astreakinchic - 2014-12-28 10:29 AM Well we just went no commercial feeds and couldn't be happier. Oats, alfalfa pellets, dical, vit E, selenium, and clovite with cocosoy oil to make everything stick together. Comes out to $16 a bag and we are saving money because they are keeping weight on less fed and have more energy after just two weeks! Their coat and body condition has also improved. Before we were feeding nutrena safe choice and a ton of supplements....not anymore!

SG. - 2014-12-28 7:08 PM


Why would you add supplements to safe choice?  Also are you in a selenium deficient area?  I know of another that was feeding a feed and it had selenium in it and they were not in a selenium deficient area and it caused big problems in several horses.  Not Picking at you just curious 

Bibliafarm - 2014-12-29 3:43 PM

SO renew gold for horses that are performing .. but only have reg hay .. is that going to maintain them? I have a hard time with that and how much should they be getting Lbs? 

Bibliafarm - 2014-12-29 3:43 PM

SO renew gold for horses that are performing .. but only have reg hay .. is that going to maintain them? I have a hard time with that and how much should they be getting Lbs? 

Bibliafarm - 2014-12-29 7:39 PM

 actually I am one to feed less then more. I feed 5 lbs of triple crown broke into 2 feedings so I understand that logic. I must have missed the part where you said they might require other things as well in the feed program ..roanie didn't you just start on rg? Or am I thinking someone else .testimony's on it are good I just see some say rg plus supplements and wandered lbs they feed and how long they have been in program to see result and if its with other grains etc .

winwillows - 2014-12-30 12:39 AM

There are times when additional concentrates can benefit. I would say less than 10% of the horses have other issues going on that might keep them from being efficient. In general, the vast majority of RG users are not feeding additional concentrates. when other low starch feeds are used, it is with a greatly reduced rate. In most cases, just adding RG to five pounds of feed misses a lot of the benefit. This is one reason I try to be so available on the phone. Not many feed company presidents are actually horsemen. Nor will they give you their cell phone number. Mine is 530-518-8254.
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winwillows - 2014-12-29 4:16 PM Many feed companies have gone to least cost formulation. They change the ingredients every time that they buy bulk components. That allows them to hit their protein, fat, fiber, and ash guarantees with the least expensive combination of components. These products will have a tag sewn onto the bag that list the ingredients because it is easy to print a different tag when the ingredient list changes from lot to lot. This means that you are potentially changing your horses diet every time you open a new bag, even though the bag itself is the same as the last time you purchased that product. Horses thrive on consistency. There are some companies that still use a fixed formula every time that they manufacture. You can tell a fixed formulation feed that is made exactly the same every time by looking for the ingredient list being actually printed on the bag with no added tag. I feel that this is one reason that many commercial feeds do not maintain consistent condition on some horses.

winwillows - 2014-12-29 7:19 PM


I know is seems hard to imagine performance horses working to their potential with just one pound to one and one half pounds of Renew Gold when you have been feeding so much more concentrate for years. Remember, horses evolved to function at their maximum efficiency with little or no mature grain in their diets. There was no place in nature where a horse could stop at the grain pile and eat pounds of high starch grain at a single meal. They were designed to make the energy that they need by efficient digestion of vegetable fats found in a every roughage to some degree, and to digest that roughage effectively in the hind gut. If we can get them back to that, little else is required. You will not hear this from most supplement and feed companies because it negatively effects their bottom line. I am not saying nothing else is ever required. There are some times and some horses that need more. If that is the case, those horse will now need much less additional concentrate than was used before if we can get the system to function as it evolved to. Several simple guidelines can really help, even in horses that only have access to poor roughage. First, make sure the horses teeth are in proper condition so that it can chew comfortably. Next, do not feed more that 1.5 to 2 pounds of concentrate at any feeding. This includes Renew Gold, or any combination with other feeds. Third, break your feeding into as many times per day as makes sense in your schedule. Two times is better than one. Three times is better than two. always have both salt ( I use Redmond) and clean water available. Lastly, try to have a roughage source available for as much of the time as possible. You will be amazed at how your horse will thrive on this diet.

winwillows - 2014-12-29 8:19 PM I know is seems hard to imagine performance horses working to their potential with just one pound to one and one half pounds of Renew Gold when you have been feeding so much more concentrate for years. Remember, horses evolved to function at their maximum efficiency with little or no mature grain in their diets. There was no place in nature where a horse could stop at the grain pile and eat pounds of high starch grain at a single meal. They were designed to make the energy that they need by efficient digestion of vegetable fats found in a every roughage to some degree, and to digest that roughage effectively in the hind gut. If we can get them back to that, little else is required. You will not hear this from most supplement and feed companies because it negatively effects their bottom line. I am not saying nothing else is ever required. There are some times and some horses that need more. If that is the case, those horse will now need much less additional concentrate than was used before if we can get the system to function as it evolved to. Several simple guidelines can really help, even in horses that only have access to poor roughage. First, make sure the horses teeth are in proper condition so that it can chew comfortably. Next, do not feed more that 1.5 to 2 pounds of concentrate at any feeding. This includes Renew Gold, or any combination with other feeds. Third, break your feeding into as many times per day as makes sense in your schedule. Two times is better than one. Three times is better than two. always have both salt ( I use Redmond) and clean water available. Lastly, try to have a roughage source available for as much of the time as possible. You will be amazed at how your horse will thrive on this diet.