astreakinchic - 2014-12-17 3:00 PM Well i've heard rumors and saw Mary had a breast collar on him with the name VIAGEN printed on it so I assumed he was. But to answer your question he would haft to be a colt/gelding not a filly.

3canstorun - 2014-12-17 2:07 PM Viagen also sent a "shout out" to her on their FB page.   

astreakinchic - 2014-12-17 12:00 PM Well i've heard rumors and saw Mary had a breast collar on him with the name VIAGEN printed on it so I assumed he was. But to answer your question he would haft to be a colt/gelding not a filly.

lindseylou2290 - 2014-12-17 1:15 PM Hmmmm so since it is a Wednesday and I'm bored outa my mind ... let's speculate .... Did they have to clone him to get a return on investment after spending a crap ton to "get him back"?  I mean ... ya clone him then you can forward those genetics into the market. 

Calibarrelrcr - 2014-12-17 2:19 PM


I noticed the breast collar as well. Thought that was interesting. I am pretty sure Danny Ray has a full sibling to Latte as well.  

UTAHCANCHASER - 2014-12-17 2:22 PM I know nothing about a clone but when Latte was being auctioned I belive 80% of the amount he sold for would have gone back to the Walkers and 10% to the other owners.  Since Justin Boots "paid" for him I am sure all that money went back to them when they "gave" Latter back to the Walkers. 

Lovin Life - 2014-12-17 2:26 PM I thought he did have one that was supposed to have foaled last spring.

Longneck - 2014-12-17 2:49 PM


 SENSATIONAL READYMIX 4101499 Gray Stallion 03/21/2001 Genetic Typed; Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
           Sire- BEHOLD A SENSATION 2840176

PERCULATIN 4514839 Bay Gelding 02/21/2004 Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
           Sire- DASH FOR PERKS 2549252
        Achievement: 2012 OPEN PRCA HORSE OF THE YEAR-BARREL RACING

PENELOPE DASH 4852489 Bay Mare 04/01/2006 Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
           Sire- DOWN HOME DASH 2711854
      Show: 05/2010 Open- H- .0 P- .5 Amateur- H- .0 P- .0 Youth- H- .0 P- .0

RL RARE AND LUCKY 5108813 Bay Gelding 05/23/2008 Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
           Sire- RARE BAR 2957125

PYRO BABE 5242575 Sorrel Mare 06/18/2009 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed; Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
           Sire- PYRON SIX 3305537
      Show: 09/2014 Open- H- .0 P- .0 Amateur- H- .0 P- .0 Youth- H- .0 P- .0

PILLYS CARTEL 5328119 Brown Mare 05/29/2010 Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
           Sire- CARTEL WILLIE 4240302           
        

Could it just not be registered yet??

Lovin Life - 2014-12-17 3:15 PM Come on!!! I'm sure they would be happy to fill you in!! I thought that they were going to campaign Another Shot... but I never really heard anything about him (I'm not in OK either I guess)

hoofs_in_motion - 2014-12-17 3:26 PM

I thought you couldn't register a clone? 

Lovin Life - 2014-12-17 3:30 PM We are talking about a full sibling not a clone.

hoofs_in_motion - 2014-12-17 4:26 PM I thought you couldn't register a clone? 

Longneck - 2014-12-17 3:26 PM


I'm not sure..... I'm only 1:30 from there and Another Shot could be in the warm up pen beside me (if he was being campaigned and running at local races) and I probably wouldn't even know it was him!!  I don't keep up with it, but I am curious as to what is going on with him!  I never missed seeing a run of HotShot if I could help it!

They need to open their weekly jackpots back up and I could do some digging!!

3canstorun - 2014-12-17 3:30 PM You cannot register one with the AQHA - at this point in time.  Still in the court system.   

hoofs_in_motion - 2014-12-17 3:30 PM


Oooo....I thought the thread was about a clone to latte lol 

Lovin Life - 2014-12-17 3:32 PM The thread is...but we got off talking about the full sibling that Danny Ray was said to have coming.

lhighquality - 2014-12-17 3:36 PM The Danny Ray you are talking about is he out of Dewey?

lhighquality - 2014-12-17 3:36 PM The Danny Ray you are talking about is he out of Dewey?

tulip - 2014-12-17 3:43 PM LMAO. This thread has bounced all over and gotten no ware. You'll made my day

Bear - 2014-12-17 4:01 PM Here I was thinking that the Viagen breast collar was a promotion by Mary because Viagen helped so much with Bubba's ED.

Nevertooold - 2014-12-17 4:20 PM

Here's a good question..

Does anyone know of a clone that has done anything besides breed some mares? 

Nevertooold - 2014-12-17 4:20 PM

Here's a good question..

Does anyone know of a clone that has done anything besides breed some mares? 

Lovin Life - 2014-12-17 7:12 PM His colts are. I think we are referring to the clones themselves.

IRunOnFaith - 2014-12-17 4:54 PM

I wanna ride a Unicorn......

Lovin Life - 2014-12-17 8:59 PM

Scamper To Dat Cash won some slot race or futurity $ last year, but other than that I haven't heard of anything. Jud Little sold his Clayton baby at his sale this year.

Scoot - 2014-12-17 9:56 PM I am friends with a girl on facebook that has a Clayton baby and he is absolutely incredible. Total athlete. His mom is phenomenal and he is following happily in their footsteps.

QH<3er - 2014-12-18 9:20 AM

So why is it that the clones aren't being competed on? Or aren't doing well?

lhighquality - 2014-12-18 9:28 AM I too am curious about why a clone isn't being competed on. It seems "everyone" wants to breed "to a proven" stallion, so why are clones any different? Why don't they have to prove themselves?

miss_n_cinch13 - 2014-12-18 11:24 AM

I do not agree that gentics makes a clone "proven". Heart, desire, grit etc. in the arena makes them proven in my book.

QH<3er - 2014-12-19 8:20 AM

So why is it that the clones aren't being competed on? Or aren't doing well?

TyE - 2014-12-18 2:56 PM So.....do we have any conclusive evidence that Latte has a clone on the ground? 

 

miss_n_cinch13 - 2014-12-18 11:24 AM I do not agree that gentics makes a clone "proven". Heart, desire, grit etc. in the arena makes them proven in my book.

barrelracr131 - 2014-12-18 2:15 PM


 I think you are misinterpreting what I wrote.

The horse's reproductive material is exactly the same as the original horse. Breeding to a clone yields the exact same sperm as that from the original horse. For example, take Frenchman's Guy- he has been cloned- and the semen from the original horse, if tested, would be indistguishable from that of the clone. Just as identical twins have the "same" DNA.

Because the original horse proved itself, and the clone gives the same DNA to create a foal, that's why it's genetics are considered proven, since the exact same genes created the orignal horse.

There is 100% zero incentive to prove a clone, because the owners have everything to lose and not one thing to gain. Environment shaped the horse that the original became. Trying to recreate that would be next to impossible.  

I can see why someone would want to clone a great gelding to see what it can produce. I'm not saying I would choose to breed to one.

Tatum2 - 2014-12-18 3:02 PM Going back to the original poster... I for one hope that they do clone Latte! I think this is just the beginning of cloning. We are going to be seeing alot more. Plus why not?! Getting sponsored to do this and you get a horse that has the same GENETIC make up as your world champion that you love to death and get another shot at having a second one of him.

OregonBR - 2014-12-18 5:56 PM

I'm having trouble getting that link live. Sorry.
 

komet. - 2014-12-18 2:57 PM I must be missing something here.... I always figured a stallion proved himself by passing his abilities on to offspring... How is he to do this if nobody will send him mares to breed??? Because he is not proven yet? I mean... Secretariat showed the world what he could do... But as a sire he sucked!!!

komet. - 2014-12-18 2:57 PM

I must be missing something here.... I always figured a stallion proved himself by passing his abilities on to offspring... How is he to do this if nobody will send him mares to breed??? Because he is not proven yet? I mean... Secretariat showed the world what he could do... But as a sire he sucked!!!

QH<3er - 2014-12-18 9:20 AM

So why is it that the clones aren't being competed on? Or aren't doing well?

OregonBR - 2014-12-18 5:55 PM Can one of you smart people explain how this affects clones vs the real thing.  



But the goals changed dramatically in 2005.   Research showed animal genomes were, at once, more simple and more complex than we thought.  First, there were only around 20,000 genes, not the 300,000 or 100,000 originally projected.  These genes only represented a 2% of the DNA on chromosomes.  This was astounding because we thought that once we knew the sequence of genes, we would be able to understand the secrets of heredity.  Instead, the key to understanding genes resides in the 98% of the genome that does not encode genes and which we had called “junk DNA”.  While genes are similar between species, the junk DNA is unique to each species.  So, to understand how genes work in horses, we needed horse “junk DNA” sequences.





https://www.uky.edu/Ag/Horsemap/abthgp.html

 

barrelracr131 - 2014-12-18 2:15 PM  I think you are misinterpreting what I wrote.



The horse's reproductive material is exactly the same as the original horse. Breeding to a clone yields the exact same sperm as that from the original horse. For example, take Frenchman's Guy- he has been cloned- and the semen from the original horse, if tested, would be indistguishable from that of the clone. Just as identical twins have the "same" DNA.



Because the original horse proved itself, and the clone gives the same DNA to create a foal, that's why it's genetics are considered proven, since the exact same genes created the orignal horse.



There is 100% zero incentive to prove a clone, because the owners have everything to lose and not one thing to gain. Environment shaped the horse that the original became. Trying to recreate that would be next to impossible.  



I can see why someone would want to clone a great gelding to see what it can produce. I'm not saying I would choose to breed to one.

barrelracr131 - 2014-12-19 5:19 AM The human genome is similar to the horse genome in this aspect. It's kind of complex, but I will try to simplify it a little bit.



Our DNA basically is a code for proteins to be made in the body. These proteins are then processed by the body to make all of the chemicals we need to function, such as hormones, creating cells, healing, you name it.



In the genome, only a small part is actually known to code these proteins, which are referred to as "genes". The rest of the DNA in the genome, or all the DNA we have, consists of repeating nonsense sequences. Originally, these were thought to be meaningless (only the "genes" were studied). Now, these "junk" sequences are thought to have a role in gene function and gene regulation/gene expression (ie controlling when genes are expressed, or basically telling the body to turn on the genes to create proteins or stay silent).  



So basically, when the project was started, they thought more of the genome were genes (probably due to length), but upon further study, they found a small amount are true genes, and now they are looking to further study the "junk" portions to determine how they affect phenotype by determining how the "junk" portions affect the "gene" portions. Clear as mud?

miss_n_cinch13 - 2014-12-19 9:25 AM


*****In the case of Frenchman's Guy, yes I will agree his genetics are proven and have been for years now. But in the case of Hot Shot and Scamper, you can not yet say their genetics are proven (IMO). How many siblings of these two horses have excelled in the arena to prove their gentics and that they were not just once in a life time horses?******