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Location: My own little world :) | Who would you choose and why? I bred my mare last year to Slick but thought I couldn't really afford to do it again this year so I went with Ima Firefighter because I liked him and he was reasonably priced. But I just got a discounted contract in the mail for Slick for being a possible repeat breeder. What do I do??? |
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Since you bred to SBD last year, I would try something different this year. But I like to experiment :) |
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Location: Arkansas | I would choose Ima Firefighter but I don't like OTMR horses so that is just my personal preference. |
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Location: Northeast SD | I'm surprised that they are sending discounts out considering ppl are concerned with the sale value with breeding so many.. Figured they would limit his book in 2015.. Either way I think either stud will produce great! Ima Firefighter is a neat little dude. Seen him run a few times.. very well mannered |
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Location: The Great West | Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell. |
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| Zanadoo88 - 2014-12-12 3:49 AM
Who would you choose and why? I bred my mare last year to Slick but thought I couldn't really afford to do it again this year so I went with Ima Firefighter because I liked him and he was reasonably priced. But I just got a discounted contract in the mail for Slick for being a possible repeat breeder. What do I do???
If they made it so you can afford it, I would go with Slick. |
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Location: My own little world :) | That is what I thought! Why would they be offering discounts when there were so many mare bred to him last year? Do you think they probably aren't worth as much because of that? I want to breed for what I like first but I also like to keep in mind marketability.
I really like Slick and all that he has done. And from what I heard he is very level headed and well mannered and proven to boot. But I like Ima Firefighter also because it seems like they have done a lot with him and he has a good mind but I haven't seen him accomplish as much as Sick By Design. But could that just be circumstance? |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Slick By Design. |
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Location: Ainsworth, NE | Black Horse - 2014-12-12 2:46 PM
Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell.
Ima Firefighter is 15 hands. We did the official measurement with a level across his withers and measuring stick. He is also close to 1200 lbs so he is a stout muscle machine!!!
I agree that Slick has accomplished a lot! But if we had sent Ima Firefighter off to be seriously campaigned by top riders, he may have been as successful. I chose to keep him with me because I wanted to be responsible for him and for me to improve as a barrel trainer , I needed to be training! Before purchasing him, I was the roper who occasionally ran barrels. But then I decided to really get into the horse business which is why we purchased him. I was pregnant during His futurity year - I did send him to be ran by someone but after one event, she broke her wrist (not riding him! On a colt). So I ran him at one futurity- hit a barrel the first round, but won the amateur and placed In The second round. But after that I was too pregnant to run at any more.
Because I loved to rope, the next year he was hauled to amateur rodeos so I could continue breakaway roping... The reason He isn't a big time money earner isn't because he isn't capable... It's because of the choices I made.
I love him and I know if I'd sent him off he would probably be more "famous" now, but I don't regret my decisions!!! His first three babies that I have ran have all won money (with me still learning...). And joy Wargo has one that will run this year and she is looking OUTSTANDING!!!
So, to summarize, I think both are good options... But if it was me, I'd pick Backdraft (ima firefighter)!!!!!
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Location: SE Missouri | sonyawalz - 2014-12-22 10:57 PM Black Horse - 2014-12-12 2:46 PM Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell. Ima Firefighter is 15 hands. We did the official measurement with a level across his withers and measuring stick. He is also close to 1200 lbs so he is a stout muscle machine!!! I agree that Slick has accomplished a lot! But if we had sent Ima Firefighter off to be seriously campaigned by top riders, he may have been as successful. I chose to keep him with me because I wanted to be responsible for him and for me to improve as a barrel trainer , I needed to be training! Before purchasing him, I was the roper who occasionally ran barrels. But then I decided to really get into the horse business which is why we purchased him. I was pregnant during His futurity year - I did send him to be ran by someone but after one event, she broke her wrist (not riding him! On a colt ). So I ran him at one futurity- hit a barrel the first round, but won the amateur and placed In The second round. But after that I was too pregnant to run at any more. Because I loved to rope, the next year he was hauled to amateur rodeos so I could continue breakaway roping... The reason He isn't a big time money earner isn't because he isn't capable... It's because of the choices I made. I love him and I know if I'd sent him off he would probably be more "famous" now, but I don't regret my decisions!!! His first three babies that I have ran have all won money (with me still learning... ). And joy Wargo has one that will run this year and she is looking OUTSTANDING!!! So, to summarize, I think both are good options... But if it was me, I'd pick Backdraft (ima firefighter )!!!!!
It's been a couple years since I spoke with Sonya and I didn't breed to Backdraft then BUT he is still at the top of my list. I absolutely loved visiting with her and appreciate how they use him for any and everything!. I have a racing winning Strawfly Special x Ronas Ryon that needs a date with him honestly. |
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| I honestly had 2 Ima Firefighters both are going to be kick but horses! I had great mares an I wanted color along with a good body! Firefighter has given all I wished for. I would stick with your gut instink cause it seems to be what you truly want! 
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| Unless your mare is a superstar or a superstar producer, Slick probably isn't the best choice. They bred SO many mares last year that they aren't going to have the value they should. |
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| I have seen a couple Ima Firefighter colts in competition, as the oldest colts have just gotten to competition age in the last couple years...they have all had a ton of ability, run, athleticism. Whole package!
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | Ive seen a few Ima Firefighter babies in person.
All I can say is I was very impressed.
very well built babies with lots of bone and great minds.
Personally, I dont really go for the "designer"breeding, I look for what works for everything. Roping, barrels, ranch work, kids, ect. Our horses have to be jack of all trades and in that aspect, I would go with Backdraft. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | caboy61 - 2014-12-23 7:43 AM Unless your mare is a superstar or a superstar producer, Slick probably isn't the best choice. They bred SO many mares last year that they aren't going to have the value they should.
I understand your thinking but I doubt this is true. I know they are industry leaders with financial and win records to back their venture in to the breeding business. They will do everything they can to get the mares to him and create & promote value. I think it is respectable for them to offer a discounted fee for return mares, what a generous offer.
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Location: Kentucky | sonyawalz - 2014-12-22 11:57 PM Black Horse - 2014-12-12 2:46 PM Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell. Ima Firefighter is 15 hands. We did the official measurement with a level across his withers and measuring stick. He is also close to 1200 lbs so he is a stout muscle machine!!! I agree that Slick has accomplished a lot! But if we had sent Ima Firefighter off to be seriously campaigned by top riders, he may have been as successful. I chose to keep him with me because I wanted to be responsible for him and for me to improve as a barrel trainer , I needed to be training! Before purchasing him, I was the roper who occasionally ran barrels. But then I decided to really get into the horse business which is why we purchased him. I was pregnant during His futurity year - I did send him to be ran by someone but after one event, she broke her wrist (not riding him! On a colt ). So I ran him at one futurity- hit a barrel the first round, but won the amateur and placed In The second round. But after that I was too pregnant to run at any more. Because I loved to rope, the next year he was hauled to amateur rodeos so I could continue breakaway roping... The reason He isn't a big time money earner isn't because he isn't capable... It's because of the choices I made. I love him and I know if I'd sent him off he would probably be more "famous" now, but I don't regret my decisions!!! His first three babies that I have ran have all won money (with me still learning... ). And joy Wargo has one that will run this year and she is looking OUTSTANDING!!! So, to summarize, I think both are good options... But if it was me, I'd pick Backdraft (ima firefighter )!!!!!
I remember when you first got him, I knew he was nice then. I've enjoyed watching him succeed! |
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Location: Texas | I like Slick By Design. We bred last year but my mare didnt take, she had a late baby and then had a uterine infection so we decided to wait and rebreed.
I think it's kind of the thing to say that Slick had so many mares in foal so his babies will be cheaper.. I've heard it, I said it, but honestly.. I've already priced and have a buyer for my slick baby and it's not even conceived yet. So after that, I'm really not concerned.
Also wanted to add- I wouldn't think anything of the farm offering a discounted contract. That is pretty common for stallion owners to discount repeat customers, especially on young stallions who don't have competition aged babies yet. I think of it as a loyalty thing. I bred to First Down French, rebred the next year and got a little taken off for the repeat customer.. I thought it was nice and it sealed the deal for me to breed back to him.
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| Any time you breed a quality mare, you're going to have a market for the foal. The babies I see selling cheap by solid stallions are those out of female horses with nothing behind them.
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| I'm just saying you think that they would be wanting to breed to the only the best mares out there to get his % of winners up there because we all know that many amazing mares are being bred to him.. If this would happen and they would get the % of winners up they could easily sky rocket the breeding fee and those amazing mares would still be knocking at their door. I just thought they would limit his book to only those. JMO I'm taking a look at this as a business stand point
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I'd probably pick Slick for resale reasons. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Tatum2 - 2014-12-24 8:26 AM I'm just saying you think that they would be wanting to breed to the only the best mares out there to get his % of winners up there because we all know that many amazing mares are being bred to him.. If this would happen and they would get the % of winners up they could easily sky rocket the breeding fee and those amazing mares would still be knocking at their door. I just thought they would limit his book to only those. JMO I'm taking a look at this as a business stand point
I am guessing the "average Joe" is happy they arent limiting it as you thought they should. And I am pretty sure they have a stellar line up of mares already, so that will help his book as well. |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | More colts gives them more chances to have lots of success too. That can work both ways. |
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| This is pretty much the opposite way of thinking that Jason and I have. We have been in the training and breeding business for over 20 years and in that time never did I ever go look at a prospect and think " oh , it's a really nice prospect but there's so many out there by that stud" , instead I look for great prospects and horses, I don't care if the stallion of the prospect has 10 or 1000 foals, all I care about is the prospect and if it's has the qualities I'm looking for in a good horse. And why would I want to out price my horse so only the wealthy can breed to him? We are in the breeding business to sell breedings. We sent out discounts to return breeders as a thank you . We were very fortunate to breed some of the very top mares in the industry and a very greatful , but I've ridden and trained a lot of nice horses that were out of unknown or average mares. Slick not only has an amazing record, but he is the best minded and kindest barrel stallion I have ever seen. I think Ima Firefighter is a very nice horse also, you should pick the stallion which best suits your mare . Charlie |
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| Dash Ta Fame has 2750 foals. I have not yet seen anywhere you can buy them for a dime a dozen. Slick was very fortunate to breed some of the very best mares in the Industry last year. These mares are owned by great owners and will be promoted by great riders. We feel this will help the marketablebility of his foals in the future.
When you go to a barrel race and 5 out of the top 10 in the 1D are Dash Ta Fames do you leave the barrel race saying I want a Dash Ta Fame or do you say who would ever want a Dash Ta Fame even if they win there are just to many?
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Location: Texas | Cwby1 - 2014-12-24 11:15 PM This is pretty much the opposite way of thinking that Jason and I have. We have been in the training and breeding business for over 20 years and in that time never did I ever go look at a prospect and think " oh , it's a really nice prospect but there's so many out there by that stud" , instead I look for great prospects and horses, I don't care if the stallion of the prospect has 10 or 1000 foals, all I care about is the prospect and if it's has the qualities I'm looking for in a good horse. And why would I want to out price my horse so only the wealthy can breed to him? We are in the breeding business to sell breedings. We sent out discounts to return breeders as a thank you . We were very fortunate to breed some of the very top mares in the industry and a very greatful , but I've ridden and trained a lot of nice horses that were out of unknown or average mares. Slick not only has an amazing record, but he is the best minded and kindest barrel stallion I have ever seen. I think Ima Firefighter is a very nice horse also, you should pick the stallion which best suits your mare . Charlie
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Location: Nowhere Special | Random general statement, as I think both studs are nice and you really couldn't go wrong with either one.
When comparing a horses achievements you have to take into consideration their geographical location. To "Prove" a horse in the north will take a tremendous amount of more money, time and hauling then it takes to prove horse in the south. Barrel races are few and far in between (both distance and time) up north, the entries are fewer, its usually a much longer haul to the bigger added money barrel races as well as futurities. All of this takes more money in fuel, more time to get there, more hauling on the horse so on and so forth. Then add in the limited "riding time" due to weather in the north.. A horse in the south has a much better opportunity to get the training, hauling and runs in just simply due to the vast availability of barrel races, less hauling, less stress and more training time.. JMO |
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Location: My own little world :) | Cwby1 - 2014-12-24 11:15 PM
This is pretty much the opposite way of thinking that Jason and I have. We have been in the training and breeding business for over 20 years and in that time never did I ever go look at a prospect and think " oh , it's a really nice prospect but there's so many out there by that stud" , instead I look for great prospects and horses, I don't care if the stallion of the prospect has 10 or 1000 foals, all I care about is the prospect and if it's has the qualities I'm looking for in a good horse. And why would I want to out price my horse so only the wealthy can breed to him? We are in the breeding business to sell breedings. We sent out discounts to return breeders as a thank you . We were very fortunate to breed some of the very top mares in the industry and a very greatful , but I've ridden and trained a lot of nice horses that were out of unknown or average mares. Slick not only has an amazing record, but he is the best minded and kindest barrel stallion I have ever seen. I think Ima Firefighter is a very nice horse also, you should pick the stallion which best suits your mare . Charlie
This is awesome! And I am so appreciative of the discount as it looks like with his success I may not be able to afford him in the future! This my be a very novice question but how do you really figure what stallion is the best match for your mare? Especially when you can't see the stallions in person? |
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Location: sunny california | I think you need to consider first if your decision to breed is an emotional one or if it is strickly buisness. For buisness: I think I would have to go with slick for marketability reasons. They have proven that they will go the distance and their record for choices improves my chances of having a good investment. Note I am not saying the resulting horse will be any better, but I feel the investment would.
If I won the lotto and could afford to make my decisions based on pure emotion, I would go with Ima Firefighter cuz I like him so much!!!!
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | Both are nice... can't go wrong thats for sure.... but if had to make a choice btwn those two - I'd choose Ima Firefighter.. have a friend with 2 of his foals.. both are nice and solid.. never offered to buck.. great minds and real honest performers.. they are coming 2 and 3 yr olds this year - they are both built great - her mare was a real nice proven barrel horse and on the smaller side and both foals are bigger than the mare and built perfect. I would say you can't go wrong with a Backdraft baby. And I would bet money in the next 2 to 3 years you are going to see a lot of his babies winning in the barrel pen. |
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Location: here | I have always liked Ima Firefighters color and conformation. Now if I just had a mare to breed to him he would be my pick. Ha ha |
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| If you really go back and look at their parentage. Copper Bugs was the horse that still ran an All American race and was lame in 3 of 4 legs. Can you just imagine how fast he really was!! Also you need to take into consideration of how much the foal your wanting to get is going to be your sole mate in your riding! If you have a good dance partner and you love the hoer The SKY is The Limit!! That is with us all!! I have proven this. I went to a killer horse sale and bought a horse. Spent the time and energy now she is one AWSOME mare!! Even was rode by a past NFR qualifier as a back up at a rodeo!! Do your own thing! |
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| Here is something to think about?
Slick is the highest money earning equi-stat stallion EVER! Fastest time ever by a stallion at the NFR. He is one of the quietest, easiest to be around horses out there, YES i said horses, NOT just stallions. He is YOUNG, and has been successful at every level possible.
With the idea of keeping his breeding fee affordable, everyone that wants to can breed to him. YES, the owners could have raised his fee to 4-5,000 and limited his book to 75, and he would have been booked full. But then us common folks would never have the chance to breed to an outstanding individual like Slick.
It all has to do with what your goals are, and what will compliment your mare. It isn't just about the stud, its the mare as well. If your mare would compliment a more explosive speed, with turn then Slick would be your choice. If you are looking for a more turny style, to compliment a mare that might have plenty of speed, and you don't care about what a stallion has won in earnings- then imafirefighter may be better for you.
It all depends on what you are looking for and what you are after. All stallions bring something to the table, and everyone has a choice. Does it mean one is better than the other, not necessarily.
My choice is clear. NFR Qualifier, Black, and a Champion at every level. A true athlete and competitor with a heart bigger than anything I have ever seen. At an extremely affordable rate, with a top notch ranch that stands and promotes him. Backed by his disposition, incredible look, structural soundness, and ability to perform; that is why I have two daughters of Dash ta Fame in foal to him for 2015.
Will his babies be worth less because he bred an enormous amount of mares in 2014? By the calls and emails I get asking to price mine before they are born- I don't think so? |
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Location: Ainsworth, NE | I think that when promoting younger stallions, you need to get the numbers out there! We all know that proven mares and proven producing mares probably have a better statistical chance of producing a winner because there should be stronger genetics and because those type of foals are then more apt to be put into the hands of professional/knowledgeable trainers. But, we also know that sometimes the "average" mare and the "average" trainer can go onto be amazing! So, knowing that I am always willing to book mares to people who are wanting to improve their chances.
As I said before, I think both of them are great options for either resale or for your next prospect. I don't know if you have actually spoken with the owners of Slick. But if not, I think you should. And I also think you should give me a call! You could then visit about some of your concerns and about what you are excited about regarding each option. Before you make your final decision I would love to be able to send you an information packet on him and to get the chance to actually visit with you! My cell is 402-760-1624, please feel free to call anytime!!! |
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| I bred to slick by design only because my horses are very closely related to backdraft. I can say both stallions are managed by fantastic people. Sonya works hard for people and is doing her best to promote her stallions. I appreciate slick by design staying "reasonable" for the small person like myself who has a top notch mare who deserves a nice stallion but I can't spend 5000 on a stud fee. Working with Christy at Highpointe has been a pleasure and I can only imagine that is a reflection of the stallion owners. The kindness I have been extended as a "nobody's" in barrel racing has been a wonderful surprise. Point being either stallion is nice and I don't think you can go wrong.
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| Slick by a thousand, ......he's at the top of his game! My ima firefighter is a pure counterfeit bronc. Who knows why. If any one wants him cheap message me, he is really cute!,, |
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| tjac477 - 2015-03-26 11:05 PM
Slick by a thousand, ......he's at the top of his game! My ima firefighter is a pure counterfeit bronc. Who knows why. If any one wants him cheap message me, he is really cute!,,
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| peagle - 2014-12-27 12:46 PM Here is something to think about? Slick is the highest money earning equi-stat stallion EVER! Fastest time ever by a stallion at the NFR. He is one of the quietest, easiest to be around horses out there, YES i said horses, NOT just stallions. He is YOUNG, and has been successful at every level possible. With the idea of keeping his breeding fee affordable, everyone that wants to can breed to him. YES, the owners could have raised his fee to 4-5,000 and limited his book to 75, and he would have been booked full. But then us common folks would never have the chance to breed to an outstanding individual like Slick. It all has to do with what your goals are, and what will compliment your mare. It isn't just about the stud, its the mare as well. If your mare would compliment a more explosive speed, with turn then Slick would be your choice. If you are looking for a more turny style, to compliment a mare that might have plenty of speed, and you don't care about what a stallion has won in earnings- then imafirefighter may be better for you. It all depends on what you are looking for and what you are after. All stallions bring something to the table, and everyone has a choice. Does it mean one is better than the other, not necessarily. My choice is clear. NFR Qualifier, Black, and a Champion at every level. A true athlete and competitor with a heart bigger than anything I have ever seen. At an extremely affordable rate, with a top notch ranch that stands and promotes him. Backed by his disposition, incredible look, structural soundness, and ability to perform; that is why I have two daughters of Dash ta Fame in foal to him for 2015. Will his babies be worth less because he bred an enormous amount of mares in 2014? By the calls and emails I get asking to price mine before they are born- I don't think so?
I agree with this..... I would choose the stallion that can run at the NFR level. Not saying Ima Firefighter isn't a nice stud, but if you want to run with the best you have to have one bred like the best. I don't believe that champions are random in this modern age, champions are chosen before they are born through the dam and sire they are born to. It is just as expensive to raise a colt from a high achieving stud as it is from a lesser achieving stud, I wouldn't over-analyze this to death, I'd just personally go with the more proven sire. |
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| trickster j - 2015-03-27 12:22 AM peagle - 2014-12-27 12:46 PM Here is something to think about? Slick is the highest money earning equi-stat stallion EVER! Fastest time ever by a stallion at the NFR. He is one of the quietest, easiest to be around horses out there, YES i said horses, NOT just stallions. He is YOUNG, and has been successful at every level possible. With the idea of keeping his breeding fee affordable, everyone that wants to can breed to him. YES, the owners could have raised his fee to 4-5,000 and limited his book to 75, and he would have been booked full. But then us common folks would never have the chance to breed to an outstanding individual like Slick. It all has to do with what your goals are, and what will compliment your mare. It isn't just about the stud, its the mare as well. If your mare would compliment a more explosive speed, with turn then Slick would be your choice. If you are looking for a more turny style, to compliment a mare that might have plenty of speed, and you don't care about what a stallion has won in earnings- then imafirefighter may be better for you. It all depends on what you are looking for and what you are after. All stallions bring something to the table, and everyone has a choice. Does it mean one is better than the other, not necessarily. My choice is clear. NFR Qualifier, Black, and a Champion at every level. A true athlete and competitor with a heart bigger than anything I have ever seen. At an extremely affordable rate, with a top notch ranch that stands and promotes him. Backed by his disposition, incredible look, structural soundness, and ability to perform; that is why I have two daughters of Dash ta Fame in foal to him for 2015. Will his babies be worth less because he bred an enormous amount of mares in 2014? By the calls and emails I get asking to price mine before they are born- I don't think so? I agree with this..... I would choose the stallion that can run at the NFR level. Not saying Ima Firefighter isn't a nice stud, but if you want to run with the best you have to have one bred like the best. I don't believe that champions are random in this modern age, champions are chosen before they are born through the dam and sire they are born to. It is just as expensive to raise a colt from a high achieving stud as it is from a lesser achieving stud, I wouldn't over-analyze this to death, I'd just personally go with the more proven sire.
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| Itsme - 2015-03-26 11:30 PM trickster j - 2015-03-27 12:22 AM peagle - 2014-12-27 12:46 PM Here is something to think about? Slick is the highest money earning equi-stat stallion EVER! Fastest time ever by a stallion at the NFR. He is one of the quietest, easiest to be around horses out there, YES i said horses, NOT just stallions. He is YOUNG, and has been successful at every level possible. With the idea of keeping his breeding fee affordable, everyone that wants to can breed to him. YES, the owners could have raised his fee to 4-5,000 and limited his book to 75, and he would have been booked full. But then us common folks would never have the chance to breed to an outstanding individual like Slick. It all has to do with what your goals are, and what will compliment your mare. It isn't just about the stud, its the mare as well. If your mare would compliment a more explosive speed, with turn then Slick would be your choice. If you are looking for a more turny style, to compliment a mare that might have plenty of speed, and you don't care about what a stallion has won in earnings- then imafirefighter may be better for you. It all depends on what you are looking for and what you are after. All stallions bring something to the table, and everyone has a choice. Does it mean one is better than the other, not necessarily. My choice is clear. NFR Qualifier, Black, and a Champion at every level. A true athlete and competitor with a heart bigger than anything I have ever seen. At an extremely affordable rate, with a top notch ranch that stands and promotes him. Backed by his disposition, incredible look, structural soundness, and ability to perform; that is why I have two daughters of Dash ta Fame in foal to him for 2015. Will his babies be worth less because he bred an enormous amount of mares in 2014? By the calls and emails I get asking to price mine before they are born- I don't think so? I agree with this..... I would choose the stallion that can run at the NFR level. Not saying Ima Firefighter isn't a nice stud, but if you want to run with the best you have to have one bred like the best. I don't believe that champions are random in this modern age, champions are chosen before they are born through the dam and sire they are born to. It is just as expensive to raise a colt from a high achieving stud as it is from a lesser achieving stud, I wouldn't over-analyze this to death, I'd just personally go with the more proven sire. 100% disagree
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| Watched slick run all summer long in 2013, and I was very impressed! He's def gritty, and that's hard to find. Of course I'm a huge believer in breeding to talented mares too, I don't breed anything but the mares I've won on. :) I don't know that much about im a firefighter, other than his breeding and I thought it was nice, I haven't seen him produce many winners though. However I did breed my rodeo horse to frenchmans fabulous, Ive been super impressed with his babies, and I do have a Blazin Jetolena colt that is outstanding, I wish I could have bred my mare back to him but he was booked full. |
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| Black Horse - 2014-12-12 12:46 PM
Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell.
FYI I don't believe slick is that big either, don't know his official measurement but he doesn't look over 15 hands to me |
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Location: Where I am happiest | tjac477 - 2015-03-26 11:34 PM Slick by a thousand . His foals are out there kicking it. No comparison.
I dont know how that could be. He doesnt have any foals competing yet. |
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| tjac477 - 2015-03-26 11:34 PM
Slick by a thousand . His foals are out there kicking it. No comparison.
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Location: Hernando, Ms | Ima Firefighter I love him!!! Would LOVE a baby by him. Him and my mare would have a level headed baby. Love me some Buckskin babies. |
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| Ima Firefighter - I saw him in person once and I have loved him ever since. I also prefer FWF over Designer Red, so it would be an easy decision for me. Oh, and Ima Firefighters foals ARE out there "kickin' it" - Vegas Firefighter was 8th in the Diamonds and Dirt futurity just to name one. |
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Location: Kansas | tjac477 - 2015-03-26 10:34 PM
Slick by a thousand . His foals are out there kicking it. No comparison.
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| tjac477 - 2015-03-26 11:05 PM
Slick by a thousand, ......he's at the top of his game! My ima firefighter is a pure counterfeit bronc. Who knows why. If any one wants him cheap message me, he is really cute!,,
Booooo...Idiot!
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Location: Ainsworth, NE | luckygirl04 - 2015-03-27 2:10 AM Black Horse - 2014-12-12 12:46 PM Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell. FYI I don't believe slick is that big either, don't know his official measurement but he doesn't look over 15 hands to me
We measured Ima Firefighter and he is 15 hands. and when he is in shape, on the scale he is 1179 lbs. |
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Location: Ainsworth, NE | WrapN3MN - 2015-03-27 8:14 AM Ima Firefighter - I saw him in person once and I have loved him ever since. I also prefer FWF over Designer Red, so it would be an easy decision for me. Oh, and Ima Firefighters foals ARE out there "kickin' it" - Vegas Firefighter was 8th in the Diamonds and Dirt futurity just to name one.
IMA FIREFIGHTER has offspring that are WINNING!
in 2015 there have been TWO Ima Firefighters to compete.
~Joy Wargo and Vegas Firefighter ran in the 1D 5 of their 6 runs in the January futurities and placed in the average in 2 of the 3 weekends (one tipped barrel in 5 of 6 runs). She also ran a 15.9 in the Diamonds and Dirt futurity short round and placed 2nd in the short round. Plus she placed in the Average! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4o_DW7mFZs
~Then last weekend Megan White and Rare Firefighter won the 2D of their futurity in the first round, came back and made an even better run in the second round and placed in the top 10 of the 1D futurity average!
~ and I now know of 2 other futurity prospects that are expected to run this fall! I have seen videos of both of them and I am impressed! Both have clocked true 2D times as they are getting finished so by this fall, they will be ready to really rock!
in 2013 there was ONE Ima Firefighter that was entered and she won Futurity Money! (then had an unfortunate death early in 2014)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfiXsqslAM
in 2014 there were THREE Ima Firefighters entered in Futurities.
~ One I purchased from someone and he was SOOOO far behind but we entered him anyway and he was so close to winning $ in the Arizona Futurities in January. We then sold him to someone who didn't continue with the futurity options.
~ The other one I ran and he won 1D futurity money in the fall of 2014 and is now still working Great plus we have started roping steers on him.
~ The third I purchased as well (was one my cousin raised) in fall of 2013 and she got kicked here and couldn't be ridden the rest of 2013 and into early summer of 2014. After that, she came back great. I only entered her in 1 futurity that had a 2D sidepot because she was not ready to go and make that perfect winning 1D type run. But she did place in the 2D! And then I concentrated on getting her ready for my daughter. This January my 8 year old daughter teamed up with her in Arizona and they did AMAZING together! "Susie" as we call her is a cute paint mare. My cousin Susie bred her cool little paint mare to Ima Firefighter which is where she came from. And we are so glad that we have her because she takes care of my daughter! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_po6_qeqhOw
So, I have to say I am so VERY VERY proud of the performers that have so far ran. And if you consider the percentage of horses that are winning money compared to the total entered, that is 6 horses entered and 5 have won money.
And not to take anything away from Slick because he has proven that he is a true winner! And I will assume that he too will produce horses that go on to win. But right now, Ima Firefighter is already proving that his offspring can win! So, I honestly believe that either option you choose you will have a foal that will either be a very profitable selling option or one that you will be very successful with if you choose to keep it for yourself. |
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| tjac477 - 2015-03-26 11:05 PM
Slick by a thousand, ......he's at the top of his game! My ima firefighter is a pure counterfeit bronc. Who knows why. If any one wants him cheap message me, he is really cute!,,
I don't think I would count him out just because of one baby..... You have to look at the dam side as well  |
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Location: Texas | I've posted on this thread a while back when it first came up..
But any who
I bred my mare to SBD last week. I am really excited about it.
I saw the Ima Firefighter baby run at the Diamonds and Dirt and was really impressed! I just think it boils down to what you want.
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| I have seen several counterfeit Designer Reds so on pedigree alone I would pick Ima Firefighter but I am breeding a mare to SBD this year and I hope this cross turns out nice. Who I would choose would depend if I was keeping the foal for myself or resale. SBD fee is high for him not to have any babies even riding yet IMO but Ima Firefighter is really reasonable and already proven he can produce. Just because a horse is great themselves doesn't mean they have the ability to pass that on to the offspring. |
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| It's really unnecessary to tear one horse down to build another up. Different people get along with different types of horses. Build, temperament, attitude, background all play a part in what an individual person prefers. And thank goodness there is a great variety of horses out there to choose from, whether breeding for specific traits or buying a horse that possesses the traits you look for. Kumbayah, y'all. LOL! |
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| bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:35 AM
It's really unnecessary to tear one horse down to build another up. Different people get along with different types of horses. Build, temperament, attitude, background all play a part in what an individual person prefers. And thank goodness there is a great variety of horses out there to choose from, whether breeding for specific traits or buying a horse that possesses the traits you look for. Kumbayah, y'all. LOL!
I agree and I don't think people take the dam side into account enough ! To me both these stallions bring two totally different things to the table.... |
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-03-27 10:38 AM
bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:35 AM
It's really unnecessary to tear one horse down to build another up. Different people get along with different types of horses. Build, temperament, attitude, background all play a part in what an individual person prefers. And thank goodness there is a great variety of horses out there to choose from, whether breeding for specific traits or buying a horse that possesses the traits you look for. Kumbayah, y'all. LOL!
I agree and I don't think people take the dam side into account enough ! To me both these stallions bring two totally different things to the table....
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-03-27 10:38 AM
bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:35 AM
It's really unnecessary to tear one horse down to build another up. Different people get along with different types of horses. Build, temperament, attitude, background all play a part in what an individual person prefers. And thank goodness there is a great variety of horses out there to choose from, whether breeding for specific traits or buying a horse that possesses the traits you look for. Kumbayah, y'all. LOL!
I agree and I don't think people take the dam side into account enough ! To me both these stallions bring two totally different things to the table....
I like both, have offspring of both.
Why do you say they bring two totally different things to the table?
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| arion - 2015-03-27 11:16 AM
Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-03-27 10:38 AM
bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:35 AM
It's really unnecessary to tear one horse down to build another up. Different people get along with different types of horses. Build, temperament, attitude, background all play a part in what an individual person prefers. And thank goodness there is a great variety of horses out there to choose from, whether breeding for specific traits or buying a horse that possesses the traits you look for. Kumbayah, y'all. LOL!
I agree and I don't think people take the dam side into account enough ! To me both these stallions bring two totally different things to the table....
I like both, have offspring of both.
Why do you say they bring two totally different things to the table?
IMO they are different in their conformation for one. For example from my experience if I had a mare I wanted more turn on I would go with FWF because you tend to get more turn but with Designer Red from the ones I have been around you are going to get more run. Now that saying we don't know what Slick will produce as I am just going off pedigree for all we know his babies may have a ton of rate and need to be crossed on run. No way to know until they are riding age. I personally bred my DFP daughter to Slick as I think he will put some run in her foal and she is a BIG mare so hopefully I will get some size from her. I have a daughter of Hot Colours that I wouldn't dare cross on Slick because I am not that brave and she is a shorter mare lol but I am going to cross her on a son of FWF that I think will add some turn and hopefully height to her foal. |
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Location: Texas | I picked my 15.2 Stoli daughter to breed to slick by design. I have had two of her own babies before, both by different stallions. Both are structurally correct and have good frames. the first down french colt is really shapey, and the firewater ta fame is going to be tall and leggy. i do think its a little bit of a gamble with SBD to see what his babies will look like, since there aren't many of them and the ones that are there are young. But, so far, I have been impressed, and I know that my mare has produced solid conformationally correct babies so far.. so I'm not worried. I've also seen him in person and don't have any complaints about him either. I know he's not a huge horse, but I'm not breeding for huge size. |
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-03-27 12:01 PM
arion - 2015-03-27 11:16 AM
Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-03-27 10:38 AM
bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:35 AM
It's really unnecessary to tear one horse down to build another up. Different people get along with different types of horses. Build, temperament, attitude, background all play a part in what an individual person prefers. And thank goodness there is a great variety of horses out there to choose from, whether breeding for specific traits or buying a horse that possesses the traits you look for. Kumbayah, y'all. LOL!
I agree and I don't think people take the dam side into account enough ! To me both these stallions bring two totally different things to the table....
I like both, have offspring of both.
Why do you say they bring two totally different things to the table?
IMO they are different in their conformation for one. For example from my experience if I had a mare I wanted more turn on I would go with FWF because you tend to get more turn but with Designer Red from the ones I have been around you are going to get more run. Now that saying we don't know what Slick will produce as I am just going off pedigree for all we know his babies may have a ton of rate and need to be crossed on run. No way to know until they are riding age. I personally bred my DFP daughter to Slick as I think he will put some run in her foal and she is a BIG mare so hopefully I will get some size from her. I have a daughter of Hot Colours that I wouldn't dare cross on Slick because I am not that brave and she is a shorter mare lol but I am going to cross her on a son of FWF that I think will add some turn and hopefully height to her foal.
Gotcha
I think that SBD and I'ma are very similar types.
both about the same size and build, SBD maybe slightly less bulky.
But run, both turn and while one has produced more the the other the other has done more himself.
You have potato, patato
Just my .02 have been around both and having offspring from both.
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| arion - 2015-03-27 12:17 PM
Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-03-27 12:01 PM
arion - 2015-03-27 11:16 AM
Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-03-27 10:38 AM
bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:35 AM
It's really unnecessary to tear one horse down to build another up. Different people get along with different types of horses. Build, temperament, attitude, background all play a part in what an individual person prefers. And thank goodness there is a great variety of horses out there to choose from, whether breeding for specific traits or buying a horse that possesses the traits you look for. Kumbayah, y'all. LOL!
I agree and I don't think people take the dam side into account enough ! To me both these stallions bring two totally different things to the table....
I like both, have offspring of both.
Why do you say they bring two totally different things to the table?
IMO they are different in their conformation for one. For example from my experience if I had a mare I wanted more turn on I would go with FWF because you tend to get more turn but with Designer Red from the ones I have been around you are going to get more run. Now that saying we don't know what Slick will produce as I am just going off pedigree for all we know his babies may have a ton of rate and need to be crossed on run. No way to know until they are riding age. I personally bred my DFP daughter to Slick as I think he will put some run in her foal and she is a BIG mare so hopefully I will get some size from her. I have a daughter of Hot Colours that I wouldn't dare cross on Slick because I am not that brave and she is a shorter mare lol but I am going to cross her on a son of FWF that I think will add some turn and hopefully height to her foal.
Gotcha
I think that SBD and I'ma are very similar types.
both about the same size and build, SBD maybe slightly less bulky.
But run, both turn and while one has produced more the the other the other has done more himself.
You have potato, patato
Just my .02 have been around both and having offspring from both.
I have not seen them in person and pics can be deceiving ! I just want to see pics of your SBD baby :) ! I haven't seen many of them besides little babies. How old is yours? |
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