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Location: North Texas | Is there a rule against turning the horse in the alley to get them into their correct lead or do the riders just prefer not to jack with their mounts and let them pick up the correct lead on the way to the first? (obviously not applying to the lefties)
Just curious...the horses don't seem to have any issues with it but I've noticed on a couple of runs the horse not switching in the right lead until right before the first and on a few of those it looked like it caused the tip. |
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Location: Kentucky | I'm betting there is no rule against it, just less time in the alleyway is better for the horse. Get them in and out without jacking them around. |
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Lone Wolf in my pack of One
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Location: North Texas | That was what I was thinking....and it doesn't seem like it has been a big issue for the horses, I was just curious! |
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Location: Too far from home | There used to be a "forward motion" rule in the WPRA. I haven't run for years, so don't know. I did see one contestant, stop her horse and back him a step and I thought, "Uh oh" but it was not an issue I guess. |
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Midget Lover
Location: Kentucky | I'm impressed by how they are all pretty darn sane in the gate/alleyway. I have a mare that would lose her mind standing in that line waiting to run. |
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Location: Central Texas | crazy&lazy - 2014-12-10 1:29 PM
There used to be a "forward motion" rule in the WPRA. I haven't run for years, so don't know. I did see one contestant, stop her horse and back him a step and I thought, "Uh oh" but it was not an issue I guess.
I don't run WPRA but at most of the races I do run at "forward motion" must continue after you break the plane (mouth) of the alley not in it, although I have seen some that do not enforce it until you have crossed the timer line. |
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| I don't believe there is really room in that allyway to make a circle. Maybe a roll back type of start. This is precisely why I don't circle a horse, even a colt, to get them on the correct lead before a run or while training. I see it as kind of a crutch of sorts. It has been my experience that after a few times of a horse trying to turn a barrel, even loping, on the wrong lead, they learn pretty quick its much easier to turn on correct lead. a LOT of barrel horses run wrong leaded to the first barrel or any of the barrels and switch part way there, or just before the turn. Thats how mine rate. Switch leads and set for a turn. |
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Location: IL | I'm sure those horses are so seasoned they don't need to be put in the correct lead. I've seen a couple come in on the wrong lead a the horse quickly switches the lead getting ready for the turn. |
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| Rodeo Horses at that level should not need a "cue" or Help to get on the correct lead. That should not even be a worry to anyone competing in Pro Rodeos. At least it never was mine. The less time you jack with a horse of that level in the alley the better.  |
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Location: Oklahoma | merdth6 - 2014-12-10 2:02 PM I'm sure those horses are so seasoned they don't need to be put in the correct lead. I've seen a couple come in on the wrong lead a the horse quickly switches the lead getting ready for the turn.
Ditto...those horses can come from any gate, any direction or any place and they'll get themselves in the right lead. There are very few "perfect" setups in pro rodeo so that is why those horses adjust so well. There is alot of side gates and some where the barrels are out in the middle of HUGE arenas and the horses just figure it out. If you have to "circle" them, they aren't ready to go down the pro rodeo trail. They have to adapt to wherever the barrels are set.
Edited by dinero7783 2014-12-10 3:47 PM
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Location: IL | Agree ^^^^^ |
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I Am a Snake Killer
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | merdth6 - 2014-12-10 4:14 PM
Agree ^^^^^
I love the Buckle in your avatar !!! |
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Location: IL | mreklaw - 2014-12-10 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2014-12-10 4:14 PM Agree ^^^^^ I love the Buckle in your avatar !!!
Thank You! It's my first and only so far!! I won it at BarrelBash. It's my pride and joy..lol |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | shopnpro - 2014-12-10 3:07 PM Rodeo Horses at that level should not need a "cue" or Help to get on the correct lead. That should not even be a worry to anyone competing in Pro Rodeos. At least it never was mine. The less time you jack with a horse of that level in the alley the better.
I really feel like you do yourself and your horses a real disservice by making them dependent on the perfect "setup", because as often as not it is not going to happen. Allow them to experience every possible entry and approach and they will learn to wolf the first barrel regardless.
Edited by SC Wrangler 2014-12-10 4:57 PM
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| FLITASTIC - 2014-12-10 1:42 PM I don't believe there is really room in that allyway to make a circle. Maybe a roll back type of start. This is precisely why I don't circle a horse, even a colt, to get them on the correct lead before a run or while training. I see it as kind of a crutch of sorts. It has been my experience that after a few times of a horse trying to turn a barrel, even loping, on the wrong lead, they learn pretty quick its much easier to turn on correct lead. a LOT of barrel horses run wrong leaded to the first barrel or any of the barrels and switch part way there, or just before the turn. Thats how mine rate. Switch leads and set for a turn.
To go along with this .... every horse has a "preferred" lead in which they are a bit stronger and faster - Watch a set of race horses, they don't all run on the same lead. Anywho - my point is often at that level, those horses will pick up their favorite lead to the first because they are pushed to be faster. Then switch, rate, turn ... etc.  |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Most WPRA rodeos have rules on forward motion........even when entering from a side gate........no circling......so best guess they are told to keep forward motion........plus they want one running just as soon as the rider is clear of the arena..... |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | A lot of associations have rules about the start. There's not really much room to do anything in the alley at the T&M to begin with. Most rodeos they also rush the barrel racers through...you're fined/penalized for taking too long, for circling, for basically doing anything besides just running boom boom boom one after the other.
and like others have pointed out, getting leads should be the last thing on anyones mind, especially if you've made it that far. If a horse is seasoned they already know where their first barrel is and what direction they're going to be turning. Over 50% of the time my 1D/2D mare is on the wrong lead coming in the gate but she switches to the correct one before the first barrel. |
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Lone Wolf in my pack of One
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Location: North Texas | I was just wondering if there was a rule against it. I know some associations are pretty adament about barrel racers getting in and getting out. I did notice most of the girls corrected their horse on the run and put them over into the correct lead. It's just interesting to watch. Most places have a gate that turns you to the right not to the left so it's interesting to see the horses adapt to something a little different.
I noticed the night that Michelle won, her mare took off dang near in the holding area lol I'd be so afraid I'd rip my leg off. My mare comes in more like Louie, lucky me. |
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Location: Kansas | SC Wrangler - 2014-12-10 4:46 PM shopnpro - 2014-12-10 3:07 PM Rodeo Horses at that level should not need a "cue" or Help to get on the correct lead. That should not even be a worry to anyone competing in Pro Rodeos. At least it never was mine. The less time you jack with a horse of that level in the alley the better.
I really feel like you do yourself and your horses a real disservice by making them dependent on the perfect "setup", because as often as not it is not going to happen. Allow them to experience every possible entry and approach and they will learn to wolf the first barrel regardless.
No kidding.
The expocentre in Topeka is kind of a rotten alley setup for a lefty - you come in from the right side of the barn behind a wall, then turn 90 degrees and down the alley you go. Even when I've run a lefty there, I don't turn them to set that lead....they better figure out at the mouth of the alley to get on the correct lead. If they don't the first time, trying to turn it on the wrong lead a couple times will usually get them to figure it out themselves and I think that makes for a more solid horse anyway. I want mine to go work no matter if the rider is spot on or not because lord knows I make a lot of mistakes and depend on the horse to cover me!
Now if my gray horse was running there, he would be trying to take off and pass the girls in front of him in line and my main goal would be to get my legs into the real alley before he completely took off.....remember Jethro a few years ago - I think Chance's entry would look a little like that LOL. |
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Location: IL | I hold my breath every time those girls go from the holding pen into the alley, as the way some of their horses come in, I'm just waiting for someone to crack a knee or something on the gate panels as they come through! Yikes! |
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Lone Wolf in my pack of One
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Location: North Texas | Although I agree, I was again just mostly curious if it was a rule issue or a preference issue. I honestly would try to give my horse the most beneficial start and if I was having trouble with my first I'd dang sure give her a whirl around if she needed it.
Like I said, doesn't seem like they are having too much trouble. I've only seen two or three instances where it seemed like an issue out of 15X6 runs lol I just didn't know if there was a rule involved. |
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Location: North Dakota | I have a horse that runs in on the wrong lead ever single time and switches as he sets up to turn the first barrel...or just turns it on the wrong lead like an idiot. |
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NFR-Correct leads?