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| I am wanting to wean my gelding off of beet pulp. He had ulcers and i have been giving him beet pulp. I did the 30 days of Omeprazole. Now just need to maintain him. I give him beet pulp, low startch high fat pellets, aloe vera juice, flax, rice bran, etc.
I just received some Forco i ordered and was thinking of T.H.E. Muscle Mass. Now im hoping to get rid of the beet pulp. Also, does anyone think i will still need the rice bran and flax?
Any advice would be appreciated. i just want to "simple" it down!  |
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| trulyaroyaljem - 2014-12-17 2:07 PM I am wanting to wean my gelding off of beet pulp. He had ulcers and i have been giving him beet pulp. I did the 30 days of Omeprazole. Now just need to maintain him. I give him beet pulp, low startch high fat pellets, aloe vera juice, flax, rice bran, etc. I just received some Forco i ordered and was thinking of T.H.E. Muscle Mass. Now im hoping to get rid of the beet pulp. Also, does anyone think i will still need the rice bran and flax? Any advice would be appreciated. i just want to "simple" it down!
Well, the point of feeding rice bran and flax are the extra lipids (fats) that are easily digested and will put on a nice coat along with fat back on the horse quickly, correct? And, the point of beet pulp is along the lines of easily digestible, low starch high fiber (among other things), right?
May I ask what you were trying to accomplish by feeding rice bran and a low starch/high fat pellet along with beet pulp and flax? I get the aloe vera juice but not really the rest ... If you do choose to feed the FORCO and MM ... look at the ingredients and what they are supposed to accomplish. Does your horse need these along with everything else you've listed? You're already doubling up two products that essentially do the same thing and added a 3rd to add a shiny coat. (I'm talking the pellets, rice bran, and flax here)
I'd suggest meeting with a nutritionist to balance the needs of your horse and help prevent the ulcers he's already dealing with ..... Maybe PM winwillows on here ... |
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| I will try Pm'ing her. Thanks. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | Unless you need something to feed the supplements in I don't think you need all of that . You can add an Ulcer Prevent to your Muslce Mass, and Muscle Mass already has flax and electrolytes in it. Combine that with Forco and I think you have a good combo.  Krystal Peterson can get you good prices.  |
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Location: Here | Quick question, Why would you want to stop the beet pulp? I love beet pulp |
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| Ive been reading conflicting things about beet pulp. So not sure if its good or bad. |
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| This is one of the articles i just read:
Beet Pulp Warning
Here is some important information on an old mainstay...beet pulp!
Years ago I fed beet pulp and have continued to recommended it as an alternative or addition to grain as something to top dress BioEquine. Just in the last few weeks, I have made the acquaintance of a very informed animal therapist/nutritionist named Ross Buchanan from lower mainland BC. Ross has been recommending BioEquine to many of his clients there. He deals with a lot of toxins in horses from that region and has just emailed me some disturbing information on beet pulp that I like to pass on to you.
"Doing some interesting research on sugar beets right now. The bottom line is do not feed beet pulp to your horses. Three good reasons. The first is Glyphosate from Round Up Ready Sugar Beets that drastically reduces the uptake of minerals and which kills bacteria in the hindgut. The second is that sugar beets are sponges for arsenic which is a problem in the Taber area where the refinery is. The third is Disodium Cyanodithioimidocarbonate (DCDIC), the chemical that is used to strip the sugar from the beets, which is a toxin and banned from use as a pesticide…but we feed it to our horses in beet pulp." |
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| trulyaroyaljem - 2014-12-17 2:44 PM Ive been reading conflicting things about beet pulp. So not sure if its good or bad.
It is a great product when balanced correctly in a feed ration. |
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| trulyaroyaljem - 2014-12-17 2:52 PM This is one of the articles i just read: Beet Pulp Warning Here is some important information on an old mainstay...beet pulp! Years ago I fed beet pulp and have continued to recommended it as an alternative or addition to grain as something to top dress BioEquine. Just in the last few weeks, I have made the acquaintance of a very informed animal therapist/nutritionist named Ross Buchanan from lower mainland BC. Ross has been recommending BioEquine to many of his clients there. He deals with a lot of toxins in horses from that region and has just emailed me some disturbing information on beet pulp that I like to pass on to you. "Doing some interesting research on sugar beets right now. The bottom line is do not feed beet pulp to your horses. Three good reasons. The first is Glyphosate from Round Up Ready Sugar Beets that drastically reduces the uptake of minerals and which kills bacteria in the hindgut. The second is that sugar beets are sponges for arsenic which is a problem in the Taber area where the refinery is. The third is Disodium Cyanodithioimidocarbonate (DCDIC), the chemical that is used to strip the sugar from the beets, which is a toxin and banned from use as a pesticide…but we feed it to our horses in beet pulp."
If this was true ...... sugar from those said beets would also be "contaiminated with toxins" and not be on the market for human consumption.
What's the source of this? Got a link? |
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| It was just linked in an email to me. :(
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| lindseylou2290 - 2014-12-17 2:26 PM
trulyaroyaljem - 2014-12-17 2:07 PM I am wanting to wean my gelding off of beet pulp. He had ulcers and i have been giving him beet pulp. I did the 30 days of Omeprazole. Now just need to maintain him. I give him beet pulp, low startch high fat pellets, aloe vera juice, flax, rice bran, etc. I just received some Forco i ordered and was thinking of T.H.E. Muscle Mass. Now im hoping to get rid of the beet pulp. Also, does anyone think i will still need the rice bran and flax? Any advice would be appreciated. i just want to "simple" it down!
May I ask what you were trying to accomplish by feeding rice bran and a low starch/high fat pellet along with beet pulp and flax? I get the aloe vera juice but not really the rest ... If you do choose to feed the FORCO and MM ... look at the ingredients and what they are supposed to accomplish. Does your horse need these along with everything else you've listed? You're already doubling up two products that essentially do the same thing and added a 3rd to add a shiny coat. (I'm talking the pellets, rice bran, and flax here)
I'd suggest meeting with a nutritionist to balance the needs of your horse and help prevent the ulcers he's already dealing with ..... Maybe PM winwillows on here ...
How do i PM winwillows? i just tried.....dont think it went through. |
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| trulyaroyaljem - 2014-12-17 2:58 PM
lindseylou2290 - 2014-12-17 2:26 PM
trulyaroyaljem - 2014-12-17 2:07 PM I am wanting to wean my gelding off of beet pulp. He had ulcers and i have been giving him beet pulp. I did the 30 days of Omeprazole. Now just need to maintain him. I give him beet pulp, low startch high fat pellets, aloe vera juice, flax, rice bran, etc. I just received some Forco i ordered and was thinking of T.H.E. Muscle Mass. Now im hoping to get rid of the beet pulp. Also, does anyone think i will still need the rice bran and flax? Any advice would be appreciated. i just want to "simple" it down!
May I ask what you were trying to accomplish by feeding rice bran and a low starch/high fat pellet along with beet pulp and flax? I get the aloe vera juice but not really the rest ... If you do choose to feed the FORCO and MM ... look at the ingredients and what they are supposed to accomplish. Does your horse need these along with everything else you've listed? You're already doubling up two products that essentially do the same thing and added a 3rd to add a shiny coat. (I'm talking the pellets, rice bran, and flax here)
I'd suggest meeting with a nutritionist to balance the needs of your horse and help prevent the ulcers he's already dealing with ..... Maybe PM winwillows on here ...
How do i PM winwillows? i just tried.....dont think it went through.
Why don't you just get on FeedXL.com? It is an amazing website, has all the nutritional values of almost any type and brand of feed, supplements, etc, you could think of and you plug our horses information, medical background in and what your feeding now and it will tell you what is lacking or excessive nutrition wise. A lot better than guessing! |
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Location: Here | trulyaroyaljem - 2014-12-17 2:52 PM This is one of the articles i just read: Beet Pulp Warning Here is some important information on an old mainstay...beet pulp! Years ago I fed beet pulp and have continued to recommended it as an alternative or addition to grain as something to top dress BioEquine. Just in the last few weeks, I have made the acquaintance of a very informed animal therapist/nutritionist named Ross Buchanan from lower mainland BC. Ross has been recommending BioEquine to many of his clients there. He deals with a lot of toxins in horses from that region and has just emailed me some disturbing information on beet pulp that I like to pass on to you. "Doing some interesting research on sugar beets right now. The bottom line is do not feed beet pulp to your horses. Three good reasons. The first is Glyphosate from Round Up Ready Sugar Beets that drastically reduces the uptake of minerals and which kills bacteria in the hindgut. The second is that sugar beets are sponges for arsenic which is a problem in the Taber area where the refinery is. The third is Disodium Cyanodithioimidocarbonate (DCDIC), the chemical that is used to strip the sugar from the beets, which is a toxin and banned from use as a pesticide…but we feed it to our horses in beet pulp."
Don't believe all the anti Monsanto stuff you read. It is a very safe feed for your horses |
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| trulyaroyaljem - 2014-12-17 2:57 PM It was just linked in an email to me. :(
Fair enough. However, I would be skeptical of taking advice from an email in which I can't verify the source of the information. I'm sure whoever sent it to you had good intentions. I encourage ya to check things out, dig into the issue more, and lookup peer reviewed journal articles that discuss the use of feed products in horses. GoogleScholar is a great place to start and it is all FREE! You can be real general or super specific in your search.
The more you can educate yourself and not just take someone's opinion or email at face value the better off you'll be in many aspects.
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Location: Too Far North | So, I feed a lot of beet pulp and was mildly concerned by the article you mentioned so I researched all 3 areas of concern via.......THE INTERNET, which is ALWAYS RIGHT.
I found no cause for concern over the chemical used in sugar processing due to it being a "banned Pesticide" in the past it was banned until further "something" was checked or modified (I am not a scientist). It is now Okay for use and any products which were previously banned which contained this chemical can now be re approved for use.
The Monsanta roundup ready issue was skewed. This article stated that it absorbs uptake of minerals, which is true of the Plants that are sprayed with this, (that's how they die) The plants themselves that have been sprayed with it ARE susceptible to have a lower IRON content, which may be a concern.
The part about sugar beets being a sponge for arsenic and the facility in Canada where they are processed being a high arsenic area? I can find nothing, absolutely nothing. NOthing.
Again, this I only "internet, google, research" nothing scientific. I would be more concerned about the pesticides causing birth defects. |
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Location: Here | trainmaster - 2014-12-17 4:06 PM So, I feed a lot of beet pulp and was mildly concerned by the article you mentioned so I researched all 3 areas of concern via.......THE INTERNET, which is ALWAYS RIGHT. I found no cause for concern over the chemical used in sugar processing due to it being a "banned Pesticide" in the past it was banned until further "something" was checked or modified (I am not a scientist). It is now Okay for use and any products which were previously banned which contained this chemical can now be re approved for use. The Monsanta roundup ready issue was skewed. This article stated that it absorbs uptake of minerals, which is true of the Plants that are sprayed with this, (that's how they die) The plants themselves that have been sprayed with it ARE susceptible to have a lower IRON content, which may be a concern. The part about sugar beets being a sponge for arsenic and the facility in Canada where they are processed being a high arsenic area? I can find nothing, absolutely nothing. NOthing. Again, this I only "internet, google, research" nothing scientific. I would be more concerned about the pesticides causing birth defects.
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Location: Kansas | trainmaster - 2014-12-17 4:06 PM So, I feed a lot of beet pulp and was mildly concerned by the article you mentioned so I researched all 3 areas of concern via.......THE INTERNET, which is ALWAYS RIGHT. I found no cause for concern over the chemical used in sugar processing due to it being a "banned Pesticide" in the past it was banned until further "something" was checked or modified (I am not a scientist). It is now Okay for use and any products which were previously banned which contained this chemical can now be re approved for use. The Monsanta roundup ready issue was skewed. This article stated that it absorbs uptake of minerals, which is true of the Plants that are sprayed with this, (that's how they die) The plants themselves that have been sprayed with it ARE susceptible to have a lower IRON content, which may be a concern. The part about sugar beets being a sponge for arsenic and the facility in Canada where they are processed being a high arsenic area? I can find nothing, absolutely nothing. NOthing. Again, this I only "internet, google, research" nothing scientific. I would be more concerned about the pesticides causing birth defects.
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Location: Florida.. | Just because one person says it you should NOT believe it . its one of the safest best thing out there for our horses .. just make sure you add water.. I would not stop feeding that and I dont think you need all of the supplements.. to much is overkill.. |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | SG. - 2014-12-17 1:40 PM Quick question, Why would you want to stop the beet pulp? I love beet pulp
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| If beet pulp was bad, I should have dead or super sick horses. I've fed it for years. Every horse, even weanlings gets 4-5 cups soaked beet pulp with EACH feeding (twice a day) and it has been GREAT to keep mine from getting sand colic.
It's the one feed ingredient I won't go without.
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Location: Here | luvinrunnin - 2014-12-17 6:17 PM If beet pulp was bad, I should have dead or super sick horses. I've fed it for years. Every horse, even weanlings gets 4-5 cups soaked beet pulp with EACH feeding (twice a day) and it has been GREAT to keep mine from getting sand colic.
It's the one feed ingredient I won't go without.
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| If you have already treated for ulcers my suggestion is to stop the beet pulp it is not helping any thing on the ulcer front. Start feeding the Forco. Forco is a digestive fortifier which helps the horse break down its food better and get all the nutrience out of it. It also balances the acid levels in the stomach and hind gut to help reduce the risk of colic, impaction and Ulcers. Don't over kill on supplements. Forco is a great product and I use it on all my horses and have no issues with colic, impaction or ulcers. I am a dealer for Forco and sell a lot of it to several trainers and they love it. One trainer just ran the 6th fastest time in the futurity at the BFA last week out of over 400 head with a horse on Forco. Anyone Interesed in prices on Forco feel free to contact me. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Meyerfarm - 2014-12-17 8:47 PM If you have already treated for ulcers my suggestion is to stop the beet pulp it is not helping any thing on the ulcer front. Start feeding the Forco. Forco is a digestive fortifier which helps the horse break down its food better and get all the nutrience out of it. It also balances the acid levels in the stomach and hind gut to help reduce the risk of colic, impaction and Ulcers. Don't over kill on supplements. Forco is a great product and I use it on all my horses and have no issues with colic, impaction or ulcers. I am a dealer for Forco and sell a lot of it to several trainers and they love it. One trainer just ran the 6th fastest time in the futurity at the BFA last week out of over 400 head with a horse on Forco. Anyone Interesed in prices on Forco feel free to contact me.
Why stop the beet pulp? I feed Forco already but it isn't going to add moisture to the gut when my tanks have been frozen from 8pm to 6pm. I give them a super mushy mush mix of beet & alfalfa pellets soaked and top it with their grain, THE and FORCO. I have yet to have a cold weather colic since doing this every morning. I think beet pulp is one of the best things out there and have done wonders on many horses with it. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | My ulcer-prone horse has actually been BETTER since I switched her to a beet pulp/alfalfa pellet mix...she was on "processed" feeds most of her life (Strategy Healthy Edge, then later Ultium) and I had to keep treating her over and over and she never wanted to finish her grain even though she wasn't getting fed very much. I finally took her off all of that and now she gets beet pulp, alfalfa pellets, Horse Guard multivitamin, and SmartGut Ultra. I treated her for ulcers one last time in July with UlcerCure OTC and haven't had an issue since...she cleans up all her feed and has maintained weight even when being ran. |
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