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Worth the read...
http://www.doctorramey.com/ready-tildren-osphos/
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| Bump for you. We started one on it and sold him. Buyer was older and doesn't fb or text much so we only see at shows. He said he was continuing treatment though. Hope he has...we didn't notice any improvement when he left yet.
I wanted to add that people are not just using this for navicular and I'd like to hear from those of you who are using it for other injuries!!
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Location: Bandera, TX | My mare got Osphos on 12/23 at A&M. She does NOT have navicular issues, but has sore bones. Per nuclear scan she showed soreness on both point of hips, SI and sternum. She was also sore to the touch.
She also has a suspensory injury so she is still on rest. However, it apppears that she is now not as sore anymore when I palpate her back... |
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Location: Central Texas | I would love to hear some personal experiences as well. I have used Tildren in the past with great success but am opting to try Osphos on 02/07/15 for mine's yearly treatment. I really just wanted to see if it worked the same (suppose to be a little cheaper) and if it would help in other areas as well, ie hocks/stifles. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | ampratt - 2015-01-20 2:19 PM I would love to hear some personal experiences as well. I have used Tildren in the past with great success but am opting to try Osphos on 02/07/15 for mine's yearly treatment. I really just wanted to see if it worked the same (suppose to be a little cheaper) and if it would help in other areas as well, ie hocks/stifles.
I paid $300 for the Osphos. |
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Location: Central Montana | I'm on day 25 today.....we gave it to my guy on Christmas Day.
So far I've sadly noticed no changes, in fact, he has been pretty sore the last few days. I'm beginning to think he may have an abcess or a bruise from the ice and snow. I'm more than a little bummed not to see some improvement yet, but am still hoping. |
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| GoinJettin - 2015-01-20 11:11 PM
I'm on day 25 today.....we gave it to my guy on Christmas Day.
So far I've sadly noticed no changes, in fact, he has been pretty sore the last few days. I'm beginning to think he may have an abcess or a bruise from the ice and snow. I'm more than a little bummed not to see some improvement yet, but am still hoping.
Gah don't tell me that!
I just ordered through my vet he gave it to me for $230. We are going to use it for arthritic hock changes on an elderly gelding that is still competing hard. The other horse we did an injection on was actually for coffin joint issues. We are hoping to see a change. I think we might be doing more preventative maintenance than anything else with these injections but if it helps him in the slightest amount its worth the cost.
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-01-22 10:09 AM
I pick mine up today and will give it saturday so I can observe him for couple hours in case he colics. Im giving it to a 4 year old sound colt. Vet saw some VERY SLIGHT "Maybe" changes that could affect him 10-15 years down the road so we decided to be preventative and take care of it now before it becomes a problem later. SO I won't likely see an "Improvement" per se. We are going to do xrays again in a year and compare.
Please keep updating this thread updated and I will try to as well! |
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Location: Central Texas | GoMistyGo - 2015-01-20 2:21 PM
ampratt - 2015-01-20 2:19 PM I would love to hear some personal experiences as well. I have used Tildren in the past with great success but am opting to try Osphos on 02/07/15 for mine's yearly treatment. I really just wanted to see if it worked the same (suppose to be a little cheaper) and if it would help in other areas as well, ie hocks/stifles.
I paid $300 for the Osphos.
Was that 300.00 total for the meds and vet charge for the injections? |
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Location: Bandera, TX | ampratt - 2015-01-22 10:31 AM
GoMistyGo - 2015-01-20 2:21 PM
ampratt - 2015-01-20 2:19 PM I would love to hear some personal experiences as well. I have used Tildren in the past with great success but am opting to try Osphos on 02/07/15 for mine's yearly treatment. I really just wanted to see if it worked the same (suppose to be a little cheaper) and if it would help in other areas as well, ie hocks/stifles.
I paid $300 for the Osphos.
Was that 300.00 total for the meds and vet charge for the injections?
I had a massive vet bill that day as we did a bone scan and a bazzillion xrays and ultrasound images.... Osphos was listed as $300.... I saw the cost online for vets is around $230ish.... |
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| Im hoping my vet doesn't gouge me to much on the cost. I see You can get it with farmvet for 230.00 with vet prescription. Im giving mine myself. She gave me the Dosage (13cc for my horse) given in 3 different locations IM simultaneously starting with neck first then both butt cheeks. Monitor for 2 hours post injection for signs of colic. Hand walk if needed or banamine if really uncomfortable. |
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Location: Central Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-01-22 11:18 AM
Im hoping my vet doesn't gouge me to much on the cost. I see You can get it with farmvet for 230.00 with vet prescription. Im giving mine myself. She gave me the Dosage (13cc for my horse) given in 3 different locations IM simultaneously starting with neck first then both butt cheeks. Monitor for 2 hours post injection for signs of colic. Hand walk if needed or banamine if really uncomfortable.
Yeah, I saw one place had it for 216.99 no shipping fees. So, hopefully most vets won't upcharge to much. Good to know about the injection sites. This thread is a good one. |
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Location: Central Montana | We got prescription, ordered, and gave it ourselves.......5ml in three injection sites. Vet says my guy has "craters" in his Navicular bones .......soooo........I wait. |
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Location: Central Texas | GoinJettin - 2015-01-22 11:06 PM
We got prescription, ordered, and gave it ourselves.......5ml in three injection sites. Vet says my guy has "craters" in his Navicular bones .......soooo........I wait.
What 3 injection sites did you use? Just curious. I didn't even think about getting it and injecting myself. Nice to know. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | ampratt - 2015-01-23 7:19 AM GoinJettin - 2015-01-22 11:06 PM We got prescription, ordered, and gave it ourselves.......5ml in three injection sites. Vet says my guy has "craters" in his Navicular bones .......soooo........I wait. What 3 injection sites did you use? Just curious. I didn't even think about getting it and injecting myself. Nice to know.
At A&M they gave two seperate shots on one side of the neck, and one on the other side. I like the idea about giving some in the butt though. |
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| Wanted to update this it has been a little over 3 month and we are seeing big improvements from our aged gelding. It's like he's continually getting a shot of legend. He ran this weekend in an arena he doesn't like (because it has a hard pan underneath) and he still worked...too good actually LOL
Highly recommend trying this stuff. I just hope they don't jack the price up on us. |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-03-24 8:21 AM
Wanted to update this it has been a little over 3 month and we are seeing big improvements from our aged gelding. It's like he's continually getting a shot of legend. He ran this weekend in an arena he doesn't like (because it has a hard pan underneath) and he still worked...too good actually LOL
Highly recommend trying this stuff. I just hope they don't jack the price up on us.
Agreed! I am 3 months out on TWO horses. Both have improved SO MUCH that my good horse went from previcox daily to ZERO NSAID's and runs completely sound. Best 300 I ever spent. |
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Location: Central Texas | How long after the injections was it before you saw improvements? Was it pretty instantaneous or gradual? Keep us posted on how long it appears to last as well. Thanks! |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-03-24 12:10 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-03-24 8:21 AM
Wanted to update this it has been a little over 3 month and we are seeing big improvements from our aged gelding. It's like he's continually getting a shot of legend. He ran this weekend in an arena he doesn't like (because it has a hard pan underneath) and he still worked...too good actually LOL
Highly recommend trying this stuff. I just hope they don't jack the price up on us.
Agreed! I am 3 months out on TWO horses. Both have improved SO MUCH that my good horse went from previcox daily to ZERO NSAID's and runs completely sound. Best 300 I ever spent.
I paid $270 but I wanna stock up before the price goes up! LOL
I was getting antsy waiting to the 60 day mark to see improvement but we are really happy with the results. We were not seeing much improvement at all until we hit that 60 day then started noticing him being not as tense and acting like a 4 yr old again. In fact he's dang full of himself...striding out, smoother turns, and ready to work.
ETA: does anyone know if it has a self life? I've skimmed through the PDF drug insert and the MSDS but have found nothing.
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| Is this suppose to be the same thing as Tildren? What did everyone use it for? Navicular, hocks, SI, Stifles??? |
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| RHRanch - 2015-03-24 11:13 AM
Is this suppose to be the same thing as Tildren? What did everyone use it for? Navicular, hocks, SI, Stifles???
Tildren and Osphos are in the same drug class but not the same. Mine was for a horse that had arthritis in his coffin joint. |
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| I've got a 7 year old mare that the vet recommended retiring because of navicular changes that appear to be causing thickening of the flexor tendon. We did not investigate further than flex tests and x-rays because he didn't feel like it was worth the expense. You can't feel the thickening with palpation. I've been fighting navicular issues with her since a young age due to negative angles. She was running as sound as she ever had been this past year, and then all of a sudden she started going downhill. It's now to the point that she's head bobbing lame at a walk and is pointing a toe. I'm wondering if there isn't some kind of other injury. Anyways, I'm looking for treatment options that might help her feel better. Is Osphos something that might have a positive effect on her? Even at $300 that's a pretty cheap treatment option when comparing to injections, pain meds, corrective shoeing, etc. |
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Location: North Dakota | My friend's mare was diagnosed with navicular changes and laminities last spring. In December they gave her OSHPOS and she is getting her legged back up and she said she is feeling great! I have a mare I am saving up to try it on as well. |
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Location: North Dakota | Just wanting to "revive" this thread, as I am considering Osphos for my gelding.
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| Well, my good horse was doing great on it, then last week chipped his navicular bone. SO can't really update. lol |
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| Its proving to be the fountain of youth for our older gelding...he has no navicular changes but this was recommended by the vet
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Location: Where the buffalo roam | My 15 YO horse was diagnosed at 8 with navicular and I have babied him through all these years until last Fall when it caught up with him. We gave him Osphos about 6 weeks ago and didn't see any difference and then went on vacation for 2 weeks and when we came back (at about the 5 week mark) he was a changed horse! Once he gets his stifle and hocks injected I think I will see even better results as he won't be compensating for them. I am not going to try running him for another 4 weeks just to see how it all works out. So far I'm really happy with what I'm seeing. |
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| Just wanted to add that I plan on giving it to my 6yo OTT QH gelding that has shown changes in the heel of his coffin bone. He doesn't show any pain because of it (we found it due to x-raying an abscess) but I want to take care of it now that I know its there. |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | Wow, this stuff sounds like a miracle drug! I'm going to have to ask my vet about it. I have a horse who stumbles and shows heel or toe soreness depending on what vet is examining him. He also has sidebone but the vets say it shouldn't be causing the stumbling because it's long set. His X-rays showed a very very tiny, light "dot" on the navicular bone. Isoxsuprine and Previcox doesn't make a bit of a difference. He still stumbles. I just retired him. Maybe I need to take him out of retirement and try this. He's a spectacular animal and I hate to see him "go to waste," so to speak. I guess I better go back and read that article. |
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Location: Central Texas | Gave Osphos to mine on March 28, didn't see any inprovement until about the 4-5 week mark, then WOW. Going to start legging him back up and hoping to be back running soon. Curious to see how long it lasts as well. |
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Only lasts 6 months.
Yes, I read 3 to 6 months. Now, wondering if that is 3-6 months from the initial injection or 3-6 months from the projected 60 days it is suggested that it takes for the effect to be realized. Just wondering when I should get mine done again. I absolutely do not want to wait until he starts showing signs and then have to wait for the "build up" again. Thinking maybe I will do mine again 6 months from the 60 day mark. Ouch, that made my head hurt trying to understand what I wrote. |
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| On the second dose now, first one wore off in exactly 6 months. If your horses has any bone issues I highly recommend you invest in this product. |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-08-27 6:51 AM
On the second dose now, first one wore off in exactly 6 months. If your horses has any bone issues I highly recommend you invest in this product.
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| Used tildrens on a 7 year old with major hock changes, 45 days marked improvement. Rechecking at vet in 2 weeks. So far it seems miraculous |
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Location: TN | I had Tildren given to my 16 year old bay mare. wow freaking wow!!  
Had execlent results she went to her first show and won poles with a 20.4 smooth and correct. then she ended up winning the open barrels (she had been placing consistently in the top of the 2D). it paid $510 so it was well worth the $400 MS state University charged.
I was having a problem for a year and half with my 10 year old sorrel mare. no one could find anything wrong. but her performance got worse and she quit using her self. finally after 3 diffwerent DVM one in TN, one in KY, I finally took her to MS State and they figured out the problem but tried simple injections which did not help the last 3 times they were tried but its hard to argue your point when its a different person.
In July of this year I bought a vial of Tildrophos from horse pre race and gave it in 3 shots.
August 25, I took her back to MS state to try Tildren on her her for "bone pain" we have documented x-rays(originally taken back inMay 2015 at MS State) where she developed bilateral sub condroal bone cysts in both humerous(stifle)bones. She said it might help since she has bone pain that we can block out and her gait changes. She was xrayed again and she had improvements on the larger right cyst. (possibly from the horse pre race dose??)any way next monday will be 60 days on the tildren.
I know the question was for osteophos but all 3 drugs are biophosphates so other than strength and activity restrictions placed for each drug there should be simmular effects.
I did learn that there is a new class of biophosphates that has been developed for human use and is very expensive....... the changes are due the increase of breast CA with woman who used the biophosphates. (why they needed a new market (horses))
will let you know the results in a week. any one wanna see video of my winning runs?
tildr0phos= $ 125 from horse pre race
osteophos=$265 given by local DVM
Tildren= $400 given @ Ms State
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Would any of these work for an old arthritic gelding? He creaks like an old house and takes off from a walk or stop slowly, but doesn't ever seem to be in pain or hurting. . . . He's retired and a pasture pet, but I'd do anything to keep him Happy! (Still bucks and kicks and carries on with the other horses) |
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Location: here there and everywhere! | My guys suffers from Navicular bipartite (basically he was born with his navicular bone in almost 2 pieces) didnt find out till he was almost 6. He went from barely being able to be ridden (15 min at most) to now i can ride him (at just a walk) for 40 min. we are at almost 90 days since the first injection. I for one think its a huge improvement will be doing another shot again |
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I couldn't get the second one to open but the poles were nicely done! Hope this continues to work for your horse. |
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| I have a 10 year old gelding with arthritis in a back fetlock. I inject it every 6 months and keep him on NexHa every 3 weeks and he seems to respond well but I've been going to a lot of rodeos on him. Is this something that could benefit him? I've read what I could find about it on google but most of it is talking about navicular. Does it help the body produce extra joint fluid or is it more of like a pain med? |
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| casualdust07 - 2015-09-11 10:03 AM
have any of y'all used it on a horse with an issue other than navicular?
Yes hock and overall soreness from being an aged gelding who went the futurity and derby route before being an open horse
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| Bear - 2015-09-12 9:19 AM
Excellent article...if people actually read it completely.
Reminds of of what my Biometry professor used to say....
"There are mathematicians, statisticians, and **** liars."
But I've tried both drugs on a few different horses. Tildren showed a lil improvement but not worth the money at all bc we could see the same difference by just giving legend IV the day of the show. Osphos has been the fountain of youth of an aged gelding we have tho... |
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Can someone let us know where to order it from and what injection sights you are using?
You will need to get Tildren or Osphos from yor vet or a prescription from the vet for it, if they give you one. If you give the shots yourself, my vet gives 2 on one side of the neck and 1 on the other side of the neck. |
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| Hey there, I am using the TOTAL support on both my horses. THe one with some arthritis and joint issues is also on the PURE half dose. My colt gets TOTAL and Adapt/Calm. I paid 125.00 for the osteophos from horse prerace. I would sell it for 50.00 THanks! Just PM me if you want it. Its fresh. But it is NOT Osphos, it is the horseprerace version. |
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CanChick - 2015-10-05 5:21 PM
Can someone let us know where to order it from and what injection sights you are using?
You will need to get Tildren or Osphos from yor vet or a prescription from the vet for it, if they give you one. If you give the shots yourself, my vet gives 2 on one side of the neck and 1 on the other side of the neck.
Thank you. Valley Vet has it for about $229 a bottle. Anywhere else you might know of to look? |
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| run n rate - 2015-10-06 10:48 AM
I have an appointment for my gelding on Monday, if you still have the bottle by then I'm calling dibs on it :-) If you get another offer I understand that too! Thank you for the info on the Cur_ost. I just started my mare on the Stomach one and had gotten the Green for the gelding but am thinking that I may need to go with the 2X one instead.
Its not going anywhere.. just let me know. No worries
I was having a hard time deciding on Curost for my horses so just went total support.. lol
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Location: NE Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-10-06 12:39 PM Hey there, I am using the TOTAL support on both my horses. THe one with some arthritis and joint issues is also on the PURE half dose. My colt gets TOTAL and Adapt/Calm. I paid 125.00 for the osteophos from horse prerace. I would sell it for 50.00 THanks! Just PM me if you want it. Its fresh. But it is NOT Osphos, it is the horseprerace version.
I have some medications I need to throw into this deal as well, Flit. I no longer need my Previcoxx, Ventipulmin, or Dex anymore even though my horse was non responsive to any of it anyway. The Cur-Ost is all I need to maintain mine and keep him feeling his best. |
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ampratt - 2015-10-06 7:42 AM
CanChick - 2015-10-05 5:21 PM
Can someone let us know where to order it from and what injection sights you are using?
You will need to get Tildren or Osphos from yor vet or a prescription from the vet for it, if they give you one. If you give the shots yourself, my vet gives 2 on one side of the neck and 1 on the other side of the neck.
Thank you. Valley Vet has it for about $229 a bottle. Anywhere else you might know of to look?
I think most of them were around that price for the FDA approved products. Horseprerace and Horsemedsonline used to have a generic version. Not sure if they still do anymore. You could call them and ask. They do not require a vet prescription. They are not FDA approved so if this is a requirement for you, you will have to go the script by vet route. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-10-06 9:16 PM I have been on curost almost 2.5 months now. The vial I have is from horse pre race, not the FDA approved one.
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FLITASTIC - 2015-10-06 9:16 PM I have been on curost almost 2.5 months now. The vial I have is from horse pre race, not the FDA approved one.
what is the horse prerace stuff called?
osteophos but just looked and it doesnt look like they make it anymore.
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Location: In My Own Dream Land | I wasn't in the start of this thread, but hoping I can chime in now.
I put my mare on OsPhos in July. She was a 1d mare before. (3rd-5th normally) I noticed improvement within a week. Not a huge one, but enough where I knew it was working. I took her to a jackpot 9 days after my vet appt. She won the jackpot by a whole second. From July until now, she has won 8 out of 9 jackpots entered, including winning the 1st round of state finals by .4 tenths, and the average by .6. 6 of those jackpots, she has won the 1d all alone. I'm not saying its a miracle drug, but I have had great results with it.
Will be doing my 2nd shot in the next few weeks.
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| tThompson - 2015-10-08 12:23 PM
I wasn't in the start of this thread, but hoping I can chime in now.
I put my mare on OsPhos in July. She was a 1d mare before. (3rd-5th normally) I noticed improvement within a week. Not a huge one, but enough where I knew it was working. I took her to a jackpot 9 days after my vet appt. She won the jackpot by a whole second. From July until now, she has won 8 out of 9 jackpots entered, including winning the 1st round of state finals by .4 tenths, and the average by .6. 6 of those jackpots, she has won the 1d all alone. I'm not saying its a miracle drug, but I have had great results with it.
Will be doing my 2nd shot in the next few weeks.
Just be aware that the effect diminishes each time you give it. My vet said by the 3rd time it really has no effect. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So Flit, does he mean that with the first shot you will get all the changes or benefits you can squeeze out of it and then you will pretty much need other alternatives? |
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Location: In My Own Dream Land | FLITASTIC - 2015-10-08 2:53 PM tThompson - 2015-10-08 12:23 PM I wasn't in the start of this thread, but hoping I can chime in now.
I put my mare on OsPhos in July. She was a 1d mare before. (3rd-5th normally) I noticed improvement within a week. Not a huge one, but enough where I knew it was working. I took her to a jackpot 9 days after my vet appt. She won the jackpot by a whole second. From July until now, she has won 8 out of 9 jackpots entered, including winning the 1st round of state finals by .4 tenths, and the average by .6. 6 of those jackpots, she has won the 1d all alone. I'm not saying its a miracle drug, but I have had great results with it.
Will be doing my 2nd shot in the next few weeks.
Just be aware that the effect diminishes each time you give it. My vet said by the 3rd time it really has no effect.
I was not told about that. Interesting. Now that makes me nervous. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-10-08 1:18 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2015-10-07 7:59 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-10-06 9:16 PM I have been on curost almost 2.5 months now. The vial I have is from horse pre race, not the FDA approved one. what is the horse prerace stuff called?
osteophos but just looked and it doesnt look like they make it anymore.
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| tThompson - 2015-10-08 2:37 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-10-08 2:53 PM tThompson - 2015-10-08 12:23 PM I wasn't in the start of this thread, but hoping I can chime in now.
I put my mare on OsPhos in July. She was a 1d mare before. (3rd-5th normally) I noticed improvement within a week. Not a huge one, but enough where I knew it was working. I took her to a jackpot 9 days after my vet appt. She won the jackpot by a whole second. From July until now, she has won 8 out of 9 jackpots entered, including winning the 1st round of state finals by .4 tenths, and the average by .6. 6 of those jackpots, she has won the 1d all alone. I'm not saying its a miracle drug, but I have had great results with it.
Will be doing my 2nd shot in the next few weeks.
Just be aware that the effect diminishes each time you give it. My vet said by the 3rd time it really has no effect.
When Osphos was first FDA approved there were no horses that had been given multiple doses over time. Now they have. The vet told me that evidence is now showing that the first dose is most effective, and each dose there after doesn't seem to work as well. Her advice was to really stretch it out as far as I could. Having said that, since being on CUROST my horse has not needed injections, previcox, or polyglycan. |
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Location: In My Own Dream Land | FLITASTIC - 2015-10-08 10:02 PM tThompson - 2015-10-08 2:37 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-10-08 2:53 PM tThompson - 2015-10-08 12:23 PM I wasn't in the start of this thread, but hoping I can chime in now.
I put my mare on OsPhos in July. She was a 1d mare before. (3rd-5th normally) I noticed improvement within a week. Not a huge one, but enough where I knew it was working. I took her to a jackpot 9 days after my vet appt. She won the jackpot by a whole second. From July until now, she has won 8 out of 9 jackpots entered, including winning the 1st round of state finals by .4 tenths, and the average by .6. 6 of those jackpots, she has won the 1d all alone. I'm not saying its a miracle drug, but I have had great results with it.
Will be doing my 2nd shot in the next few weeks.
Just be aware that the effect diminishes each time you give it. My vet said by the 3rd time it really has no effect. When Osphos was first FDA approved there were no horses that had been given multiple doses over time. Now they have. The vet told me that evidence is now showing that the first dose is most effective, and each dose there after doesn't seem to work as well. Her advice was to really stretch it out as far as I could. Having said that, since being on CUROST my horse has not needed injections, previcox, or polyglycan.
Can I have more info on Curost? The horse I'm using Osphos on is 6, so anything to lengthen her career.. |
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Location: NE Texas | tThompson - 2015-10-09 8:49 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-10-08 10:02 PM tThompson - 2015-10-08 2:37 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-10-08 2:53 PM tThompson - 2015-10-08 12:23 PM I wasn't in the start of this thread, but hoping I can chime in now.
I put my mare on OsPhos in July. She was a 1d mare before. (3rd-5th normally) I noticed improvement within a week. Not a huge one, but enough where I knew it was working. I took her to a jackpot 9 days after my vet appt. She won the jackpot by a whole second. From July until now, she has won 8 out of 9 jackpots entered, including winning the 1st round of state finals by .4 tenths, and the average by .6. 6 of those jackpots, she has won the 1d all alone. I'm not saying its a miracle drug, but I have had great results with it.
Will be doing my 2nd shot in the next few weeks.
Just be aware that the effect diminishes each time you give it. My vet said by the 3rd time it really has no effect. When Osphos was first FDA approved there were no horses that had been given multiple doses over time. Now they have. The vet told me that evidence is now showing that the first dose is most effective, and each dose there after doesn't seem to work as well. Her advice was to really stretch it out as far as I could. Having said that, since being on CUROST my horse has not needed injections, previcox, or polyglycan.
Going the Cur-Ost route is one you will not regret. It's a complete lifestyle change for your horses beginning with taking them off of any processed feeds or supplements containing synthetics, as all of that is contributing to the chronic inflammatory issues we are dealing with in our horses. For years I have used pro and prebiotics, ulcer supplements, joint supplements, breathing supplements, along with high dollar feed, etc. I no longer need any of the afore mentioned things, my horse eats one pound of oats once daily with his Cur-OST and alfalfa hay and looks better and is 100% healthy. That's a big change from where we were 7 months ago after having gone to 4 different vets in 2 states and exceeding their treatment options. Last vet recommended we put this horse down. I spent over $5000 in 3 months on vets and treatments to get nowhere. When I contacted Dr. Schell....after about a million hours of google research....I was skeptical to say the least and nearly puked when I placed my first order. Rolled my eyes and thought here we go again....another supplement gimmick. Boy was I wrong.....in 30 days I had a brand new horse who was healthy, happy, and back in training. http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=465265&start=1
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Location: 31 lengths farms | tThompson...my gelding came up sore again about 2 weeks ago. Not bad but if you know him then you knew he was not reaching like normal and was slightly more off in a tight circle. I sent his x-rays I had done at UC Davis last June to the vet I normally use for major lameness issue and he consulted with me on them, had an appointment set to take one MRI of the right front and make some shoeing changes based on his findings of the x-rays and what he sees on the MRI.
So Tucker was what I'd say was a 2/3 on the lameness scale, get home last Sunday and he is hobbling. The bot flies were out and attacking, the two mares in the pastures next to him where running and bucking and kicking, Tucker was foamy and sweaty and as I checked him another one zoomed in on him. He was now a 9 on the lameness scale, didnt' want to really bear weight on the right front, stood pointing it, called the vet he said to go ahead and give him some Previcoxx . No change, no change the next day, called the vet again, he said to take him off the Previcoxx until the appt. I ordered the Cur_ost stomach for my little mare with stomach issues and had gotten the Green for Tucker and it happened to come in on Tuesday so I gave him his first dose Tuesday night, Wednesday morning he walked over the feeder looking significantly better. Wednesday night I get home and he is out in kicking and running again from the Bot flies (no spray seems to do anything for them) and trying to hide in the bushes to get away from them. I'm expecting a totally crippled horse again, grab the spray and head out to him, he trotted over to me hardly any gimp at all!!!! Gave him his second dose and was thinking we'll see what tonight brings after I get back from teaching gymnastics. Got home,grabbed the flash light and he walked over still looking good, next morning same, in fact loped over to the feed tub like he usually does.
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2015-10-09 12:48 PM
Tonight will be my first ride on CC since starting the Stomach with her. I am interested to see if I notice changes with her as quickly as I did with Tucker.
How did CC's ride go---notice a difference? Glad to hear the Cur-ost is helping Tucker. I'm about convinced by all these good reports from so many different folks to give it a try for my 36 year old boy and recently retired to pasture pet status mare. . . |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So took CC for a ride down the creek last night. Now CC is the worlds worst trail horse, there is nothing soothing about it to her, she doesn't care for rabbits and deer popping out of bushes and birds flying suddenly from trees, she'd much rather lope a circle in a space she knows well. Normally you have to ride two handed and guide her on the way out much like a 2 year old colt and be ready for the bolt action if a deer does bust out and she decides that is the cue to GO HOME to SAFETY!!!! And the trip home is full blown "lets get the H E double toothpicks out of here!" Last night she actually walked down the creek without her normal anxiety and was controllable on the way home, she did lookey lou around like normal, but I'll take that. |
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Location: Central Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-10-08 10:02 PM
tThompson - 2015-10-08 2:37 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-10-08 2:53 PM tThompson - 2015-10-08 12:23 PM I wasn't in the start of this thread, but hoping I can chime in now.
I put my mare on OsPhos in July. She was a 1d mare before. (3rd-5th normally) I noticed improvement within a week. Not a huge one, but enough where I knew it was working. I took her to a jackpot 9 days after my vet appt. She won the jackpot by a whole second. From July until now, she has won 8 out of 9 jackpots entered, including winning the 1st round of state finals by .4 tenths, and the average by .6. 6 of those jackpots, she has won the 1d all alone. I'm not saying its a miracle drug, but I have had great results with it.
Will be doing my 2nd shot in the next few weeks.
Just be aware that the effect diminishes each time you give it. My vet said by the 3rd time it really has no effect.
When Osphos was first FDA approved there were no horses that had been given multiple doses over time. Now they have. The vet told me that evidence is now showing that the first dose is most effective, and each dose there after doesn't seem to work as well. Her advice was to really stretch it out as far as I could. Having said that, since being on CUROST my horse has not needed injections, previcox, or polyglycan.
I am by no means a vet but I have had intensive experience with Tildren (since 2010 with Tildren) and now an ongoing experience with Osphos. It stands to reason that it will appear that the first treatment will be the most benefical, you're taking a lame horse and hopefully making it sound, you are going to notice this. The follow up treatments are maintaining that soundness so probably not so noticeable. I am currently doing the Osphos every 6 to 7 months as a maintenance and my horse has shown absolutely no signs of any diminishing benefits from the drug (thank goodness). I just spoke with my vet after seeing this, she states she has received no information regarding this. She in turned called one of the best lameness vets here in Texas and he said the same, he hasn't received any documented information in regards to this. I would love to gets my hand on the information your vet obtained regardiing this. Thanks! |
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Location: Lost in Texas | RunfastNTurn - 2015-10-15 1:25 PM When I click on the link to the article it says file not found. Does anyone perhaps have it downloaded they could possibly send it to me, I really want to read this article.
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| casualdust07 - 2015-09-11 7:03 AM
have any of y'all used it on a horse with an issue other than navicular?
Currently using it for arthritis in neck, back and overall discomfort. Said horse is 18 ran on the track as a 2 year and was futurities at 4. As long as he stays on it he doesn’t need previcox. |
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Location: Arkansas | run n rate - 2015-10-14 11:55 AM
So took CC for a ride down the creek last night. Now CC is the worlds worst trail horse, there is nothing soothing about it to her, she doesn't care for rabbits and deer popping out of bushes and birds flying suddenly from trees, she'd much rather lope a circle in a space she knows well. Normally you have to ride two handed and guide her on the way out much like a 2 year old colt and be ready for the bolt action if a deer does bust out and she decides that is the cue to GO HOME to SAFETY!!!! And the trip home is full blown "lets get the H E double toothpicks out of here!" Last night she actually walked down the creek without her normal anxiety and was controllable on the way home, she did lookey lou around like normal, but I'll take that.
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| Bumping this back up, did any of your vets recommend time off AFTER giving the Osphos? I used it last year one time and was told it may not take effect right away but wouldnt hurt to use the horse in the mean time. Thanks! I am exploring options and am on the fence on if I am going to use it again. I know the side effects and am currently in research mode weighing costs and benefits of its use. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Tucker got his shot of Osphos October 10th of last fall. He had very slight changes to the navicular and coffin bones but he is 15 and has had a lot of things done with him, cutting, reined cow horse and barrel racing. As I said, I also added Cur-Ost to the changes we made with him. He did come up slightly off on the left front at his vet appt. in February but because of truck issues he was excedeingly long on his shoeing too. Once we got him re-balanced and the vet watched him move on hard rocky ground I was given the go ahead to get him fit to run this spring. |
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| I asked my vet about OsPhos. He isn't sold on it. Flitastic, is your horse sore again? I would try oxysox and hoof intensify along with the TNP from Oxygen. Or TLC has a good product Equibone . But be sure you get it in the pellets. |
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| readytorodeo - 2016-03-08 12:10 PM
I asked my vet about OsPhos. He isn't sold on it. Flitastic, is your horse sore again? I would try oxysox and hoof intensify along with the TNP from Oxygen. Or TLC has a good product Equibone . But be sure you get it in the pellets.
No, not really! LOL Sound as a dollar to xrays and flex tests.. Just looking at options at this point. |
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Location: Texas | FLITASTIC - 2016-03-08 1:31 PM
Bumping this back up, did any of your vets recommend time off AFTER giving the Osphos? I used it last year one time and was told it may not take effect right away but wouldnt hurt to use the horse in the mean time. Thanks! I am exploring options and am on the fence on if I am going to use it again. I know the side effects and am currently in research mode weighing costs and benefits of its use.
Yes, I was told to give them time off.
I was considering using Osphos for one but after going to the national convention and listening to what clinicians are saying about it, it sounds kind of scary. Most definitely don't put Tilden or Osphos in joints. And they are finding now there is an increased indicence of pathologic fractures with it. The theory is, they know its remodeling bone, but its not necessarily remodeling bone correctly. It's described in the same way that women experienced femur fractures after having been on a similar medicine for osteoporosis. I'm going to keep watching it from a distance and see what the big lameness guys think over time. The vibe I got was it was falling out of favor a little bit. |
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| casualdust07 - 2016-03-08 4:18 PM
FLITASTIC - 2016-03-08 1:31 PM
Bumping this back up, did any of your vets recommend time off AFTER giving the Osphos? I used it last year one time and was told it may not take effect right away but wouldnt hurt to use the horse in the mean time. Thanks! I am exploring options and am on the fence on if I am going to use it again. I know the side effects and am currently in research mode weighing costs and benefits of its use.
Yes, I was told to give them time off.
I was considering using Osphos for one but after going to the national convention and listening to what clinicians are saying about it, it sounds kind of scary. Most definitely don't put Tilden or Osphos in joints. And they are finding now there is an increased indicence of pathologic fractures with it. The theory is, they know its remodeling bone, but its not necessarily remodeling bone correctly. It's described in the same way that women experienced femur fractures after having been on a similar medicine for osteoporosis. I'm going to keep watching it from a distance and see what the big lameness guys think over time. The vibe I got was it was falling out of favor a little bit.
Well thats scary! Mine is doing great on it, but has only had one injection in Oct. Long term doesnt sound favorable. |
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| I did the Tildren- and am 90 days out. Made significant changes to the navicular bone and the coffin bone. I do not know how it changes his soundness due to joint infection. I think he is going to be sound but our last X-ray shows a large abscess in his toe area. So waiting on it to decide what it is doing. It will take a while due to the large amounts of antibiotics he was on.
They did recommend 60 of pasture rest and 30 days of light work before competing. This allows the bone to reform without extra things going on
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| Had an extensive conversation with my vet tonight about the concerns listed above. If used at the correct dose, age, and purpose it will not have the side effects. From what she was telling me some Thorobred race horse breeders are giving it to YEARLINGS monthly before the big sales. Crazy off label use. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-03-08 10:55 PM
Had an extensive conversation with my vet tonight about the concerns listed above. If used at the correct dose, age, and purpose it will not have the side effects. From what she was telling me some Thorobred race horse breeders are giving it to YEARLINGS monthly before the big sales. Crazy off label use.
Oh man how irresponsible... and they wonder why they dont hold up 
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| kboltwkreations - 2016-03-09 5:43 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-03-08 10:55 PM
Had an extensive conversation with my vet tonight about the concerns listed above. If used at the correct dose, age, and purpose it will not have the side effects. From what she was telling me some Thorobred race horse breeders are giving it to YEARLINGS monthly before the big sales. Crazy off label use.
Oh man how irresponsible... and they wonder why they dont hold up
Thanks for posting!
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Location: NE Texas | This article is a very important read and will help to explain the dangers of using Osphos. There is a reason this drug is no longer used in human medicine, even in small doses, as the side effects even after one application are very serious and do affect the patient long term. Please do your research and don't count on your vet to do it for you. It's not their fault, but many vets are reliant on the drug companies to educate them on these drugs and the drug companies certainly aren't going to share this information. Unfortunately many pharmaceutical companies are counting on the fact that we, and our veterinarians, aren't going to look more deeply at drugs like this and what the potential side effects are. https://www.grayson-jockeyclub.org/resources/bones.pdf |
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| My horse was just diagnosed with navicular and received Osphos. I am looking at additional supplements. I noticed some have recommended Cur-OST, has anyone tried Equibone? Any updates on how your horses responded to Osphos would be appreciated. Any products you recommend that work to increase circulation? Thank you!
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It is a very long story why we didn't use it.
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| SillyFilly55 - 2017-05-04 12:13 PM
Has anyone had their horse relapse after using Osphos?
Its not a "relapse" as it doesn't cure anything really. Its like supplementation. After the effects are gone you will need to re-inject. |
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| Just adding to this on my own story.
Almost 10 yr old mare with fussing hocks that are considered "fused" but with a grade 1 Lameness on right hock.
Gave it 5cc 1 shot per day over 3 days per vet. Has had no side effects when the vet did this so they asked me to do it this way.
I have the 5cc in the neck altering sides every day.
5/5/17 was the last dose. Today is 5/9/17
I will try to update in a week. I will see if it is helping at all yet. It sounds like it won't for 4-6weeks according to this three
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| It is actually still used in human medicine quite regularly. What needs to be understood is the difference between the ones humans use and animals use. The ones like Boniva are nitrogenous bisphosphosnates and are 10,000x stronger than non-nitrogenous like clodronate. Those are the ones that have issues with fractures not Tildren or Osphos. Clodronate is used regularly for osteosarcoma and bone pain in humans. |
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