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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Kitty litter in my stalls? My mares pee everywhere and the ammonia smell is awful. I use PDZ at shows but it's too expensive to use everyday or every other day. Little litter is cheap but is it safe? |
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Location: Kentucky | TessBelle - 2014-12-15 10:11 AM
Kitty litter in my stalls? My mares pee everywhere and the ammonia smell is awful. I use PDZ at shows but it's too expensive to use everyday or every other day. Little litter is cheap but is it safe?
I know of someone that uses kitty litter in their gelding's stall. He pees in the exact same spot every time so it creates a mess. She has used it for years. |
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Location: Kansas | odd....but I'm assuming it could be used. |
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Location: Northern CA | The bedding pellets or wood stove pellets are awesome for soaking up pee. My gelding pees in the same spot all the time, I just put a bag of pellets down and don't wet it, they soak it up, make it easy to clean, and 1 bag ($5) lasts 5 to 7 days. |
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Location: Here | Yes and Oil Absorb is basically the same thing and a whole lots cheaper |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | The farrier told me to use powdered lime but I don't know where to get it so kitty litter was what I came up with. I look and the PDZ that I use has the same ingrediance that my cats litter has but the kitty litter smells good.
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| halter_ego - 2014-12-15 9:30 AM
The bedding pellets or wood stove pellets are awesome for soaking up pee. My gelding pees in the same spot all the time, I just put a bag of pellets down and don't wet it, they soak it up, make it easy to clean, and 1 bag ($5) lasts 5 to 7 days.
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Location: MD | Have you tried using pelleted bedding? it has that same clumping action the kitty litter has but it may be more cost effective.
ETA: this may also help you http://fiber-mill.com/high-performance-bedding/
Edited by Crowned Image 2014-12-15 10:13 AM
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | burning ember - 2014-12-15 10:07 AM
halter_ego - 2014-12-15 9:30 AM
The bedding pellets or wood stove pellets are awesome for soaking up pee. My gelding pees in the same spot all the time, I just put a bag of pellets down and don't wet it, they soak it up, make it easy to clean, and 1 bag ($5) lasts 5 to 7 days.
I agree with this 100%
I'm not sure exactly what your talking about. The only pellets I know about are the ones you spread and wet but there $16 a bag. |
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Location: Kentucky | TessBelle - 2014-12-15 11:12 AM burning ember - 2014-12-15 10:07 AM halter_ego - 2014-12-15 9:30 AM The bedding pellets or wood stove pellets are awesome for soaking up pee. My gelding pees in the same spot all the time, I just put a bag of pellets down and don't wet it, they soak it up, make it easy to clean, and 1 bag ($5) lasts 5 to 7 days. I agree with this 100% I'm not sure exactly what your talking about. The only pellets I know about are the ones you spread and wet but there $16 a bag.
http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg%3B-pine-pellet-stall-bedding-40-lb |
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| TessBelle - 2014-12-15 10:12 AM burning ember - 2014-12-15 10:07 AM halter_ego - 2014-12-15 9:30 AM The bedding pellets or wood stove pellets are awesome for soaking up pee. My gelding pees in the same spot all the time, I just put a bag of pellets down and don't wet it, they soak it up, make it easy to clean, and 1 bag ($5) lasts 5 to 7 days. I agree with this 100% I'm not sure exactly what your talking about. The only pellets I know about are the ones you spread and wet but there $16 a bag.
I believe she's talking about these .... http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/wood-fuel-pellets-40-lb?cm_mm... |
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Location: NC | Pelleted bedding works wonder. I have a gelding who pees a ton and the pelleted bedding works wonders. Its like kitty litter and you take the clumps out. |
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| We use those too, they are awesome and soaks up the pee really well! It does help with the smell too. |
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| lime works well in drying up and ordor |
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Location: Driving, Grooming, or Saddling for a Kid! | Can you just sprinkle straight lime down? |
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| DunIt - 2014-12-15 12:11 PM Can you just sprinkle straight lime down?
On dirt floors we put down lime, then stall mats, then bedding .... if you don' t have mats, just be sure to have bedding over the lime. |
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Location: Okla | The problem I run into is the witchy mares make sure they have a "clean" spot in the shavings and pee on the mats!! Then the pee just sits there with shavings piled up all around it. |
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| TessBelle - 2014-12-15 9:11 AM
Kitty litter in my stalls? My mares pee everywhere and the ammonia smell is awful. I use PDZ at shows but it's too expensive to use everyday or every other day. Little litter is cheap but is it safe?
As you know the ammonia smell is due to OVER feeding high protein feeds and the horse is peeing off the excess proteins. Cut back 25% on your high protein feed will be a big help.
KNOW WHAT YOU ARE BUYING >>
Hydrated Lime (Calcium Hydroxide) is caustic when wet. .. Known as whitewash when painting or using in outhouses. NOT a good stall freshener.
AG LIME .. is used to reduce the acidic level of dirt and aid in plant growth and it will also loosen tight soils for better absorption. AG Lime (Calcium Carbonate) is much safer. It can be bought in bulk or bagged also as "pelletized lime", which isn't nearly as dusty. Use when stripping a stall or when digging out the pee spot where geldings urinate in the center of the stall .. fill back in with sand or shavings.
If you want to run a quick cheap test ... buy a very large box of baking soda and dump in and round your pee spots after stripping a stall. It will knock down the smell by neutralizing the acidic pee.
KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING ..
you want to neutralize the acid pee to a ph level above 7 -12
The pH scale measures how acidic or basic a substance is.
The pH scale ranges from 0 to 14.
A pH of 7 is neutral.
A pH less than 7 is acidic.
A pH greater than 7 is basic.
GOOD LUCK ....
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | The problem with ours is our barn is build ontop of clay. We put a good 3 feet of sand on top of that but the pee soaks through and when it gets to the clay there's no where for it to go so it continues to puddle up and stay wet. We strip them all the way down to the clay and take a little off the top of the clay about 3 times a year. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | The bedding pellets are what I use. |
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| The wood stove pellets are made of hardwood byproducts, and not pine. I would be afraid to use the hardwood pellets because they may contain walnut products which could cause a horse to founder. |
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| I use lime - cheap and works. I found it at a lumber yard here. |
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Location: Northern CA | Just Learning - 2014-12-15 2:41 PM The wood stove pellets are made of hardwood byproducts, and not pine. I would be afraid to use the hardwood pellets because they may contain walnut products which could cause a horse to founder.
I am unsure of your location, but here the wood stove pellets are made of fir, and sometimes a hint of cedar. Perfectly safe. You can look on the bags or the companies website to see what they contain. |
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| I tried the wood stove for my gelding who makes a "pee hole," they didn't break down and they were hard to walk on (for me as they rolled around underfoot). I'd like to try them again. Are there certain ones that work better than others? |
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| Has anyone ever had any problems with the horses eating the pellet bedding? I know we have a few horses that are little piggies so I'd be nervous about that |
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| Tatum2 - 2014-12-16 9:48 AM
Has anyone ever had any problems with the horses eating the pellet bedding? I know we have a few horses that are little piggies so I'd be nervous about that
I was just thinking about this! I feed safechoice feed and it looks an aweful lot like those bedding pellets! lol mine would munch down I am sure.. Even if they only had a mouthful they will expand and can cause major problems. My horses even nibble a tiny bit on shavings but not really. They have hay in front of them 24/7 and they still do it.. |
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Location: Arkansas | When we had a barnfull of mare's and foal's, we discovered pelleted bedding. And never looked back. Cost about $30 a stall. And misted them, just followed the dire tion's on the bag. So much easier that shavings. Just pick the wet stops and apples and toss and fluff. No more smell and no, they didn't try to eat it. LOL Probably because we misted them. Only added more pellet's as needed. Probably a bag every 2-3 week's. So much easier to used than shavings. And they would lay down in the fluff. LOL |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | FLITASTIC - 2014-12-16 9:55 AM Tatum2 - 2014-12-16 9:48 AM Has anyone ever had any problems with the horses eating the pellet bedding? I know we have a few horses that are little piggies so I'd be nervous about that I was just thinking about this! I feed safechoice feed and it looks an aweful lot like those bedding pellets! lol mine would munch down I am sure.. Even if they only had a mouthful they will expand and can cause major problems. My horses even nibble a tiny bit on shavings but not really. They have hay in front of them 24/7 and they still do it..
I've had some new horses taste them. After the first bite they don't try them again. |
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Location: Online | Just Learning - 2014-12-15 3:41 PM The wood stove pellets are made of hardwood byproducts, and not pine. I would be afraid to use the hardwood pellets because they may contain walnut products which could cause a horse to founder.
^^^This^^^ I was told to never use fuel pellets. I use the bedding pellets in my trailer, they are around $5-$6 a bag. They work way better than shavings and last a lot longer. My horses are all outside, I'm not rich enough for a barn. But I will put a bag of shavings in their sheds when it gets too wet. I don't know why kitty litter or floor dry wouldn't work though. Lime is usually easy to get at any hardware store. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | If you dont have cement or rubber mats dig a chinese drain at the wet spot about a foot around fill with rocks then sand then rocks, sand then the regular dirt that will help drain the stall. It will soak up under ground. Lime is good so is Diatomacious earth. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | The availability of lime and limestone depends on where you live. I'm from Missouri and everyone there, south of The River, lives on top of a gigantic limestone aquifer... We used to get our lime in dump-truck loads.. works great for killing the smell of urine. (and cheaper by the truck-load) |
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| Just a random thought.. I know humans that are pregnant are not suppose to be around cat litter due to causeing miscarriages and birth defects what about pregnant mares using it in their stalls??  |
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| Tatum2 - 2014-12-18 3:05 PM Just a random thought.. I know humans that are pregnant are not suppose to be around cat litter due to causeing miscarriages and birth defects what about pregnant mares using it in their stalls??
HUH??? This is a new one for me ... never heard that one ..... |
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| lindseylou2290 - 2014-12-18 3:13 PM
Tatum2 - 2014-12-18 3:05 PM Just a random thought.. I know humans that are pregnant are not suppose to be around cat litter due to causeing miscarriages and birth defects what about pregnant mares using it in their stalls??
I cannot remember where I read/heard/learned this... It's just been one of those huh? things that stick with you |
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| Tatum2 - 2014-12-18 3:19 PM
lindseylou2290 - 2014-12-18 3:13 PM
Tatum2 - 2014-12-18 3:05 PM Just a random thought.. I know humans that are pregnant are not suppose to be around cat litter due to causeing miscarriages and birth defects what about pregnant mares using it in their stalls??
I cannot remember where I read/heard/learned this... It's just been one of those huh? things that stick with you
The cat litter itself isn't what is a concern for pregnant women, it's the risk of being exposed to Toxoplasma via cat feces that is dangerous for pregnant women. That is why you shouldn't clean the litter box when you're pregnant!
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/toxoplasmosis/gen_info/pregnant.html |
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| k.maddocks24 - 2014-12-18 3:32 PM
Tatum2 - 2014-12-18 3:19 PM
lindseylou2290 - 2014-12-18 3:13 PM
Tatum2 - 2014-12-18 3:05 PM Just a random thought.. I know humans that are pregnant are not suppose to be around cat litter due to causeing miscarriages and birth defects what about pregnant mares using it in their stalls??
I cannot remember where I read/heard/learned this... It's just been one of those huh? things that stick with you
The cat litter itself isn't what is a concern for pregnant women, it's the risk of being exposed to Toxoplasma via cat feces that is dangerous for pregnant women. That is why you shouldn't clean the litter box when you're pregnant!
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/toxoplasmosis/gen_info/pregnant.html[/...
Ah got ya.. knew it was something to do with not cleaning the litter box! |
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Location: Bennett, CO | CAt litter or Oil Sorb works great... But when I lived it Oklahoma- I was able to purchase Limestone screenings by the truckload... it was cheap, and is basically catlitter.. I put it in all my stalls.. wonderful stuff!
On the Stove pellets- not all pellets are the same. We use Rocky Mtn Pellets in our Pellet stove- and in my stalls! It is Beetle Kill Pine from North Central Colorado.. 100% pine.. works great for both application! |
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Location: Here | gotothewhip - 2014-12-19 1:20 PM CAt litter or Oil Sorb works great... But when I lived it Oklahoma- I was able to purchase Limestone screenings by the truckload... it was cheap, and is basically catlitter.. I put it in all my stalls.. wonderful stuff!
On the Stove pellets- not all pellets are the same. We use Rocky Mtn Pellets in our Pellet stove- and in my stalls! It is Beetle Kill Pine from North Central Colorado.. 100% pine.. works great for both application!
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Location: North Dakota | TessBelle - 2014-12-15 9:56 AM The farrier told me to use powdered lime but I don't know where to get it so kitty litter was what I came up with. I look and the PDZ that I use has the same ingrediance that my cats litter has but the kitty litter smells good.
Saw some powdered lime at TSC yesterday and thought of you. |
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| I wouldn't use lime. My vet told me not to bc it can cause damage to horses lungs. The particle is small and they inhale it when they root around in shavings. Baking soda is a good odor killer and super cheap. I use the pdz. I know it expensive but it's worth it.
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