get him registered without the breeders cert AS LONG AS BOTH PARENTS HAD BEEN DNA'D. But keep in mind in my situation we reached the suspension step because the stallion owner in my situation refused to acknowledge or respond to any correspondence from me or AQHA until threatened with suspension. At that point he decided to just sign the paper and comply and all was well. No one ever figured out what the problem was, although I have my own suspicions. I don't know how it would work if the stallion owner called AQHA back and said "I'm mad about how my horse sold so I refuse to sign". I'm not sure if that'd be considered a plausible excuse for refusing to sign a cert or not. Granted it's a crap one IMO. On the other hand, they may get the letter and decide they don't want to get caught up in that mess and just sign it. Might work in your favor especially if either of them still deal in the horse business much. One way or the other, if you go this r route, they either sign the paper and you get your colt registered, or they ignore everything and get put on suspension and you can register him anyway, or they acknowledge the letter and they have to speak with AQHA about why they refuse if that's what they decide to stay with. That's why I'd keep in contact with AQHA about the situation. |
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| All the stallion owners have to say is the mare was sold as open (they didn't know she was in foal) and the breeding report was fabricated.
Then aqha will be investigating you.
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Location: KS | Until the foal DNAs to their stallion. |
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Location: KS | Also... You can still DNA the colt even if they refuse to sign the cert. AQHA was going to allow me to purchase the kit and send it in for results as we were waiting for a response from the stallion owner. At least that's what they told me. I didn't end up needing to do that but would have because I could have at least proven his parentage even though I may or may not have actually gotten papers in the end. Moral of the story, call AQHA and talk with the registration department. |
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| Grippen N Rippen - 2014-12-11 12:20 AM
Until the foal DNAs to their stallion.
Not exactly as I do know one case where a mare was sold as vet said she was open
10 months later foal appears stallion owner will not sign breeding certificate as now owner of mare did not pay stud fee
If Aqha starts doing this I know a stallion breeding station that would breed mares under the table no stud fees paid to stallion owners. If DNA is allowed why go the legit way when you can be dishonest pay an employee a portion of the fee and still get a registered foal |
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Location: SE KS | cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 12:06 AM
All the stallion owners have to say is the mare was sold as open (they didn't know she was in foal) and the breeding report was fabricated.
Then aqha will be investigating you.
It all comes down to he said she said
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Location: KS | Did no one read the part where I said the purpose of AQHA contacting the stallion owner is to get their side of the story? And if the stallion owner responds and satisfies AQHA's inquiry as to why a breeders report was not filed then the person with the foal will ultimately have to work it out with the stallion owner or not get the foal registered. HOWEVER if the stallion owner DOES NOT satisfy AQHA or does not even respond as in MY case, then they will be put on suspension through AQHA and the registration process will be pushed through pending DNA verification. If the stallion owners don't like that rule then they need to correspond with AQHAs request for information. Suspension means no more ANYTHING done through AQHA until they get back in contact with AQHA and provides them with the information they wanted in the first place. In this case... Where the lady doesn't want to sign the breeders cert because she's mad about how the mare sold through the sale... I think it'd be worth talking to AQHA about. Especially if it the mare sold through the sale as in foal...which I didn't read if she was or not...
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Location: KS | And ya, I suppose you could go "under the table" and still get register foals by unreputable breeders doing it this way, but these breeder's will be on suspension and can't do ANYTHING through AQHA. Not even a simple transfer. And while this might sound simple to do to get a foal registered let me tell you IT IS NOT. It is a PITA. And the process took almost 6 months. I'm just telling the OP that there is a way around unscrupulous breeders if absolutely need be. |
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| She wouldn't be able to get away saying she didn't know the mare was bred because I had her sign the registration for the foal. I talked to AQHA and at the lady I talked to said DNA can't take place of paperwork. :( |
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Location: KS | You can't just DNA a foal and get it registered. You will have to start the registration process via online new foal registration and then go through the whole process of them requesting correspondence from the stallion owner. It's a long process. Made me mad, but I was finally able to get mine registered. |
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| lhighquality - 2014-12-11 8:40 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 12:06 AM
All the stallion owners have to say is the mare was sold as open (they didn't know she was in foal) and the breeding report was fabricated.
Then aqha will be investigating you.
It all comes down to he said she said
True, however, after the DNA matches & it is shows said breeder lied............
Not necessarily as the can plead ignorance.
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| I have that all submitted and they have tried contacting her. So i guess I'm on the right path. I will keep you up to date. Thanks!! |
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| cn1705 - 2014-12-11 9:53 AM
She wouldn't be able to get away saying she didn't know the mare was bred because I had her sign the registration for the foal. I talked to AQHA and at the lady I talked to said DNA can't take place of paperwork. :(
Generally the breeding reports come from AQHA already have the names of both sure and dam inserted via computer.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 10:13 AM
cn1705 - 2014-12-11 9:53 AM
She wouldn't be able to get away saying she didn't know the mare was bred because I had her sign the registration for the foal. I talked to AQHA and at the lady I talked to said DNA can't take place of paperwork. :(
Generally the breeding reports come from AQHA already have the names of both sure and dam inserted via computer.
A hand written breeding certificate could be the first warning sign something is not right or the paperwork is not in order
I'm the one that had them sign the bottom of the registration paper for the foal when I bought the bred mare; where is says breeders certificate section. |
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Location: ND | Maybe my brain is foggy but what exactly did they sign for you to register the foal if they have not filed a breeding report with AQHA? Every foal I've raised I've gotten a breeders certificate for the foal that lists the sire & dam which is done by AQHA after the breeding report is filed. |
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Location: KS | Do you still have whatever she signed? Can you take a pic of it and post it so we can see what it is? Just cover up her name or something. |
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| I see she had the lady sign a blank transfer for a foal that was unregistered. There is one line on a transfer sheet for this generally used for foals to be transferred when the application is sold with the foal.
Since you bought the mare still in foal that transfer would be invalid as you bought in utero and not live as the previous owner needed to write date of foaling.
The foal was sold to the op with no stud fee no breeders certificate. Honestly pay the 200 as I think you will be SOL as you bought knowing the paperwork was not in order. Or you should have done your research better. |
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The Advice Guru
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| I just spoke with AQHA and they told me that it is the stallion owners prerogative to file a breeding report and AQHA cannot force them to and they will not be suspended if they choose not to.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 1:18 PM
I just spoke with AQHA and they told me that it is the stallion owners prerogative to file a breeding report and AQHA cannot force them to and they will not be suspended if they choose not to.
Thanks for calling. Its not a transfer she signed. Do u have an email? I can send it to u. |
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | All a stallion owner would have to say to AQHA is the stud fee was not paid.
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | If you are selling a bred mare, all you have to do is give the buyer a registration application with the stallion owner, and mare owner at time of BREEDING sections filled out and signed. A hand written one is perfectly acceptable. Is that what you got? (Though with no breeeding report filed, well you end up with this situation. )
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| RacingQH - 2014-12-11 6:56 PM
If you are selling a bred mare, all you have to do is give the buyer a registration application with the stallion owner, and mare owner at time of BREEDING sections filled out and signed. A hand written one is perfectly acceptable. Is that what you got? (Though with no breeeding report filed, well you end up with this situation. )
Yeah its the registration ap that is signed in the box "breeders certificate section," just no actual breeding report. |
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The Advice Guru
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| Handwritten is acceptable but people need to do their homework and ensure if they receive a handwritten, a breeders report was submitted and accepted. |
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Location: KS | cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 1:18 PM
I just spoke with AQHA and they told me that it is the stallion owners prerogative to file a breeding report and AQHA cannot force them to and they will not be suspended if they choose not to.
I don't know who you guys are talking to at AQHA or why my situation must have been different but I assure you what I have said is true. |
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| Grippen N Rippen - 2014-12-12 10:01 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 1:18 PM
I just spoke with AQHA and they told me that it is the stallion owners prerogative to file a breeding report and AQHA cannot force them to and they will not be suspended if they choose not to.
I don't know who you guys are talking to at AQHA or why my situation must have been different but I assure you what I have said is true.
Yes it is correct that it is the stallion owners prerogative to file a report, however, NONE of the foals that were from breedings that year will be able to be registered. Now AQHA mails out breeder's certificates that are computer generated and the stallion owner does not have to do that any more. The stallion report and the breeder's certificate are a check and balance to keep everyone honest. Two examples are (1) my mare was bred to another person's stallion and about November she did not look bred. I had her checked and sure enough--no foal. I called the stallion owner and told her and she said she would leave my mare off the stallion report. This was OK with me. There was definitely no foal. (2) I bought a 3 in 1 package and in
Dec the previous owner mailed me the breeder's certificate that was sent out by AQHA with a bar code on it. I registered my foal online so I did not need the actual breeder's certificate since AQHA had sent it out. |
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| I bought an APHA filly 12 years ago with the necessary registration paperwork. The mare owners had signed it but not the stallion owner. I contacted the stallion owner (a local horse breeder/trainer) about signing the papers and was told that I had to pay the breeding fee ($1200). APHA told me that I could contact the mare owners or work it out with the stallion owner but they couldn't get involved.
Needless to say I have a great little paint mare that is Pinto registered as unknown pedigree. I refused to be extorted. |
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Registering a foal online does NOT mean you don't need a breeders cert. It means the stallion owner "released it" so the foal could be registered online without having to mail in the cert. If they hadn't done that, you would have to send it in. |
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| RacingQH - 2014-12-13 1:27 PM
Registering a foal online does NOT mean you don't need a breeders cert. It means the stallion owner "released it" so the foal could be registered online without having to mail in the cert. If they hadn't done that, you would have to send it in.
Since AQHA sent me the breeder's certificate, they already had it on record. I registered my foal online and had the papers before the breeder's certificate could have reached them in the mail. I think I said that in the original post perhaps you did not understand that the Breeder's certificate was issued by AQHA. I had the papers within 5 days. When I bought the mare in May the seller had all the necessary paperwork ready and told me that I would receive the breeder's certificate from AQHA. Sure enough, I got the breeder's certificate around Dec 1. I
I bred this same mare to a stallion and she lost her foal. I contacted the stallion owner in Nov and she left my mare off the stallion report. This was fine with me because the mare was NOT bred. I bred the mare in the spring and she is definitely bred. The stallion owner has been so easy to work with I have booked to her horse again.
Edited by streakysox 2014-12-13 2:44 PM
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Won't sign a breeding report