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Location: Kansas | I ended 2014 and am starting 2015 at a four-day rodeo series and at the midway point, Chance is working well but has been just a little off the pace. We were 16th out of 78 on Wednesday night and he didn't ever feel like he really got loose and stretched out. The bitter cold weather probably didn't help that but everyone was dealing with it. Last night, we were a hair faster but still 16th out of 88.
The first day a 14.500 won it, and a 14.9 something got the last hole (8th). Yesterday a 14.729 won it and a 14.934 was 8th.
I left Clifford at home and don't really want to make a 4 1/2 hour round trip today or tomorrow to go get him. So, any ideas where we are losing our time? I know it's going to nitpicky little stuff but I've got access to some dirt and barrels so if we need a tuneup, it can happen this afternoon.
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | What is the title of your video...work computers wont let me use the link! |
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Location: Kansas | QH<3er - 2015-01-02 9:56 AM
What is the title of your video...work computers wont let me use the link!
Chance at Kansas City, Stampede Day 1
and Chance at Kansas City, Stampede Day 2 |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I'm no expert by any means, it doesn't look likes he running! He steps off his third which causes him to not run straight home..not a whole lot I can see other than that... he can always tighten up that first, but could be how he runs... Nice looking horse though, and 16th out of 88 isn't to bad!! |
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| On the first run, he stalled on the backside of the second, that is all I can see in addition to what the other said, (tighten up first, and third, and not firing).
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Location: west of East Texas | Generally when mine turns the 3rd like that, it is because I let her rate too soon and she drops going in then has to overcompensate to keep from hitting. He does look like he is doing plenty of rating on his own this weekend so maybe there is a tenth there you could make up by pushing him just a little further into that 3rd and all the way around on the 2nd. |
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Location: Kansas | He is one of those horses who never looks like he's running. Which makes it hard to tell in a video when he is or isn't running. I realize 16th out of 78 & 88 is nothing to sneeze at but only the top 8 get paid.
I'm heading out in a minute to do some slow work and hopefully that will help clean up the tiny stuff that's costing us, plus he has been laying down half the afternoon so he should be well-rested. |
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Location: Kansas | sodapop - 2015-01-02 11:08 AM Do you have video of the winning run? That's always a good way to compare too.
I don't. I didn't see either of the winning runs. Wednesday's was in slack and I didn't get to KC until late afternoon, and last night's was the runner before me in the perf. Being right before me is good luck this week......they have been 3rd & 1st so far LOL. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | They pay 8 holes with 88 entered? |
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Location: North Dakota | cheryl makofka - 2015-01-02 10:43 AM On the first run, he stalled on the backside of the second, that is all I can see in addition to what the other said, (tighten up first, and third, and not firing).
I saw the same thing on all accounts. |
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Location: Kansas | rachellyn80 - 2015-01-02 2:12 PM They pay 8 holes with 88 entered?
Yep, 51 or more pays 8 holes. It winds up being a super tough rodeo each day because there are many folks from around KC who can drive back & forth, saving on stalls & hookups, and it's 4 rodeos for one stall, hookup and fuel expense for those from farther away. Plus Hale Arena is known for having good ground, though I didn't think much of it the first night. Felt a little hard and slick underneath in some spots, but it was a lot better last night which is why I was so frustrated still being a 15.1. I will say that if it were a target race, we'd be winning - 15.128 and 15.108. LOL. |
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Location: In a happy place | You know I love your horses....but you said nitpick. Do you have to check him going into first? He stalled out behind second on first run don't know if it was the ground but I don't ususally see him do that. I would not worry about him pulling off of the third have seen lots win barrel races doing that. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Not firing and laying down most the day....does that worry you at all? Or is he a horse that usually rests like that? |
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Location: Kansas | run n rate - 2015-01-02 6:41 PM Not firing and laying down most the day....does that worry you at all? Or is he a horse that usually rests like that?
Believe me that has worried me all day. But since he smoked a 14.808 to get 4th tonight, I think he was just enjoying the sunshine, a soft spot in the pen and saving his energy for the run. I'm not usually at home during the days so I don't get to just sit out there and watch him, but it was bugging me big time.
Tonight's run - http://youtu.be/eOxP_JQ_480
Natalie Foutch won it with a 14.756, then there was a 14.779 and a 14.789 plus two 8's slower than me, a 14.901 and I think a 14.915 was going to be last hole. |
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Location: Kansas | sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 6:24 PM You know I love your horses....but you said nitpick. Do you have to check him going into first? He stalled out behind second on first run don't know if it was the ground but I don't ususally see him do that. I would not worry about him pulling off of the third have seen lots win barrel races doing that.
I have been needing to check him just a little the last year but a lot of times it's so slight you can't see it in a video. Tonight I loosened his chin strap a notch (thought about taking it off entirely and decided I wanted control while warming up) and think he ran in there a little harder. Whatever it was, I am glad it worked and will spend a lot of time studying that video so we can hopefully do it again tomorrow night.
The ground was kinda yucky the first night and a lot of horses hung up in it. I don't think I'm getting him shaped perfectly coming into second so he's not leaving it quite how I'd like so that's something we can fine tune. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Good to hear... That is the nice thing about working so close to home. I have the ability to run home at noon and check on everyone so having their "routine" down is easy. I do know if my little mare was ever found laying down ( though there is proof she must, dirt on her knees, etc , I have had her 8 years and other than rolling I've never seen her laying down) we'd be headed to the vet. The big mare and the gelding are sun worshippers. CC doesn't have time for that stuff, lol!!! |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2015-01-03 12:22 AM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 6:24 PM You know I love your horses....but you said nitpick. Do you have to check him going into first? He stalled out behind second on first run don't know if it was the ground but I don't ususally see him do that. I would not worry about him pulling off of the third have seen lots win barrel races doing that.
I have been needing to check him just a little the last year but a lot of times it's so slight you can't see it in a video. Tonight I loosened his chin strap a notch (thought about taking it off entirely and decided I wanted control while warming up) and think he ran in there a little harder. Whatever it was, I am glad it worked and will spend a lot of time studying that video so we can hopefully do it again tomorrow night.
The ground was kinda yucky the first night and a lot of horses hung up in it. I don't think I'm getting him shaped perfectly coming into second so he's not leaving it quite how I'd like so that's something we can fine tune.
Nice third run, the only thing I can see in that one is it looked like he dove towards second a little and maybe rocked it |
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Location: Kansas | run n rate - 2015-01-03 11:17 AM Good to hear... That is the nice thing about working so close to home. I have the ability to run home at noon and check on everyone so having their "routine" down is easy. I do know if my little mare was ever found laying down ( though there is proof she must, dirt on her knees, etc , I have had her 8 years and other than rolling I've never seen her laying down) we'd be headed to the vet. The big mare and the gelding are sun worshippers. CC doesn't have time for that stuff, lol!!!
It's not quite home, but we're staying at Matt's place 15 minutes from the arena. We are here a lot of weekends so my horses have their own pen and it's about as close to home as we get. He hasn't been laying down today but the ground is softer because it's warmed up. Yesterday the ground was still pretty frozen and because we had mud last weekend, the pen was pretty nasty with frozen mud clumps. I think he piled a bunch of old hay (I feed it on the ground up here because I haven't had the guys make me a feeder yet) into a bed and just relaxed. He's not normally one to lay around but I do catch him sunbathing occasionally. All day he just seemed relaxed and happy so I let him be. Actually I went out and sat beside him for a while just to make sure he was really OK. My thought after doing that was that his feet must be a touch sore from being on concrete at the rodeo, even though he's got Soft Rides. I started our warmup later last night, then kept him in the warmup barn until they were dragging to start barrels and found a spot on some dirt to stand as soon as I could in the main barn. Going to follow that same strategy tonight and hope it works again. :) |
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Location: Texas | rodeowithjoker - 2015-01-03 2:38 PM run n rate - 2015-01-03 11:17 AM Good to hear... That is the nice thing about working so close to home. I have the ability to run home at noon and check on everyone so having their "routine" down is easy. I do know if my little mare was ever found laying down ( though there is proof she must, dirt on her knees, etc , I have had her 8 years and other than rolling I've never seen her laying down) we'd be headed to the vet. The big mare and the gelding are sun worshippers. CC doesn't have time for that stuff, lol!!! It's not quite home, but we're staying at Matt's place 15 minutes from the arena. We are here a lot of weekends so my horses have their own pen and it's about as close to home as we get. He hasn't been laying down today but the ground is softer because it's warmed up. Yesterday the ground was still pretty frozen and because we had mud last weekend, the pen was pretty nasty with frozen mud clumps. I think he piled a bunch of old hay (I feed it on the ground up here because I haven't had the guys make me a feeder yet) into a bed and just relaxed. He's not normally one to lay around but I do catch him sunbathing occasionally. All day he just seemed relaxed and happy so I let him be. Actually I went out and sat beside him for a while just to make sure he was really OK. My thought after doing that was that his feet must be a touch sore from being on concrete at the rodeo, even though he's got Soft Rides. I started our warmup later last night, then kept him in the warmup barn until they were dragging to start barrels and found a spot on some dirt to stand as soon as I could in the main barn. Going to follow that same strategy tonight and hope it works again. :)
I would do exactly what you did last night. It did look like he was running a little harder in the 3rd video. Whatever you did to tune the 1st keep doing that.. For 2nd & 3rd I would focus on freeing him up a little bit so he doesn't dive/anticipate the barrel so bad. I think it slows you down a little and he blows off the backside of both barrels. Not bad obviously or you wouldn't be so close, but if he was freed up going into those barrels I think he would have been a 14.6 something or faster. Good luck on tonights run!! |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | rodeowithjoker - 2015-01-03 12:38 PM
run n rate - 2015-01-03 11:17 AM Good to hear... That is the nice thing about working so close to home. I have the ability to run home at noon and check on everyone so having their "routine" down is easy. I do know if my little mare was ever found laying down ( though there is proof she must, dirt on her knees, etc , I have had her 8 years and other than rolling I've never seen her laying down) we'd be headed to the vet. The big mare and the gelding are sun worshippers. CC doesn't have time for that stuff, lol!!!
It's not quite home, but we're staying at Matt's place 15 minutes from the arena. We are here a lot of weekends so my horses have their own pen and it's about as close to home as we get. He hasn't been laying down today but the ground is softer because it's warmed up. Yesterday the ground was still pretty frozen and because we had mud last weekend, the pen was pretty nasty with frozen mud clumps. I think he piled a bunch of old hay (I feed it on the ground up here because I haven't had the guys make me a feeder yet) into a bed and just relaxed. He's not normally one to lay around but I do catch him sunbathing occasionally. All day he just seemed relaxed and happy so I let him be. Actually I went out and sat beside him for a while just to make sure he was really OK. My thought after doing that was that his feet must be a touch sore from being on concrete at the rodeo, even though he's got Soft Rides. I started our warmup later last night, then kept him in the warmup barn until they were dragging to start barrels and found a spot on some dirt to stand as soon as I could in the main barn. Going to follow that same strategy tonight and hope it works again. :)
Well... did it work?? How'd you do?? |
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Location: Kansas | QH<3er - 2015-01-05 11:06 AM rodeowithjoker - 2015-01-03 12:38 PM run n rate - 2015-01-03 11:17 AM Good to hear... That is the nice thing about working so close to home. I have the ability to run home at noon and check on everyone so having their "routine" down is easy. I do know if my little mare was ever found laying down ( though there is proof she must, dirt on her knees, etc , I have had her 8 years and other than rolling I've never seen her laying down) we'd be headed to the vet. The big mare and the gelding are sun worshippers. CC doesn't have time for that stuff, lol!!! It's not quite home, but we're staying at Matt's place 15 minutes from the arena. We are here a lot of weekends so my horses have their own pen and it's about as close to home as we get. He hasn't been laying down today but the ground is softer because it's warmed up. Yesterday the ground was still pretty frozen and because we had mud last weekend, the pen was pretty nasty with frozen mud clumps. I think he piled a bunch of old hay (I feed it on the ground up here because I haven't had the guys make me a feeder yet) into a bed and just relaxed. He's not normally one to lay around but I do catch him sunbathing occasionally. All day he just seemed relaxed and happy so I let him be. Actually I went out and sat beside him for a while just to make sure he was really OK. My thought after doing that was that his feet must be a touch sore from being on concrete at the rodeo, even though he's got Soft Rides. I started our warmup later last night, then kept him in the warmup barn until they were dragging to start barrels and found a spot on some dirt to stand as soon as I could in the main barn. Going to follow that same strategy tonight and hope it works again. :) Well... did it work?? How'd you do??
http://youtu.be/q0d_xsisrT8
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Location: Oklahoma | Well I am just upset NO ONE told us about the stupid rodeo till the day before they left!!!!!!!!!!! LOL Good job!! |
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Location: Kansas | clover girl - 2015-01-05 2:30 PM Well I am just upset NO ONE told us about the stupid rodeo till the day before they left!!!!!!!!!!! LOL Good job!!
That sucks. It was a good four days. Long days & short nights but a good time was had by all - well all except my father, who got freight trained by a pickup horse while judging the bareback riding Wednesday night. We're pretty sure he had a concussion, but he finished judging the rodeo with minimal help.....mainly Mom & Brett stood outside the fence and told him which line to write scores down on. They said his scoring was completely normal but he wasn't doing so well with knowing WHO he was scoring LOL. |
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | To me, you're losing the most time at the second getting turned around to run to third. Each run, I see him dropping going into the second about a stride too early which is causing him to lose his hip just a hair which is then causing the extra step to get around and get going to the third. Watch your hand. You're having to work pretty hard to keep him stood up. If you can get him to stop dropping and stay up and running all the way to the rate point, he'll have his hip underneath and balanced and can fire that much faster when he gets around.
I tend to watch inside back legs in a turn. He's going in on the correct back lead but is switching leads to fire and take off to the third.
Just what I see. Ultimately you know your horse. He's a deceiving one that guy! I'd swear he's a full second off.  |
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Location: Kansas | TrackinBubba - 2015-01-05 2:50 PM To me, you're losing the most time at the second getting turned around to run to third. Each run, I see him dropping going into the second about a stride too early which is causing him to lose his hip just a hair which is then causing the extra step to get around and get going to the third. Watch your hand. You're having to work pretty hard to keep him stood up. If you can get him to stop dropping and stay up and running all the way to the rate point, he'll have his hip underneath and balanced and can fire that much faster when he gets around.
I tend to watch inside back legs in a turn. He's going in on the correct back lead but is switching leads to fire and take off to the third.
Just what I see. Ultimately you know your horse. He's a deceiving one that guy! I'd swear he's a full second off.
I see that too - pretty much all of it. I was thinking I could be coordinated enough to spank him once between 1st & 2nd but the run I carried the stick whip, I lost a stirrup and rode like a monkey holding on for dear life until after the 2nd barrel. He has always been deceiving with the long stride, and he's really smooth to ride so you don't feel like you're flying unless you ride him a lot and know what the smoking runs feel like. |
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | rodeowithjoker - 2015-01-05 4:27 PM TrackinBubba - 2015-01-05 2:50 PM To me, you're losing the most time at the second getting turned around to run to third. Each run, I see him dropping going into the second about a stride too early which is causing him to lose his hip just a hair which is then causing the extra step to get around and get going to the third. Watch your hand. You're having to work pretty hard to keep him stood up. If you can get him to stop dropping and stay up and running all the way to the rate point, he'll have his hip underneath and balanced and can fire that much faster when he gets around.
I tend to watch inside back legs in a turn. He's going in on the correct back lead but is switching leads to fire and take off to the third.
Just what I see. Ultimately you know your horse. He's a deceiving one that guy! I'd swear he's a full second off.
Those girls that can whip between barrels have my undying admiration. I try it and make the monkey on the border collie look like Sherry Cervi.
It all varies of course but some horses will just drop harder the more you push them. If it were me, I'd spend my time schooling that shoulder to lift and come off my hand right this minute every single time regardless of where you are or what speed your going. An off the pattern reminder of a reverse arc then reverse arc at the rate point, etc. It usually doesn't take too much to remind them to stand up. Sometimes you have to really push with your inside leg to get that instant reaction and get them to stand up and move over. |
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Location: Kansas | TrackinBubba - 2015-01-05 8:21 PM rodeowithjoker - 2015-01-05 4:27 PM TrackinBubba - 2015-01-05 2:50 PM To me, you're losing the most time at the second getting turned around to run to third. Each run, I see him dropping going into the second about a stride too early which is causing him to lose his hip just a hair which is then causing the extra step to get around and get going to the third. Watch your hand. You're having to work pretty hard to keep him stood up. If you can get him to stop dropping and stay up and running all the way to the rate point, he'll have his hip underneath and balanced and can fire that much faster when he gets around.
I tend to watch inside back legs in a turn. He's going in on the correct back lead but is switching leads to fire and take off to the third.
Just what I see. Ultimately you know your horse. He's a deceiving one that guy! I'd swear he's a full second off.
It all varies of course but some horses will just drop harder the more you push them. If it were me, I'd spend my time schooling that shoulder to lift and come off my hand right this minute every single time regardless of where you are or what speed your going. An off the pattern reminder of a reverse arc then reverse arc at the rate point, etc. It usually doesn't take too much to remind them to stand up. Sometimes you have to really push with your inside leg to get that instant reaction and get them to stand up and move over.
Sometimes I can whip between barrels but if I can whip between 1st & 2nd on Chance we are not going fast enough! I do need to work him on staying straight one more stride at 2nd & 3rd as he has a tendency to get a little dull sometimes. It's something we work on a lot.
I changed from blunt end English spurs to my basic spurs with a rowel covered in vet wrap after the 2nd night because I didn't feel like he was coming into any barrel shaped quite how I wanted. (The spurs are why he waved his tail a couple times going to the third barrel on Day 3.....apparently I got a little aggressive with them which is why they're wrapped) |
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Location: The Great Midwest | That was your Dad?! Poor guy! I missed it but everyone else said he got hit hard. |
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Location: Kansas | Willow55 - 2015-01-05 9:07 PM That was your Dad?! Poor guy! I missed it but everyone else said he got hit hard.
Yeah, that was him. I didn't see it either - I was putting Chance up from the grand entry and walked in about 5 seconds after it happened. When he didn't hop right back up, everyone who knows him knew he'd taken a heck of a shot. Roughies - even old retired ones - don't stay down for long unless they're really hurt.
He was not moving very well Thursday so they took him home and dug out his crutches from 31 1/2 years ago, bought some new parts for them and got him mobile again. This morning he was up before everyone else and doing the morning livestock chores with one crutch. lol. |
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