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Location: Alabama | One of my students sent me a pony (large like barely a pony height pony)
When they first got this pony he would FLY but a year later he's got where he just won't run... They wanted me to ride him for a week and see what I could do for it... He was dropped off Sunday and I've noticed he doesn't want to eat... So in thinking maybe he had ulcers... I called and asked and they confinement that he doesn't eat all his feed at home as well... Could ulcers be causing him to bit what to run as well? |
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| Yes it could. When they have ulcers, their stomach burns from the acid. What are you feeding? A easy way to test is give aloe Vera juice about 30 minutes before you feed. It a ounce twice a day for a 1000lb horse. |
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| Give him 60 ccs of Maalox two times a day. It will put the fire out so he can eat. Meantime, get Gastrogard on order asap.
During this time, get him eating alfalfa, SmartGI Ultra, and probiotic paste for ten days. Forco is helpful too.
This is my go to, and you can turn now around and eating again in just a few days.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | classicpotatochip - 2015-02-02 11:50 AM Give him 60 ccs of Maalox two times a day. It will put the fire out so he can eat. Meantime, get Gastrogard on order asap. During this time, get him eating alfalfa, SmartGI Ultra, and probiotic paste for ten days. Forco is helpful too. This is my go to, and you can turn now around and eating again in just a few days.
THE GastroPLUS is 25% off this month or if you order through me and my prices I can do free shipping. It has worked wonders for my horses and I have a ton of positive reviews from customers. Works great with FORCO to keep the belly happy. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2015-02-02 4:29 PM classicpotatochip - 2015-02-02 11:50 AM Give him 60 ccs of Maalox two times a day. It will put the fire out so he can eat. Meantime, get Gastrogard on order asap. During this time, get him eating alfalfa, SmartGI Ultra, and probiotic paste for ten days. Forco is helpful too. This is my go to, and you can turn now around and eating again in just a few days. THE GastroPLUS is 25% off this month or if you order through me and my prices I can do free shipping. It has worked wonders for my horses and I have a ton of positive reviews from customers. Works great with FORCO to keep the belly happy.
Thank you, I just made an order. |
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| Is gastrogard a preventive or treatment cure product |
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| strawfly special - 2015-02-02 6:37 PM
Is gastrogard a preventive or treatment cure product
Gastrogard is both.
Ulcergard is both. They are the same formula by the same company. Ulcergard is usually a few dollars cheaper than Gastrogard, you give a full tube like you do Ulcergard.
Difference is Ulcergard needs a prescription, Gastrogard does not. Again, they're the exact same product, just labeled differently. Drug companies trying to make money. |
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| You have to treat for 28 days. So what does it cost to treat a horse with Gastrogard ? |
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| classicpotatochip - 2015-02-02 6:42 PM strawfly special - 2015-02-02 6:37 PM Is gastrogard a preventive or treatment cure product Gastrogard is both. Ulcergard is both. They are the same formula by the same company. Ulcergard is usually a few dollars cheaper than Gastrogard, you give a full tube like you do Ulcergard. Difference is Ulcergard needs a prescription, Gastrogard does not. Again, they're the exact same product, just labeled differently. Drug companies trying to make money.
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| Do they have opmarzole in them as treatment ingredient ? |
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| It will cost you around $ 900.00 unless you can get a great deal on the Gastroguard. I did it 2 years ago with my then 4 year old. I now get the smart pack GI ultra pellets Monthly and ulcer guard paste on a trip. I switched to Purina Ultium feed. So far, so good.
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| Switch to a low starch low sugar feed. I feed Pro Force Fuel by Nutrena. Ultium is said to be low in starch and sugar but it's not. Pro Force Fuel is lower. Feed Alfalfa and a good Probiotic such as ProBiostatin which has a 30 day money back guarantee so all you lose is your time if it doesn't work. I add Digestive ULR for ulcers. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | rodeomom3 - 2015-02-02 4:58 PM classicpotatochip - 2015-02-02 6:42 PM strawfly special - 2015-02-02 6:37 PM Is gastrogard a preventive or treatment cure product Gastrogard is both. Ulcergard is both. They are the same formula by the same company. Ulcergard is usually a few dollars cheaper than Gastrogard, you give a full tube like you do Ulcergard. Difference is Ulcergard needs a prescription, Gastrogard does not. Again, they're the exact same product, just labeled differently. Drug companies trying to make money.
How much does it end up costing for the treatment at this rate? |
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| www.valleyvet.com will hook you up. |
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Location: MS | I treated with the compounded Omeprazole oral suspension that i got thorugh my vet from Weatherford Compounding pharmacy. Also, Gastrogard is the RX version and Ulcergard is non RX-both made by Merial (sp?). you can get both from Valley Vet and they were the cheaper there than any other place I saw at the time but Jeffers, etc. carry both also. I treated 2 months with the Omerprazole suspension to treat the ulcers and heal and now I just keep ulcergard on hand for stressful times like shows or long hauls as a preventative. I do have my mare on a daily ulcer/digestive supplement as well. So far (it's been a year) we have been good to go!
And as stated above-Valley Vet will contact your vet for you for the Gastrogard if that is the route you take. Now as far as treatment time, I would not do less than 28 days but work with your vet. I did 60 but my mare was still showing a few ouchy signs after the first 30. After 60- we were good!
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Location: MN | If you go to horseprerace.com you can order generic ulcerguard for CHEAP w/o a prescription with the omeprazole. I started it last week, they come in individual tubes, less than $70 should clear it up and I did my research |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I am working on a product that will a horse owner can mix their own product for ulcers. The items will be provided and the horse owner can mix it for 10 minutes and follow the suggestions to dosing the horse.Omeprazole Research by the horse owner. |
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Location: North Dakota | readytorodeo - 2015-02-03 3:25 AM Switch to a low starch low sugar feed. I feed Pro Force Fuel by Nutrena. Ultium is said to be low in starch and sugar but it's not. Pro Force Fuel is lower. Feed Alfalfa and a good Probiotic such as ProBiostatin which has a 30 day money back guarantee so all you lose is your time if it doesn't work. I add Digestive ULR for ulcers.
The NSC content of Pro Force Fuel is 20%; the starch is max at 13% and the sugar is at max 7%.
Ultium the NSC content is 16; max starch at 10% and sugar at 6%.
Unless your horse is metabolic the sugar and starch levels in Ultium are OK. |
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| readytorodeo - 2015-02-03 3:25 AM
Switch to a low starch low sugar feed. I feed Pro Force Fuel by Nutrena. Ultium is said to be low in starch and sugar but it's not. Pro Force Fuel is lower. Feed Alfalfa and a good Probiotic such as ProBiostatin which has a 30 day money back guarantee so all you lose is your time if it doesn't work. I add Digestive ULR for ulcers.
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| trulyaroyaljem - 2015-02-04 1:28 PM readytorodeo - 2015-02-03 3:25 AM Switch to a low starch low sugar feed. I feed Pro Force Fuel by Nutrena. Ultium is said to be low in starch and sugar but it's not. Pro Force Fuel is lower. Feed Alfalfa and a good Probiotic such as ProBiostatin which has a 30 day money back guarantee so all you lose is your time if it doesn't work. I add Digestive ULR for ulcers. how long would you feed the probiotics for?
I keep them on the Probiotic. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | Has anyone used Abler's Abproazole for horses before? Also known as the blue "pop rocks" If you have any good news about it. Thanks. |
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Location: Arkansas | classicpotatochip - 2015-02-02 12:50 PM
Give him 60 ccs of Maalox two times a day. It will put the fire out so he can eat. Meantime, get Gastrogard on order asap.
During this time, get him eating alfalfa, SmartGI Ultra, and probiotic paste for ten days. Forco is helpful too.
This is my go to, and you can turn now around and eating again in just a few days.
Not to steal the thread but you sparked a question I've been wondering. Do you give Forco with the GI Ultra? I know the GI Ultra already has probiotics in it. Is it safe to feed both together or is it too much? I've got my horse on the GI Ultra and debated adding Forco also. I'm also feeding Blue Bonnet feed that has probiotics in it too. |
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| alexblagg - 2015-02-05 7:36 AM
classicpotatochip - 2015-02-02 12:50 PM
Give him 60 ccs of Maalox two times a day. It will put the fire out so he can eat. Meantime, get Gastrogard on order asap.
During this time, get him eating alfalfa, SmartGI Ultra, and probiotic paste for ten days. Forco is helpful too.
This is my go to, and you can turn now around and eating again in just a few days.
Not to steal the thread but you sparked a question I've been wondering. Do you give Forco with the GI Ultra? I know the GI Ultra already has probiotics in it. Is it safe to feed both together or is it too much? I've got my horse on the GI Ultra and debated adding Forco also. I'm also feeding Blue Bonnet feed that has probiotics in it too.
Forco is a PREbiotic, meaning that it helps feed the good digestive bugs that make up PRObiotics.
And yes, Forco has been a wonderful product and I can see a major difference with my stomach problems horses (2 out of the four I own struggle with stomach issues).
The BEST thing you can do is cut the molasses out and get grain consumption to less than five pounds a day.
Rice bran or Renew Gold have been the best things for my guys. They are simply thriving on Renew Gold, coastal hay, and 6 lbs of alfalfa pellets.
I have a three year old colt that got very sick with ulcers last year. He gave no sign of them until about 10 days before he was nearly dead. I completely redid his feed after I got him out of the hospital. He's still on his slightly modified program from his buddies.
He is a racebred 16.2 hand, long and lanky, hard keeping kid. He gets:
Free choice Bermuda/alfalfa mix cubes, (he's currently snarfing about 30 lbs of them a day, Yay!!!) 1 lb Renew Gold, and 2 lbs of Ultium, with the feed split into two feedings. He's getting 1.5 lbs of feed 2X daily total. With that, he gets Forco, SmartGI Ultra, and immune system supplements. He's looking really good. He does get a lot of turn out, and there's a round bale for him.
Anytime anything at my house loses some appetite, they go straight onto a probiotic paste for 7-10 days. Depending on some variables, they probably get a tube of UlcerGard daily for 10 days as well. I quit playing with ulcers after my kiddo got sick.
I have noticed that I haven't had as many problems after adding the Forco and SmartGI Ultra. Good stuff.
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| Just ordered 2.3 gram tubes from preracehorse to try and cure our mare. Ordered on phone lady told me it was a 4 dose tube. After buying 7 tubes which is what it would take for 28 days. I looked at their site it says 1 dose or 1/2 dose daily WTH. Anyone know what's the deal with it ? |
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Location: midwest mama | I gave my barrel horse compounded omeprazole that I got from a vet and he had a horrible reaction to it. I have to draw out of my barrel racing finals because it was so bad.
I will not feed a compounded omeprazole ever again.
My advice is to be very careful with formulations that are not proven. JMO........... |
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Location: MN | strawfly special - 2015-02-06 2:53 PM
Just ordered 2.3 gram tubes from preracehorse to try and cure our mare. Ordered on phone lady told me it was a 4 dose tube. After buying 7 tubes which is what it would take for 28 days. I looked at their site it says 1 dose or 1/2 dose daily WTH. Anyone know what's the deal with it ?
they sent me individual tubes and I give one of them daily, I'm not at the barn so not sure how much one tube is, if you go to the website look at how many cc's the little tube is and give that once a day |
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Location: Nowhere Special | strawfly special - 2015-02-06 1:53 PM
Just ordered 2.3 gram tubes from preracehorse to try and cure our mare. Ordered on phone lady told me it was a 4 dose tube. After buying 7 tubes which is what it would take for 28 days. I looked at their site it says 1 dose or 1/2 dose daily WTH. Anyone know what's the deal with it ?
I was wondering the same thing.. They all say (generic and not) 4 dose tube but then it says to give half or a full tube daily.. So which is it? That makes a big difference in what its going to cost to treat for 30 days. |
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Location: Nowhere Special | Found this a very interesting read..
http://www.drkerryridgway.com/articles/article-ulcers.php
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| I emailed them, cannot call them, only a sales rep that only knows how to take your order .Emailed me back and said its a 4 dose tube but you need to give at least 1/2 a day but preferably 1 tube a day to get 2.3 grams of omperazole. So you would need 28 tubes at 6.95 ea to treat a horse. I can get it cheaper at my vet. Should have done my homework more before ordering from them. |
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Location: Nowhere Special | strawfly special - 2015-02-08 8:54 AM I emailed them, cannot call them, only a sales rep that only knows how to take your order .Emailed me back and said its a 4 dose tube but you need to give at least 1/2 a day but preferably 1 tube a day to get 2.3 grams of omperazole. So you would need 28 tubes at 6.95 ea to treat a horse. I can get it cheaper at my vet. Should have done my homework more before ordering from them.
That article I just posted said the 1/4 1/2 tube is for maintaining but the full tube is for treatment.. |
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| What are some different signs of ulcers? one of my mares gets horrible "runs" with any slight change or addition to her ofeed. Could this be ulcers? I haven't had her to the vet to check her. |
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Ulcers?