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Location: MN | This is in relation to a post from last week about a farrier I had that took shoes off my horses feet, trimmed his feet and sole too much, my horses feet ended up getting warm (not hot), his wife, the vet, came out and gave him IV DMSO,then he put shoes and pads on that were 2 sizes too small!! I then had to call a different farrier to come and put bigger shoes on my horse so he had something under his heel. The shoes are still too small, but this farrier can't put a bigger one on yet, they have to grow out. Now my horse is walking ok, seems to have energy but doesn't want to trot yet. It was a 2 weeks ago Friday that he initially trimmed him, and a week ago Saturday, that the initial small shoes were put on, and a week ago today that the bigger shoes were put on. Should I be worried about the coffin bones having turned from the heat? If I get xrays, why should I be responsible for this? They must have liability ins. don't they? |
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Location: MN | SKM - 2014-12-16 7:13 AM
Does the horse have a digital pulse? Heat isn't as much of a concern as a digital pulse.
I guess I didn't check that, there are pads on the front right now, but I can check his back feet. The heat went away right away. I know someone said move on find a different Farrier, but how do you do that if the horse is possibly lame because of it? I may be blowing it out of proportion right now, but I had the horse 2 weeks, spent a lot of money for him , a lot!! and now I can't even ride him? Kinda hard to move on.... |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | You check the digital pulse at the fetlock joint...the back of the "wrist"...so pads are not in the way. |
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Location: Kansas | SG. - 2014-12-16 7:11 AM Honestly, It would be nice if it truly is his fault, but in the real world. just find a new shoer and move on. Sucks, I know... Hugs. I am sorry your horse is going through this. I hope he feels better soon.
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SKM - 2014-12-16 7:13 AM
Does the horse have a digital pulse? Heat isn't as much of a concern as a digital pulse.
I guess I didn't check that, there are pads on the front right now, but I can check his back feet. The heat went away right away. I know someone said move on find a different Farrier, but how do you do that if the horse is possibly lame because of it? I may be blowing it out of proportion right now, but I had the horse 2 weeks, spent a lot of money for him , a lot!! and now I can't even ride him? Kinda hard to move on....
It doesn't matter if they have pads on. You feel the digital pulse by wrapping your hand around the pastern with your fingers at the back. If you feel a pulse that's bad. That means the horse is trying to founder. That's when you worry about rotation. Digital pulses are almost impossible to feel in healthy horses. |
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Location: Florida.. | I do not feel the farrier that you used could be held liable.. how do you know if horse had issues prior to you buying 2 weeks ago.. that would be their arguement. |
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Don't let anyone touch your horses feet that doesn't come heavily recommended by your area's top barrel racers. You want to find out who is being trusted to shoe those 75,000 dollar ponies.
When in doubt, find out what certifications and education he keeps himself going to. If they give you a blank stare, or puff up, or start listing all the reasons why they can shoe your horse blindfolded, calmly say, "Well, I believe in education, so unfortunately I've wasted your trip out. Here's $20 towards your fuel."
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Location: Online | Sounds like the track farrier that ruined the feet on one of my mares. He would put too small of shoes on her and when they took her off the track and turned her out he trimmed her too short. She severly bruised her coffin bones and they have some deterioration. Thanks to him, she is slightly rotated and has laminitis. In a nutshell, you're SOL as far as getting anything out of your farrier. Get your vet and a good farrier to try to turn your horse's feet back in the right direction. Depending on the amount of damage, it's going to take time. I'm going on 8 months just to get them grown out enough that they don't dish quite so bad and she hasn't been lame at all for 5 months. I probably have 6-8 more months of rehab to make them as right as they are going to be. Then the rest of her life to struggle to keep her sound. Good luck. |
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Location: Missouri | snoopy - 2014-12-16 7:32 AM SKM - 2014-12-16 7:13 AM Does the horse have a digital pulse? Heat isn't as much of a concern as a digital pulse. I guess I didn't check that, there are pads on the front right now, but I can check his back feet. The heat went away right away. I know someone said move on find a different Farrier, but how do you do that if the horse is possibly lame because of it? I may be blowing it out of proportion right now, but I had the horse 2 weeks, spent a lot of money for him , a lot!! and now I can't even ride him? Kinda hard to move on....
Been there, done that, and 6 months of corrective shoeing after (wedge pads until her heel grew out enough to where she wasn't crippled!)
It stinks, I'm sorry for you!
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Location: Texas | Find a new one and move on.. I've been through a similar situation and once you find a forever farrier you will forget all about this. I would be more concerned that his wife is a vet and lets him shoe her clients horses. Find a new vet and farrier. |
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Location: Texas | TrailGirl - 2014-12-16 7:45 AM
You check the digital pulse at the fetlock joint...the back of the "wrist"...so pads are not in the way.
actually the "wrist" of a horse is their carpus or what we call the "knees" on the front leg. The fetlock is like the first joint in your hand where your finger comes off your palm, the metacarpophalangeal joint.
A trained person can usually pick up a faint digital pulse. A bounding digital pulse can be anything from hoof abscess to founder. No bueno. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | casualdust07 - 2014-12-16 9:29 AM
TrailGirl - 2014-12-16 7:45 AM
You check the digital pulse at the fetlock joint...the back of the "wrist"...so pads are not in the way.
actually the "wrist" of a horse is their carpus or what we call the "knees" on the front leg. The fetlock is like the first joint in your hand where your finger comes off your palm, the metacarpophalangeal joint.
A trained person can usually pick up a faint digital pulse. A bounding digital pulse can be anything from hoof abscess to founder. No bueno.
Yes...I know that...I was helping the person understand as I can bet if you asked folks that have no idea how to take the digital pulse (seeing as she thought pads would prevent that)...they would see what I described as the "wrist"...true anatomy aside...it got the point across.
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Location: In a happy place | I agree with SG. and the rest. Nothing you can do. I sold a very nice gelding to my neighbors and had them bringing him back to get my farrier to shoe him. They found a cheaper farrier and used him once. After he put 2/3 size smaller shoes on him all he could do was lie down. I hope this doesn't happen to you but it took them a year before they could ride him again. And he was never really 100 per cent again.
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Location: Dubach, LA | You are. Sorry. Been there, done that to the tune of 2K. Three shoeing trips to the vet to meet farrier for pads and x-rays with two horses. Nowadays, I see red when one pulls out the knife.
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Location: MN | Thank you for the replies everyone! I can prove he wasn't lame before I bought him because there was an extensive vet check done on him before I bought him from a very reputable person on this sight. |
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Location: Here | classicpotatochip - 2014-12-16 8:13 AM You're out of luck. In my world, it means that, "I have fired yet another horse shoer." Don't let anyone touch your horses feet that doesn't come heavily recommended by your area's top barrel racers. You want to find out who is being trusted to shoe those 75,000 dollar ponies. When in doubt, find out what certifications and education he keeps himself going to. If they give you a blank stare, or puff up, or start listing all the reasons why they can shoe your horse blindfolded, calmly say, "Well, I believe in education, so unfortunately I've wasted your trip out. Here's $20 towards your fuel."
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | outrundaizy - 2014-12-16 9:17 AM Find a new one and move on.. I've been through a similar situation and once you find a forever farrier you will forget all about this. I would be more concerned that his wife is a vet and lets him shoe her clients horses. Find a new vet and farrier.
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| snoopy - 2014-12-16 10:03 AM
Thank you for the replies everyone! I can prove he wasn't lame before I bought him because there was an extensive vet check done on him before I bought him from a very reputable person on this sight.
You would have to spend thousands and take it to court.
From what you wrote on the initial post was
The HORSE WAS SOUND WITH SHOES ON so depending on the vet exam, I doubt they would have pulled the shoes. Your words alone give doubt. I know a lot of horses that are only sound with shoes on, once the shoes are pulled the horses are dead lame.
You also said you had the shoes pulled, the horse was TURNED OUT ONTO FROZEN GROUND. You later back tracked and said the horse wasn't out long, and ground was flat, not frozen manure (this still surprises me as that is an awesome barn if they are picking the turnout pen constantly)
Since time has elapsed no X-rays were done immediately, no one will know what the cause of the lameness, as if it was a bruise, the initial bruise would be gone now.
You would need to have a well respected professional be able to prove it was caused by poor farrier workmanship, this will also cost you money and be hard to find since time has elapsed.
Also if you do try to sue this farrier, you will have difficulty finding another even if you won, as it is public record, and no farrier wants to be thinking their client is going to sue if something happens.
Also farriers are humans, not robots and yes mistakes do happen.
Don't get me wrong what happened to your horse sucks and hopefully no permanent damage is done.
As I said before if this was mine, I would have X-rays done immediately and followed my vets recommendation. I would have contacted my regular vet give my findings answer his questions, then proceed to him (4hrs one way) or closest vet possible depending on the vet recommendation.
I know you had to work and if I remember correct the farrier who did the work was close with the vet or married to. To me this does raise a flag on the vet, as if the farrier did make a mistake, the vet if married to, may have not done a thorough job such as X-rays due to fear of what she would find, or your husband or you didn't ask for, or wanted the exam to be cheap.
I work too and have had to pay transporters to take my horse to the vet if I cannot take the day off work. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The thing that went through my mind as I read this thread was I think it would be tough to be a farrier, even a good one. Nothing at all with the OP....just what popped in my head. I think farriers can be awfully bad sometimes, but on the other hand, I think there is a tendency with some people to blame the farrier for almost everything that goes wrong with a horse.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2014-12-16 10:42 AM The thing that went through my mind as I read this thread was I think it would be tough to be a farrier, even a good one. Nothing at all with the OP....just what popped in my head. I think farriers can be awfully bad sometimes, but on the other hand, I think there is a tendency with some people to blame the farrier for almost everything that goes wrong with a horse. That said, I agree.....get a new farrier. LOL
Being married to (and a mother of) a farrier......THAT is the truth! ANYTHING that goes wrong, it ALWAYS the farrier's fault.......OR they expect the farrier to work miracles!
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | NJJ - 2014-12-16 11:24 AM Bear - 2014-12-16 10:42 AM The thing that went through my mind as I read this thread was I think it would be tough to be a farrier, even a good one. Nothing at all with the OP....just what popped in my head. I think farriers can be awfully bad sometimes, but on the other hand, I think there is a tendency with some people to blame the farrier for almost everything that goes wrong with a horse. That said, I agree.....get a new farrier. LOL Being married to (and a mother of) a farrier......THAT is the truth! ANYTHING that goes wrong, it ALWAYS the farrier's fault.......OR they expect the farrier to work miracles!
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | not only are you responsible for the care or possible xrays, to some extent you have to take responsibility for the entire situation. You pulled the shoes off a horse that was used to having them, and trimmed.
And i tell people to educate themselves on farrier work them watch their farriers shoe. When in doubt, ask questions. If you thought the shoe was too small, you could have talked to him about it.
My farrier is good, but we improved my 4 year old dramatically because of my suggestion on what to try. I ran my idea by him, he agreed, and it worked. Point is that more people should try working WITH their farriers.
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Location: MN | Bear - 2014-12-16 10:42 AM
The thing that went through my mind as I read this thread was I think it would be tough to be a farrier, even a good one. Nothing at all with the OP....just what popped in my head. I think farriers can be awfully bad sometimes, but on the other hand, I think there is a tendency with some people to blame the farrier for almost everything that goes wrong with a horse.
That said, I agree.....get a new farrier. LOL?
How do you expect me NOT to blame a farrier when this horse was not lame when he got here, and I didn't ask for a trim, I asked him to be cleaned up! You are making a huge generalization here when you say "some people" tend to blame their farrier. Your **** right I blame the farrier here, did this horse all of a sudden come up with warm feet for no reason? This horse is used to having his shoes off in the winter, I did all the research there was to do on him. And as for Cheryl, yes, I do board at such a good barn that the paddocks are picked that good!!! and he was never out there for hours at a time, people on here are the most judgmental people I have EVER come across in my life, If your not a regular on this board or part of a certain "clique" you jump all over someone instead of giving nonjudgmental advice, which is why the OP came here in the first place. No wonder there are not as many posts on this sight any more it's because of a whole bunch of people who like to hide behind the computer screen trying to knock someone down or ridicule them, instead of getting the advice they came here to get. I mean what kind of reply is "i agree..get a new farrier ...LOL?" Really?? yeah, I'll go with that, did any of you even read the entire post, where it states, I HAD A NEW FARRIER already come down and put larger shoes on? I'm NOT asking whether I should get a new farrier people!
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I was just answering that you would be responsible. For xrays.
I would seriously doubt that there is coffin bone rotation already in such a short time, but then I am no expert. Would it be possible to ask for photos of his feet? You can send them privately if you want
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | snoopy - 2014-12-16 4:04 PM Bear - 2014-12-16 10:42 AM The thing that went through my mind as I read this thread was I think it would be tough to be a farrier, even a good one. Nothing at all with the OP....just what popped in my head. I think farriers can be awfully bad sometimes, but on the other hand, I think there is a tendency with some people to blame the farrier for almost everything that goes wrong with a horse. That said, I agree.....get a new farrier. LOL? How do you expect me NOT to blame a farrier when this horse was not lame when he got here, and I didn't ask for a trim, I asked him to be cleaned up! You are making a huge generalization here when you say "some people" tend to blame their farrier. Your **** right I blame the farrier here, did this horse all of a sudden come up with warm feet for no reason? This horse is used to having his shoes off in the winter, I did all the research there was to do on him. And as for Cheryl, yes, I do board at such a good barn that the paddocks are picked that good!!! and he was never out there for hours at a time, people on here are the most judgmental people I have EVER come across in my life, If your not a regular on this board or part of a certain "clique" you jump all over someone instead of giving nonjudgmental advice, which is why the OP came here in the first place. No wonder there are not as many posts on this sight any more it's because of a whole bunch of people who like to hide behind the computer screen trying to knock someone down or ridicule them, instead of getting the advice they came here to get. I mean what kind of reply is "i agree..get a new farrier ...LOL?" Really?? yeah, I'll go with that, did any of you even read the entire post, where it states, I HAD A NEW FARRIER already come down and put larger shoes on? I'm NOT asking whether I should get a new farrier people!
Regarding the statement highlighted...as a farrier's wife, I don't know what the h*ll you are asking for IF NOT A TRIM.....After reading through all of your rants, I do agree that perhaps the farrier trimmed him too short and then tried to rectify by putting on shoes (which apparently didn't work). But just a head's up, it doesn't take much of frozen ground (and, excuse me, but there is NO perfectly flat level "frozen" ground) or even small pebbles to give a horse bruises if they are tender footed.
eta: after seeing that picture....it was a pretty bad job of trimming too.....
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snoopy - 2014-12-16 4:04 PM Bear - 2014-12-16 10:42 AM The thing that went through my mind as I read this thread was I think it would be tough to be a farrier, even a good one. Nothing at all with the OP....just what popped in my head. I think farriers can be awfully bad sometimes, but on the other hand, I think there is a tendency with some people to blame the farrier for almost everything that goes wrong with a horse. That said, I agree.....get a new farrier. LOL? How do you expect me NOT to blame a farrier when this horse was not lame when he got here, and I didn't ask for a trim, I asked him to be cleaned up! You are making a huge generalization here when you say "some people" tend to blame their farrier. Your **** right I blame the farrier here, did this horse all of a sudden come up with warm feet for no reason? This horse is used to having his shoes off in the winter, I did all the research there was to do on him. And as for Cheryl, yes, I do board at such a good barn that the paddocks are picked that good!!! and he was never out there for hours at a time, people on here are the most judgmental people I have EVER come across in my life, If your not a regular on this board or part of a certain "clique" you jump all over someone instead of giving nonjudgmental advice, which is why the OP came here in the first place. No wonder there are not as many posts on this sight any more it's because of a whole bunch of people who like to hide behind the computer screen trying to knock someone down or ridicule them, instead of getting the advice they came here to get. I mean what kind of reply is "i agree..get a new farrier ...LOL?" Really?? yeah, I'll go with that, did any of you even read the entire post, where it states, I HAD A NEW FARRIER already come down and put larger shoes on? I'm NOT asking whether I should get a new farrier people!
Regarding the statement highlighted...as a farrier's wife, I don't know what the h*ll you are asking for IF NOT A TRIM.....After reading through all of your rants, I do agree that perhaps the farrier trimmed him too short and then tried to rectify by putting on shoes (which apparently didn't work). But just a head's up, it doesn't take much of frozen ground (and, excuse me, but there is NO perfectly flat level "frozen" ground) or even small pebbles to give a horse bruises if they are tender footed.
eta: after seeing that picture....it was a pretty bad job of trimming too.....
What do you mean, what was I asking for? I was asking for his shoes to be pulled and his edges to be cleaned up! Not his sole to be dug out and a 15.2 hand horse, that wears a size 1 to end up wear tripe otts!! |
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But my heart hurts for you. Everyone that says, "oh just find a new farrier" or "just have to move on"-I read your previous post and know who you purchased the horse from. The lady is very reputable and you say the horse was costly-kinda hard just to move on. Easier said than done and I am certain anyone found in your position would be livid.
Yes the farrier could have made an innocent mistake-but like any "professional" business person, they should take some responsibility for all actions.
I don't have any advice, but I am thinking of you. I had this happen to me by a farrier when I moved south and we were so fortunate the horse recovered quickly. But the farrier trimmed way too much off. Yes, we should be educated but we try to trust farriers to a certain extent. It is always a risk, even when using a reputable farrier.
I know of a fantastic farrier in Minnesota/Wisconsin that I used for years by the way. PM me if you need information.
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| Blueridgedreaming - 2014-12-16 4:43 PM Snoopy, I didn't read all the replies. But my heart hurts for you. Everyone that says, "oh just find a new farrier" or "just have to move on"-I read your previous post and know who you purchased the horse from. The lady is very reputable and you say the horse was costly-kinda hard just to move on. Easier said than done and I am certain anyone found in your position would be livid. Yes the farrier could have made an innocent mistake-but like any "professional" business person, they should take some responsibility for all actions. I don't have any advice, but I am thinking of you. I had this happen to me by a farrier when I moved south and we were so fortunate the horse recovered quickly. But the farrier trimmed way too much off. Yes, we should be educated but we try to trust farriers to a certain extent. It is always a risk, even when using a reputable farrier. I know of a fantastic farrier in Minnesota/Wisconsin that I used for years by the way. PM me if you need information.
Because that's their job! If I can't trust my farrier to do his job and if I know more than the farrier well.....Houston, we have a problem! Everyone jumps on the OP like it's her fault because she should know how to properly trim, shoe, etc.... guess what! she's not a farrier, thats why she hired one. I have a very good farrier and I have made comments about what I thought would work and he was quick to correct me and explain why or why not it would be a good idea. The farrier trimmed the horse too short, he knew he horse had shoes on and he knew the ground was frozen, he-as the farrier- should have known and told her(if he thought she wanted him trimmed) that it wouldn't be a good idea!
To the OP: unfortunately its going to cost you more in legal fees to get him to pay than the x-rays will cost. if the horse ends up being completely crippled and unusable, then you would have a better chance of recooping your money for the horse and emotional distress, etc. |
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Location: MN | FlyingJT - 2014-12-16 5:05 PM
Blueridgedreaming - 2014-12-16 4:43 PM Snoopy, I didn't read all the replies. But my heart hurts for you. Everyone that says, "oh just find a new farrier" or "just have to move on"-I read your previous post and know who you purchased the horse from. The lady is very reputable and you say the horse was costly-kinda hard just to move on. Easier said than done and I am certain anyone found in your position would be livid. Yes the farrier could have made an innocent mistake-but like any "professional" business person, they should take some responsibility for all actions. I don't have any advice, but I am thinking of you. I had this happen to me by a farrier when I moved south and we were so fortunate the horse recovered quickly. But the farrier trimmed way too much off. Yes, we should be educated but we try to trust farriers to a certain extent. It is always a risk, even when using a reputable farrier. I know of a fantastic farrier in Minnesota/Wisconsin that I used for years by the way. PM me if you need information.
Because that's their job! If I can't trust my farrier to do his job and if I know more than the farrier well.....Houston, we have a problem! Everyone jumps on the OP like it's her fault because she should know how to properly trim, shoe, etc.... guess what! she's not a farrier, thats why she hired one. I have a very good farrier and I have made comments about what I thought would work and he was quick to correct me and explain why or why not it would be a good idea. The farrier trimmed the horse too short, he knew he horse had shoes on and he knew the ground was frozen, he-as the farrier- should have known and told her (if he thought she wanted him trimmed ) that it wouldn't be a good idea! To the OP: unfortunately its going to cost you more in legal fees to get him to pay than the x-rays will cost. if the horse ends up being completely crippled and unusable, then you would have a better chance of recooping your money for the horse and emotional distress, etc.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | FlyingJT - 2014-12-16 5:05 PM
To the OP: unfortunately its going to cost you more in legal fees to get him to pay than the x-rays will cost. if the horse ends up being completely crippled and unusable, then you would have a better chance of recooping your money for the horse and emotional distress, etc.
If anybody has read most of the responses.......THIS is why several have said find a new farrier and move on. It is likely, since the OP was vigilant and caught early enough that there "probably" will not be any permanent damage.....just time to recuperate. Still no reason for her to get p*ssy with the people who respond here.......By the way, if he wasn't your regular farrier, who recommended him? |
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As far as posting here or possibly anywhere else, there are lots of different personalities on here. Just have to be prepared for any response and try not to let anyone get to you. It is very difficult to put all the details of a situation here so that everyone can get the whole picture.
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That's ugly. It sucks to not be able to ride a horse you just bought, but it does look like it will be better with time. Lots of time. I'd shoot for legging him up in late spring and only have a good farrier work on him every 7-8 weeks in the meantime. |
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| snoopy - 2014-12-16 4:22 PM
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The horse looks like he also has underslung heels, I suggest asking the new farrier his opinion.
As for the record, I remember you saying the new farrier couldn't put new shoes on till the foot grew out, has this changed?
As for everything else I said, I do stand behind it. I have been cursed and blessed, I had farriers screw up horses, I have had vets clear a cannon bone xray as no fracture, the day after the next vet told me the next 3 days his leg could snap off.
Point is owning horses, you learn you can't trust any profession without doing your homework. In my area there are people charging 40/trim and all they have taken is a 2day course. They may be descent, but never touching my horse.
Take this as a learning opportunity, what will you do next time, how are you going to pick a farrier, but do your research, interview them, ask around look at other horses feet, ask them who they use.
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| snoopy - 2014-12-16 5:22 PM
1st time he was shod
This is just a bad job overall. Looks like what the old horse I used to run looked like when we got her at 3 years old. 6 years later, her heels still aren't grown out and she must have wedges on to stay sound, plus her tendons are messed up from being like that for a while so she has to have special care after every run and workout to prevent swelling and lameness.
Sorry to say but chalk it up to lesson learned and find a better farrier. I know it sucks, and I feel for you and your horse. |
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Location: ND | cheryl makofka - 2014-12-16 10:13 PM snoopy - 2014-12-16 4:22 PM 1st time he was shod The horse looks like he also has underslung heels, I suggest asking the new farrier his opinion. As for the record, I remember you saying the new farrier couldn't put new shoes on till the foot grew out, has this changed? As for everything else I said, I do stand behind it. I have been cursed and blessed, I had farriers screw up horses, I have had vets clear a cannon bone xray as no fracture, the day after the next vet told me the next 3 days his leg could snap off. Point is owning horses, you learn you can't trust any profession without doing your homework. In my area there are people charging 40/trim and all they have taken is a 2day course. They may be descent, but never touching my horse. Take this as a learning opportunity, what will you do next time, how are you going to pick a farrier, but do your research, interview them, ask around look at other horses feet, ask them who they use. Same with vet, trainer, etc
AGREED! And while I don't like anything about the shoe job or trim this farrier did the underrun heels where not caused by this farrier as they don't happen over night. |
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| I'm not trying to add salt to a wound but I know this weather isn't doing well for my guy either... the cold, the rain, the mud and now the snow. So hopefully in a way its a combination and he will recuperate fast. My guy has kinda crappy feet so take that into account but he's been ouchy too.
Legally, as many have said its gonna cost you more in legal fees and its really hard to get an "expert" witness to come in on claims that prove this trim job may have contributed to the lameness. Its kinda similar to medical malpractice. They don't usually like to take the stand and criticize other's work but that's my experience. Also be careful (not that its right) but word spreads fast and it can be hard to get people to work for you/with you if you have a reputation of throwing the book at them (again not that its not justified) but just another thing to keep in mind.
I don't know where you are in MN but I have a great farrier if you need recommendations if the new one doesn't work out. Prayers to you and the new horse... |
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Location: MN | this is after he was shod for the second time when the smaller shoes came off, although these are too small, there is nothing that can be done till they grow out more
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Location: NC | No advice but wanted to say sorry this happened and I hope your horse recuperates quickly.  |
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| snoopy - 2014-12-16 5:22 PM
1st time he was shod
WOW....I'd go get some knox gelatin and farriers formula and pray to jesus for those things to grow! And i wouldn't touch him until they did. Magic cushion him if he is dead lame and maybe pick him up some previcox.
Make sure your horse has a foot and a shoe to support it. I dunno why farrier wanna cut a horse down so much these days.
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Location: Wyoming | You're out of luck. I had a shoer trim my 3 year old at the wrong angle.. Granted she has weird feet, but I've been off of her for 9 months with corrective shoeing, plus got her foot injected to help with the inflammation and she's still off. Probably will never be sound, could have been prevented by correct trimming. Don't let just anyone touch your horses feet! |
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