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Location: USA | I was at a jackpot the other day and saw a lady who had some type of headsetter device I haven't seen before. She had 2 strings, one running through each ring on the bit. Once they were ran through the bit rings, about 10 inches or so below the bit they were tied together and from there it was clipped onto the cinch. I'm guessing this is maybe similar to a running martingale in the sense that it's encouraging vertical flexion. She ran her horses in this, so is it supposed help keep the horses head down in the turn? |
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| Where did the other end of the strings go? Did they hook to the reins? |
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Location: USA | No. Are you talking about a German martingale? One end of the string clipped to the cinch while the other end ran through the bit rings. It's hard to explain. I wish I could've taken a pic but that would've looked a little weird |
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Location: Winging It in KY | So part of it would have acted as a curb chain, sort of, when the horse lifted it's head too high? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Poll martingale? Does it go behind the ears through the bit rings and then connect the 2 sides and attach to the cinch? I've never used one, but have seen them. I'd be afraid of getting my horse on its front end. |
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| Some type of draw reins or a war bonnet |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | I agree with the above, some type of draw rein. |
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| If the ends of the strings were clipped to the reins, you are talking about a German Martingale. like someone else suggested. A "string" is clipped to each rein, then run through the bit on it's own side then connects to the other in the chest region of the horse, then both are attached to the cinch. I have ridden some horses with this. Particularly ones that don't want to break at the poll and give their chin. The GM let's them "punish" themselves as every time they get strung out it pulls on their mouth, reminding them to "give" I have run in one a few times, but not my first, second or third option. Greta for slow work on some though. |
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | Was it a chambon? That might not be the right word. I know a bunch of Louisiana girls use them. Goes over the poll, through the bit and clips to the girth.
I use one on a mare that had a history of back soreness and heavy handling so she would hollow her back and tuck her nose to avoid contact without rounding at all. Lord it made her turns rough rough to ride. Head in the sky and stabbing with the front end. Lunged her in it for three weeks until she developed the necessary back muscles to round her back and move out. Now I ride her in it a couple times a week if I feel she needs a reminder to round her back. Great little tool.
Oh! I found what I actually use. Jeffers calls it an elastic training rein. http://www.jefferspet.com/products/1-4-wide-blk-elastic-training-reins |
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| Dreamingofcans - 2015-01-16 3:11 AM
I was at a jackpot the other day and saw a lady who had some type of headsetter device I haven't seen before. She had 2 strings, one running through each ring on the bit. Once they were ran through the bit rings, about 10 inches or so below the bit they were tied together and from there it was clipped onto the cinch. I'm guessing this is maybe similar to a running martingale in the sense that it's encouraging vertical flexion. She ran her horses in this, so is it supposed help keep the horses head down in the turn?
the two strings are not tied to each other? basically she had a string tied from the cinch to one side of the o'ring on both sides? |
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Location: cincinnati, oh | sounds like a Sharon Camarillo martingale |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | skeeter7 - 2015-01-17 12:09 PM sounds like a Sharon Camarillo martingale
yup....sounds like a poll martingale from sharon's tickel trunk.............
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| I think I might now what you are talking about maybe? I am guessing from your post, one end of the string was connected to the dee ring of the front cinch on the right side of the horse, through both rings of the bit (so across the chin) and then clipped to the dee ring of the cinch on the left side of the horse?
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | The way you describe it is being used as a tie down only using the bit to keep the head down. This will cut and rip the mouth using it this way there is no way for the horse to get relief and possibly cut the tongue. Wouldn't and shouldn't be used this way. Confused? have a picture? |
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Location: USA | I wish I had a picture!!
It does not go over the poll at all, nor does it clip to reins. It's kind of like a chambon, except instead of the strings running from the cinch to the top of the bridle and down the sides to the bit rings, it just goes directly to and through the bit rings and ties back to the string that runs between the legs to the cinch.
I'm guessing it's acting as some type of leverage aid for head set. Next time I see her I'll just ask lol. Sorry y'all, my explanations aren't very good.
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Location: Cedartown, Ga. | cow pie - 2015-01-16 3:15 PM The way you describe it is being used as a tie down only using the bit to keep the head down. This will cut and rip the mouth using it this way there is no way for the horse to get relief and possibly cut the tongue. Wouldn't and shouldn't be used this way. Confused? have a picture?
This is how I'm picturing it too. And if this is the case, IMO it's a very unsafe and dangerous rigging for the horse and potentially for the rider.
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Location: USA | spotnapp - 2015-01-16 4:10 PM cow pie - 2015-01-16 3:15 PM The way you describe it is being used as a tie down only using the bit to keep the head down. This will cut and rip the mouth using it this way there is no way for the horse to get relief and possibly cut the tongue. Wouldn't and shouldn't be used this way. Confused? have a picture?
This is how I'm picturing it too. And if this is the case, IMO it's a very unsafe and dangerous rigging for the horse and potentially for the rider.
I agree. It seems really harsh and unforgiving. I wasn't inquiring so I could make my own and use it, I was just curious as I had never seen one before. |
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Location: Montana | mruggles - 2015-01-16 12:11 PM skeeter7 - 2015-01-17 12:09 PM sounds like a Sharon Camarillo martingale yup....sounds like a poll martingale from sharon's tickel trunk.............
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My thoughts too...I like the idea, but haven't had a horse that needed any head gear yet except a running martingale, if you want to call that head gear, and only for slow work. |
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Location: Cedartown, Ga. | I am no artist by NO MEANS and I'm not telling my age either lol.......but is this how it looked......with a seperate line running from either side from the cinch d ring, through the bit ring, and ten back between the legs to the cinch ring? The red and blue on the lines is to show a separate line for each side. This is how I'm picturing it?????
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| Looks like something to lunge a horse in but I definitely wouldn't ride one in that. No emergency release. Yikes. |
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| It sounds like it might be what Sharon Camarrilo teaches at her clinics. It's a very useful tool. |
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Location: The South | Was it like this? This is called a "cowboy martingale" on the site I found.
This is is what it said:
Many martingales have rings that slide on the reins. The cowboy martingale attaches through slits in the split reins and runs through the outside rings of a snaffle bit before attaching to the front cinch. The purpose of this device is not to inhibit forward motion, but helps control extraneous motion such as head throwing, pulling the head away from the rider, shying, bolting, running away, turning back, etc. Obviously, there are specific times and places for its use.
http://www.cowboyshowcase.com/cowboy-martingale.html
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Location: USA | spotnapp - 2015-01-16 4:52 PM I am no artist by NO MEANS and I'm not telling my age either lol.......but is this how it looked......with a seperate line running from either side from the cinch d ring, through the bit ring, and ten back between the legs to the cinch ring? The red and blue on the lines is to show a separate line for each side. This is how I'm picturing it?????
It was like this except it didn't hook onto the sides of the horse. It just went from the D ring on the center of the cinch up through the bit rings and tied back to the string that is attached to the D-ring. |
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| Draw reins, can be hooked to the girth between the legs, or,the saddle d rings or,thenbreast strap ds. i have seen straps the go across the head and tie below tye rings on a snaffle and then go between the legs to inhibit a horse from routihg. The german martingale that attaches around thensnaffle. Then you have several different bit setters by different companies. |
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Location: Cedartown, Ga. | Dreamingofcans - 2015-01-16 10:18 PM spotnapp - 2015-01-16 4:52 PM I am no artist by NO MEANS and I'm not telling my age either lol.......but is this how it looked......with a seperate line running from either side from the cinch d ring, through the bit ring, and ten back between the legs to the cinch ring? The red and blue on the lines is to show a separate line for each side. This is how I'm picturing it????? It was like this except it didn't hook onto the sides of the horse. It just went from the D ring on the center of the cinch up through the bit rings and tied back to the string that is attached to the D-ring.
I gotcha now. 
I dont think I recall seeing a set up like this either. Since it only attaches from the girth to the bit, and not through the reins in any way, I can only see it being used as a form of tie-down; but not a very safe one.
As a side note I was only this thinking out loud ( which tends to get me in trouble  ) on my opinion about it being dangerous and unsafe, and wasn't assuming you were going to try to use this set-up yourself. 
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Location: USA | spotnapp - 2015-01-16 10:38 PM Dreamingofcans - 2015-01-16 10:18 PM spotnapp - 2015-01-16 4:52 PM I am no artist by NO MEANS and I'm not telling my age either lol.......but is this how it looked......with a seperate line running from either side from the cinch d ring, through the bit ring, and ten back between the legs to the cinch ring? The red and blue on the lines is to show a separate line for each side. This is how I'm picturing it????? It was like this except it didn't hook onto the sides of the horse. It just went from the D ring on the center of the cinch up through the bit rings and tied back to the string that is attached to the D-ring.
I dont think I recall seeing a set up like this either. Since it only attaches from the girth to the bit, and not through the reins in any way, I can only see it being used as a form of tie-down; but not a very safe one.
As a side note I was only this thinking out loud ( which tends to get me in trouble ) on my opinion about it being dangerous and unsafe, and wasn't assuming you were going to try to use this set-up yourself.
Oh gosh no it's fine! I don't think it's a safe contraption either. Lol. I had an idea on what it was for, but wasn't sure if it was more common in other parts. Thanks for your help! |
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That's just a German martingale with split reins.
I saw some pretty messed up head gear from showing pleasure horses, but whatever this was doesn't sound nice or safe :-/ |
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Location: USA | OhMax - 2015-01-17 10:18 AM
That's just a German martingale with split reins.
I saw some pretty messed up head gear from showing pleasure horses, but whatever this was doesn't sound nice or safe :-/
It's not a German martingale. |
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Location: Cedartown, Ga. | I think she was referring to LindsayJordan84's pic. ;) |
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| Dreamingofcans - 2015-01-17 3:24 PM
OhMax - 2015-01-17 10:18 AM
That's just a German martingale with split reins.
I saw some pretty messed up head gear from showing pleasure horses, but whatever this was doesn't sound nice or safe :-/
It's not a German martingale.
Sorry, I was trying to quote and copy the picture of the steel gray horse that was posted, not answering your question, idk why the other post didn't quote.
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Location: USA | OhMax - 2015-01-17 10:49 PM Dreamingofcans - 2015-01-17 3:24 PM OhMax - 2015-01-17 10:18 AM That's just a German martingale with split reins. I saw some pretty messed up head gear from showing pleasure horses, but whatever this was doesn't sound nice or safe :-/ It's not a German martingale. Sorry, I was trying to quote and copy the picture of the steel gray horse that was posted, not answering your question, idk why the other post didn't quote.
It's ok! =)
I tried quoting and copying a picture the other day and it did the same thing. |
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Location: Da Booshes | I think I know what your talking about, it's usually used for horses that take their nose away from you, nose rooting straight out. Never seen it used in public though more of an old school, at home device. Most of the time it only needs to be used for a couple times just enough to break the habit then you take it off. Used all the time it would be more of a band-aid than a quick bad habit breaker. |
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