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Location: Dubach, LA | *Disclaimer* Yes. They are there and I am not. Yes. They are great riders and horses. Yes. They got the invite. Yes. They won the big money. Yes. It's a dream come true for them. BUT
Watching this year's rounds the thought popped into my head that because of a very few invitational $100,000 rodeos, there are a few that don't belong at the NFR. You know - took a spot they didn't really earn. All of us that have been at this for a little bit know that our horses have that one arena where they excel. Thoughts????
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| I disagree. I think that what is showing up maybe more that some of these horses are not suited to this tiny arena. I think some of the girls' horses just don't fit this set up. If they were competing in a bigger arena and/or an outdoor arena you might see different results, jmo, though.  |
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Location: North Texas | I wouldn't say they "did not deserve" to be there, but I see where you are coming from and I agree. My bay mare can flat outrun the devil in some arenas, but haul her to Stephenville, TX and she couldn't outrun a fat milk cow.
It almost should be like on a point system rather than money earned, although I feel like that could be overly complicated...but it would "weight" the rodeos so that the 100k one run wonders wouldn't get a smooth easy trip to the big house. I actually don't know who we are referring to this year, as I haven't kept track much of the season...but I've seen it in the past and I get what you are saying. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Yea, I probably could have worded it better, but you two get what I'm saying. One win gets you to the very top of the sport. That's not fair. |
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| The two that made the big bucks at Houston and Calgary were Kaley and Nancy. Kaley has qualified for the NFR 3 years now. Nancy is clocking great times and she did very well at the rodeos she did go to. Do you honestly believe they shouldn't be there because if so, I have to question if you are watching the same rodeo I am. I don't agree with Houston and Calgary counting. But to say anyone there at the NFR doesn't deserve to be there is crazy. I say that anyone there deserves to live that dream. |
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| Disagree, if you have enough horse power to win that big of race and earn that money, you deserve it just as much as any one else there. Some planned out to go to these big money races, that if won, makes it an easier road to the NFR. Smarter not harder! |
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Location: Bandera, TX | SKM and Flying JT I agree with you. I would like to run down that alley but can't make that many runs getting to that spot. I'm impressed by the small numbers of rodeo's that Nancy ran at to make it. My dream year! OP, Nancy was the Circuit Champ by a country mile. |
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Location: Idaho | I dont agree with anyone not deserving to be there. I also am not against the two big rodeos that basically give a person the guarantee to the NFR. People say it is an unfair advantage. But I dont see it that way. A lot of the people against counting these rodeos are able to run at them and have just as much chance and winning there as the people who win them. How is it different than the theory of the American? Go to very few rodeos and still win big money? For some reason it seems like people think it is unfair that one person went to 100 rodeos where someone else went to 50 to qualify. Its about winning money at the right places. Wouldyou throw up a fit because the arena that your horse excells in was only $1000 added and an arena your horse hates adds $10,000? As for the NFR, it really isnt the best place to judge if someone deserves to be there. Its not every goodbhorses cup of tea. In fact its not your place to judge at all. Im guessing anyone of us would take that #15 spot with a Calgary win, any day! |
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| Each and every one of the contestants deserves to be there and they have proved it throughout the runs.
Look at Brittany Pozzi she went to over 100 rodeos and never qualified
Nancy Hunter went to 23.
The term work smarter not harder comes into play. At the beginning of the year everyone knows what the rodeos are and the estimated purse. Barrel racers can then decide what rodeos they will go to and which horses work well in those rodeos.
I am all for preserving horses if they can make it in 23 rodeos great. That horse will not have the wear and tear of going down the road and will have a longer rodeo life. |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | It's not riders fault that they were talented enough to win the big rodeos.
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| So, would the origional poster be willing to give up their spot at the NFR if they won one of those big rodeos like Houston or Calgary and qualified. " Oh im sorry I won't be attending the NFR, its not fair to the other contestants because I only won a big rodeo, please roll up the next contestant to take my place". |
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| lookout hill - 2014-12-11 10:07 AM It's not riders fault that they were talented enough to win the big rodeos.
I agree. Not only do Houston and Calgary add BIG money....They draw in TONS of contestants! If you are good enough to beat those top name contestants, you should be rewarded!
They didn't get handed that money, they still had to do a lot of work to win! |
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| Nateracer - 2014-12-11 11:11 AM
lookout hill - 2014-12-11 10:07 AM It's not riders fault that they were talented enough to win the big rodeos.
They didn't get handed that money, they still had to do a lot of work to win!
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| SKM - 2014-12-11 9:43 AM
The two that made the big bucks at Houston and Calgary were Kaley and Nancy. Kaley has qualified for the NFR 3 years now. Nancy is clocking great times and she did very well at the rodeos she did go to. Do you honestly believe they shouldn't be there because if so, I have to question if you are watching the same rodeo I am. I don't agree with Houston and Calgary counting. But to say anyone there at the NFR doesn't deserve to be there is crazy. I say that anyone there deserves to live that dream.
I feel like Kaley's horse cowboy clocked so much better in there last year.... I think the ground has him on guard and he's not firing like he normally does! |
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| I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now.  |
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| astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 10:18 AM Nateracer - 2014-12-11 11:11 AM lookout hill - 2014-12-11 10:07 AM It's not riders fault that they were talented enough to win the big rodeos.
They didn't get handed that money, they still had to do a lot of work to win! Its invitation only....not all and allowed to compete.
Even better then. They don't invite average joe "Rodeo Girls". They invite the best of the best. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now.
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| 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now.
Correct only the 1D money counts.
I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA
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Location: Where I am happiest | SKM - 2014-12-11 9:43 AM The two that made the big bucks at Houston and Calgary were Kaley and Nancy. Kaley has qualified for the NFR 3 years now. Nancy is clocking great times and she did very well at the rodeos she did go to. Do you honestly believe they shouldn't be there because if so, I have to question if you are watching the same rodeo I am. I don't agree with Houston and Calgary counting. But to say anyone there at the NFR doesn't deserve to be there is crazy. I say that anyone there deserves to live that dream.
Exactly! Nancy would have won 3 rounds if it werent for hit barrels. Just wait for next year when the added $4 mil kicks in! It will pay $28,000 to win a round and the average will pay $80,000. You wont have to use your horse up during the regular season. Just go to enough to secure your spot because if you have a horse that likes that building, you could go in at 15th and come out with the title. Sure will make for a even more exciting finals.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:24 AM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now. Correct only the 1D money counts. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA
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Location: Duvall, WA | I kind of feel the exact opposite--I'm always impressed with those who made it going to the fewest rodeos. Do you think the person with three different rigs and horses going to every rodeo there is is really more talented than the one who can go out there and win a few of the really big ones? Seems like a much nicer life for both horse and rider to me. |
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| 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:29 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:24 AM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now. Correct only the 1D money counts. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA
Well its coming (I hope) and the American is opening up the door. Oh I want to say sooooo much more but I'll be good and sit on my hands so this thread stays around.... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Personally, I don't think ANY money won at ANY "invitational" should count. And the WPRA screwed their members by allowing that to happen. That being said to say that any of the ladies there at the NFR don't "deserve" to be there is asinine. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 12:14 PM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:29 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:24 AM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now. Correct only the 1D money counts. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA Well its coming (I hope ) and the American is opening up the door. Oh I want to say sooooo much more but I'll be good and sit on my hands so this thread stays around....
I can't agree with you on this one - it is Women's Pro Rodeo and in my opinion men should not be allowed. Not at the NFR, not at the Houston, not at Calgary, not at any all women's barrel race.
However, the American, etc., any other barrel race where it is not a women's organization - have at it. Lots of talented individuals at both. |
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Location: The stix of Utah | You also have to keep in mind that while $50,000 is a ton of money to win at one rodeo it took a lot more than that to qualify in 15th place let alone 4th where Nancy was. She more than earned her place at the NFR this year. She definitely worked smarter, not harder. |
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| I don't really see much difference in the invitational rodeos vs. the big rodeos that only accept a certain number of top-ranked girls, or even card-only rodeos. Yes they all do disadvantage the new members trying to fill a permit and climb the ladder, but you have to let the committees run their rodeo in the way that will make them the most profitable and allow for all the added money. A point system would be terrible. It would just make it more of a trailer race and those who can afford to go to more rodeos will have an extreme advantage. I love the ladies who can make it in just a few rodeos. And who is to say that if Nancy wouldn't have entered 100 rodeos in 100 different set-ups she wouldn't have placed at almost all of them and been #1 coming into the world. Some people don't want to be on the road 50 weeks of the year. I love the American and the possibilities it brings. Look at Richie Champion. I don't know his story, but it seems like he may have not had the opportunities to really "go" until he only had to haul 3 weekends all last year to win a million. Now he has the funds, publicity, support, you name it.... and here he is at the NFR the next year and winning rounds. Coincidence? Doubtful. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 12:14 PM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:29 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:24 AM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now. Correct only the 1D money counts. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA Well its coming (I hope ) and the American is opening up the door. Oh I want to say sooooo much more but I'll be good and sit on my hands so this thread stays around....
However, the American, etc., any other barrel race where it is not a women's organization - have at it. Lots of talented individuals at both.
Getting a little off track here but I'm curious...
Are women permitted to compete in any of the other events in professional rodeo? Is it prohibited or just not traditionally done?
I could exercise my google talents...but you all likely know.
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| All that I know is if I could just GET to Thomas and Mack, I believe that I could give them a run for their money in that small pen on that ground. 13 seconds and under is my comfort zone (and the T&M would be a 12 sec or faster if the timer line was farther in the arena and no ramp to stop on), lol, and I seem to find horses that work in them and on crap ground. However not many big, qualifying rodeos are held in those conditions and they are all far, far away. Heck almost all PRCA/WPRA rodeos are a long way away these days around here. To qualify in this circuit you would be hauling a minimum of 500 miles one way to get to one rodeo. Sigh...
Now on as standard pattern (which I have rarely run on, the pens are just not that big around here) I get lost. Not only lost, but out of breath before I get to the 3rd barrel.  And nice groomed ground? My horses seem to get buried in it.....so I guess that there is no Thomas and Mack in MY future.
I agree that the invitational rodeos counting is going to make getting to the NFR more and more rarified. It will mostly take big money to buy horses, rigs fuel, etc. just to try and qualify without those invitational rodeo opportunities. One of the things I have always liked about rodeo is that the little guy can show up and if he/she outruns or outrides the rest, they can win. But if they don't get the opportunity to compete in the first place, the chance of them getting there is greatly reduced. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:16 PM
All that I know is if I could just GET to Thomas and Mack, I believe that I could give them a run for their money in that small pen on that ground. 13 seconds and under is my comfort zone (and the T&M would be a 12 sec or faster if the timer line was farther in the arena and no ramp to stop on ), lol, and I seem to find horses that work in them and on crap ground. However not many big, qualifying rodeos are held in those conditions and they are all far, far away. Heck almost all PRCA/WPRA rodeos are a long way away these days around here. To qualify in this circuit you would be hauling a minimum of 500 miles one way to get to one rodeo. Sigh...
Now on as standard pattern (which I have rarely run on, the pens are just not that big around here ) I get lost. Not only lost, but out of breath before I get to the 3rd barrel. And nice groomed ground? My horses seem to get buried in it.....so I guess that there is no Thomas and Mack in MY future.
I agree that the invitational rodeos counting is going to make getting to the NFR more and more rarified. It will mostly take big money to buy horses, rigs fuel, etc. just to try and qualify without those invitational rodeo opportunities. One of the things I have always liked about rodeo is that the little guy can show up and if he/she outruns or outrides the rest, they can win. But if they don't get the opportunity to compete in the first place, the chance of them getting there is greatly reduced.
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:18 PM
rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:16 PM
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Well, you aren't my Mom afterall........ : (
Sorry?
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:58 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:18 PM rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:16 PM . Well, you aren't my Mom afterall........ : ( Sorry? Methinks that you should be relieved. I don't think anybody wants me to be their momma....well except my furbabies and ponies.
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| TrailGirl - 2014-12-11 11:48 AM
3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 12:14 PM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:29 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:24 AM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now. Correct only the 1D money counts. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA Well its coming (I hope ) and the American is opening up the door. Oh I want to say sooooo much more but I'll be good and sit on my hands so this thread stays around....
However, the American, etc., any other barrel race where it is not a women's organization - have at it. Lots of talented individuals at both.
Getting a little off track here but I'm curious...
Are women permitted to compete in any of the other events in professional rodeo? Is it prohibited or just not traditionally done?
I could exercise my google talents...but you all likely know.
PRCA events only require that you have a permit or card and be 18. They do not state one sex in their rules. |
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:59 PM
rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:58 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:18 PM rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:16 PM . Well, you aren't my Mom afterall........ : ( Sorry? Methinks that you should be relieved. I don't think anybody wants me to be their momma....well except my furbabies and ponies.
Let's see.....my LQ is a 22 inch short wall WITH the tack inside. I do have a cooler that I can plug in, not very big though. Will that do?
I am not going to the LG sale (keep repeating to myself need anymore horse....)"
Heeeeeyyyyy, how old do I have to be to be your mom anyways? However old, I am NOT that old (I keep repeating to myself, "I am not that old, I am NOT that old....."). |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:22 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:59 PM rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:58 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:18 PM rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:16 PM . Well, you aren't my Mom afterall........ : ( Sorry? Methinks that you should be relieved. I don't think anybody wants me to be their momma....well except my furbabies and ponies. Let's see.....my LQ is a 22 inch short wall WITH the tack inside. I do have a cooler that I can plug in, not very big though. Will that do? I am not going to the LG sale (keep repeating to myself need anymore horse.... )" Heeeeeyyyyy, how old do I have to be to be your mom anyways? However old, I am NOT that old (I keep repeating to myself, "I am not that old, I am NOT that old....." ).
You look ancient in your avatar. Perhaps you should find a younger chicken lol.
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| It would probably be farther to come get you than it would be to go straight to the LG sale, but that would make me a BAAAD mom, wouldn't it? Besides, I know you young lady and you just don't want a place to sleep, you want me to haul horses too!
edited to add: And that was a bad hair day when that pic was taken.
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | Isn't the reason the American got started is because it let the person that can't afford to be on the road all the time have a chance. But I think that if you are going to have invitational events only then they should not qualify for the NFR or the dollars counting towards the NFR should max out at like $25,000 no matter how much you win. I know the ones that get invited deserve it but are we only letting the ones that get invited to the big payout events get an unfair advantage. Last years American proved that their are other horse and riders out there that are just as good as the top pro's but don't have a chance at going to the invitational only rodeos. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:29 PM It would probably be farther to come get you than it would be to go straight to the LG sale, but that would make me a BAAAD mom, wouldn't it? Besides, I know you young lady and you just don't want a place to sleep, you want me to haul horses too!
That is soooo not true, Mom! I have a truck and trailer. Just no sleeping quarters :( That's why I need a sugar daddy or a sweet Mommy :) |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:29 PM It would probably be farther to come get you than it would be to go straight to the LG sale, but that would make me a BAAAD mom, wouldn't it? Besides, I know you young lady and you just don't want a place to sleep, you want me to haul horses too! edited to add: And that was a bad hair day when that pic was taken.
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| IMHO, The American is a giant futurity. I would like to see the figures on how much in entries are paid compared to the payout.
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-11 2:33 PM
rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:29 PM It would probably be farther to come get you than it would be to go straight to the LG sale, but that would make me a BAAAD mom, wouldn't it? Besides, I know you young lady and you just don't want a place to sleep, you want me to haul horses too! edited to add: And that was a bad hair day when that pic was taken.
You should get some face lotion or something...some sort of anti-aging cream perhaps....
A bad hair day I tell ya! Geeesh, give a girl a break! One bad picture and the vultures descend. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:36 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-11 2:33 PM rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:29 PM It would probably be farther to come get you than it would be to go straight to the LG sale, but that would make me a BAAAD mom, wouldn't it? Besides, I know you young lady and you just don't want a place to sleep, you want me to haul horses too! edited to add: And that was a bad hair day when that pic was taken. You should get some face lotion or something...some sort of anti-aging cream perhaps.... A bad hair day I tell ya! Geeesh, give a girl a break! One bad picture and the vultures descend.
Sorry, lady! You look like a dog caught you by the neck and played with you all day....maybe, get a scarf. |
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| Hey, I am a little sensitive about that neck thing....
And if you were a good daughter, you would just GIVE me that ElScorcho/Coup de Cash filly and then you wouldn't have to be nervous and stressed for months about the sale. Win-win, don't you think? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:43 PM Hey, I am a little sensitive about that neck thing.... And if you were a good daughter, you would just GIVE me that ElScorcho/Coup de Cash filly and then you wouldn't have to be nervous and stressed for months about the sale. Win-win, don't you think?
I probably should have been your Secret Santa.....face lotion, a scarf and a horse.....Merry Christmas, Mom :) |
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-11 2:45 PM
rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:43 PM Hey, I am a little sensitive about that neck thing.... And if you were a good daughter, you would just GIVE me that ElScorcho/Coup de Cash filly and then you wouldn't have to be nervous and stressed for months about the sale. Win-win, don't you think?
I probably should have been your Secret Santa.....face lotion, a scarf and a horse.....Merry Christmas, Mom :)
Whaaaat? What about that filly? Ungrateful child! I will just have to tell Santa to leave you that lump of coal. And here I was going to tell him to find you a man....sigh. |
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| OOPs, Sped read that and missed the ".....And a horse>>>" Sorry dear, sweet, wonderful child. Now how would you like that man, besides rich? |
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Location: Haslet, Texas | This just goes to show you that when the best on the world are forced to run on really bad ground it makes everybody look like an amateur. Many barrels would not have been hit if the horses knew the ground would hold them. It's a sad, sad NFR this year. You can see the smart horses running safe around the barrels, hell you can tell because of their times. How many times have you seen Sheri Cervi run above 14.1's.....????? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:52 PM OOPs, Sped read that and missed the ".....And a horse>>>" Sorry dear, sweet, wonderful child. Now how would you like that man, besides rich?
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-11 3:40 PM
rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:52 PM OOPs, Sped read that and missed the ".....And a horse>>>" Sorry dear, sweet, wonderful child. Now how would you like that man, besides rich?
Mommies eyes are getting old too..... :(
Yes they are...sigh. Add to that I tend to speed read and lose some of the details. I had a Latin teacher that would high light instructions on her tests just for me and remind me to read them carefully. I was known to translate entire paragraphs when I just needed to give a short answer. Plus I was born VERY nearsighted. Contacts bring me to 20-20 but now I need stupid reading glasses!!! |
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Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | See. I knew we needed to reheat this. I just made it back to this thread and see lots of different ways to look at qualifying than I could have thought of all by myself. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2014-12-10 12:16 PM Personally, I don't think ANY money won at ANY "invitational" should count. And the WPRA screwed their members by allowing that to happen. That being said to say that any of the ladies there at the NFR don't "deserve" to be there is asinine.
Agree.......and if I am not mistaken.......in a interview Kaley Bass even said herself she didn't think invitational rodeos should count........and it helped her make the NFR........ |
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Location: NC | CJE - 2014-12-11 9:14 PM
NJJ - 2014-12-10 12:16 PM Personally, I don't think ANY money won at ANY "invitational" should count. And the WPRA screwed their members by allowing that to happen. That being said to say that any of the ladies there at the NFR don't "deserve" to be there is asinine.
Agree.......and if I am not mistaken.......in a interview Kaley Bass even said herself she didn't think invitational rodeos should count........and it helped her make the NFR........
A few of them made that comment. I saw it on a website that interviewed all 15 of them. "What would you change about rodeo?" A few mentioned invitationals shouldn't count. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | hlynn - 2014-12-11 10:22 PM CJE - 2014-12-11 9:14 PM NJJ - 2014-12-10 12:16 PM Personally, I don't think ANY money won at ANY "invitational" should count. And the WPRA screwed their members by allowing that to happen. That being said to say that any of the ladies there at the NFR don't "deserve" to be there is asinine. Agree.......and if I am not mistaken.......in a interview Kaley Bass even said herself she didn't think invitational rodeos should count........and it helped her make the NFR........ A few of them made that comment. I saw it on a website that interviewed all 15 of them. "What would you change about rodeo?" A few mentioned invitationals shouldn't count.
I wonder what the real vote would be on the invitational format from the contestants...I made two meetings last year early in the season. Not more than a dozen gals showed up. Big Byron came and told us how the cow was going to eat the cabbage on a few points at one of them.
The committees are the shakers here. Not the players and the middle man our associations are in a tough spot balancing the "act".
I would love the big rodeos to open up much like the Ft Worth show. I just don't see that ever occurring again. But, I don't ever say never as several girls have learned the reason they got to dance was a big invitational win. Even if they were profoundly against the $ counting. I've not seen one turn down the paid EF's and I've seen smiles as they've raced down the T&M alley. |
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Famous for Not Complaining
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Location: Broxton, Ga | uno-dos-tres! - 2014-12-11 10:28 AM hlynn - 2014-12-11 10:22 PM CJE - 2014-12-11 9:14 PM NJJ - 2014-12-10 12:16 PM Personally, I don't think ANY money won at ANY "invitational" should count. And the WPRA screwed their members by allowing that to happen. That being said to say that any of the ladies there at the NFR don't "deserve" to be there is asinine. Agree.......and if I am not mistaken.......in a interview Kaley Bass even said herself she didn't think invitational rodeos should count........and it helped her make the NFR........ A few of them made that comment. I saw it on a website that interviewed all 15 of them. "What would you change about rodeo?" A few mentioned invitationals shouldn't count.
The committees are the shakers here. Not the players and the middle man our associations are in a tough spot balancing the "act".
I would love the big rodeos to open up much like the Ft Worth show. I just don't see that ever occurring again. But, I don't ever say never as several girls have learned the reason they got to dance was a big invitational win. Even if they were profoundly against the $ counting. I've not seen one turn down the paid EF's and I've seen smiles as they've raced down the T&M alley.
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Location: In the rockies. | SKM - 2014-12-11 8:43 PM The two that made the big bucks at Houston and Calgary were Kaley and Nancy. Kaley has qualified for the NFR 3 years now. Nancy is clocking great times and she did very well at the rodeos she did go to. Do you honestly believe they shouldn't be there because if so, I have to question if you are watching the same rodeo I am. I don't agree with Houston and Calgary counting. But to say anyone there at the NFR doesn't deserve to be there is crazy. I say that anyone there deserves to live that dream.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | hwh - 2014-12-11 3:38 PM This just goes to show you that when the best on the world are forced to run on really bad ground it makes everybody look like an amateur. Many barrels would not have been hit if the horses knew the ground would hold them. It's a sad, sad NFR this year. You can see the smart horses running safe around the barrels, hell you can tell because of their times. How many times have you seen Sheri Cervi run above 14.1's.....?????
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Location: The Great Midwest | Didn't nancy win Houston in 2013 but didn't make the finals? So no easy trip there. I think she deserved to be there 110%.... Along with Kaley. |
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Location: Where it isn’t cold! | Willow55 - 2014-12-14 2:07 PM
Didn't nancy win Houston in 2013 but didn't make the finals? So no easy trip there. I think she deserved to be there 110%.... Along with Kaley.
Yes, Nancy won Houston in 2013 but it didn't count that year for NFR standings. |
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| CJE - 2014-12-12 11:49 AM
uno-dos-tres! - 2014-12-11 10:28 AM hlynn - 2014-12-11 10:22 PM CJE - 2014-12-11 9:14 PM NJJ - 2014-12-10 12:16 PM Personally, I don't think ANY money won at ANY "invitational" should count. And the WPRA screwed their members by allowing that to happen. That being said to say that any of the ladies there at the NFR don't "deserve" to be there is asinine. Agree.......and if I am not mistaken.......in a interview Kaley Bass even said herself she didn't think invitational rodeos should count........and it helped her make the NFR........ A few of them made that comment. I saw it on a website that interviewed all 15 of them. "What would you change about rodeo?" A few mentioned invitationals shouldn't count.
The committees are the shakers here. Not the players and the middle man our associations are in a tough spot balancing the "act".
I would love the big rodeos to open up much like the Ft Worth show. I just don't see that ever occurring again. But, I don't ever say never as several girls have learned the reason they got to dance was a big invitational win. Even if they were profoundly against the $ counting. I've not seen one turn down the paid EF's and I've seen smiles as they've raced down the T&M alley.
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Why should they turn it down? They qualified fairly under the existing rules. Nothing underhanded happened, they qualified fair and square. It doesn't mean they agree with invitationals qualifying. |
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Location: The Great Midwest | Shorty 2 - 2014-12-14 4:59 PM
Willow55 - 2014-12-14 2:07 PM
Didn't nancy win Houston in 2013 but didn't make the finals? So no easy trip there. I think she deserved to be there 110%.... Along with Kaley.
Yes, Nancy won Houston in 2013 but it didn't count that year for NFR standings.
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Location: North Dakota | Nateracer - 2014-12-11 10:21 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 10:18 AM Nateracer - 2014-12-11 11:11 AM lookout hill - 2014-12-11 10:07 AM It's not riders fault that they were talented enough to win the big rodeos.
They didn't get handed that money, they still had to do a lot of work to win! Its invitation only....not all and allowed to compete.
I agree 100% If you can win at a competitive rodeo w/ a ton of prize # you deserve to go to the NFR! |
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2014-12-15 2:19 AM
Nateracer - 2014-12-11 10:21 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 10:18 AM Nateracer - 2014-12-11 11:11 AM lookout hill - 2014-12-11 10:07 AM It's not riders fault that they were talented enough to win the big rodeos.
They didn't get handed that money, they still had to do a lot of work to win! Its invitation only....not all and allowed to compete. I agree 100% If you can win at a competitive rodeo w/ a ton of prize # you deserve to go to the NFR!
Okay lets not give ppl like Sarah M and others just starting on the rodeo road with good horses a fair chance. If she would have got the invite or had the chance to run at the big invites she would have been in the top 15 without a doubt. |
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| Agreed. That has always been the beauty of rodeo for me. You can BE an "average Joe" (ie someone who hasn't been able to go down the road) and still be able to outrun the toughs. Heck, I have learned to NEVER discount the "local yokels", no matter what their horse looks like or how they are dressed. They have taken my money more than once. And don't forget that Charmayne and Scamper were once those local yokels running at their first rodeo and they made history and records that will stand for many, many years.
Limiting entries can decrease the level of competition. It's like saying that you are afraid some unknown will come in and embarrass the "toughs" by outrunning them. They should at least get the chance. And this is not even mentioning the regional toughs that normally for whatever reason can't don't haul all over the country. Shouldn't they get a chance to prove themselves as bonafide cardholders? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-15 12:19 PM Agreed. That has always been the beauty of rodeo for me. You can BE an "average Joe" (ie someone who hasn't been able to go down the road) and still be able to outrun the toughs. Heck, I have learned to NEVER discount the "local yokels", no matter what their horse looks like or how they are dressed. They have taken my money more than once. And don't forget that Charmayne and Scamper were once those local yokels running at their first rodeo and they made history and records that will stand for many, many years. Limiting entries can decrease the level of competition. It's like saying that you are afraid some unknown will come in and embarrass the "toughs" by outrunning them. They should at least get the chance. And this is not even mentioning the regional toughs that normally for whatever reason can't don't haul all over the country. Shouldn't they get a chance to prove themselves as bonafide cardholders?
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Let's reheat that can of worms