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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Anyone feeding this please see article below. 3 horses in SC have died recently and with the help of Michigan State the owners traced the cause of death to this feed.
http://www.heraldonline.com/2014/12/31/6662665/3-horses-dead-lab-fi...
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Where did you get the information that it was ADM pellets. I read the whole article and it never mentioned the feed company. I also find it strange that it only affected 3 horses if they were feeding the same feed to all?
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Location: Florida.. | I didnt see feed company either.. and also didnt see a positive test for that? |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | A good friend posted this article on Facebook this morning. The owner, Ms Kennedy, commented on the post less than an hour ago stating their attorney had given them permission to release the name of the feed. I snapped a picture of her response and will try to post. I feel 100% certain this is true.
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Location: Florida.. | ok .. just seems to odd that just this month this is happening.. thanks |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | NJJ - 2015-01-01 11:18 AM Where did you get the information that it was ADM pellets. I read the whole article and it never mentioned the feed company. I also find it strange that it only affected 3 horses if they were feeding the same feed to all?
I wanted to share this information ASAP as it was just released this morning and obiviously left out some necessary information. I posted my source. I wondered about the number of horses also. It is possible not all of the horses there are grained. Hoping the one currently in critical condition makes it. |
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| Do you guys have lot numbers on your bags of feed?
Here in Canada when we buy feed it is documented which lot number we get incase of recalls.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cruise - 2015-01-01 10:57 AM NJJ - 2015-01-01 11:18 AM Where did you get the information that it was ADM pellets. I read the whole article and it never mentioned the feed company. I also find it strange that it only affected 3 horses if they were feeding the same feed to all? I wanted to share this information ASAP as it was just released this morning and obiviously left out some necessary information. I posted my source. I wondered about the number of horses also. It is possible not all of the horses there are grained. Hoping the one currently in critical condition makes it.
It is quite possible that some horses were getting different kinds of feed, etc..... |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I feed that feed. I also know that our 12% is made locally in Cordele GA. I actually had to wait to get me feed this Wednesday because I switched my main guys to the 12%. While babies get 14%. Which is also made in Cordele. I know there are different plants for different areas.
That said, I hate someone had an animal die and that it may have been a food source. No matter what the source. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | 3canstorun - 2015-01-01 1:25 PM
I feed that feed. I also know that our 12% is made locally in Cordele GA. I actually had to wait to get me feed this Wednesday because I switched my main guys to the 12%. While babies get 14%. Which is also made in Cordele. I know there are different plants for different areas.
That said, I hate someone had an animal die and that it may have been a food source. No matter what the source.
This farm is in Beaufort County, SC. Not sure if where you are in GA would be served by the same plant or not. What was found in the feed was something that is in cattle feed that is poisonous to horses. This was reported by Michigan State where they sent the feed to be checked. They had already dealt with all other food and water sources. Her attorney gave her permission to release the name. I feel for the company that produced the feed. Mostly I feel for the owners of the horses. Sounds like the Kennedy's have been in a living hell for the past few weeks and with one horse still critical it's along way from being over for them. |
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Location: Texas | Which feed were they feeding? There are different feeds that ADM produces. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | BettyBarrelRacer - 2015-01-01 3:25 PM Which feed were they feeding? There are different feeds that ADM produces.
The person who owns the farm where the horses were said it was ADM Alliance 12% pellets. That's all I know. I am not at all familiar with ADM feed. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Isn't this what happened in FL with a different feed company? I'll bet this whole thing ends up a one supplier's door. |
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| I sell adm have been feeding for years no problems my horse look great on adm 12/10 and they love it and my horses look awesome I sell 20 plus tons of horse feed a month and have great success with it |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Lewis you sell out of the Cordele plant. And the one horse in the picture, the sorrel you could tell was old. However, it should be of concern to ADM if this is true. And, it should also be of concern to any and all feed facilities as this is happening way too much. No one has said ADM is. Bad feed. Most if us love it. The concern is cross contamination of products. |
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| I work at a feed mill and most mills mix both horse and cattle feeds. THAT particular batch of feed was probably mixed behind some cattle feed and the mixer was not cleaned well enough |
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Location: Georgia | This can happen with ANY horse feed that is mixed at a facility that does not use separate mixers for horse feed. I had 3 horses to colic and 1 die from Bartlett feed years ago. I had several horses who were not affected. The whole bag of feed is not necessarily tainted, therefore all don't get sick. Does anyone know how to find which horse feed company has strict quality control and does not mix cow feed in the same bins? |
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Location: Oklahoma | maybe it affects different horses in different ways. I say this because I know several people feed their horses creep pellets. my understanding that is feed for cattle. |
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Location: Georgia | Not all cattle feed contains monensin. It is an added medication. |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | just great. this is what I feed, along with MoorGlo. About a year ago I got a moldy bag of MoorGlo. I took it back and my feed mill was very sorry and said the entire batch they got was bad, that everyone brought their bags back. That is not my feed mill's fault, that is ADMs fault. It's time for me to get more feed and now I'm scared to buy more. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | There is a remote possibility this can happen in any mill that is processing both cattle and horse feed thru the same equipment. All it takes is one sloppy clean up job between runs and contaminates/additives that are toxic horses can get into a batch of equine feed. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | barlracr429 - 2015-01-01 7:58 PM just great. this is what I feed, along with MoorGlo. About a year ago I got a moldy bag of MoorGlo. I took it back and my feed mill was very sorry and said the entire batch they got was bad, that everyone brought their bags back. That is not my feed mill's fault, that is ADMs fault. It's time for me to get more feed and now I'm scared to buy more.
Most companies have different mills all around the country. The Triple Crown my sister gets doesn't look anything like the Triple Crown I use to get. She lives in Illinois and I live in Texas. Different mills.
Call ADM and ask what mill your feed would come from. This happened in South Carolina.
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Location: Florida | Is anyone else concerned with the practice of feeding cattle something that is that posionous to horses? This is the beef we eat. With all the antibiotics and steriods our food sourses are eating, what is that doing to us?
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Location: Somewhere else | My friend lost 5 horses due to feed that had risein (?) in it. It was milled at Bartlett Mills and sold by cleveland feeds in our area. People from NC State came and took samples from all the bags & found that all the bags was contained this stuff. No cure for it. It was a terrible thing to watch her have to go through the lose of all her horses. I just wonder how many more died because of these feed. |
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Location: Oklahoma | southernbarrelhorses - 2015-01-01 6:57 PM This can happen with ANY horse feed that is mixed at a facility that does not use separate mixers for horse feed. I had 3 horses to colic and 1 die from Bartlett feed years ago. I had several horses who were not affected. The whole bag of feed is not necessarily tainted, therefore all don't get sick. Does anyone know how to find which horse feed company has strict quality control and does not mix cow feed in the same bins?
You would have to call the specific feed mill where your feed is manufactured in order to know if they are an ionophore free facility. Ionophores such as monensin (trade name Rumensin®) are commonly used in some cattle feeds but are deadly to horses. Here is a link to an article ( http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/is-your-horses-feed-safe-to-consume/ ) from Bluebonnet® explaining ionophores and the fact that their mill is an ionophore FREE facility (not just an ionophore "safe" facility).
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Vickie - 2015-01-02 3:24 AM Is anyone else concerned with the practice of feeding cattle something that is that posionous to horses? This is the beef we eat. With all the antibiotics and steriods our food sourses are eating, what is that doing to us?
I wonder if it doesn't go 50/50. We are lucky and eat what we raise. All hormone and drug free. Most of our local ranchers do the same, but there are a couple that put the hormone things in the steer ears. I personally think it is stupid because we watch theirs sell and our own and they are every bit equal in price. IMO it is an added cost on their part and I hate the thought of my kids eating that crap in a school lunch/restaurant. We've gotten really picky on our groceries after having kids. I guess they mean more to us than we do to ourselves lol. We try and buy all natural USA raised chicken and pork and I read every single label to make sure it is a product, grown and packaged in the USA. Some is more expensive, but on canned fruit alone it is better quality.
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Location: In a happy place | While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n. |
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Location: Oklahoma | sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 12:58 PM While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n.
Non-protein nitrogen (urea) and monensin are two of the most common things that would be in cattle feed but not good for horses. |
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| Vickie - 2015-01-02 4:24 AM
Is anyone else concerned with the practice of feeding cattle something that is that posionous to horses? This is the beef we eat. With all the antibiotics and steriods our food sourses are eating, what is that doing to us?
Since cattle are ruminants---that would be cud chewing animals that have more than one stomach---they can eat and tolerate different foods etc from what horses can. Also, different antibiotics and other medicines are used on cattle that horses do not tolerate.
I have fed creep feed to my horses for a long time with no problem. I realize that ingredients can accidently be mixed into feed but most of the time feed companies generally expect the buyer to be educated about what they are buying. I feed range cubes as treats now but always buy all natural ones. |
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Location: In a happy place | EquineNutritionist - 2015-01-02 4:45 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 12:58 PM While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n.
Non-protein nitrogen (urea) and monensin are two of the most common things that would be in cattle feed but not good for horses.
Thank you so much. I blame this on chemo brain but I could not think of what it was. Hopefully I can remember this now. |
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sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 12:58 PM While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n.
Non-protein nitrogen (urea) and monensin are two of the most common things that would be in cattle feed but not good for horses.
Thank you so much. I blame this on chemo brain but I could not think of what it was. Hopefully I can remember this now.
I feed range cubes to my horses for treats---their favorite---and have for years. Yes some do contain urea but I buy all natural cubes and always make sure that the feed store knows that is what I want. I buy feed in the same place and have for years. They know that I do not have cows. I also know people that feed range cubes to their horses as feed. Don't know why but they do. |
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Location: Florida.. | someone spoke to a rep and it was ALLIANCE not PATRIOT is where they found it in also someone called and the barn was feeding 2 other brands so .. i dunno |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | I copied this from Facebook. I hope that is ok. I did not include the posters name, but hope it clarifies and answers some questions. I will say that according to the first news article it clearly states the feed was sent to Michigan State to be checked. It was the ADM that contained the cattle additive. The fact that they own horses and board horses is probably one reason different feeds are fed to the horses there. This would explain why only certain horses were affected. Below is the Facebook post
I just spoke to my sales person on this issue. ADM did have someone go to the barn in question. They did take samples of the feed. It was not the Patriot feed products. It was the regular 12% product. That used to be called roundup. The barn also feeds three other name brands of feed. Purina, Seminole and I forgot the other one. Feed from Cordele GA does ship to that area. They were helpful to me and I feel satisfied that the feed I have patriot 12/10 is fine |
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Location: Georgia | Since this type of cross contamination has occurred with different brands in the past, you should contact your feed company ( whatever feed you use) and ask if the mill that supplies your store uses Monensin at their facility. If they use it, tell them you are changing feed companies! To watch your horses die because of something you fed them is truly heart breaking! This is the reply I received after posting this question on Nutrena Horse Feed Facebook page concerning my feed (Safe Choice):
" horse feed at all the TSC stores in your area (Hartwell, GA) comes out of our Montgomery Alabama feed mill. If you happen to purchase at an independent retailer from time to time, stores in GA get their feed from Montgomery as well, while stores in SC get theirs from our Wilson NC feed mill. In both cases, neither facility uses Rumensin (aka monensin) at all, which is what we are guessing you are concerned with given the recent case in Florida. If you need anything else, please let us know!" |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Southernarrelhorses, thank you so much about the information on Safe Choice. That is what we feed, and we buy from a TSC in SC. Also great advice about contacting your feed company. |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | Bibliafarm - 2015-01-02 9:24 PM
someone spoke to a rep and it was ALLIANCE not PATRIOT is where they found it in also someone called and the barn was feeding 2 other brands so .. i dunno
I have been feeding ADM products for over 8 years. I have never heard of them selling a feed called "Alliance". The name of the company is ADM Alliance Nutrition. I'm even searching their website now and can't find any "Alliance' feed. All I can find is the Patriot, GroStrong and other vit/min feeds and all the 'Glo' feeds. I'm posting this more of a question/educational since I've never heard of ADM 'Alliance" feed. |
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Location: Florida.. | barlracr429 - 2015-01-04 12:09 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-01-02 9:24 PM someone spoke to a rep and it was ALLIANCE not PATRIOT is where they found it in also someone called and the barn was feeding 2 other brands so .. i dunno I have been feeding ADM products for over 8 years. I have never heard of them selling a feed called "Alliance". The name of the company is ADM Alliance Nutrition. I'm even searching their website now and can't find any "Alliance' feed. All I can find is the Patriot, GroStrong and other vit/min feeds and all the 'Glo' feeds. I'm posting this more of a question/educational since I've never heard of ADM 'Alliance" feed.
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Location: NC | This happened in SC/NC with Bartlett feed. It was Rumensin that killed a few horses. It was late October/early November when that happened. A girl lost several horses to the poisoning. |
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I feed the Total Equine extruded diet to my crew. (Love this feed for how well my senior horse is doing on it) I contacted the company to inquire about their facility and the possibility of Monesin or other ionophore contamination. They responded immediately:
"Kimberly,
Yes, Total Equine is manufactured only in plants that are certified free of any ionophore or other chemical additive that could possibly be toxic to an equine or canine.
Thank you for asking.
Harry Anderson"
So that was good news for me. I used to feed Triple Crown feeds...but the quality control was just lacking. Some bags were very dry...others so oily it was ridiculous. No way the formulation was as listed on the bag from batch to batch. The Total Equine extruded feed is more easily digested...and my older guy looks great.
My friend Kellie boards at the stable in NC mentioned in this thread. It has been a scarey and heartbreaking time there since this all began. So far Penny (her mare) seems to be fine. They don't believe she got any of the contaminated feed. |
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| Vickie - 2015-01-02 4:24 AM
Is anyone else concerned with the practice of feeding cattle something that is that posionous to horses? This is the beef we eat. With all the antibiotics and steriods our food sourses are eating, what is that doing to us?
Ionophores like monensin are poisonous to horses due to the way their digestive tract is set up versus a cow's. Cattle have a four compartment stomach. One of the compartments is the rumen, which contains bacteria that ferment the feed to provide the cow with energy. All that ionophores do is change the way that the bacteria ferment the feed to improve its utilization. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | TrailGirl - 2015-01-05 8:34 AM
I feed the Total Equine extruded diet to my crew. (Love this feed for how well my senior horse is doing on it) I contacted the company to inquire about their facility and the possibility of Monesin or other ionophore contamination. They responded immediately:
"Kimberly,
Yes, Total Equine is manufactured only in plants that are certified free of any ionophore or other chemical additive that could possibly be toxic to an equine or canine.
Thank you for asking.
Harry Anderson"
So that was good news for me. I used to feed Triple Crown feeds...but the quality control was just lacking. Some bags were very dry...others so oily it was ridiculous. No way the formulation was as listed on the bag from batch to batch. The Total Equine extruded feed is more easily digested...and my older guy looks great.
My friend Kellie boards at the stable in NC mentioned in this thread. It has been a scarey and heartbreaking time there since this all began. So far Penny (her mare) seems to be fine. They don't believe she got any of the contaminated feed.
I would love to know specifically where his facilities are located. I don't know of many fully functioning mills that don't use ionophores. |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | streakysox - 2015-01-02 6:30 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 6:18 PM
EquineNutritionist - 2015-01-02 4:45 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 12:58 PM While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n.
Non-protein nitrogen (urea) and monensin are two of the most common things that would be in cattle feed but not good for horses.
Thank you so much. I blame this on chemo brain but I could not think of what it was. Hopefully I can remember this now.
I feed range cubes to my horses for treats---their favorite---and have for years. Yes some do contain urea but I buy all natural cubes and always make sure that the feed store knows that is what I want. I buy feed in the same place and have for years. They know that I do not have cows. I also know people that feed range cubes to their horses as feed. Don't know why but they do.
I feed alfalfa cubes as horse treats ...
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | TurnLane - 2015-01-06 1:12 PM
TrailGirl - 2015-01-05 8:34 AM
I feed the Total Equine extruded diet to my crew. (Love this feed for how well my senior horse is doing on it) I contacted the company to inquire about their facility and the possibility of Monesin or other ionophore contamination. They responded immediately:
"Kimberly,
Yes, Total Equine is manufactured only in plants that are certified free of any ionophore or other chemical additive that could possibly be toxic to an equine or canine.
Thank you for asking.
Harry Anderson"
So that was good news for me. I used to feed Triple Crown feeds...but the quality control was just lacking. Some bags were very dry...others so oily it was ridiculous. No way the formulation was as listed on the bag from batch to batch. The Total Equine extruded feed is more easily digested...and my older guy looks great.
My friend Kellie boards at the stable in NC mentioned in this thread. It has been a scarey and heartbreaking time there since this all began. So far Penny (her mare) seems to be fine. They don't believe she got any of the contaminated feed.
I would love to know specifically where his facilities are located. I don't know of many fully functioning mills that don't use ionophores.
I will ask!
Though I suspect this feed is actually produced in a mill that makes only extruded feeds for horses and dogs. Therefore no need to even have those compounds at all.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | TrailGirl - 2015-01-06 2:23 PM TurnLane - 2015-01-06 1:12 PM TrailGirl - 2015-01-05 8:34 AM I feed the Total Equine extruded diet to my crew. (Love this feed for how well my senior horse is doing on it) I contacted the company to inquire about their facility and the possibility of Monesin or other ionophore contamination. They responded immediately: "Kimberly, Yes, Total Equine is manufactured only in plants that are certified free of any ionophore or other chemical additive that could possibly be toxic to an equine or canine. Thank you for asking. Harry Anderson" So that was good news for me. I used to feed Triple Crown feeds...but the quality control was just lacking. Some bags were very dry...others so oily it was ridiculous. No way the formulation was as listed on the bag from batch to batch. The Total Equine extruded feed is more easily digested...and my older guy looks great. My friend Kellie boards at the stable in NC mentioned in this thread. It has been a scarey and heartbreaking time there since this all began. So far Penny (her mare) seems to be fine. They don't believe she got any of the contaminated feed. I would love to know specifically where his facilities are located. I don't know of many fully functioning mills that don't use ionophores. I will ask! Though I suspect this feed is actually produced in a mill that makes only extruded feeds for horses and dogs. Therefore no need to even have those compounds at all. I'll let you know what I learn.
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| RunningOnPaints - 2015-01-06 2:22 PM
streakysox - 2015-01-02 6:30 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 6:18 PM
EquineNutritionist - 2015-01-02 4:45 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 12:58 PM While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n.
Non-protein nitrogen (urea) and monensin are two of the most common things that would be in cattle feed but not good for horses.
Thank you so much. I blame this on chemo brain but I could not think of what it was. Hopefully I can remember this now.
I feed range cubes to my horses for treats---their favorite---and have for years. Yes some do contain urea but I buy all natural cubes and always make sure that the feed store knows that is what I want. I buy feed in the same place and have for years. They know that I do not have cows. I also know people that feed range cubes to their horses as feed. Don't know why but they do.
I feed alfalfa cubes as horse treats ...
this kinda has me worried..
I would think you should be safe with the alfalfa cubes. The range cubes people are referring to are a different type of cube that's usually fed to cattle, and may or may not contain monensin or other ionophores. |
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Location: MN | Please don't believe everything you read on the internet. This is an official statement from ADM's Equine website:
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ADM Alliance Nutrition is aware of the recent comments on social media and some news outlets concerning ADM Alliance 12% horse feed and its alleged link to deaths of horses. We take this matter very seriously and are working with authorities to investigate these horses' deaths. We're not aware that authorities have made any determination as to what caused the deaths, and based on our investigation to date, we have not found any evidence that our horse feed caused or contributed to these deaths. The single sample of our horse feed tested for our customer at Michigan State University was negative for ionophores (monensin) at the detection limits for the test. We have sent additional samples for testing and will share information as soon as it's available. If you have questions about your ADM feed, please contact us at AN.EquineHelp@adm.com.
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| I’m Jason Hartley and I am responsible for Quality Assurance at ADM Alliance Nutrition. We take this matter very seriously and are working with authorities to investigate these horses’ deaths. We’re not aware that authorities have made any determination as to what caused the deaths, and based on our investigation to date, we have not found any evidence that our horse feed caused or contributed to these deaths. The single sample of our horse feed tested for our customer at Michigan State University was negative for ionophores (monensin) at the detection limits for the test. We have sent additional samples for testing and will share information as soon as it’s available. If you have questions about your ADM feed, please contact us at AN.EquineHelp@adm.com. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Alliance equine-help - 2015-01-08 8:53 AM I’m Jason Hartley and I am responsible for Quality Assurance at ADM Alliance Nutrition. We take this matter very seriously and are working with authorities to investigate these horses’ deaths. We’re not aware that authorities have made any determination as to what caused the deaths, and based on our investigation to date, we have not found any evidence that our horse feed caused or contributed to these deaths. The single sample of our horse feed tested for our customer at Michigan State University was negative for ionophores (monensin) at the detection limits for the test. We have sent additional samples for testing and will share information as soon as it’s available. If you have questions about your ADM feed, please contact us at AN.EquineHelp@adm.com.
I called my distributor in Torrington and he was very helpful. I only feed the GLO product line. Sounds like my feed comes from a different plant. Just a thought, because people are such crooks. The horses could have gotten into anything and owners are looking for a lawsuit. Just a different angle to take here. Or maybe someone had a beef with the owners of these horses. Who knows, but with only a few getting sick. Were the sick horses the only horses on ADM? Or were there more? |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Not one ADM product was ever recalled...even out of courtesy. Not one owner was given an explanation for the Monensin that was found in their feed or the damage that was done to their horses.
Why do horse owners continue to support a company that has no more regard for the animals they are feeding than this? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-05 3:54 PM Not one ADM product was ever recalled...even out of courtesy. Not one owner was given an explanation for the Monensin that was found in their feed or the damage that was done to their horses.
Why do horse owners continue to support a company that has no more regard for the animals they are feeding than this?
Because no one wants to believe it could happen to their horse. It's easier to close your eyes and sing lalala than change your program. ADM's continued denial in the face of lab results is unforgivable. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | The sad thing is, most people have already been affected in some way and have no idea that's what it is. Maybe not ionophores, but another substance that wasn't supposed to be there, or a substitute ingredient to meet guaranteed analysis, but not necessarily ideal for equine nutrition. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | And people still feed it.. and believe ADM.. I know the owners of the eventers and one of the stallions was from Valhalla.. it did affect them..... but not one recall or remove of product or a Apology.. |
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Location: Deep South | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-05 4:24 PM
The sad thing is, most people have already been affected in some way and have no idea that's what it is. Maybe not ionophores, but another substance that wasn't supposed to be there, or a substitute ingredient to meet guaranteed analysis, but not necessarily ideal for equine nutrition.
Well I for one appreciate you bringing so much attention to this subject, putting so many hours of research into it, and not quitting until you know the facts. I have changed my program because of the information I have received from this forum and have been spreading the word to anyone who will listen. |
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Location: Florida.. | BamaCanChaser - 2015-10-05 5:31 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-05 4:24 PM The sad thing is, most people have already been affected in some way and have no idea that's what it is. Maybe not ionophores, but another substance that wasn't supposed to be there, or a substitute ingredient to meet guaranteed analysis, but not necessarily ideal for equine nutrition. Well I for one appreciate you bringing so much attention to this subject, putting so many hours of research into it, and not quitting until you know the facts. I have changed my program because of the information I have received from this forum and have been spreading the word to anyone who will listen.
Agree.. Thank you Rachel |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2015-10-05 4:31 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-10-05 4:24 PM
The sad thing is, most people have already been affected in some way and have no idea that's what it is. Maybe not ionophores, but another substance that wasn't supposed to be there, or a substitute ingredient to meet guaranteed analysis, but not necessarily ideal for equine nutrition.
Well I for one appreciate you bringing so much attention to this subject, putting so many hours of research into it, and not quitting until you know the facts. I have changed my program because of the information I have received from this forum and have been spreading the word to anyone who will listen.
I, too, appreciate all your hard work and willingness to inform us. I was just fixin' to change my feeding program to ADM when you brought this to our attention. I don't even feed their minerals anymore and told my feed store why I wouldn't. They didn't listen to me or even try to verify what I told them. :(. I don't go there anymore. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I tell everyone and I give them copies of my report from the lab showing the poison. I tell people at shows that have drawings for it what type of product it is. They just think I am a BA. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | 3canstorun - 2015-10-05 5:38 PM I tell everyone and I give them copies of my report from the lab showing the poison. I tell people at shows that have drawings for it what type of product it is. They just think I am a BA.
What is a BA? |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | if horse people would just ban together and stop buying from unsafe companies they would have to change practices or go out of buisness at least as far as horse feed goes. I realize it might be hard to find a suitable feed and only have purina as an option, but what about banning one brand at a time. just boycott one and it will have to change its ways i think adm would be a great start. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | kwanatha - 2015-10-05 7:37 PM if horse people would just ban together and stop buying from unsafe companies they would have to change practices or go out of buisness at least as far as horse feed goes. I realize it might be hard to find a suitable feed and only have purina as an option, but what about banning one brand at a time. just boycott one and it will have to change its ways i think adm would be a great start.
That might work for some of them. I've gotten the impression that ADM is so large and diversified that they don't really care that much about the horse feed division and they left their dealers out to dry on this deal. |
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Location: The South | BamaCanChaser - 2015-10-05 4:31 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-05 4:24 PM The sad thing is, most people have already been affected in some way and have no idea that's what it is. Maybe not ionophores, but another substance that wasn't supposed to be there, or a substitute ingredient to meet guaranteed analysis, but not necessarily ideal for equine nutrition. Well I for one appreciate you bringing so much attention to this subject, putting so many hours of research into it, and not quitting until you know the facts. I have changed my program because of the information I have received from this forum and have been spreading the word to anyone who will listen.
Ditto! Thank you to everyone that helped inform us all about this. I no longer buy ADM products and I changed the whole oats I feed. I probably wouldn't know what an ionophore was today if it wasn't for BHW. Thank you thank you! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-05 6:51 PM kwanatha - 2015-10-05 7:37 PM if horse people would just ban together and stop buying from unsafe companies they would have to change practices or go out of buisness at least as far as horse feed goes. I realize it might be hard to find a suitable feed and only have purina as an option, but what about banning one brand at a time. just boycott one and it will have to change its ways i think adm would be a great start. That might work for some of them. I've gotten the impression that ADM is so large and diversified that they don't really care that much about the horse feed division and they left their dealers out to dry on this deal.
I get that too from them. I stopped using their feed. I am back to just soaking alfalfa and beet pellets for some and Purina Active Senior to the others. Weanlings are going to get Ultium Growth. |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-10-05 6:05 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-05 6:51 PM kwanatha - 2015-10-05 7:37 PM if horse people would just ban together and stop buying from unsafe companies they would have to change practices or go out of buisness at least as far as horse feed goes. I realize it might be hard to find a suitable feed and only have purina as an option, but what about banning one brand at a time. just boycott one and it will have to change its ways i think adm would be a great start. That might work for some of them. I've gotten the impression that ADM is so large and diversified that they don't really care that much about the horse feed division and they left their dealers out to dry on this deal.
that is what I am feeding my weanlings. I am just irritated that we are left with so few choices. If it doesn't make a difference to adm then that is just more of a reason to not buy from them |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | kwanatha - 2015-10-05 7:26 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-10-05 6:05 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-05 6:51 PM kwanatha - 2015-10-05 7:37 PM if horse people would just ban together and stop buying from unsafe companies they would have to change practices or go out of buisness at least as far as horse feed goes. I realize it might be hard to find a suitable feed and only have purina as an option, but what about banning one brand at a time. just boycott one and it will have to change its ways i think adm would be a great start. That might work for some of them. I've gotten the impression that ADM is so large and diversified that they don't really care that much about the horse feed division and they left their dealers out to dry on this deal.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Nevertooold - 2015-10-05 6:56 PM 3canstorun - 2015-10-05 5:38 PM I tell everyone and I give them copies of my report from the lab showing the poison. I tell people at shows that have drawings for it what type of product it is. They just think I am a BA. What is a BA?
Bad ass? |
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Location: CTX | Wow, how is it that there are still people that feed this stuff. With all the media outlets we have it is not exactly a secret this has been happening!!
I know I learned a lot on this forum, and am very grateful for that!! I just hope more people will do what we have done and change their grain regimen.
So sorry to hear more horses have died. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2015-10-05 7:56 PM 3canstorun - 2015-10-05 5:38 PM I tell everyone and I give them copies of my report from the lab showing the poison. I tell people at shows that have drawings for it what type of product it is. They just think I am a BA. What is a BA?
Witch spelled with a B.
I still see people who have numerous horses with "ulcers, unexplained colics, etc", feeding the same feed I fed and getting it from the same mill in GA who won't listen. I guess at this point, I can say they, the horse owners, are bringing this on themselves and hurting their horses intentionally. Why, I don't know. For attention? STOP FEEDING PATRIOT FEED FROM THE CORDELE GA FEED MILL!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | NJJ - 2015-10-06 8:36 AM Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
The farms that I know of in our area all came from the same feed mill, Cordele GA.. These farms are mine in GA, another farm in Eufaula AL, (which is approximately 64 miles from me) and another one in FL, 80 miles. I do not know about the SC farm. I do know that the AL, and FL farm, we all had the same lot number of feed.
BUT, the problem with ADM feed is that they insist that up to a certain level of monensin is safe for horses, which is NOT true. No level is safe. Rachel knows the level. And, it has been mentioned on here. I just don't have the time to look it up. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | 3canstorun - 2015-10-06 8:08 AM
NJJ - 2015-10-06 8:36 AM Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
The farms that I know of in our area all came from the same feed mill, Cordele GA.. These farms are mine in GA, another farm in Eufaula AL, (which is approximately 64 miles from me) and another one in FL, 80 miles. I do not know about the SC farm. I do know that the AL, and FL farm, we all had the same lot number of feed.
BUT, the problem with ADM feed is that they insist that up to a certain level of monensin is safe for horses, which is NOT true. No level is safe. Rachel knows the level. And, it has been mentioned on here. I just don't have the time to look it up.
Which one in Florida? Is this a sweet feed or a pellet?
Does ADM still make the grostrong mineral? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | They do still make Gro-strong. There is also a medicated version of it, so I quit that too. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | RnRJack - 2015-10-06 9:17 AM 3canstorun - 2015-10-06 8:08 AM NJJ - 2015-10-06 8:36 AM Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
The farms that I know of in our area all came from the same feed mill, Cordele GA.. These farms are mine in GA, another farm in Eufaula AL, (which is approximately 64 miles from me) and another one in FL, 80 miles. I do not know about the SC farm. I do know that the AL, and FL farm, we all had the same lot number of feed.
BUT, the problem with ADM feed is that they insist that up to a certain level of monensin is safe for horses, which is NOT true. No level is safe. Rachel knows the level. And, it has been mentioned on here. I just don't have the time to look it up. Which one in Florida? Is this a sweet feed or a pellet? Does ADM still make the grostrong mineral?
It was a farm in FL who fed the posioned feed.
What people are not getting is that ADM is using old reports and is saying that levels of monension is fine. IT IS NOT SAFE FOR HORSES AT ANY LEVEL.
Ask your vet, call FSU, Call GA, Call Auburn. Read on the internet.
If you trust ADM and the fact that monension is fine for your horse, then you deserve the outcome and loss.
Unfortunately, your horse does not and I think you are a bad horse owner.
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Jr. Detective
Location: Beggs, OK | Their sources are outdated...and their press release made no sense. If it takes as much of this poison to make a horse sick as they are saying that it does, then why even mention it? If a horse ate that much of anything they would die no matter what it was.
http://www.admani.com/horse/Horse%20PDFs/Monensin%20and%20Horses%20The%20Facts%20Final.pdf |
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Location: Oklahoma | It really blows my mind that people continue to feed their horses feed manufactured in unsafe mills. I wouldn't feed my daughter anything if I had the knowledge that it could potentially harm her... |
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Location: Deep South | NJJ - 2015-10-06 7:36 AM
Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
A client of mine had switched her horse to ADM feeds, 8 weeks later he "coliced" and died.
She did not have him or feed tested, but I don't think it was a coincidence. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | NJJ - 2015-10-06 7:36 AM Just a few clarification questions.....
Have there been any other deaths from this ADM feed other than the three mentioned in the article?
Was this issue "just" from this one feed mill of ADM or were other mills involved?
How many people do you know that even consider their feed as being the source of a horses illness, lameness, or death? We are conditioned to think that concentrates are necessary and trust that they are safe to feed our horses.
This type of toxicity is extremely hard to recognize and nearly impossible to prove without a feed test, necropsy, and lots of documentation. Even the people that I have had contact me because of sick horses just switched feed and didn't test theirs, much less report it! This is the single most underreported issue in the horse industry today because it's expensive to have the feed tested and most people don't even know to look....Vets don't even think of it at first.
Can you imagine how many fewer colics we would have if people didn't feed concentrated feeds at all? |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Are their minerals bad too? I know a lot of people including myself who have fed the grostrong mineral, I have never had any colic but a local feed mill adds that mineral to their special blend feed with no fillers? |
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Location: Oklahoma | RnRJack - 2015-10-06 12:20 PM
Are their minerals bad too? I know a lot of people including myself who have fed the grostrong mineral, I have never had any colic but a local feed mill adds that mineral to their special blend feed with no fillers?
I personally wouldn't use any product of theirs. I use Adeptus Nutrition's Augment minerals. My horses love the taste and I have had the pleasure of meeting the founder/creator and getting one on one training from her about her products. |
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