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Location: Here | We have a board buddy that is loosing her horse because of the monensin. Please educate yourself on this nasty toxic additive and demand clean feed for your horse. I found this article that Blue Bonnet is a cleen feed. Seminole has also declared theirs is clean as well. Here is the article from Blue Bonnett
How safe is your horse’s feed?
If the feed is milled at a plant that also manufactures livestock feed containing ionophore, there’s a risk it could possibly be fatal to your horse.
Over the last several months, the equine industry has been hit with the loss of multiple horses from various locations due to ionophore toxicity. Unfortunately, deaths like this occur each year because ionophores have been mistakenly mixed into horse feeds at a manufacturing facility or horses have ingested feed that was intended for another species.
Ionophore antibiotics are added to feed to improve weight gain and control protozoan and bacteria infections in ruminants, swine and poultry. Ionophores function by increasing membrane permeability, allowing better transfer of molecules into and out of cells within the body. Several ionophores are approved for use in the United States with the most common being monensin, salinomycin, lasalocid, laidlomycin and narasin.
Horses are much more sensitive to ionophore poisoning than other species. For example, the safety zone for monensin in horses is 2 to 3 mg whereas cattle can tolerate 20 to 34 mg and poultry 90 to 200 mg. When higher-than-acceptable concentrations of ionophore are found in equine feed, a horse could be dead in less than 24 hours after ingestion.
Ionophore toxicity inhibits sodium and potassium ion transport across cell membranes, which can kill cells—especially muscle cells—leading eventually to total system failure and death. Signs of ionophore poisoning include poor appetite, diarrhea, muscle weakness, depression, wobbling, colic, excessive urination, sweating, lying down and sudden death.
Ionophore intoxication damages the kidneys as well as the skeletal and heart muscles. There is no specific treatment for a poisoned horse and those that survive usually have permanent heart damage.
Avoidance is the best method for preventing ionophore toxicity.Do not allow your horse access to feeds for other species, and it is essential to store away any feed containing ionophores from equine feed.
To ensure your horse’s feed is never put at risk of contamination, only purchase products manufactured at an ionophore-free mill, like the Bluebonnet Feeds facility in Ardmore, Oklahoma. There are very few feed manufacturers that choose to be ionophore-free, so do your homework.
Don’t confuse an “ionophore-free” with an “ionophore-safe.” For example, ionophores are not used in any feeds manufactured at the Bluebonnet mill, making it “free” of all ionophores. However, a mill that produces some of its feed with ionophores will use a series of flushes to clean the system and make it “safe” to manufacture horse feeds. But no matter how efficient the flushing procedure is, there is always a risk of cross-contamination. There is also the risk for human error any time that ionophores are stored on a manufacturer’s premises. It’s just too easy for an employee to accidentally add ionophores to a feed intended for horses.
Only a manufacturing system like that of Bluebonnet Feeds mill will guarantee your horse’s feed is ionophore-free.
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Location: Here | Please share if you know of other monensin free mills. I am nervous about Adm's response to the deaths in Florida.
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Location: Here | rodeomom3 - 2015-02-03 7:14 AM Thanks for sharing You are welcome I am just becoming educated on this subject and what I am learning is concerning For example mills that do not have a medicated feed license can still make medicated liquid feed. For what these companies are making on horse feed they need to make horse feed in a horse feed mill only
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Location: Oklahoma | Thanks for posting that. I need to check on Nutrena. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Thanks for posting SG. I have lost one to monensin poisoning and ended up having to put another down because she foundered so badly. She had a foal at her side and we saved the foal. This is a nasty death for a horse. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Here is what I found on the Nutrena Facebook Page
Nutrena Horse Feed ,
Thank you for contacting us, and we understand your concern. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Because feed is shipped around the country by distributors and larger retailers that utilize distribution centers, and thus feed in your area may not simply be coming from the closest mill to you, if you would like to know if feed in your area is from one of our monensin-free facilities or not, please contact us regarding your specific location, and we can advise about the feed being shipping in to your area. All of our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know! |
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | If anybody is feeding Seminole like I am...
Seminole Feed
At Seminole Feed, we are proud to have a plant that is free of all medications and ionophores. While we do manufacture a handful of livestock feeds, these feeds are made with the same ingredients as our horse feeds, so there is never a chance of contamination with an ingredient that will cause a horse harm. The only feed ingredients we house in our plant are those safe for equine consumption. |
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Location: Florida.. | Some good friends of mine with a event farm in alabama have also come across it but luckily the horses other then colic episodes have survived. bloodwork came back out of danger now.
Owners need to take this seroius.. they to didnt think it would happen and was reassurred by the adm company Jason Hartley and the feed store.. They had 32 horses on it prior to the findings and continued after talking to rep at adm....The horses tested positive confirmed by UF and labs but not enough to kill them... thankfully he stopped feeding it and the levels werent high enough in their system..they did have a few colic and sent to UF and they were involved in monitoring the horses that did consume alot and ADM is basically shoveling under the stone.. denying any wrong doing..in all cases.. .The lab tested two lots of ADM Patriot Performance 12-10 and ADM Patriot Junior that he had purchased last week. The lab results show Patriot Performance lot GA36414 contains .094 g/ton of monensin; lot GA35714 has 1.2 g/ton monensin; and Patriot Junior lot GA34514 contains .43 g/ton. Palmer is waiting for results from additional samples.According to lab results, ADM Patriot Performance, ADM Patriot Junior, and ADM Alliance Nutrition 12% have tested positive for monensin. The test results come from three farms in three different states – South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama. The feed was produced at a mill in Cordele, Georgia.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I saw this on FB but didn't see exactly what brand of feed she fed? |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | thanks for posting this, I had no idea and I am going to check with my feed company. |
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Location: Oklahoma | It was Bonanza feed - local OK feed company |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | TwistedK - 2015-02-03 8:04 AM It was Bonanza feed - local OK feed company
OK thank you. Good to know. |
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Location: NE Texas | This is very scary stuff, thank you for the article and helping all of us get educated on this issue! |
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Location: Florida.. | Unfortunately I would question them .. ADM.. the way things were handled and still selling the feed with those LOT numbers and basically telling everyone that calls its ok..safe yet some horses have died and others have coliced and ended up in UF. Id never trust the company again.. to late.Lab tests, vets, feed tested etc showed it was contaminated yet Jason Hartley still is denying..I have always been a huge fan of patriot performance and ADM .. but not anymore. they handled this wrong. recall and active intervention would have been correct way..
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Location: Here | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-03 9:19 AM Unfortunately I would question them .. ADM.. the way things were handled and still selling the feed with those LOT numbers and basically telling everyone that calls its ok..safe yet some horses have died and others have coliced and ended up in UF. Id never trust the company again.. to late.Lab tests, vets, feed tested etc showed it was contaminated yet Jason Hartley still is denying..I have always been a huge fan of patriot performance and ADM .. but not anymore. they handled this wrong. recall and active intervention would have been correct way..
I agree NO amount is safe for a Horse NONE
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-02-03 9:19 AM
Unfortunately I would question them .. ADM.. the way things were handled and still selling the feed with those LOT numbers and basically telling everyone that calls its ok..safe yet some horses have died and others have coliced and ended up in UF. Id never trust the company again.. to late.Lab tests, vets, feed tested etc showed it was contaminated yet Jason Hartley still is denying..I have always been a huge fan of patriot performance and ADM .. but not anymore. they handled this wrong. recall and active intervention would have been correct way..
Can your friends with the other farm post there findings ? it just chaps my butt because i feed adm but agree the way they handled it was very wrong. I stopped feeding purina for like issues. Our feed choices were im located are very limited. |
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Location: between here and there | Knowledge is power! Send this information onto every horse owner you know. This CAN be stopped! Thanks for posting the great information, SG!!  |
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| GLP - 2015-02-03 9:08 AM
So Nutrena states they are monensin free but is monensin just one kind of ionophore or is it just the common name?
Monensin is just one kind of ionophore. There are others. Bovatec comes to mind |
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Location: Florida.. | http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/lab-adm-equine-feed-contaminated-in-alabama.aspx
The lab tested two lots of ADM Patriot Performance 12-10 and ADM Patriot Junior that he had purchased last week. The lab results show Patriot Performance lot GA36414 contains .094 g/ton of monensin; lot GA35714 has 1.2 g/ton monensin; and Patriot Junior lot GA34514 contains .43 g/ton. Palmer is waiting for results from additional samples.According to lab results, ADM Patriot Performance, ADM Patriot Junior, and ADM Alliance Nutrition 12% have tested positive for monensin. The test results come from three farms in three different states – South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama. The feed was produced at a mill in Cordele, Georgia.
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GLP - 2015-02-03 9:08 AM
So Nutrena states they are monensin free but is monensin just one kind of ionophore or is it just the common name?
Monensin is just one kind of ionophore. There are others. Bovatec comes to mind
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I never did put on here my experience. I did not want to stir the pot.and had restrained from posting. I did put on Fb pictures of and people's thoughts on the contaminated feed that I had in my bin from the above mentioned lot numbers. I have a pallet with the same lot numbers - actually started with the 40 bags. I had a horse colic after being fed that same lot number too. A mare that had never been sick in the 18 years that I have owned her.
I too am extremely disappointed in the way ADm has handled this. Yes, they did come to my home and take samples. Their explanation of the contamination that was visual was that it was I believe power glo. I went with that. However, now that this other farm not 60 miles from me and with the same lot numbers experienced the same problems, I am done with ADM. I love the feed. I love the fact that I don't have to feed much and that my horses look great on it. I love my sales people and how they have tried to help me. I hate the quality control at ADM and the fact that they believe their sh........... doesn't stink. (Not the local man, just corporate).
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:49 AM Anyone check with Triple Crown Feeds?
I have sent them an email asking - but have received no answer. |
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Location: Kentucky | 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 10:50 AM Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:49 AM Anyone check with Triple Crown Feeds? I have sent them an email asking - but have received no answer.
The mill that is closest to me (Kentucky) is rumensin free, according to a rep from TC. Is that the same thing? |
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Location: Washington | Purina states that they use different mills for there cattle and horse feed. |
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| 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 7:50 AM
Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:49 AM Anyone check with Triple Crown Feeds?
I have sent them an email asking - but have received no answer.
I dont think triple crown makes livestock feed ? Just equine correct? |
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3canstorun - 2015-02-03 10:50 AM Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:49 AM Anyone check with Triple Crown Feeds? I have sent them an email asking - but have received no answer.
Rumensin is the 'brand name'. The active ingredient is monensin |
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Location: Kentucky | bennie1 - 2015-02-03 11:09 AM Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:02 AM 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 10:50 AM Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:49 AM Anyone check with Triple Crown Feeds? I have sent them an email asking - but have received no answer. Rumensin is the 'brand name'. The active ingredient is monensin
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-03 11:05 AM 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 7:50 AM Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:49 AM Anyone check with Triple Crown Feeds? I have sent them an email asking - but have received no answer. I dont think triple crown makes livestock feed ? Just equine correct?
Yes, they do - it is a livestock feed, which is on their web page. However, I do not know if it is made in the same facilities as horse feeds. |
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Location: Florida.. | Murphy - 2015-02-03 11:02 AM 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 10:50 AM Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:49 AM Anyone check with Triple Crown Feeds? I have sent them an email asking - but have received no answer.
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Location: In my own world | I feed Strategy Healthy Edge (gasp!). I live in central MO and am happy to report that my feed comes the St. Joe plant and it is an ion free facility |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | I just spoke to Kent Feeds - I feed Sentinel LS - he said is chemical free!! Thanks so much for sharing this info!
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Location: Beggs, OK | SG. - 2015-02-03 6:48 AM Please share if you know of other monensin free mills. I am nervous about Adm's response to the deaths in Florida.
That's exactly right...ADM's response is excluding the possibility of trace amounts being found in their feed. There are manufacturer's claiming that trace amounts of Monensin is not toxic to horses. This is blatantly untrue and misleading. Trace amounts are not toxic to "most" horses....Who on here wants to play Russian Roulette with their horses health or lives for that mattter?
Theoretically any horse that has been exposed to Monensin should never be ridden again, much less return to competition due to the possibility of heart failure. |
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Location: North Dakota | Longneck - 2015-02-03 10:00 AM
Anyone know about Renew Gold?
That was my question to. .. |
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Location: Florida.. | GLP - 2015-02-03 10:08 AM So Nutrena states they are monensin free but is monensin just one kind of ionophore or is it just the common name? Nutrena states on first page that the "" Majority ""is free of it.. you can contact them to find out if the facility yours is processed at is.. or isnt..so id do that..
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-03 11:02 AM SG. - 2015-02-03 6:48 AM Please share if you know of other monensin free mills. I am nervous about Adm's response to the deaths in Florida. That's exactly right...ADM's response is excluding the possibility of trace amounts being found in their feed. There are manufacturer's claiming that trace amounts of Monensin is not toxic to horses. This is blatantly untrue and misleading. Trace amounts are not toxic to "most" horses....Who on here wants to play Russian Roulette with their horses health or lives for that mattter?
Theoretically any horse that has been exposed to Monensin should never be ridden again, much less return to competition due to the possibility of heart failure.
Thank you Rachel Their blantant disregard in this is just not right  
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Location: Here | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-03 12:04 PM GLP - 2015-02-03 10:08 AM So Nutrena states they are monensin free but is monensin just one kind of ionophore or is it just the common name? Nutrena states on first page that the "" Majority ""is free of it.. you can contact them to find out if the facility yours is processed at is.. or isnt..so id do that..
The problem with majority is your big chains buying it and redistributing |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | SG. - 2015-02-03 1:26 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-03 11:02 AM SG. - 2015-02-03 6:48 AM Please share if you know of other monensin free mills. I am nervous about Adm's response to the deaths in Florida. That's exactly right...ADM's response is excluding the possibility of trace amounts being found in their feed. There are manufacturer's claiming that trace amounts of Monensin is not toxic to horses. This is blatantly untrue and misleading. Trace amounts are not toxic to "most" horses....Who on here wants to play Russian Roulette with their horses health or lives for that mattter?
Theoretically any horse that has been exposed to Monensin should never be ridden again, much less return to competition due to the possibility of heart failure.
NONE is the only tolerable answer
That is why I told them to come and pick up a whole pallet of the feed this morning and had my husband go and get straight oats. We will feed that along with perinneal peanut hay and free choice minerals from now one.
I am tired of all the "well, you just read it on the internet" bull crap. Why yes, I did and you also came to my house and still no answers. So, this consumer made a decision not to feed the product.
I know some will still feed it, but I hope they don't. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-03 9:19 AM Unfortunately I would question them .. ADM.. the way things were handled and still selling the feed with those LOT numbers and basically telling everyone that calls its ok..safe yet some horses have died and others have coliced and ended up in UF. Id never trust the company again.. to late.Lab tests, vets, feed tested etc showed it was contaminated yet Jason Hartley still is denying..I have always been a huge fan of patriot performance and ADM .. but not anymore. they handled this wrong. recall and active intervention would have been correct way..
I agree..ADM will never get anymore of my business. They tried to make the people warning about this that their claims were unfounded etc.
Prayers for all of the horses and their owners that were affected by this.
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Location: Here | 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 12:35 PM SG. - 2015-02-03 1:26 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-03 11:02 AM SG. - 2015-02-03 6:48 AM Please share if you know of other monensin free mills. I am nervous about Adm's response to the deaths in Florida. That's exactly right...ADM's response is excluding the possibility of trace amounts being found in their feed. There are manufacturer's claiming that trace amounts of Monensin is not toxic to horses. This is blatantly untrue and misleading. Trace amounts are not toxic to "most" horses....Who on here wants to play Russian Roulette with their horses health or lives for that mattter?
Theoretically any horse that has been exposed to Monensin should never be ridden again, much less return to competition due to the possibility of heart failure.
NONE is the only tolerable answer
I am tired of all the "well, you just read it on the internet" bull crap. Why yes, I did and you also came to my house and still no answers. So, this consumer made a decision not to feed the product.
I know some will still feed it, but I hope they don't.
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Location: Oklahoma | It's scary wondering. I've contacted Nutrena to find out where the feed store I purchase from gets their feed. I feed both Nutrena Pro Force Fuel and Safe Choice original. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I just got a reply from Nutrena. " all feed in Oklahmona is from feed mills that are monensin free." |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | SG. - 2015-02-03 12:32 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 12:35 PM SG. - 2015-02-03 1:26 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-03 11:02 AM SG. - 2015-02-03 6:48 AM Please share if you know of other monensin free mills. I am nervous about Adm's response to the deaths in Florida. That's exactly right...ADM's response is excluding the possibility of trace amounts being found in their feed. There are manufacturer's claiming that trace amounts of Monensin is not toxic to horses. This is blatantly untrue and misleading. Trace amounts are not toxic to "most" horses....Who on here wants to play Russian Roulette with their horses health or lives for that mattter?
Theoretically any horse that has been exposed to Monensin should never be ridden again, much less return to competition due to the possibility of heart failure.
NONE is the only tolerable answer
I am tired of all the "well, you just read it on the internet" bull crap. Why yes, I did and you also came to my house and still no answers. So, this consumer made a decision not to feed the product.
I know some will still feed it, but I hope they don't.
I don't see how it can be? My local feed mill makes every kind of feed there is. They run oats through the same equipment. So those that are running to buy plain oats, I don't think are any safer. If you can get them straight from the farmer, that would be the way to go. |
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Location: Here | TwistedK - 2015-02-03 1:36 PM I just got a reply from Nutrena. " all feed in Oklahmona is from feed mills that are monensin free."
Sold in OKlahoma or manufactured in Oklahoma
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Location: Here | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-02-03 1:37 PM SG. - 2015-02-03 12:32 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 12:35 PM SG. - 2015-02-03 1:26 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-03 11:02 AM SG. - 2015-02-03 6:48 AM Please share if you know of other monensin free mills. I am nervous about Adm's response to the deaths in Florida. That's exactly right...ADM's response is excluding the possibility of trace amounts being found in their feed. There are manufacturer's claiming that trace amounts of Monensin is not toxic to horses. This is blatantly untrue and misleading. Trace amounts are not toxic to "most" horses....Who on here wants to play Russian Roulette with their horses health or lives for that mattter?
Theoretically any horse that has been exposed to Monensin should never be ridden again, much less return to competition due to the possibility of heart failure.
NONE is the only tolerable answer
I am tired of all the "well, you just read it on the internet" bull crap. Why yes, I did and you also came to my house and still no answers. So, this consumer made a decision not to feed the product.
I know some will still feed it, but I hope they don't.
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Location: Oklahoma | SG. - 2015-02-03 1:38 PM
TwistedK - 2015-02-03 1:36 PM I just got a reply from Nutrena. " all feed in Oklahmona is from feed mills that are monensin free."
Sold in OKlahoma or manufactured in Oklahoma
What about what tractor supply brings in for example
When I emailed them originally I told the the feed store I purchased my feed from and asked if he received his feed from monensin free mills. That is a good question. I will ask them |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | SG. - 2015-02-03 2:38 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-02-03 1:37 PM SG. - 2015-02-03 12:32 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 12:35 PM SG. - 2015-02-03 1:26 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-03 11:02 AM SG. - 2015-02-03 6:48 AM Please share if you know of other monensin free mills. I am nervous about Adm's response to the deaths in Florida. That's exactly right...ADM's response is excluding the possibility of trace amounts being found in their feed. There are manufacturer's claiming that trace amounts of Monensin is not toxic to horses. This is blatantly untrue and misleading. Trace amounts are not toxic to "most" horses....Who on here wants to play Russian Roulette with their horses health or lives for that mattter?
Theoretically any horse that has been exposed to Monensin should never be ridden again, much less return to competition due to the possibility of heart failure. NONE is the only tolerable answer
I am tired of all the "well, you just read it on the internet" bull crap. Why yes, I did and you also came to my house and still no answers. So, this consumer made a decision not to feed the product.
I know some will still feed it, but I hope they don't.
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Location: East Texas | I am curious about triple crown! I recently had this experience: 27 year old gelding been on triple crown for about a month and a half. Gaining weight looked great and still being ridden, not your average 27 year old horse. Opened a New bag and fed two feeding and my horse began to act like he was mildly colicing. Stool became loose, then normal. He refused to eat. Gave banamine and it helped the first day. This was Saturday afternoon. Kept on banamine, probiotics, ulcer meds etc till Tuesday when we finally went to lone star park. His gums were almost purple and he was extremely dehydrated! He stayed until Saturday, still wouldn't eat but was drinking. I brought him home and he still refused to eat. Sunday and Monday I thought it was the end, but refused to give up. I wet feed and fed him through a syringe just trying to get something in him. During the whole time he has water poop! Became dehydrated again and Tuesday my last option was to get fluids going. I ran 9 bags in him and noticed a turn around. He began eating some. Of course he has lost all muscle and is very thin! During this he began urinating excessively, which in caused the second dehydration. This all started in January 10 and with no answers from the vet After spending $1000 I began treating him myself with no other options left and he is still alive. I started him in tribrisson and b12 which got him to eat a little. He never ran a temp, but began labored breathing before antibiotics were started. He still isn't 100%, but he does it, just not as fast. He lost so much weight and muscle it's unreal but he is still here and fighting! I have always thought it could have been the feed but will be having it tested now!!
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Location: Beggs, OK | In the case of trace amounts it's due to residue in the mixer or a mixing issue itself. That means that any feed whether it's pellets or not would be possibly contaminated if proper procedures are not followed.
Knowing that processes and procedures are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to follow them....I would prefer to remove the risk completely. Medicated cattle feed should not be produced in a facility that produces horse feed. |
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Location: Oklahoma | SG- I just asked Nutrena about selling/manufacturing. Here is their response.
"Feed in both independent retailers in OK, as well as feed found in TSC stores in OK, come from our plant in OKC - so it good to go |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | What the whole contamination thing boils down to this - laziness on the part of the workers who are mixing the feed. The other problem is big corporations and they dont give a sh............. Most people don't have the time and money to fight them.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-03 12:04 PM GLP - 2015-02-03 10:08 AM So Nutrena states they are monensin free but is monensin just one kind of ionophore or is it just the common name? Nutrena states on first page that the "" Majority ""is free of it.. you can contact them to find out if the facility yours is processed at is.. or isnt..so id do that..
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TwistedK - 2015-02-03 1:43 PM SG- I just asked Nutrena about selling/manufacturing. Here is their response. "Feed in both independent retailers in OK, as well as feed found in TSC stores in OK, come from our plant in OKC - so it good to go
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Run n on faith - 2015-02-03 1:41 PM I am curious about triple crown! I recently had this experience: 27 year old gelding been on triple crown for about a month and a half. Gaining weight looked great and still being ridden, not your average 27 year old horse. Opened a New bag and fed two feeding and my horse began to act like he was mildly colicing. Stool became loose, then normal. He refused to eat. Gave banamine and it helped the first day. This was Saturday afternoon. Kept on banamine, probiotics, ulcer meds etc till Tuesday when we finally went to lone star park. His gums were almost purple and he was extremely dehydrated! He stayed until Saturday, still wouldn't eat but was drinking. I brought him home and he still refused to eat. Sunday and Monday I thought it was the end, but refused to give up. I wet feed and fed him through a syringe just trying to get something in him. During the whole time he has water poop! Became dehydrated again and Tuesday my last option was to get fluids going. I ran 9 bags in him and noticed a turn around. He began eating some. Of course he has lost all muscle and is very thin! During this he began urinating excessively, which in caused the second dehydration. This all started in January 10 and with no answers from the vet After spending $1000 I began treating him myself and he is still alive! I started him in tribrisson and b12 which got him to eat a little. He never ran a temp, but began labored breathing before antibiotics were started. He still isn't 100%, but he does it, just not as fast. He lost so much weight and muscle it's unreal but he is still here and fighting! I have always thought it could have been the feed but will be having it tested now!! Triple Crown has Nutrena mixing a lot of their feed. I was getting a lot of inconsistency since they started this so I quit feeding it.
Don't give them all of your evidence as it will disappear.
This just makes me sick for everyone.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Run n on faith - 2015-02-03 1:41 PM I am curious about triple crown! I recently had this experience: 27 year old gelding been on triple crown for about a month and a half. Gaining weight looked great and still being ridden, not your average 27 year old horse. Opened a New bag and fed two feeding and my horse began to act like he was mildly colicing. Stool became loose, then normal. He refused to eat. Gave banamine and it helped the first day. This was Saturday afternoon. Kept on banamine, probiotics, ulcer meds etc till Tuesday when we finally went to lone star park. His gums were almost purple and he was extremely dehydrated! He stayed until Saturday, still wouldn't eat but was drinking. I brought him home and he still refused to eat. Sunday and Monday I thought it was the end, but refused to give up. I wet feed and fed him through a syringe just trying to get something in him. During the whole time he has water poop! Became dehydrated again and Tuesday my last option was to get fluids going. I ran 9 bags in him and noticed a turn around. He began eating some. Of course he has lost all muscle and is very thin! During this he began urinating excessively, which in caused the second dehydration. This all started in January 10 and with no answers from the vet After spending $1000 I began treating him myself with no other options left and he is still alive. I started him in tribrisson and b12 which got him to eat a little. He never ran a temp, but began labored breathing before antibiotics were started. He still isn't 100%, but he does it, just not as fast. He lost so much weight and muscle it's unreal but he is still here and fighting! I have always thought it could have been the feed but will be having it tested now!!
Those symptoms sounds very suspicious. I would definitely have some blood drawn and check his cardiac troponin. Its an enzyme that will elevate when the heart has been damaged, but it's very short lived and will go back down.
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Location: East Texas | Oh Forgot to add. They did a blood panel. It was strange because he had extremely low White blood cell count and his red blood cell count was very high. I will try and post a picture of the blood work results CRUD some of the picture is cut off, I will try and get a better one tonight
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Location: Texas | Well, so much for me continuing to feed pellets. I always rationalize that it is simpler for me to feed. But the mill that makes it, also makes cattle feed - so no more.
I called the local mill where I always bought my bulk oats to see if they make any medicated feed, and they don't. So I'm going to transition all of mine back to oats.
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-03 1:42 PM In the case of trace amounts it's due to residue in the mixer or a mixing issue itself. That means that any feed whether it's pellets or not would be possibly contaminated if proper procedures are not followed.
Knowing that processes and procedures are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to follow them....I would prefer to remove the risk completely. Medicated cattle feed should not be produced in a facility that produces horse feed.
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-03 1:50 PM Run n on faith - 2015-02-03 1:41 PM I am curious about triple crown! I recently had this experience: 27 year old gelding been on triple crown for about a month and a half. Gaining weight looked great and still being ridden, not your average 27 year old horse. Opened a New bag and fed two feeding and my horse began to act like he was mildly colicing. Stool became loose, then normal. He refused to eat. Gave banamine and it helped the first day. This was Saturday afternoon. Kept on banamine, probiotics, ulcer meds etc till Tuesday when we finally went to lone star park. His gums were almost purple and he was extremely dehydrated! He stayed until Saturday, still wouldn't eat but was drinking. I brought him home and he still refused to eat. Sunday and Monday I thought it was the end, but refused to give up. I wet feed and fed him through a syringe just trying to get something in him. During the whole time he has water poop! Became dehydrated again and Tuesday my last option was to get fluids going. I ran 9 bags in him and noticed a turn around. He began eating some. Of course he has lost all muscle and is very thin! During this he began urinating excessively, which in caused the second dehydration. This all started in January 10 and with no answers from the vet After spending $1000 I began treating him myself with no other options left and he is still alive. I started him in tribrisson and b12 which got him to eat a little. He never ran a temp, but began labored breathing before antibiotics were started. He still isn't 100%, but he does it, just not as fast. He lost so much weight and muscle it's unreal but he is still here and fighting! I have always thought it could have been the feed but will be having it tested now!! Those symptoms sounds very suspicious. I would definitely have some blood drawn and check his cardiac troponin. Its an enzyme that will elevate when the heart has been damaged, but it's very short lived and will go back down.
Have the feed tested for sure. OADDL only charges $100
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Location: Florida.. | Here is another link news magazine that had andrews story..
http://eventingnation.com/home/32-horses-in-andrew-palmers-barn-exposed-to-monensin/
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I got a lot of whole corn in one of my Triple Crown Senior bags and I called and told they use whole corn for a cleanout between different feeds. |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-03 2:06 PM I got a lot of whole corn in one of my Triple Crown Senior bags and I called and told they use whole corn for a cleanout between different feeds.
Thats scary. I WAS feeding safechoice. had a lot of corn start showing up, one older mare started to not do well so we changed last week to Patriot. she perked right up. Infact all the horses are acting better. And then this news about ADM. 
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Location: East Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-02-03 2:06 PM I got a lot of whole corn in one of my Triple Crown Senior bags and I called and told they use whole corn for a cleanout between different feeds. I was feeding the triple crown senior. I just noticed it being a little dry, but nothing to bad and no corn.
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Location: Kentucky | Nevertooold - 2015-02-03 3:06 PM
I got a lot of whole corn in one of my Triple Crown Senior bags and I called and told they use whole corn for a cleanout between different feeds.
What mill was your TC out of? I've never had problems with my TC... only from the actual feed store because they weren't rotating their supply. |
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Location: Willows, CA | No ionophores are used in the facility where Renew Gold is made. |
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Location: Here | winwillows - 2015-02-03 2:18 PM No ionophores are used in the facility where Renew Gold is made.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-02-03 2:06 PM
I got a lot of whole corn in one of my Triple Crown Senior bags and I called and told they use whole corn for a cleanout between different feeds.
I've been noticing a good bit of whole corn in my tc sr lately. I'm not too happy with all this. Thinking I might just get whole oats again from my FIL. He gets them straight from the field.. sure they are a little dusty but clean otherwise. Feed those along with the Renew Gold and call it a day! |
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Location: Oklahoma | winwillows - 2015-02-03 2:18 PM No ionophores are used in the facility where Renew Gold is made.
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Location: Here | http://www.southernstates.com/articles/eliminating-the-risk-of-ionophore-toxicity-in-horses.aspx
Eliminating the Risk of Ionophore Toxicity in Horses
by Dr. Martin W. Adams, PAS – Equine Nutritionist for Southern States
Ionophores are a class of drugs that can be particularly toxic to horses. The potential toxicity varies depending upon which ionophore is considered. For instance, the ionophore monensin (Rumensin) is about ten times more toxic to a horse than lasalosid (Bovatec). At low levels, some ionophores have been experimentally fed to horses without adverse consequences. However, high levels of any ionophore must be considered a risk to horses, and all needed steps must be taken to ensure that horse feeds remain free of ionophores, or any other drug. Some feed companies may miss the mark in attempting to assure horse safety by banning ionophores from their feed mills that manufacture horse feeds. The reality is that there are other non-ionophore drugs, for example lincomycin, that may be used in feed mills which are extremely toxic to horses. These too must be addressed.
Southern States Horse Feed Quality Control
Southern States has a quality control program designed to assure the correct use of all drugs, including ionophores. Some of these procedures include: - Training of employees in correct drug handling procedures.
- Annual retraining to assure familiarity with correct procedures remains current.
- Weighing of drugs to a hundredth of a pound for inclusion into feeds.
- Daily inventory of all drugs to assure that the correct drugs have been used, at the correct level, and only in the right feeds.
- Daily review and sign off by plant management of all production records involving drugs to ensure that there have been no errors in production efficacy in accordance with federal regulations.
- Laboratory analysis of feeds containing drugs to validate that use was appropriate.
- Drug residue carryover studies are conducted to assure that mill manufacturing systems remain capable of preventing unsafe drug residues.
- Sequencing procedures to assure that horse feeds only follow medication-free feeds through the manufacturing system. Non-medicated batches of feed must be run after a medicated feed is manufactured or the computer will not allow a horse feed to be mixed and produced.
Additionally, Southern States has developed designated drug handling procedures, abbreviated as DDH. DDH specifically targets the need to keep the particularly dangerous drugs well away from horse feeds. Those drugs include all ionophores. DDH includes: - Feed components that include DDH drugs are put in distinctive bags used only for that purpose.
- DDH drugs are stored in dedicated locations to ensure they cannot be accidentally added to horse feeds.
- All manufacturing records are highlighted in red when DDH drugs are involved.
- Extra separation is built into sequencing requirements between making feeds containing DDH drugs and feeds intended for horses.
- Red seals are used to lock out containers containing products with DDH drugs to assure they cannot be commingled with horse feeds.
The preceding information specifies some, but not all, of the extraordinary precautions that Southern States has taken to assure that there is no risk to horses from ionophores and other highly toxic drugs. Any Southern States horse feed product can be fed with the confidence that comes from knowing that the training and manufacturing procedures are in place to ensure that drug residues will not be a problem.
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | SG. - 2015-02-03 2:47 PM
Anyone know about Total Equine
That would be good to know :/ I have a friend that feeds it to all of her boarders. |
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Location: Here | Why Feed Mounds Horse Power?
Mounds Horse Power is made by Purina Mills, in an ionophore free* production plant. Purina Mills tests all of our ingredients and only the best quality ingredients are selected for use in Mounds Horse Power products. Our Horse Power 12 formula has constant nutrition, which means it is balanced from the first scoop to the last. Mounds Horse Power has a proper amino acid balance to build muscle tissue, as well as a combination of energy sources – grains and oils – to help maintain stamina and endurance. Our products are formulated with a proper calcium to phosphorus ratio for optimum bone development and strength, as well as the correct levels of trace minerals to ensure proper electrolyte balance. Mounds Horse Power also contains optimum levels of vitamins for overall health. |
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Location: Here | To further reduce your horse's risk of toxicity, purchase products manufactured at an ionophore-free mill.
Lastly, it's important not to confuse “ionophore-free” with “ionophore-safe.” For example, ionophores are not used in any feeds manufactured at ionophore-free mills, making it “free” of all ionophores. However, a mill that produces some of its feed with ionophores will use a series of flushes to clean the system and make it safe to manufacture horse feeds. But no matter how efficient the flushing procedure is, there is always a risk of cross-contamination.
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Location: Here | Leo - 2015-02-03 2:50 PM SG. - 2015-02-03 2:47 PM Anyone know about Total Equine That would be good to know :/ I have a friend that feeds it to all of her boarders.
I couldn't find any products on their website that had it in it and there was no answer when I called
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Location: Here | ADM Canada only had one facility listed as free
Ontario: Offices and manufacturing facility located in Woodstock. Included are an ionophore and medication-free premix plant, a physically separated feed additive blending plant, a feed mill with dedicated mixer and pellet mill, a small package line, and a one-stop on-site warehouse. The office houses production, marketing and sales, technical and support staff.
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Location: Here | http://www.safefeedsafefood.org/main/certified_facilities.cfm
http://www.safefeedsafefood.org/images/pdf/Feed&Nutrition040911.pdf |
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Location: Paradise , tx | I contacted Nutrena throgh their Facebook account. I received a response from them that all feed mills that produce all their feeds in
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Location: In the Hills of Texas |
That list is way too short for as big as Texas is.
Thanks for posting all of this information. We can get this crap changed if we stand together in numbers. When they see their profits diminishing when we quit feeding this crap they will have to change or go out of business. If we ignore it, the horror stories will continue. |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-03 3:23 PM That list is way too short for as big as Texas is.
Thanks for posting all of this information. We can get this crap changed if we stand together in numbers. When they see their profits diminishing when we quit feeding this crap they will have to change or go out of business. If we ignore it, the horror stories will continue.
Been going on WAY too long!
I was clueless about the levels and the processes.... I am so sorry for those that have lost their horses |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Nevertooold - 2015-02-03 3:23 PM That list is way too short for as big as Texas is.
Thanks for posting all of this information. We can get this crap changed if we stand together in numbers. When they see their profits diminishing when we quit feeding this crap they will have to change or go out of business. If we ignore it, the horror stories will continue.
I buy my feed at Shawnee Feed and it's on the certified list...does that mean their feed is safe? |
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Location: Oklahoma | Sandok - 2015-02-03 3:40 PM
So is ALL Nutrena Horse Feed safe??
According to my conversation with them today, their feed in Oklahoma is all produced in OKC which is safe... That is the take I got on it |
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Location: Paradise , tx | Sandok - 2015-02-03 3:40 PM So is ALL Nutrena Horse Feed safe??
I would assume since the person said all feed produce in Texas. |
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Location: In a happy place | I didn't have time to read all pages so this may be a stupid question but I need to leave to go to town.
I feed whole oats. Am I safe doing this. And at times I have mixed corn or alfalfa pellets with this. Should I not do that?
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Location: Here | sorrel horse ranch - 2015-02-03 3:50 PM I didn't have time to read all pages so this may be a stupid question but I need to leave to go to town.
I feed whole oats. Am I safe doing this. And at times I have mixed corn or alfalfa pellets with this. Should I not do that?
Thank you.
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Location: In Ky following Barrel Races & Walker hounds. | This is horrible. You should be able to buy horse feed, dog food, ect and not have to worry about things like this.... |
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Location: Here | TwistedK - 2015-02-03 3:42 PM Sandok - 2015-02-03 3:40 PM So is ALL Nutrena Horse Feed safe?? According to my conversation with them today, their feed in Oklahoma is all produced in OKC which is safe... That is the take I got on it
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Location: Got Lobsta? | winwillows - 2015-02-03 3:18 PM No ionophores are used in the facility where Renew Gold is made.
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Location: Here | Sandok - 2015-02-03 4:15 PM As someone said, there is a difference between being safe and being free. Correct?
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | TwistedK - 2015-02-03 3:42 PM
Sandok - 2015-02-03 3:40 PM
So is ALL Nutrena Horse Feed safe??
According to my conversation with them today, their feed in Oklahoma is all produced in OKC which is safe... That is the take I got on it
I talked to them today as well, everything in the southeastern part of the nation, comes from a mill in Alabama. It is all ionophore free. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Sandok - 2015-02-03 4:22 PM
Good to know. Now what about the alfalfa cubes and alfalfa pellets.
I'd like to know this too, but my guess is it depends on what company makes them and where they are processed. Most will probably be processed in the same locations as cattle feed....if I had to guess... |
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Location: Here | Sandok - 2015-02-03 4:22 PM Good to know. Now what about the alfalfa cubes and alfalfa pellets.
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| We as horse owners should not have to worry about stuff like this. Same as when they recalled the dog and cat food..I was on pins and needles till I found out the dog food I had was "safe". |
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Location: between here and there | SG - As soon as I can get my FB to come up (seems to be locked and won't let me scroll at all) I will post the info from Total Equine. I have a local sales rep
close by and I contacted him today. In short, he says they aren't manufactured in the same locations and we are safe from cattle meds in the horse feeds. He said I was the first one to contact him. |
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Location: between here and there | SG -Here's the reply from my Total Equine rep in IN.
We do not make horse feed where cattle feed is made with remencin. Our Total Bull feed does not have any inophores.
Thanks for the question. Been waiting for someone to ask!
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Location: Here | wimpyb - 2015-02-03 5:01 PM SG -Here's the reply from my Total Equine rep in IN. We do not make horse feed where cattle feed is made with remencin. Our Total Bull feed does not have any inophores. Thanks for the question. Been waiting for someone to ask!
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Location: OH. IO | AmazingStretch - 2015-02-03 6:28 PM
Anyone know about Tribute feed?
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Location: Texas | I emailed Triple Crown and my response was "your feed is made in a time main free facility" (wasn't sure what that exactly meant). I replied asking about ionophores, and was told it was ionophore free. She did ask where I lived to answer this question. |
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Location: OH. IO | jake16 - 2015-02-03 6:29 PM AmazingStretch - 2015-02-03 6:28 PMAnyone know about Tribute feed? Just sent email..will update when I hear something.
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| Interesting....
As mentioned...Triple Crown pays Nutrena to manufacture their feed...so the only way to really know is to find out what Nutrena does, which it sounds like they are a bit iffy.
I guess the best way to be sure would be to check out what facility your TC was manufactured out of and go from there.
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Location: Jersey Girl | 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 10:50 AM Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:49 AM Anyone check with Triple Crown Feeds? I have sent them an email asking - but have received no answer.
I emailed Southern States - they make Triple Crown and Legends. No answer yet. Southern States does make livestock feed. |
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| scamper - 2015-02-03 4:14 PM
I emailed Triple Crown and my response was "your feed is made in a time main free facility" (wasn't sure what that exactly meant). I replied asking about ionophores, and was told it was ionophore free. She did ask where I lived to answer this question.
I emailed TC as well. I am in California and my senior feed is made in Merced. They do produce medicated feed there but was told that their production practices far exceed any regulatory standards. I have never had a problem so will continue to feed it. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | jake16 - 2015-02-03 5:29 PM
AmazingStretch - 2015-02-03 6:28 PM
Anyone know about Tribute feed?
Just sent email..will update when I hear something.
Here is the response I received from Tribute yesterday:
"Thank you for contacting Tribute Equine Nutrition. We certainly are aware of the several cases of contamination in the news and thus understand your concerns. Please rest assured all Tribute feeds are made in a totally separate facility from where Kalmbach medicated cattle, pig and chicken feed are made, thus there is zero risk of contamination with ionophores like Rumensin or hormonal growth promotants.
In over 50 years of manufacturing animal feeds we have never had such contamination!
Thank you for caring enough to check in with us."
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | fulltiltfilly - 2015-02-03 8:49 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 10:50 AM Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:49 AM Anyone check with Triple Crown Feeds? I have sent them an email asking - but have received no answer.
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Location: Kentucky | 3canstorun - 2015-02-04 9:35 AM
fulltiltfilly - 2015-02-03 8:49 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-03 10:50 AM Murphy - 2015-02-03 10:49 AM Anyone check with Triple Crown Feeds? I have sent them an email asking - but have received no answer.
Also, FYI - Auburn University in Auburn AL does do the testing. It is done at the Thompson Bishop Sparks Sate lab. You can go to their web page, get the forms and send it in. It is $50 for each batch, plus $10 handling fee. They prefer a zip lock gallon bag, with the lot number and type of feed written on the bag.
I received an answer yesterday. I am in KY and the mill that is by me is rumensin free. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | As a matter of precaution it doesn't cost much to have your feed tested on occasion....especially if you have one that is colicing or acting funny. |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 9:27 AM As a matter of precaution it doesn't cost much to have your feed tested on occasion....especially if you have one that is colicing or acting funny.
Thank you I was wondering the same thing I think I will start pulling random samples |
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Location: OH. IO | I just spoke with a representative from Kalmbach feeds she assured me that they just built a new facility where they make their horse feed totally separate. She may come on here and register and explain it all but again she assured me there horse feed is made in a brand new facility where no cattle feed comes in contact with any equine feed. She stated that she had several calls recently and she's happy to know why the calls are coming in. Kalmbach feed is the manufacturer of tribute feeds. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | I posted this the first of this year - someone by the name of Jason Hartley Quality Assurance with ADM Alliance Nutrition responded on the last page. I would encourage you to read through all the posts. This incident happend in SC in Dec. 2014. Ths last account I had was the feed is still on the shelves in that area. The thing I can't help but wonder is how many horses die of this each year. Think of all the people that own 1 horse - it colics or gets sick - no large animal vet nearby - so treatment is attempted - but if the cause was bad feed that may not be something that is even considered unless you have several horses and more than one show signs. Very sad for the owners who have lost hoeses this way.
Here's the earlier thread about bad feed.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=458059&start=41&posts=52
Most recent update I could find on SC case
http://www.islandpacket.com/2015/01/02/3516858/feed-company-hasnt-pulled-food.html
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Location: Beggs, OK | When Monensin is present in trace amounts it might only affect one horse out of a whole herd in a significant way. Depending on their health, sensitivity, and exposure you will have varying symptoms that may not even lead you to think that there's an issue with your feed.
This is a much more serious issue than what people realize. Think about how many colics every year are left unexplained or blamed on the weather.... |
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Location: Florida.. | this is jasons post...I’m Jason Hartley and I am responsible for Quality Assurance at ADM Alliance Nutrition. We take this matter very seriously and are working with authorities to investigate these horses’ deaths. We’re not aware that authorities have made any determination as to what caused the deaths, and based on our investigation to date, we have not found any evidence that our horse feed caused or contributed to these deaths. The single sample of our horse feed tested for our customer at Michigan State University was negative for ionophores (monensin) at the detection limits for the test. We have sent additional samples for testing and will share information as soon as it’s available. If you have questions about your ADM feed, please contact us at AN.EquineHelp@adm.com.Jason Hartley has told one of our bbs that feed is safe YET the exact lot number and feed that is testing ""positive """is being sold.. exact bags.. exact lot number. Royal Palm has doen every step correctly for protocal for this and ADM has not recalled and or removed feed that is testing positive and making horses ill.. I loved ADM, I recommended them to everyone so this is very unsettling.
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Location: Beggs, OK | The thing about the level of exposure that we are talking about is what they call "hot spots". Trace amounts of Monensin find their way into a batch of feed due to poor cleaning/sequencing processes. These trace amounts will accumulate in "hot spots" in the batch/bag and will not show in every sample. Some horses will get more, some will get less. Some horses will have been chronically exposed to it at a low level and won't show symptoms at all.
The fact that they are claiming that a trace amount is NOT toxic to a horse is absurd, negligent, and CRIMINAL. |
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| want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:54 AM
My local feed store just started carrying blue bonnet. I'm so happy! I'm returning the 6 bags of triple crown sr I bought last week. Not worth the risk
WHy would you return the Triple crown? It has an outstanding reputation and never a single case of this sort in its history. Its kind of like saying your not flying any airlines anymore because ____________ airline has had 3 crashes. SOme companies are responsible and take care of business, others don't.
This is how mass hysteria gets started.
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want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:54 AM
My local feed store just started carrying blue bonnet. I'm so happy! I'm returning the 6 bags of triple crown sr I bought last week. Not worth the risk
WHy would you return the Triple crown? It has an outstanding reputation and never a single case of this sort in its history. Its kind of like saying your not flying any airlines anymore because ____________ airline has had 3 crashes. SOme companies are responsible and take care of business, others don't.
This is how mass hysteria gets started.
Because I was not assured by the company that where my tc is being manufactured is ionophore-FREE. Was given a runaround answer. If I have a feed available to me that is guaranteed to be safe.. I'm going that route. My horses.. my choice. |
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Location: Kentucky | want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:51 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-04 11:46 AM
want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:54 AM
My local feed store just started carrying blue bonnet. I'm so happy! I'm returning the 6 bags of triple crown sr I bought last week. Not worth the risk
WHy would you return the Triple crown? It has an outstanding reputation and never a single case of this sort in its history. Its kind of like saying your not flying any airlines anymore because ____________ airline has had 3 crashes. SOme companies are responsible and take care of business, others don't.
This is how mass hysteria gets started.
Because I was not assured by the company that where my tc is being manufactured is ionophore-FREE. Was given a runaround answer. If I have a feed available to me that is guaranteed to be safe.. I'm going that route. My horses.. my choice.
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Location: East Texas | Murphy - 2015-02-04 11:57 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:51 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-04 11:46 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:54 AM My local feed store just started carrying blue bonnet. I'm so happy! I'm returning the 6 bags of triple crown sr I bought last week. Not worth the risk WHy would you return the Triple crown? It has an outstanding reputation and never a single case of this sort in its history. Its kind of like saying your not flying any airlines anymore because ____________ airline has had 3 crashes. SOme companies are responsible and take care of business, others don't. This is how mass hysteria gets started. Because I was not assured by the company that where my tc is being manufactured is ionophore-FREE. Was given a runaround answer. If I have a feed available to me that is guaranteed to be safe.. I'm going that route. My horses.. my choice. Where are you located?
I will be sending off my triple crown for a sample this week, due to the only horse I had on it becoming very sick withinn two feedings. I do not know if it was the feed or not, but the fact he almost died and that was the only thing that changed is enough for me not to want to feed it until i have it tested. |
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Location: Texas | Run n on faith - 2015-02-04 12:01 PM Murphy - 2015-02-04 11:57 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:51 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-04 11:46 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:54 AM My local feed store just started carrying blue bonnet. I'm so happy! I'm returning the 6 bags of triple crown sr I bought last week. Not worth the risk WHy would you return the Triple crown? It has an outstanding reputation and never a single case of this sort in its history. Its kind of like saying your not flying any airlines anymore because ____________ airline has had 3 crashes. SOme companies are responsible and take care of business, others don't. This is how mass hysteria gets started. Because I was not assured by the company that where my tc is being manufactured is ionophore-FREE. Was given a runaround answer. If I have a feed available to me that is guaranteed to be safe.. I'm going that route. My horses.. my choice. Where are you located?
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| Murphy - 2015-02-04 11:57 AM
want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:51 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-04 11:46 AM
want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:54 AM
My local feed store just started carrying blue bonnet. I'm so happy! I'm returning the 6 bags of triple crown sr I bought last week. Not worth the risk
WHy would you return the Triple crown? It has an outstanding reputation and never a single case of this sort in its history. Its kind of like saying your not flying any airlines anymore because ____________ airline has had 3 crashes. SOme companies are responsible and take care of business, others don't.
This is how mass hysteria gets started.
Because I was not assured by the company that where my tc is being manufactured is ionophore-FREE. Was given a runaround answer. If I have a feed available to me that is guaranteed to be safe.. I'm going that route. My horses.. my choice.
Where are you located?
I'm located in NM. I buy mine from two different areas in Texas tho. Just depends on where I'm at at the time I'm picking up feed. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Anyone know anything about Ametza Bermuda Hay Pellets sold in N.Texas?
Also, Will these toxins harm other animals? For example: I feed my rabbits Purina rabbit chow pellets... Are they made in the same mill as the cattle feed? If so, are they contaminted? Will it hurt animals such as meat rabbits to ingest the toxin?
As far as that goes, is this a "safe" toxin to ingest for humans? For example: If we feed our cattle a feed that has the toxins in it and butcher them for our own consumption, could the toxins make us sick as consumers?
If it is considered a toxin, why add it? |
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Location: Mi | jake16 - 2015-02-04 11:05 AM I just spoke with a representative from Kalmbach feeds she assured me that they just built a new facility where they make their horse feed totally separate. She may come on here and register and explain it all but again she assured me there horse feed is made in a brand new facility where no cattle feed comes in contact with any equine feed. She stated that she had several calls recently and she's happy to know why the calls are coming in. Kalmbach feed is the manufacturer of tribute feeds.
You are absolutely right! I'm a dealer for Kalmbach Feeds which manufacturer Tribute Feeds and their new facility is state of the art, and ONLY horse feed is made in it, which allows NO chance of contamination.
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| I'm aware of triple crowns stellar reputation, that's what made me want to start feeding it in the first place.. ADM had a stellar rep as well. ... had... I'm not thrilled with finding whole corn nuggets in my ts sr and the bags have been inconsistent. . One will be very VERY moist and the next overly dry and crumbly. |
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Location: Kentucky | want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 1:19 PM I'm aware of triple crowns stellar reputation, that's what made me want to start feeding it in the first place.. ADM had a stellar rep as well. ... had... I'm not thrilled with finding whole corn nuggets in my ts sr and the bags have been inconsistent. . One will be very VERY moist and the next overly dry and crumbly.
It's so strange that different mills can garner different results.
I am in KY and I've never had a bad bag of TC and I've been feeding for over 5 years. The only time I had a bad bag was when it was dry as can be. I told the TC rep and they called my feed store and instructed them to rotate the bags. Never had a problem since. |
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Location: OH. IO | Ahmac - 2015-02-04 1:17 PM
jake16 - 2015-02-04 11:05 AM I just spoke with a representative from Kalmbach feeds she assured me that they just built a new facility where they make their horse feed totally separate. She may come on here and register and explain it all but again she assured me there horse feed is made in a brand new facility where no cattle feed comes in contact with any equine feed. She stated that she had several calls recently and she's happy to know why the calls are coming in. Kalmbach feed is the manufacturer of tribute feeds. You are absolutely right! I'm a dealer for Kalmbach Feeds which manufacturer Tribute Feeds and their new facility is state of the art, and ONLY horse feed is made in it, which allows NO chance of contamination.
THANK YOU!!!! I LOVE OUR FEED.Im so happy about this. |
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Location: Here | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-04 11:08 AM this is jasons post...I’m Jason Hartley and I am responsible for Quality Assurance at ADM Alliance Nutrition. We take this matter very seriously and are working with authorities to investigate these horses’ deaths. We’re not aware that authorities have made any determination as to what caused the deaths, and based on our investigation to date, we have not found any evidence that our horse feed caused or contributed to these deaths. The single sample of our horse feed tested for our customer at Michigan State University was negative for ionophores (monensin ) at the detection limits for the test. We have sent additional samples for testing and will share information as soon as it’s available. If you have questions about your ADM feed, please contact us at AN.EquineHelp@adm.com. Jason Hartley has told one of our bbs that feed is safe YET the exact lot number and feed that is testing ""positive """is being sold.. exact bags.. exact lot number. Royal Palm has doen every step correctly for protocal for this and ADM has not recalled and or removed feed that is testing positive and making horses ill.. I loved ADM, I recommended them to everyone so this is very unsettling.
negative for ionophores (monensin) at the detection limits for the test
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Location: Here | want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 11:51 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-04 11:46 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:54 AM My local feed store just started carrying blue bonnet. I'm so happy! I'm returning the 6 bags of triple crown sr I bought last week. Not worth the risk WHy would you return the Triple crown? It has an outstanding reputation and never a single case of this sort in its history. Its kind of like saying your not flying any airlines anymore because ____________ airline has had 3 crashes. SOme companies are responsible and take care of business, others don't. This is how mass hysteria gets started. Because I was not assured by the company that where my tc is being manufactured is ionophore-FREE. Was given a runaround answer. If I have a feed available to me that is guaranteed to be safe.. I'm going that route. My horses.. my choice.
I don't blame you I would want a definite answer IT is not mass hysteria It is finally enough and it is time to demand iopophore free mills for our horses |
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| SG. - 2015-02-04 12:37 PM
Bibliafarm - 2015-02-04 11:08 AM this is jasons post...I’m Jason Hartley and I am responsible for Quality Assurance at ADM Alliance Nutrition. We take this matter very seriously and are working with authorities to investigate these horses’ deaths. We’re not aware that authorities have made any determination as to what caused the deaths, and based on our investigation to date, we have not found any evidence that our horse feed caused or contributed to these deaths. The single sample of our horse feed tested for our customer at Michigan State University was negative for ionophores (monensin ) at the detection limits for the test. We have sent additional samples for testing and will share information as soon as it’s available. If you have questions about your ADM feed, please contact us at AN.EquineHelp@adm.com. Jason Hartley has told one of our bbs that feed is safe YET the exact lot number and feed that is testing ""positive """is being sold.. exact bags.. exact lot number. Royal Palm has doen every step correctly for protocal for this and ADM has not recalled and or removed feed that is testing positive and making horses ill.. I loved ADM, I recommended them to everyone so this is very unsettling.negative for ionophores (monensin ) at the detection limits for the test That bothers me! It should be ZERO!
I look at it this way.. I'm deathly. . And I mean deathly allergic to peanuts anything peanut related. One trace and I'm on my way to the ER with an epi pen sticking out of my leg... I look over ingredients like a detective. . I skip anything that say "MAY CONTAIN TRACES OF PEANUTS. or manufactured on equipment that has been used to make products containing peanuts". I can't take the chance so why take the chance on my horses??? |
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Location: Beggs, OK | IRunOnFaith - 2015-02-04 12:17 PM Anyone know anything about Ametza Bermuda Hay Pellets sold in N.Texas?
Also, Will these toxins harm other animals? For example: I feed my rabbits Purina rabbit chow pellets... Are they made in the same mill as the cattle feed? If so, are they contaminted? Will it hurt animals such as meat rabbits to ingest the toxin?
As far as that goes, is this a "safe" toxin to ingest for humans? For example: If we feed our cattle a feed that has the toxins in it and butcher them for our own consumption, could the toxins make us sick as consumers?
If it is considered a toxin, why add it?
Monensin is a very useful medication for cattle and chickens. All animals have a different tolerance for it though. This article explains things fairly well. Never be afraid to educate yourself! Go do some reading....don't just take my word for it.
http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/poisoning-feed-room |
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Location: Beggs, OK | DunIt - 2015-02-04 12:32 PM Does anyone know about Big V feeds out of oklahoma?
Their website shows that they make medicated feeds, but it's possible for them to have a separate facility for horse feed. You should call them and report back! |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2015-02-04 12:17 PM
Anyone know anything about Ametza Bermuda Hay Pellets sold in N.Texas?
Also, Will these toxins harm other animals? For example: I feed my rabbits Purina rabbit chow pellets... Are they made in the same mill as the cattle feed? If so, are they contaminted? Will it hurt animals such as meat rabbits to ingest the toxin?
As far as that goes, is this a "safe" toxin to ingest for humans? For example: If we feed our cattle a feed that has the toxins in it and butcher them for our own consumption, could the toxins make us sick as consumers?
If it is considered a toxin, why add it?
Ionophores are not toxins, they are a form of antibiotic. They're fed to cattle because they change the way the bacteria in the rumen ferment feed and increase feed utilization. You won't find it in the meat. As a matter of fact, unless you have only ever eaten 100% organic beef, you have likely eaten beef that was fed ionophores. It's common practice in feedlots, due to the fact that they help the cattle get more out of the feed. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Run n on faith - 2015-02-04 12:01 PM Murphy - 2015-02-04 11:57 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:51 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-04 11:46 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:54 AM My local feed store just started carrying blue bonnet. I'm so happy! I'm returning the 6 bags of triple crown sr I bought last week. Not worth the risk WHy would you return the Triple crown? It has an outstanding reputation and never a single case of this sort in its history. Its kind of like saying your not flying any airlines anymore because ____________ airline has had 3 crashes. SOme companies are responsible and take care of business, others don't. This is how mass hysteria gets started. Because I was not assured by the company that where my tc is being manufactured is ionophore-FREE. Was given a runaround answer. If I have a feed available to me that is guaranteed to be safe.. I'm going that route. My horses.. my choice. Where are you located?
Your tag on your Triple Crown should have MN on it for Meneola. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:19 PM I'm aware of triple crowns stellar reputation, that's what made me want to start feeding it in the first place.. ADM had a stellar rep as well. ... had... I'm not thrilled with finding whole corn nuggets in my ts sr and the bags have been inconsistent. . One will be very VERY moist and the next overly dry and crumbly.
This is what was happening with the TC SR I was getting. I wasn't happy either and was told a story and it still happened. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I love this thread! Learning a lot. Thank you all so much |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I found this interesting.
http://www.thehorse.com/articles/35147/state-of-florida-fines-contaminated-horse-feed-manufacturer
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push.
Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 2:12 PM
babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push.
Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed.
Exactly right.. all it would take is a new guy or someone not paying enough attention or someone having a bad day and half arse the "cleaning" process. It's the difference between life and death for these horses. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 2:12 PM babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed.
Very sad to say this...But do you really trust the new American worker to do everything to a T? It seems most have a hard enough time getting to work on time.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 2:31 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 2:12 PM babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed. Exactly right.. all it would take is a new guy or someone not paying enough attention or someone having a bad day and half arse the "cleaning" process. It's the difference between life and death for these horses.
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-04 2:45 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 2:12 PM babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed.
While being drug and alcohol free
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | Nevertooold - 2015-02-04 1:45 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 2:12 PM babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed.
Oh I agree! I think it was a way for her to be politically correct for her company. I'm glad that she did admit that the mill did both medicated an nonmedicated.
Also good to see they are being somewhat proactive and switching the mill over to nonmedicated only in the near future. (did say this was already planned before the current news came out) |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I contacted Ametza about the Bermuda Pellets and haven't recieved anything back. Will update if I do.
Checking into the rabbits feed as well for my own personal curiosity just in case.
I had no idea until I saw this thread.
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Location: East Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-02-04 1:52 PM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:19 PM I'm aware of triple crowns stellar reputation, that's what made me want to start feeding it in the first place.. ADM had a stellar rep as well. ... had... I'm not thrilled with finding whole corn nuggets in my ts sr and the bags have been inconsistent. . One will be very VERY moist and the next overly dry and crumbly. This is what was happening with the TC SR I was getting. I wasn't happy either and was told a story and it still happened.
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | So I just switched to ADM patriot about 5 weeks ago, heard nothing but good things about it, now this happens. UGH!!! So what is everyone feeding? This Renew Gold product, how do you feed it, what else do you feed with it besides good hay. Not comfortable about continuing to feed the ADM, I don't have a lot of choices in my area Need suggestions! |
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| CHEETAH - 2015-02-04 5:02 PM
So I just switched to ADM patriot about 5 weeks ago, heard nothing but good things about it, now this happens. UGH!!! So what is everyone feeding? This Renew Gold product, how do you feed it, what else do you feed with it besides good hay. Not comfortable about continuing to feed the ADM, I don't have a lot of choices in my area Need suggestions!
I feed 1 renew Gold with some alfalfa pellets. Switching the other 5 to Blue Bonnet Intensify omega force. Blue bonnet is one of a handful that has separate machinery for equine feed. |
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Location: OH. IO | CHEETAH - 2015-02-04 6:02 PM So I just switched to ADM patriot about 5 weeks ago, heard nothing but good things about it, now this happens. UGH!!! So what is everyone feeding? This Renew Gold product, how do you feed it, what else do you feed with it besides good hay. Not comfortable about continuing to feed the ADM, I don't have a lot of choices in my area Need suggestions!
you should look into tribute feeds. Its made in sandusky ohio,and I cannot say enough good things about it. We feed Kalm Ultra. search their site and read ingrediants. Love the high fat low starch and the horses LOVE IT and look fabulous!! I was shocked last spring when i took the final blanket off our mares for spring. They looked wonderful. |
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 5:20 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-04 5:02 PM So I just switched to ADM patriot about 5 weeks ago, heard nothing but good things about it, now this happens. UGH!!! So what is everyone feeding? This Renew Gold product, how do you feed it, what else do you feed with it besides good hay. Not comfortable about continuing to feed the ADM, I don't have a lot of choices in my area Need suggestions! I feed 1 renew Gold with some alfalfa pellets. Switching the other 5 to Blue Bonnet Intensify omega force. Blue bonnet is one of a handful that has separate machinery for equine feed.
want2chase3, sadly Blue Bonnet is not in my area. : ( Do you add a Vitamin Mineral supplement with the renew gold? Thanks! |
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | jake16 - 2015-02-04 5:25 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-04 6:02 PM So I just switched to ADM patriot about 5 weeks ago, heard nothing but good things about it, now this happens. UGH!!! So what is everyone feeding? This Renew Gold product, how do you feed it, what else do you feed with it besides good hay. Not comfortable about continuing to feed the ADM, I don't have a lot of choices in my area Need suggestions! you should look into tribute feeds. Its made in sandusky ohio,and I cannot say enough good things about it. We feed Kalm Ultra. search their site and read ingrediants. Love the high fat low starch and the horses LOVE IT and look fabulous!! I was shocked last spring when i took the final blanket off our mares for spring. They looked wonderful.
Jake16, I'll look into this feed to see if it's available in my area! Thanks for the suggestion! |
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Location: Texas | Here is what Purina said in reply to my email:
In Texas we have separate manufacturing systems for the Purina horse and cattle feeds. We use physical segregation and advanced systems and processes to guard against cross contamination. |
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Location: Florida.. | Purina is safe.I think fatchance (louise) posted earlier..
here is my reply from Soutern States regarding Triple Crown.
Dear Karen – needless to say your question is one of many recently – SS has issued the following statement (last week):
In light of recent concerns in the horse feed industry regarding contamination of horse feeds, Southern States would like to reassure its customers regarding our feed safety standards. We take extraordinary caution when manufacturing feed to ensure the quality and safety of our feeds for all species. Our safety standards include stringent processes and quality assurance testing on each batch of feed to ensure our feeds are free from contaminants and contain only the ingredients that are safe for the intended species. Specifically in regards to recent concerns in the industry, Southern States has no record of any issue with Monensin in our horse feeds.
Our mills exceed the safety standards required by government regulations. All Southern States feed mills have HACCP (Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point) certification, which is an international program designed to ensure the safety of all food and feed products. We are also certified by the American Feed Industry Association (AFIA) Safe Feed/Safe Food, which defines industry established proper manufacturing practices. AFIA created the program to raise the bar within the industry for feed/food safety practices and awareness. Their program recognizes companies demonstrating their pledge to deliver safe and wholesome feed, while enhancing customer confidence in their products. As a result of our efforts, Southern States mills have been recognized as the AFIA Feed Mill of the Year in 1998, 2007, 2009, 2012 and 2014.
For more information about our quality standards:
• Read our horse feed quality article http://www.southernstates.com/articles/nutrition-guide/feed-quality.aspx
• Take a virtual tour of our feed mill and quality processes via our new YouTube video series http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHIbXzKDGS_iUvB0kl6xyUPcaIMA4zACH
To more specifically answer your question, some of our mills contain ionophores. The cross contamination safety protocols in place at each of our 7 mills are monitored by an on-site quality control supervisor required to follow strict sequencing methods.
Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns – we appreciate your business and continued confidence in our feed products.
Ruth
Ruth Hopke
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Location: OH. IO | CHEETAH - 2015-02-04 7:23 PM
jake16 - 2015-02-04 5:25 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-04 6:02 PM So I just switched to ADM patriot about 5 weeks ago, heard nothing but good things about it, now this happens. UGH!!! So what is everyone feeding? This Renew Gold product, how do you feed it, what else do you feed with it besides good hay. Not comfortable about continuing to feed the ADM, I don't have a lot of choices in my area Need suggestions! you should look into tribute feeds. Its made in sandusky ohio,and I cannot say enough good things about it. We feed Kalm Ultra. search their site and read ingrediants. Love the high fat low starch and the horses LOVE IT and look fabulous!! I was shocked last spring when i took the final blanket off our mares for spring. They looked wonderful.
You are very welcome! I believe you will love it. They have a feed for every horse.we had a hard keeper that really blossemed from our feed.im so happy to hear they have a facility for equine feed only. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Run n on faith - 2015-02-04 3:18 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-04 1:52 PM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:19 PM I'm aware of triple crowns stellar reputation, that's what made me want to start feeding it in the first place.. ADM had a stellar rep as well. ... had... I'm not thrilled with finding whole corn nuggets in my ts sr and the bags have been inconsistent. . One will be very VERY moist and the next overly dry and crumbly. This is what was happening with the TC SR I was getting. I wasn't happy either and was told a story and it still happened.
If you're in East Texas it has to be from the small mill mine was coming from. Let us know. My friends in Illinois have never had an issue with Triple Crown feeds. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Fun2Run - 2015-02-04 6:28 PM Here is what Purina said in reply to my email:
In Texas we have separate manufacturing systems for the Purina horse and cattle feeds. We use physical segregation and advanced systems and processes to guard against cross contamination.
I wonder if they stepped it up after the fiasco years ago at their Gonzalez mill in Texas? |
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Location: Florida.. | I think Id trust triple crown .. they test each batch?
Our safety standards include stringent processes and quality assurance testing on each batch of feed to ensure our feeds are free from contaminants and contain only the ingredients that are safe for the intended species.
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-02-04 6:38 PM
I think Id trust triple crown .. they test each batch?
Our safety standards include stringent processes and quality assurance testing on each batch of feed to ensure our feeds are free from contaminants and contain only the ingredients that are safe for the intended species.
Thank you for posting this.. still leaves a question tho... I'm still switching to Blue bonnet. They can't come out and say their feed is ionophore free.. just basically saying it's "safe" per their safety protocol. |
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Location: Here | IRunOnFaith - 2015-02-04 3:13 PM I contacted Ametza about the Bermuda Pellets and haven't recieved anything back. Will update if I do.
Checking into the rabbits feed as well for my own personal curiosity just in case.
I had no idea until I saw this thread.
Thank you SG. You're saving people's horses, you really are.
Not me... Just wanted to FYI everyone and share a friend's information. We all need to be educated |
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Location: Florida.. | want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:02 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-04 6:38 PM I think Id trust triple crown .. they test each batch?
Our safety standards include stringent processes and quality assurance testing on each batch of feed to ensure our feeds are free from contaminants and contain only the ingredients that are safe for the intended species.
Thank you for posting this.. still leaves a question tho... I'm still switching to Blue bonnet. They can't come out and say their feed is ionophore free.. just basically saying it's "safe" per their safety protocol.
I agree.. I think free of it is best. as much money as they all make youd think they could provide seperate buildings to be sure of this.. not just security procedures to make sure joe washes out bin.. |
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Location: Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-02-04 6:36 PM Fun2Run - 2015-02-04 6:28 PM Here is what Purina said in reply to my email:
In Texas we have separate manufacturing systems for the Purina horse and cattle feeds. We use physical segregation and advanced systems and processes to guard against cross contamination. I wonder if they stepped it up after the fiasco years ago at their Gonzalez mill in Texas?
That's my hope. Who can you trust at all? I still think oats from my local mill is what I'll do. They don't handle any medicated feed. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-02-04 7:07 PM
want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:02 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-04 6:38 PM I think Id trust triple crown .. they test each batch?
Our safety standards include stringent processes and quality assurance testing on each batch of feed to ensure our feeds are free from contaminants and contain only the ingredients that are safe for the intended species.
Thank you for posting this.. still leaves a question tho... I'm still switching to Blue bonnet. They can't come out and say their feed is ionophore free.. just basically saying it's "safe" per their safety protocol.
Agreed. Just had a conversation with a friend about this very topic.. I'm not sure of the % of horse people ... she said 80% don't educate themselves on exactly what their horses feed contains or where it's made UNTIL they have an issue. We put our trust in these companies to provide a good "safe" feed to our horses.. I joked today about ignorance being bliss on feeding... |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I have tried Nutrena and Purian several times. And will never again. Too many problems. When I had enough of that, I researched other companies and I was never "sold" on ADM feeds. I could never get any verified information from any of their reps when I asked.
I LOVED LOVED my Blue Seal feeds when I was in PA. In Georgia I fed Triple Crown and it was ok, though extremely expensive.
Now we are in Missouri and I discovered MFA feeds shortly after arriving in 2013. It has been by far the BEST feed I have ever used. And surprisingly cheap. I've had the discussion on this topic with them when I pick up horse feed. They are either monensin free or at least the mill that makes the horse feed is. And they make the certified list on safe feed/safe food.
I recently found out that Kent feeds has partnered up with Blue Seal. Kent has locations throughout the midwest and if I was looking for a feed again I would be checking them out. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Fun2Run - 2015-02-04 6:28 PM Here is what Purina said in reply to my email:
In Texas we have separate manufacturing systems for the Purina horse and cattle feeds. We use physical segregation and advanced systems and processes to guard against cross contamination.
Is Purina safe only from the TX plant or nationwide? |
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Location: Texas | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-04 10:17 PM Fun2Run - 2015-02-04 6:28 PM Here is what Purina said in reply to my email:
In Texas we have separate manufacturing systems for the Purina horse and cattle feeds. We use physical segregation and advanced systems and processes to guard against cross contamination. Is Purina safe only from the TX plant or nationwide?
I don't know - I only mentioned Texas. |
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| I dug a little further and emailed this time instead of calling tc. I sent the info from my tags asking about the corn and inconsistent bags and also wanted to know about ionophores. I can't cut and paste the reply but she said my feed came from Byhalia MS and the reason why is because the mill in Mineola was shut down. My particular feed comes from either Byhalia, MS OR Arizona .. the mill in Byhalia IS ionophore FREE. What about Arizona? Oh and they are finishing up a transition to a new mill in Seguin, TX that will follow strict safety guidelines. No thanks. I got a little further like this. She never did address the corn or inconsistent batches. |
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| CHEETAH - 2015-02-04 6:21 PM
want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 5:20 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-04 5:02 PM So I just switched to ADM patriot about 5 weeks ago, heard nothing but good things about it, now this happens. UGH!!! So what is everyone feeding? This Renew Gold product, how do you feed it, what else do you feed with it besides good hay. Not comfortable about continuing to feed the ADM, I don't have a lot of choices in my area Need suggestions! I feed 1 renew Gold with some alfalfa pellets. Switching the other 5 to Blue Bonnet Intensify omega force. Blue bonnet is one of a handful that has separate machinery for equine feed.
I only add Forco to it. |
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| I feed Triple Crown. I like it and have never had an issue.
But I will be keeping an eye out on what facilities it is coming from.
At this point I really don't want to switch to anything else. It would either be Nutrena or Purina and they are a lesser quality feed with a higher price for me. I really prefer a high fat feed...not much to choose from unless I get it shipped. The only other thing on the market that interests me is Renew Gold but I priced it out to get it shipped and it was not worth it! |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | missroselee - 2015-02-04 9:38 PM I have tried Nutrena and Purian several times. And will never again. Too many problems. When I had enough of that, I researched other companies and I was never "sold" on ADM feeds. I could never get any verified information from any of their reps when I asked.
I LOVED LOVED my Blue Seal feeds when I was in PA. In Georgia I fed Triple Crown and it was ok, though extremely expensive.
Now we are in Missouri and I discovered MFA feeds shortly after arriving in 2013. It has been by far the BEST feed I have ever used. And surprisingly cheap. I've had the discussion on this topic with them when I pick up horse feed. They are either monensin free or at least the mill that makes the horse feed is. And they make the certified list on safe feed/safe food.
I recently found out that Kent feeds has partnered up with Blue Seal. Kent has locations throughout the midwest and if I was looking for a feed again I would be checking them out.
I feed Blue Seal - the Sentinel LS formula and love it for my old horses. I feed RG to my young 2 year old and 13 year old. I spoke to Kent feeds and they assured me they are safe. I posted it I think on Page 2. |
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| I switched from Nutrena SC to Producers Co-op feed about 6 months ago due to price and ease of buying. I drive right by the feedstore that sells it twice a day while going to my local tsc was 25 mls out of the way.
I emailed them and this was their reply....
Yes we do use ionophore additives in the same facility as we manufacture
horse feeds. We take great care to ensure that there is no
cross-contamination. Within our computerized batching system, we have
safeguards built in that prevent horse feeds from being made right before or
right after. These safeguards are used from the mixer to the bagger or bulk
truck. We also double check the records every day to make sure there was
not a glitch or mistake. If there is ever any doubt, all feed from that
batch is quarantined until we can dig deeper. All medications are
inventoried through a computerized system. Barcodes must be scanned on
drugs being weighed out of inventory to ensure the proper additive is being
used and scanned again going into the mixer to prevent contaminating the
wrong batch.
Thank you for the question and feel free to contact us if you have further
questions.
Robert Barrett, PAS
Nutritionist
Producers Cooperative Association
979-778-6000
I took my barrel horse off all processed feeds and started her on Chaffhay because of ulcers. It has helped her 100%. But can they eat just Alfalfa? I give her a high fat supplement as well for added fat and other nutrients.
Ive been told oats and alfalfa is ok. Would that be enough? I will not feed producers again. This scares me and Im not willing to gamble on my horses health. |
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| magic gunsmoke - 2015-02-05 3:27 AM
I feed Triple Crown. I like it and have never had an issue.
But I will be keeping an eye out on what facilities it is coming from.
At this point I really don't want to switch to anything else. It would either be Nutrena or Purina and they are a lesser quality feed with a higher price for me. I really prefer a high fat feed...not much to choose from unless I get it shipped. The only other thing on the market that interests me is Renew Gold but I priced it out to get it shipped and it was not worth it!
Im In CA and have always had consistent bags of TC and will be continuing with them as well. |
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Location: up to my waist in you know what | I put in a order for a couple bags of ADM Primeglo yesterday to try, then I read this, I will be cancelling that order....Thanks for all the info!
Guess I will be doing more research on what to switch to next, there are so many choices....... |
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| babiemox - 2015-02-04 1:00 PM
I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push.
Wait? We have a Triple Crown feed mill here?!? I'm assuming it's Cargill? I might have to stop in there. Knowing they are milling both doesn't make me too confident in the safety. |
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| cowpooh02 - 2015-02-05 10:00 AM
I put in a order for a couple bags of ADM Primeglo yesterday to try, then I read this, I will be cancelling that order....Thanks for all the info!
Guess I will be doing more research on what to switch to next, there are so many choices.......
I'm at a bit of a crossroads on exactly what I want to do or what I should do as far as feed goes. Realized yesterday I can get blue bonnet here .. it's pricey at $25.90 a sack. I'm feeding 5. I've fed it in the past and really liked it. But it got too hard to get. And back then I was only feeding 3. I think I was only feeding 4lbs a day to each horse and they looked really good. Then I've got one of mine(the very easy keeper) on renew gold I have easy access to that too now. It's $33.25 here. I can get fresh from the field oats from my FIL for very extremely cheap. Only thing is they are a tad dusty but not bad. I had the thought last night if I put my whole barn on renew gold and whole oats I'd probably cut my feed bill down by more than half! The other part of me wants to keep those 4 on a good grain ration that I don't have to think about if they are getting all they need. Such a dilemma lol! They are on decent grass hay and we recently added a block or 2 of alfalfa to that mix. |
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Location: up to my waist in you know what | I will look into the Blue bonnet, I'm sure there is somewhere close to me that carries it or can get it. I have been very intrigued with renew gold and have been wanting to try it also or maybe TC (but it sounds like in TX they have a consistency issue). I currently feed a coop feed that is similar to safechoice but I feel it isn't consistent enough and I end up adding more junk to it when I feel I could feed something with better quality and not near as much of it. My horses don't have the muscle or weight that I would like them to have and because I can't ride every night until time change I have to be careful what I feed my 5 yr old as she will climb the stall walls. lol |
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Location: Florida.. | SKM - 2015-02-05 11:21 AM babiemox - 2015-02-04 1:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. Wait? We have a Triple Crown feed mill here?!? I'm assuming it's Cargill? I might have to stop in there. Knowing they are milling both doesn't make me too confident in the safety.
read my post from triple crown..its both ,, she basically says what the others say ... take precautions but so does adm..and look what happened.. |
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Location: Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-05 10:23 AM
cowpooh02 - 2015-02-05 10:00 AM
I put in a order for a couple bags of ADM Primeglo yesterday to try, then I read this, I will be cancelling that order....Thanks for all the info!
Guess I will be doing more research on what to switch to next, there are so many choices.......
I'm at a bit of a crossroads on exactly what I want to do or what I should do as far as feed goes. Realized yesterday I can get blue bonnet here .. it's pricey at $25.90 a sack. I'm feeding 5. I've fed it in the past and really liked it. But it got too hard to get. And back then I was only feeding 3. I think I was only feeding 4lbs a day to each horse and they looked really good. Then I've got one of mine (the very easy keeper ) on renew gold I have easy access to that too now. It's $33.25 here. I can get fresh from the field oats from my FIL for very extremely cheap. Only thing is they are a tad dusty but not bad. I had the thought last night if I put my whole barn on renew gold and whole oats I'd probably cut my feed bill down by more than half! The other part of me wants to keep those 4 on a good grain ration that I don't have to think about if they are getting all they need. Such a dilemma lol! They are on decent grass hay and we recently added a block or 2 of alfalfa to that mix.
We fed oats and alfalfa and grass hay for years and they all did great. I plan to put an Equilix tub in my horses' pasture and call it good. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Just so that no one is fooled into thinking that trace amounts are not toxic I want to make sure that you understand what you may be reading.
LD50 means this is the Lethal Dose that will kill 50% of the species that will consume this product.
The LD50 for Monensin in Horses is 2-3 mg/kg or 2-3ppm or 2-3 grams/ton depending on how this amount is expressed.
That is a very TINY amount. So when they say things like "Negative at the detection limits for the test" and decide to exclude the results that show that trace amounts of Monensin were present...Make sure you are educated and are able to protect your horses from being part of that other 50% that might not survive exposure. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | GLP - 2015-02-05 3:17 PM So do we also need to check out our mineral product producers? I use gro strong but I am wondering if I need to change my mineral supplement now
I apologize for not having gotten that far. I'm just sharing the information that I've found in the articles and studies that I've read on this subject.
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Location: Where its cold and hot | I'm going to share something that happened on our farm the winter of 2012-2013.
We had a boarder barrel horse that was normally very high energy, always ready to go. Her owner was riding her one day in November and she was refusing to trot. This was a mare that you thought of going fast and would go fast. Tried various treatments from the vet and she never got better and then she started making what we called "the noise". The vets had no idea what it was caused from. It progressed to 3 different pastures on our property, but not all horses in each pasture were affected. If the horses TROTTED they started to have severe distress and make the "noise" (see video link at the end to hear it). At the time we had no idea what it was, neither did University vets and all clinics around us. The horses that we knew were affected were quarantined in 10 ft pens. All had normal temps, blood panels, negative for viruses/bacteria, treated with antibiotics, and several other drugs with no improvement. One morning one of our quarantee's had a lot of blood coming out of her nose, threw her in the trailer and headed to the vet hospital. When I went opened the trailer door she was gone. They told me to go home and grab another quarantined one to bring in for 24 hr observation. That one only made it a mile down the road when he passed yet was fine when in a 12x12 stall. At some point we scoped the affected horses and found they all had varying degrees of laryngeal paralysis, and the severe ones making the "noise" were completely paralyzed on both sides of their larynx.
Long story short, the vets suggested a toxin of some sort was paralyzing the laryngeal flaps to the point that when the horses tried to breath harder it caused them to suffocate. The only common factor between the pastures was the hay, grain, and water. We pulled all rounbales and stopped all grain on the same day. We didn't have any new cases after that day. We had been buying roundbales from the same local guy down the road for over 10 years, but had started a new grain 6-8 months prior. The grain was tested and supposedly negative for ionophores or whatever other toxins they can test for. After understanding further how their testing works I highly suspect the grain.
We lost 7 horses that winter and it will be forever in my mind. I truly feel sorry for anyone else that has to go through ANY type of toxin poisoning in their horses.
Video of the respiratory noise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78iXi7k-69M |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I suspect more horses then we know of have been killed by this blaming it all on the ever present "colic" factor. |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-05 3:12 PM Just so that no one is fooled into thinking that trace amounts are not toxic I want to make sure that you understand what you may be reading.
LD50 means this is the Lethal Dose that will kill 50% of the species that will consume this product.
The LD50 for Monensin in Horses is 2-3 mg/kg or 2-3ppm or 2-3 grams/ton depending on how this amount is expressed.
That is a very TINY amount. So when they say things like "Negative at the detection limits for the test" and decide to exclude the results that show that trace amounts of Monensin were present...Make sure you are educated and are able to protect your horses from being part of that other 50% that might not survive exposure.
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Location: Here | 3canstorun - 2015-02-05 3:51 PM I suspect more horses then we know of have been killed by this blaming it all on the ever present "colic" factor.
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-05 3:28 PM GLP - 2015-02-05 3:17 PM So do we also need to check out our mineral product producers? I use gro strong but I am wondering if I need to change my mineral supplement now I apologize for not having gotten that far. I'm just sharing the information that I've found in the articles and studies that I've read on this subject.
Good Question that needs to be researched though!
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Location: Beggs, OK | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-05 3:12 PM Just so that no one is fooled into thinking that trace amounts are not toxic I want to make sure that you understand what you may be reading.
LD50 means this is the Lethal Dose that will kill 50% of the species that will consume this product.
The LD50 for Monensin in Horses is 2-3 mg/kg or 2-3ppm or 2-3 grams/ton depending on how this amount is expressed.
That is a very TINY amount. So when they say things like "Negative at the detection limits for the test" and decide to exclude the results that show that trace amounts of Monensin were present...Make sure you are educated and are able to protect your horses from being part of that other 50% that might not survive exposure.
My calculations are a bit off. The article I read didn't state that the LD50 is 2-3mg/kg of BODY WEIGHT. This is still a very significant issue. I just got a bit scared when I saw the numbers. I need to process the math and figure up what that would be for a 1000# horse. |
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| Well I decided to go the Blue Bonnet route. Picked some up today. It's just as nice and clean as I remember. I can feel confident feeding now. |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-05 4:27 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-05 3:12 PM Just so that no one is fooled into thinking that trace amounts are not toxic I want to make sure that you understand what you may be reading.
LD50 means this is the Lethal Dose that will kill 50% of the species that will consume this product.
The LD50 for Monensin in Horses is 2-3 mg/kg or 2-3ppm or 2-3 grams/ton depending on how this amount is expressed.
That is a very TINY amount. So when they say things like "Negative at the detection limits for the test" and decide to exclude the results that show that trace amounts of Monensin were present...Make sure you are educated and are able to protect your horses from being part of that other 50% that might not survive exposure. My calculations are a bit off. The article I read didn't state that the LD50 is 2-3mg/kg of BODY WEIGHT. This is still a very significant issue. I just got a bit scared when I saw the numbers. I need to process the math and figure up what that would be for a 1000# horse.
It is almost like they want us to be confused by numbers when Zero is the easiest math
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| The reply I got from Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown:Hello Stacey, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. However, our mill in Sterling, CO that would most likely service your area does have rumensin. Please know that in addition to following the FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, we also utilize HACCP, which is for managing risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not actually required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat), so is an additional set of processes that we utilize to manage all of the areas of risk involved in producing horse feeds, beyond just the monensin, as there are many factors at play in manufacturing safe, quality feeds. Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product. If you have any further questions, please let us know! Thank you! |
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The reply I got from Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown:Hello Stacey, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. However, our mill in Sterling, CO that would most likely service your area does have rumensin. Please know that in addition to following the FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, we also utilize HACCP, which is for managing risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not actually required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat), so is an additional set of processes that we utilize to manage all of the areas of risk involved in producing horse feeds, beyond just the monensin, as there are many factors at play in manufacturing safe, quality feeds. Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product. If you have any further questions, please let us know! Thank you!
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| I have been lurking on this topic, I normally feed Woody's Senior feed but our local store ran out so we bought Hubbard. I had some Woody's left, so was slowly switching over to the Hubbard on my two that get grain. The one mare started stretching before feedings...She only ever does this when she is having tummy trouble. Then a couple days later my other mare acted colicy, she has never acted that way before, thank God the episode was short lived. Then I came on here and found this topic. I stopped the Hubbard right away and started just giving them steamed rolled oats. They are acting normal again, thankfully. I emailed Hubbard and they replied that they do make medicated cattle feeds and to call them so they can further explain it. I didn't call, just emailed back telling them I was switching to rolled oats as a precaution. I don't know why they couldn't have explained in the email  |
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| want2chase3 - 2015-02-06 6:25 AM
SKM - 2015-02-06 7:20 AM
The reply I got from Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown:Hello Stacey, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. However, our mill in Sterling, CO that would most likely service your area does have rumensin. Please know that in addition to following the FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, we also utilize HACCP, which is for managing risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not actually required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat), so is an additional set of processes that we utilize to manage all of the areas of risk involved in producing horse feeds, beyond just the monensin, as there are many factors at play in manufacturing safe, quality feeds. Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product. If you have any further questions, please let us know! Thank you!
Does that put your mind at ease?
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| MrsHound - 2015-02-06 6:35 AM
I have been lurking on this topic, I normally feed Woody's Senior feed but our local store ran out so we bought Hubbard. I had some Woody's left, so was slowly switching over to the Hubbard on my two that get grain. The one mare started stretching before feedings...She only ever does this when she is having tummy trouble. Then a couple days later my other mare acted colicy, she has never acted that way before, thank God the episode was short lived. Then I came on here and found this topic. I stopped the Hubbard right away and started just giving them steamed rolled oats. They are acting normal again, thankfully. I emailed Hubbard and they replied that they do make medicated cattle feeds and to call them so they can further explain it. I didn't call, just emailed back telling them I was switching to rolled oats as a precaution. I don't know why they couldn't have explained in the email
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want2chase3 - 2015-02-06 6:25 AM
SKM - 2015-02-06 7:20 AM
The reply I got from Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown:Hello Stacey, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. However, our mill in Sterling, CO that would most likely service your area does have rumensin. Please know that in addition to following the FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, we also utilize HACCP, which is for managing risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not actually required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat), so is an additional set of processes that we utilize to manage all of the areas of risk involved in producing horse feeds, beyond just the monensin, as there are many factors at play in manufacturing safe, quality feeds. Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product. If you have any further questions, please let us know! Thank you!
Does that put your mind at ease? Yeah...I feel SOOO much better now. Said in my most sarcastic voice.
Lol! The only way to "eliminate " the risk is to not have a RISK at all. |
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Location: Here | http://www.woodysfeed.com/articles.html
Mixin' Molasses right here at Woody's To understand one of the issues that the horse feed industry faces, consumers should know that there are about 30 molasses mixing plants currently supplying molasses for horse feed products. These 30 plants have one important and potentially dangerous thing in common... they also mix molasses used in liquid feeds for feedlot cattle. Many of the beef cattle liquid feeds contain ionophores (like Bovatec and Rumensin). Ionophores are lethal to horses at doses as low as 6 parts per million (ppm). The potential for a disastrous, accidental release of ionophores lurks at each of these 30 plants, which is a quality control issue that Woody's (nor any other horse feed plant) can not tolerate. |
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| SG. - 2015-02-06 8:35 AM http://www.woodysfeed.com/articles.html
Mixin' Molasses right here at Woody's
To understand one of the issues that the horse feed industry faces, consumers should know that there are about 30 molasses mixing plants currently supplying molasses for horse feed products. These 30 plants have one important and potentially dangerous thing in common... they also mix molasses used in liquid feeds for feedlot cattle. Many of the beef cattle liquid feeds contain ionophores (like Bovatec and Rumensin). Ionophores are lethal to horses at doses as low as 6 parts per million (ppm). The potential for a disastrous, accidental release of ionophores lurks at each of these 30 plants, which is a quality control issue that Woody's (nor any other horse feed plant) can not tolerate.
Wouldn't hesitate one bit at feeding Woodys. Have always been happy with their feed. Just wish it was more available in my local store :-( NEVER had a problem with Woody's! |
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| New lurker here too. We had HACCP in a facility where I worked and it was nothing more than a waiver to lower our insurance rates. It is only as good as the practices that are truly followed. With low wages usually brings low quality of work. Someone who makes $7 hour and doesn't own an animal might not care about skipping a step or telling his boss he made an error. And if a white collar high paid guy doesn't go inspect what is actually being done, they don't know. The safest thing is to find a facility that is horse feed only.
Unfortunately there are way more cattle to be fed and that is where the money is vs horse feed. Which again drives the high prices by lack of competition and loss of not being able to make medicated feeds. |
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| Zebra racer - 2015-02-06 9:18 AM
New lurker here too. We had HACCP in a facility where I worked and it was nothing more than a waiver to lower our insurance rates. It is only as good as the practices that are truly followed. With low wages usually brings low quality of work. Someone who makes $7 hour and doesn't own an animal might not care about skipping a step or telling his boss he made an error. And if a white collar high paid guy doesn't go inspect what is actually being done, they don't know. The safest thing is to find a facility that is horse feed only.
Unfortunately there are way more cattle to be fed and that is where the money is vs horse feed. Which again drives the high prices by lack of competition and loss of not being able to make medicated feeds.
THANK YOU!!! This is exactly the point that many are missing. The best protocols in the world can't make up for human errors. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Zebra racer - 2015-02-06 10:18 AM New lurker here too. We had HACCP in a facility where I worked and it was nothing more than a waiver to lower our insurance rates. It is only as good as the practices that are truly followed. With low wages usually brings low quality of work. Someone who makes $7 hour and doesn't own an animal might not care about skipping a step or telling his boss he made an error. And if a white collar high paid guy doesn't go inspect what is actually being done, they don't know. The safest thing is to find a facility that is horse feed only. Unfortunately there are way more cattle to be fed and that is where the money is vs horse feed. Which again drives the high prices by lack of competition and loss of not being able to make medicated feeds.
Exactly.
The fact that they cannot guarantee that there is NO cross contamination when mixing feed in the same facility should be enough to discontinue this process. Horse owners will have to push for new regulations as well as only purchasing horse feeds from IONOPHORE FREE mills. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-06 11:26 AM Zebra racer - 2015-02-06 10:18 AM New lurker here too. We had HACCP in a facility where I worked and it was nothing more than a waiver to lower our insurance rates. It is only as good as the practices that are truly followed. With low wages usually brings low quality of work. Someone who makes $7 hour and doesn't own an animal might not care about skipping a step or telling his boss he made an error. And if a white collar high paid guy doesn't go inspect what is actually being done, they don't know. The safest thing is to find a facility that is horse feed only. Unfortunately there are way more cattle to be fed and that is where the money is vs horse feed. Which again drives the high prices by lack of competition and loss of not being able to make medicated feeds. Exactly.
The fact that they cannot guarantee that there is NO cross contamination when mixing feed in the same facility should be enough to discontinue this process. Horse owners will have to push for new regulations as well as only purchasing horse feeds from IONOPHORE FREE mills.
Until it makes a dent in the mills who use monensin, they will not stop cross-producing.
Horse people - quit buying it. The only way to stop it. And, see if we can get the laws changed.
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| Jazz's Girl - 2015-02-05 9:45 AM I switched from Nutrena SC to Producers Co-op feed about 6 months ago due to price and ease of buying. I drive right by the feedstore that sells it twice a day while going to my local tsc was 25 mls out of the way. I emailed them and this was their reply.... Yes we do use ionophore additives in the same facility as we manufacture horse feeds. We take great care to ensure that there is no cross-contamination. Within our computerized batching system, we have safeguards built in that prevent horse feeds from being made right before or right after. These safeguards are used from the mixer to the bagger or bulk truck. We also double check the records every day to make sure there was not a glitch or mistake. If there is ever any doubt, all feed from that batch is quarantined until we can dig deeper. All medications are inventoried through a computerized system. Barcodes must be scanned on drugs being weighed out of inventory to ensure the proper additive is being used and scanned again going into the mixer to prevent contaminating the wrong batch. Thank you for the question and feel free to contact us if you have further questions. Robert Barrett, PAS Nutritionist Producers Cooperative Association 979-778-6000 I took my barrel horse off all processed feeds and started her on Chaffhay because of ulcers. It has helped her 100%. But can they eat just Alfalfa? I give her a high fat supplement as well for added fat and other nutrients. Ive been told oats and alfalfa is ok. Would that be enough? I will not feed producers again. This scares me and Im not willing to gamble on my horses health.
I would have to ask for more details just for fun. Exactly what are the safeguards? Running a batch thru just to clean the lines is not cleaning the lines. Ask to see the SOP? Or an example of the records they are saying they double check.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous. |
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Location: Washington | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM
I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous.
I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS!
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Location: Oklahoma | I have my Nutrena still, but I am shopping. What would you all recommend |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | fatchance - 2015-02-06 10:59 AM
CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM
I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous.
I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS!
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | fatchance - 2015-02-06 11:59 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous. I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS!
We had at one time 24 trucks hauling feed.
You should be worried because some - not all truck drivers are some lazy people who won't even sweep a trailer out nor make sure the bins are empty. I can't count on my fingers how many claims we did pay out for contaminated feed after being assured by the driver's the floors were clean.
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Location: Washington | 3canstorun - 2015-02-06 9:06 AM fatchance - 2015-02-06 11:59 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous. I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS!
You should be worried because some - not all truck drivers are some lazy people who won't even sweep a trailer out nor make sure the bins are empty. I can't count on my fingers how many claims we did pay out for contaminated feed after being assured by the driver's the floors were clean.
Okay just got off the phone...again with our Purina mill here in Spokane, the manager assures me that Purina does indeed have mills designed and are used only for equine feed. He also said they check the grain haulers logs on what they have hauled in the past in order to decide if they can use that rig. They are ionophere free. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | fatchance - 2015-02-06 12:14 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-06 9:06 AM fatchance - 2015-02-06 11:59 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous. I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS!
You should be worried because some - not all truck drivers are some lazy people who won't even sweep a trailer out nor make sure the bins are empty. I can't count on my fingers how many claims we did pay out for contaminated feed after being assured by the driver's the floors were clean.
Okay just got off the phone...again with our Purina mill here in Spokane, the manager assures me that Purina does indeed have mills designed and are used only for equine feed. He also said they check the grain haulers logs on what they have hauled in the past in order to decide if they can use that rig. They are ionophere free.
I wish that Purina and any other feed company that have separate facilities would list where these plants are (state wise) and the areas of distribution from those plants.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-06 8:20 AM I imagine these feed companies have been flooded with phone calls and emails lately regarding this. That is what we need to do...Put the feed companies feet to the fire. Bottom line...what makes changes is when companies are hit in their pocketbook.
Years ago Purina had a real problem with their cattle feed and Purina did step up to the plate and did a voluntary recall and ended up also buying over 1200 head of cattle. This happened at the Gonzalez mill in Texas. It changed their practices but I still don't understand why they had a prohibited cattle feed substance in the plant to begin with. It was meat and bone meal fom other cattle that is the link to mad cow disease. From my understanding they now have segragated areas where they make their cattle and horse feed in Texas.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | magic gunsmoke - 2015-02-05 5:27 AM I feed Triple Crown. I like it and have never had an issue. But I will be keeping an eye out on what facilities it is coming from. At this point I really don't want to switch to anything else. It would either be Nutrena or Purina and they are a lesser quality feed with a higher price for me. I really prefer a high fat feed...not much to choose from unless I get it shipped. The only other thing on the market that interests me is Renew Gold but I priced it out to get it shipped and it was not worth it!
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sandok - 2015-02-06 11:32 AM So now what about Nutrena?? I am checking in to BlueBonnet but am still feeding the Nutrena.
Call Nutrena and ask if they make medicated cattle feed at the same location of the horse feed. Each mill might be different and the feed tag on your feed will say what plant it came from. It will be abbreviated with a few letters. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 11:37 AM
Sandok - 2015-02-06 11:32 AM So now what about Nutrena?? I am checking in to BlueBonnet but am still feeding the Nutrena.
Call Nutrena and ask if they make medicated cattle feed at the same location of the horse feed. Each mill might be different and the feed tag on your feed will say what plant it came from. It will be abbreviated with a few letters.
I was told all Nutrena sold in OK stores (TSC, etc) is manufactured in a mill in OKC which is safe. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-06 8:20 AM I imagine these feed companies have been flooded with phone calls and emails lately regarding this.
They need to be flooded with calls and e-mails. This is how things get changed. We can talk about it all day long on here but every person needs to be calling their feed manufacturer. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Get active on this. |
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Location: On the Boulevard of Broken Dreams... | TrackinBubba - 2015-02-03 8:50 AM If anybody is feeding Seminole like I am...
Seminole Feed
At Seminole Feed, we are proud to have a plant that is free of all medications and ionophores. While we do manufacture a handful of livestock feeds, these feeds are made with the same ingredients as our horse feeds, so there is never a chance of contamination with an ingredient that will cause a horse harm. The only feed ingredients we house in our plant are those safe for equine consumption.
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Sandok - 2015-02-06 11:32 AM So now what about Nutrena?? I am checking in to BlueBonnet but am still feeding the Nutrena.
Call Nutrena and ask if they make medicated cattle feed at the same location of the horse feed. Each mill might be different and the feed tag on your feed will say what plant it came from. It will be abbreviated with a few letters.
I was told all Nutrena sold in OK stores (TSC, etc ) is manufactured in a mill in OKC which is safe.
Cargill manufacturers Nutrena and Triple Crown. Most plants are ionophore free. BUT the plant in Sterling CO mixes BOTH and does use Rumensin which is monensin. I posted what they told me a few pages back. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-06 1:03 PM I just sent 5 emails to Triple crown from 5 different email addresses. I wrote them all differently as well. It will be interesting to see if I get a canned response to each one!
You will get this one which is the same as the one that SKM got - Hello Nancy,
Thank you for reaching out to us. Your Triple Crown feed is made at the Southern States mill in Valdosta, GA and regarding the recent incidents, Southern States has made the following statement released to the public that I wanted to share with you! http://www.southernstates.com/articles/feed-statement2.aspx
Any other questions, please let us know.
Jessica Drexler, PAS
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From: Nancy Jones [mailto:Nancy@southern-concrete.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:01 AM
To: Triple Crown Answers
Subject: Feed
I am new to Triple Crown feed. Can you please answer a question for me?
Is any of the Triple Crown horse feed that would be distributed in SE Georgia produced in a mill that also uses monesin? Or other cattle additives?
Thanks
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| SKM - 2015-02-06 12:28 PM
TwistedK - 2015-02-06 10:40 AM
Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 11:37 AM
Sandok - 2015-02-06 11:32 AM So now what about Nutrena?? I am checking in to BlueBonnet but am still feeding the Nutrena.
Call Nutrena and ask if they make medicated cattle feed at the same location of the horse feed. Each mill might be different and the feed tag on your feed will say what plant it came from. It will be abbreviated with a few letters.
I was told all Nutrena sold in OK stores (TSC, etc ) is manufactured in a mill in OKC which is safe. Cargill manufacturers Nutrena and Triple Crown. Most plants are ionophore free. BUT the plant in Sterling CO mixes BOTH and does use Rumensin which is monensin. I posted what they told me a few pages back.
That's where it gets dicey for me feeding the tc. Because another company actually manufactures it... we contact triple crown when really should we be talking directly to cargill?? That part got me confused. Lol! I got to thinking early this morning of when I ever had health issues with any of my horses. It hit me that when my older gelding started acting funny suddenly one afternoon. .. it was just a day or 2 after I had been talked into feeding ADM 12% Patriot. He looked "off" went of his feed and became very lethargic and very depressed. We hauled him to the vet .. his blood work showed pretty normal temp was normal and vet said it wasn't colic like symptoms. This was several Several months ago so who knows. They gave him some banamine and we just waited it out. Gave him something for ulcers too. I didn't feed him anymore after that incident, in fact I returned all the feed. Looking back it sure makes me wonder if that's what happened to him... |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-02-06 12:03 PM
I just sent 5 emails to Triple crown from 5 different email addresses. I wrote them all differently as well. It will be interesting to see if I get a canned response to each one!
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Location: Beggs, OK | Here's an article from the recall on Kountry Buffet horse feed from a few years ago...there are hundreds of articles, studies, and reports that show that there is NO safe limit of monensin in horse feed.
http://www.petmd.com/news/alerts-recalls/nws_recall_of_western_feed_distributed_in_nebraska_wyoming-13041 |
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| fatchance - 2015-02-06 10:59 AM
CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM
I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous.
I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS!
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Location: Beggs, OK | I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason:
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-06 2:53 PM I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason:
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
This tells me one thing..They don't give a crap. I'll never buy another product from this company. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-06 12:42 PM SKM - 2015-02-06 12:28 PM TwistedK - 2015-02-06 10:40 AM Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 11:37 AM Sandok - 2015-02-06 11:32 AM So now what about Nutrena?? I am checking in to BlueBonnet but am still feeding the Nutrena. Call Nutrena and ask if they make medicated cattle feed at the same location of the horse feed. Each mill might be different and the feed tag on your feed will say what plant it came from. It will be abbreviated with a few letters. I was told all Nutrena sold in OK stores (TSC, etc ) is manufactured in a mill in OKC which is safe. Cargill manufacturers Nutrena and Triple Crown. Most plants are ionophore free. BUT the plant in Sterling CO mixes BOTH and does use Rumensin which is monensin. I posted what they told me a few pages back. That's where it gets dicey for me feeding the tc. Because another company actually manufactures it... we contact triple crown when really should we be talking directly to cargill?? That part got me confused. Lol! I got to thinking early this morning of when I ever had health issues with any of my horses. It hit me that when my older gelding started acting funny suddenly one afternoon. .. it was just a day or 2 after I had been talked into feeding ADM 12% Patriot. He looked "off" went of his feed and became very lethargic and very depressed. We hauled him to the vet .. his blood work showed pretty normal temp was normal and vet said it wasn't colic like symptoms. This was several Several months ago so who knows. They gave him some banamine and we just waited it out. Gave him something for ulcers too. I didn't feed him anymore after that incident, in fact I returned all the feed. Looking back it sure makes me wonder if that's what happened to him...
Correct me if I'm wrong...There can be hot spots with this stuff in a bag where one horse might be okay and another will show signs of being sick. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sandok - 2015-02-06 3:03 PM Anyone know anything about Lakeland Animal Nutrition? Seems the toxin has been found in their feed also. They were fined and made a settlement with horse owners. I'll try to find the article about it.
Meant to add they are no longer going to manufacture horse feed.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 3:00 PM want2chase3 - 2015-02-06 12:42 PM SKM - 2015-02-06 12:28 PM TwistedK - 2015-02-06 10:40 AM Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 11:37 AM Sandok - 2015-02-06 11:32 AM So now what about Nutrena?? I am checking in to BlueBonnet but am still feeding the Nutrena. Call Nutrena and ask if they make medicated cattle feed at the same location of the horse feed. Each mill might be different and the feed tag on your feed will say what plant it came from. It will be abbreviated with a few letters. I was told all Nutrena sold in OK stores (TSC, etc ) is manufactured in a mill in OKC which is safe. Cargill manufacturers Nutrena and Triple Crown. Most plants are ionophore free. BUT the plant in Sterling CO mixes BOTH and does use Rumensin which is monensin. I posted what they told me a few pages back. That's where it gets dicey for me feeding the tc. Because another company actually manufactures it... we contact triple crown when really should we be talking directly to cargill?? That part got me confused. Lol! I got to thinking early this morning of when I ever had health issues with any of my horses. It hit me that when my older gelding started acting funny suddenly one afternoon. .. it was just a day or 2 after I had been talked into feeding ADM 12% Patriot. He looked "off" went of his feed and became very lethargic and very depressed. We hauled him to the vet .. his blood work showed pretty normal temp was normal and vet said it wasn't colic like symptoms. This was several Several months ago so who knows. They gave him some banamine and we just waited it out. Gave him something for ulcers too. I didn't feed him anymore after that incident, in fact I returned all the feed. Looking back it sure makes me wonder if that's what happened to him...
Yes, I know of a situation where 8 horses were on the same feed.
Six of the horses showed no signs of exposure.
One horse went off feed for a few days, spike a fever, then gradually returned to health.
The last horse got extremely ill and will take months to recover....and is not expected fully recover.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 2:55 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-02-06 2:53 PM I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason:
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
This tells me one thing..They don't give a crap. I'll never buy another product from this company.
Did they send you a link to the published study? Not that I care but I would like to see who did the study. Most likely Pfizer? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | No Jason won't give you their results. He would not give them to me. And, yesterday he said almost the same exact thing to me.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 3:00 PM
want2chase3 - 2015-02-06 12:42 PM SKM - 2015-02-06 12:28 PM TwistedK - 2015-02-06 10:40 AM Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 11:37 AM Sandok - 2015-02-06 11:32 AM So now what about Nutrena?? I am checking in to BlueBonnet but am still feeding the Nutrena. Call Nutrena and ask if they make medicated cattle feed at the same location of the horse feed. Each mill might be different and the feed tag on your feed will say what plant it came from. It will be abbreviated with a few letters. I was told all Nutrena sold in OK stores (TSC, etc ) is manufactured in a mill in OKC which is safe. Cargill manufacturers Nutrena and Triple Crown. Most plants are ionophore free. BUT the plant in Sterling CO mixes BOTH and does use Rumensin which is monensin. I posted what they told me a few pages back. That's where it gets dicey for me feeding the tc. Because another company actually manufactures it... we contact triple crown when really should we be talking directly to cargill?? That part got me confused. Lol! I got to thinking early this morning of when I ever had health issues with any of my horses. It hit me that when my older gelding started acting funny suddenly one afternoon. .. it was just a day or 2 after I had been talked into feeding ADM 12% Patriot. He looked "off" went of his feed and became very lethargic and very depressed. We hauled him to the vet .. his blood work showed pretty normal temp was normal and vet said it wasn't colic like symptoms. This was several Several months ago so who knows. They gave him some banamine and we just waited it out. Gave him something for ulcers too. I didn't feed him anymore after that incident, in fact I returned all the feed. Looking back it sure makes me wonder if that's what happened to him...
Yes I read about "hot spots" too. I had fed it to my other 2 horses and they were ok. But I still decided to not feed it anymore after that happened.. I wasn't aware of ionophores back then either. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Zebra racer - 2015-02-06 3:12 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 2:55 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-06 2:53 PM I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason:
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
This tells me one thing..They don't give a crap. I'll never buy another product from this company. Did they send you a link to the published study? Not that I care but I would like to see who did the study. Most likely Pfizer?
I asked about that and of course he couldn't release it....
I've been reading about this for the better part of a month. They are picking their way through published research and finding something that suits their purposes. I told him to keep paying his researchers and attorneys because people are going to become more educated and stop buying from mills that can't guarantee the safety of their products.
He tried the "we've been producing feed for a very long time" line... I asked him how many random colics he thought might be attributed to those trace amounts of monensin that aren't supposed to be toxic to horses. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-02-06 2:28 PM
Still have not heard back from TC on any of the 5 emails I sent. My guess is they are FLOODED with them. THey used to email back questions in a matter of an hour or two. This is a huge thread here on BHW, I wonder if there are any other threads on other sites for different horse disciplines? If we could get them involved it really would cause a stir.
I've seen a very similar discussion on Chronicle of the horse forum recently. So yes I believe it's getting around a bunch.
I just took a look over at horsegroomingsupplies forum and it's being discussed there too. Although theirs is only 3 pages long.
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Location: Kansas | So I have not fed pellets and am terrified to after a horrible experience with choke. I know it's rare, but I figured I'd just rather go the straight grain route. So for years now, I've been feeding crimped oats, cracked corn, and alfalfa pellets, along with supplements. Have loved feeding it. Both the oats and corn come from an ADM/Tindle mill  The guy I talked to at my coop almost sounded angry that I was asking about all of this and stated, rather matter of factly, that the poisoning did not happen at an ADM mill, that it was an independent mill. I still don't care... I want my grain coming from a completely ionophore free place!!! Since these grains are manufactured in such large quantities, I'm sure they're all going to be run through the same places that make medicated cattle feed. On the slim chance that there is, does anyone know of companies that produce at least crimped oats at an ionophore free mill? |
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| HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-06 3:31 PM
So I have not fed pellets and am terrified to after a horrible experience with choke. I know it's rare, but I figured I'd just rather go the straight grain route. So for years now, I've been feeding crimped oats, cracked corn, and alfalfa pellets, along with supplements. Have loved feeding it. Both the oats and corn come from an ADM/Tindle mill The guy I talked to at my coop almost sounded angry that I was asking about all of this and stated, rather matter of factly, that the poisoning did not happen at an ADM mill, that it was an independent mill. I still don't care... I want my grain coming from a completely ionophore free place!!! Since these grains are manufactured in such large quantities, I'm sure they're all going to be run through the same places that make medicated cattle feed. On the slim chance that there is, does anyone know of companies that produce at least crimped oats at an ionophore free mill?
Typically any grain mix can be contaminated. But grains themselves are likely not contaminated from the truck that brought it in from the farm with the exception of corn which can be toxic all on its own.
They make medicated grain mixes so it is not just pellets. And yes, ADM is so large and doesn't own all its facilities. They book their needs with independent mills. But it does seem like they at least use mills that have the ability to number their bags which is a step in traceability. |
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| HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-06 3:31 PM
So I have not fed pellets and am terrified to after a horrible experience with choke. I know it's rare, but I figured I'd just rather go the straight grain route. So for years now, I've been feeding crimped oats, cracked corn, and alfalfa pellets, along with supplements. Have loved feeding it. Both the oats and corn come from an ADM/Tindle mill The guy I talked to at my coop almost sounded angry that I was asking about all of this and stated, rather matter of factly, that the poisoning did not happen at an ADM mill, that it was an independent mill. I still don't care... I want my grain coming from a completely ionophore free place!!! Since these grains are manufactured in such large quantities, I'm sure they're all going to be run through the same places that make medicated cattle feed. On the slim chance that there is, does anyone know of companies that produce at least crimped oats at an ionophore free mill?
The only one I'm aware of as of right now is Blue Bonnet.. they have whole oats available. Way back when ..tsc use to carry them. They don't anymore. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Thanks Rachell for the info.
Here is a link to the info on Lackland.
http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/feed-manufacturer-settles-with-horse-owners-after-fatal-monensin-poisoning?rel=canonical
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-06 3:31 PM So I have not fed pellets and am terrified to after a horrible experience with choke. I know it's rare, but I figured I'd just rather go the straight grain route. So for years now, I've been feeding crimped oats, cracked corn, and alfalfa pellets, along with supplements. Have loved feeding it. Both the oats and corn come from an ADM/Tindle mill The guy I talked to at my coop almost sounded angry that I was asking about all of this and stated, rather matter of factly, that the poisoning did not happen at an ADM mill, that it was an independent mill. I still don't care... I want my grain coming from a completely ionophore free place!!! Since these grains are manufactured in such large quantities, I'm sure they're all going to be run through the same places that make medicated cattle feed. On the slim chance that there is, does anyone know of companies that produce at least crimped oats at an ionophore free mill?
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Location: So. California | Does anyone have names/contact info/address to testing labs?
I lost my mare in October and the vets never did figure out what was wrong with her. he symptoms are eerily similar... I still have her feed in my garage, I refused to feed it to any of our other horses and I never threw it away.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Anniemae - 2015-02-06 3:55 PM Does anyone have names/contact info/address to testing labs?
I lost my mare in October and the vets never did figure out what was wrong with her. he symptoms are eerily similar... I still have her feed in my garage, I refused to feed it to any of our other horses and I never threw it away.
Send it to the lab at UC Davis. That's where many testing facilities send theirs to be quantified or confirmed anyway. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-06 2:28 PM Still have not heard back from TC on any of the 5 emails I sent. My guess is they are FLOODED with them. THey used to email back questions in a matter of an hour or two. This is a huge thread here on BHW, I wonder if there are any other threads on other sites for different horse disciplines? If we could get them involved it really would cause a stir.
I called Triple Crown as I do feed a small amount that I mix in with his beet pulp at night to make it more platable, one bag lasts me over 6 weeks. Stacey called me back within 2 hours. I've been feeding Renew Gold and it looks like I'll be sticking with it with all the stuff going on as I was thinking about going to go back to Triple Crown as my main grain, the price where I was getting it jumped to $42.00 put TSC will now order it for $29.95.
I had trouble with consistency with the Triple Crown out of the Mineola mill in Texas. Too wet, too dry and then like a brick. I was just told they quit milling out of that mill and moved it to Sequin but until the Sequin mill was up and running they brought in feed from other mills. They have one mill that mixes medicated cattle feed but it is in a separate area. She was very helpful and answered all my questions. Sounds like they are taking this problem very seriously. She looked up the mills that would be sending product to the feed stores I use so I suggest other Triple Crown feeders call and find out also to make sure. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | From now on I will take pictures of the tags of all the feed I feed. Our phones make it so easy to do and will help us keep a record. |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 4:20 PM From now on I will take pictures of the tags of all the feed I feed. Our phones make it so easy to do and will help us keep a record.
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-06 2:53 PM I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason:
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | What an education this thread is. Thank you Rachellyn80 for the great information. My daughter works for a vet who is huge in the Arabian horse world. He told her that horse feed scares the hell out of him. Someone here made the comparison about the feed to peanut allergies. I think that has a lot of merit. We now know about hot spots in feed and how it happens. We have become educated consumers. What we each do with this information is up to us. I only hope this information reaches so many more horse owners than are on this site. As horribly sad as it has been to read about the suffering of innocent owners and their horses this has been by far one of the best threads in a very long time. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Zebra racer - 2015-02-06 2:01 PM fatchance - 2015-02-06 10:59 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous. I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS! And this is sad for us as we as citizens want less government and we want to support our farmers. It is a double edged sword.
I'm lucky. One of my brothers raises a small amount of oats for his own personal use. He will now be supplying his favorite sister with her oats so I dont have to worry about the bulk I normally buy from the local feed store that I was told yesterday does mix medicated and equine in the same facility. For my low starch diet gelding, I'm switching to Ultium since I spent a good 20 minutes on the phone and another half hour in the office of our local feed store/rep and they assured me that equine and cattle feeds are from two different facilities. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-06 11:05 AM fatchance - 2015-02-06 10:59 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous. I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS! I missed that about the trucks. What was said?
My local store told me that any of the bulk feed I buy comes from the one and only facility they have and it also mixes medicated feeds. They also use all trucks to deliver both types of feeds. When I questioned their practices they said that the plant and the trucks were flushed with oats or corn. That makes me nervous. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2015-02-07 9:52 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-06 11:05 AM fatchance - 2015-02-06 10:59 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous. I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS! I missed that about the trucks. What was said?
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Location: Florida.. | Update on my friends in AL.. whoms feed tested positive ..
We have had a week filled with highs and lows as we have tried to gain more knowledge regarding our current situation. Our second round of troponin testing show...ed that two horses had elevated out of the "normal" range. We also held our breath as we went through a round of echocardiograms on Friday and received the news that one of the four horses has measurable cardiac abnormalities consistent with monensin exposure. He was discharged with instructions for complete rest until we can determine that he has returned to normal cardiac function.
Still other horses are being cleared to proceed with exercise ECG's to determine the functionality of the heart during increased activity. It is exhausting to experience a measure of relief and devastation in the same day and we are only getting started. We are doing everything in our power to ensure that the horses are monitored and the best diagnostic procedures are available to them.
Everyone please take this situation seriously and if you have had horses on feed manufactured by ADM Alliance Nutrition have your horses monitored for monensin exposure. It is a life threatening substance to horses and I cannot stress enough to be diligent in having your feed tested. Regardless of what you hear, the FDA says that NO amount of monensin is allowed in feed intended for equine consumption. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Anniemae - 2015-02-06 3:55 PM Does anyone have names/contact info/address to testing labs?
I lost my mare in October and the vets never did figure out what was wrong with her. he symptoms are eerily similar... I still have her feed in my garage, I refused to feed it to any of our other horses and I never threw it away.
There's a lab in Brookings, SD and another in MN but not sure where. What feed were you feeding your mare? I'm so sorry you lost her. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | want2chase3 - 2015-02-07 10:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-07 9:52 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-06 11:05 AM fatchance - 2015-02-06 10:59 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous. I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS! I missed that about the trucks. What was said? I wonder where the oats and corn they use to flush end up
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Location: Texas! | Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-07 2:54 PM I still have not received a reply from Triple Crown to any of the emails I have sent.
I called and left a message and got a return call within 2 hours and they were very helpful and answered all of my questions. |
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| I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so. |
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I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so.
I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at. |
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Location: TN | Is there another forage based feed as good as ADM Prime Glo that would be safe? |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | SKM - 2015-02-08 9:57 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 6:38 AM I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so. I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at.
I agree with you SKM, the milling practices are only as good as thier worst employee. Kinda scary when you think about it that way.
All of this makes me wonder if very low levels of ionophores could cause undetectable heart issues that would cause a horse to go down or die during training or racing? Just a thought but who really knows? |
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| SKM - 2015-02-08 7:57 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 6:38 AM
I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so.
I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at.
Your right SKM, your right. Just because there were no problems before doesn't mean there won't be in the future. Ok. So I don't have many other options out here that are safe. We have tractor supply so I can get any nutrena feed or purina. I'm wondering what I should put my horses on? Oats and rice bran? But your right and I admit it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 7:38 AM I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so. I spoke with Stacey on the phone and I told her I didn't care if the mills said they do this and that, we already know the new American worker really doesn't give a crap and I'm not taking any chances. I agree with SKM, TC got enough complaints about consistency so TC no longer uses that one mill and moved that East Texas milling down to Sequin and that plant doesn't mix medicated cattle feed so that is where I would be buying TC. I feed Renew Gold and then started back adding BeetPulp for the winter with a small amount of Triple Crown SR to the beet pulp.
The code for this mill is 81. There is another mill, 43, and they have segregrated areas for their cattle and horse feed. I personally don't want it anywhere around where my horse feed is being mixed so I won't buy any feed that is tagged 43.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | bracer41 - 2015-02-08 10:16 AM Is there another forage based feed as good as ADM Prime Glo that would be safe?
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 10:37 AM
SKM - 2015-02-08 7:57 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 6:38 AM
I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so.
I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at.
Your right SKM, your right. Just because there were no problems before doesn't mean there won't be in the future. Ok. So I don't have many other options out here that are safe. We have tractor supply so I can get any nutrena feed or purina. I'm wondering what I should put my horses on? Oats and rice bran? But your right and I admit it.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | SKM - 2015-02-08 9:57 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 6:38 AM I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so. I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at.
I agree SKM. I also fed Nutrena and am now switching because I try my dangdest to do everything possible for the well being of my horses. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Okay so I already feed Renew Gold and totally happy with the results but I am adding a cup of alfalfa pellets to it. So I pulled the tag and it says under ingredients dehydrated Alfalfa meal. (Ruminan meat and bone meal free). What the heck does that mean?? Some alfalfa pellets have meat and bone meal? The pellets are made by Grainland Select. I'm going to call tomorrow but really can't believe how much this thread has opened up my eyes about these products. Are alfalfa products even processed in the regular feed mills? |
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FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 10:37 AM
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FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 6:38 AM
I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so.
I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at.
Your right SKM, your right. Just because there were no problems before doesn't mean there won't be in the future. Ok. So I don't have many other options out here that are safe. We have tractor supply so I can get any nutrena feed or purina. I'm wondering what I should put my horses on? Oats and rice bran? But your right and I admit it.
Where are you located? California?
Yes. Southern California. I also have a place in central California but all the TC feeds I get at either place come from Stockton or Casa Grande AZ.
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | SKM - 2015-02-06 7:20 AM The reply I got from Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown:Hello Stacey, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. However, our mill in Sterling, CO that would most likely service your area does have rumensin. Please know that in addition to following the FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, we also utilize HACCP, which is for managing risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not actually required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat), so is an additional set of processes that we utilize to manage all of the areas of risk involved in producing horse feeds, beyond just the monensin, as there are many factors at play in manufacturing safe, quality feeds. Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product. If you have any further questions, please let us know! Thank you!
Similar to the PM! that purina sent me on their Facebook after I posted a question.Brenda, thanks for asking about this issue. We understand your concerns about ionophores in horse feed, because feed and manufacturing safety are two of our top priorities. Most of our plants that manufacture horse feed don't manufacture cattle feed, so ionophores aren't present. However, as a result of innovation in our manufacturing processes, we do have four plants where horse feed is manufactured along with cattle feed that contains ionophores. These plants do use advanced systems and processes to keep the two feeds separate and protect against cross-contamination.
If you have any additional questions, our customer service department would be happy to speak with you. Please give them a call at 1-800-227-8941 during Monday-Friday business hours. Thank you! I haven't had a chance to call to ask about which plants.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | mreklaw - 2015-02-08 1:07 PM Okay so I already feed Renew Gold and totally happy with the results but I am adding a cup of alfalfa pellets to it. So I pulled the tag and it says under ingredients dehydrated Alfalfa meal. (Ruminan meat and bone meal free). What the heck does that mean?? Some alfalfa pellets have meat and bone meal? The pellets are made by Grainland Select. I'm going to call tomorrow but really can't believe how much this thread has opened up my eyes about these products. Are alfalfa products even processed in the regular feed mills? Back in 1997...FDA made it against the law to feed Ruminant meat and bone meal to cattle. I would quess this company manufactures a lot of cattle feed.
I hope I can explain this correctly.
Some of the feed companies were taking the meat from Ruminants and making bone meal from their bones and putting it back into their feed. So otherwise they were feeding parts of animals back to animals that got mixed into their feed. They think this practice is what caused mad cow disease over seas and why the FDA banned this practice back in 1997. Fast forward to around 2001 and ruminant meat and bone meal was added into cattle feed at a Purina mill in Texas and Purina caught what was done by mistake and recalled all of the feed that was tainted and ended up buying over 1200 head of cattle that had eaten it so they wouldn't end up in the food chain. Many feel this is the reason that Purina now has segregrated mills and they don't mill cattle feed and horse feed at the same mills. I know this is true in Texas. I don't know if it's true in other states.
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-08 4:12 PM mreklaw - 2015-02-08 1:07 PM Okay so I already feed Renew Gold and totally happy with the results but I am adding a cup of alfalfa pellets to it. So I pulled the tag and it says under ingredients dehydrated Alfalfa meal. (Ruminan meat and bone meal free). What the heck does that mean?? Some alfalfa pellets have meat and bone meal? The pellets are made by Grainland Select. I'm going to call tomorrow but really can't believe how much this thread has opened up my eyes about these products. Are alfalfa products even processed in the regular feed mills? Back in 1997...FDA made it against the law to feed Ruminant meat and bone meal to cattle. I would quess this company manufactures a lot of cattle feed.
I hope I can explain this correctly.
Some of the feed companies were taking the meat from Ruminants and making bone meal from their bones and putting it back into their feed. So otherwise they were feeding parts of animals back to animals that got mixed into their feed. They think this practice is what caused mad cow disease over seas and why the FDA banned this practice back in 1997. Fast forward to around 2001 and ruminant meat and bone meal was added into cattle feed at a Purina mill in Texas and Purina caught what was done by mistake and recalled all of the feed that was tainted and ended up buying over 1200 head of cattle that had eaten it so they wouldn't end up in the food chain. Many feel this is the reason that Purina now has segregrated mills and they don't mill cattle feed and horse feed at the same mills. I know this is true in Texas. I don't know if it's true in other states.
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Has anyone looked into Buckeye? That's what I currently feed. Think they only do horse products. Figured I' ask before I contact them.
I emailed them and I guess it is posted on their Facebook page, medication free including isonophore free |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | GoGaited - 2015-02-08 1:48 PM SKM - 2015-02-06 7:20 AM The reply I got from Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown:Hello Stacey, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. However, our mill in Sterling, CO that would most likely service your area does have rumensin. Please know that in addition to following the FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, we also utilize HACCP, which is for managing risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not actually required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat), so is an additional set of processes that we utilize to manage all of the areas of risk involved in producing horse feeds, beyond just the monensin, as there are many factors at play in manufacturing safe, quality feeds. Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product. If you have any further questions, please let us know! Thank you! Similar to the PM! that purina sent me on their Facebook after I posted a question.
Brenda, thanks for asking about this issue. We understand your concerns about ionophores in horse feed, because feed and manufacturing safety are two of our top priorities. Most of our plants that manufacture horse feed don't manufacture cattle feed, so ionophores aren't present. However, as a result of innovation in our manufacturing processes, we do have four plants where horse feed is manufactured along with cattle feed that contains ionophores. These plants do use advanced systems and processes to keep the two feeds separate and protect against cross-contamination.
If you have any additional questions, our customer service department would be happy to speak with you. Please give them a call at 1-800-227-8941 during Monday-Friday business hours. Thank you!
I haven't had a chance to call to ask about which plants.
My Purina feed (South Dakota) comes out of Kansas City and the cattle feed is out of Sioux City. Find out where yours comes from. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | GoGaited - 2015-02-08 1:48 PM SKM - 2015-02-06 7:20 AM The reply I got from Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown:Hello Stacey, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. However, our mill in Sterling, CO that would most likely service your area does have rumensin. Please know that in addition to following the FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, we also utilize HACCP, which is for managing risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not actually required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat), so is an additional set of processes that we utilize to manage all of the areas of risk involved in producing horse feeds, beyond just the monensin, as there are many factors at play in manufacturing safe, quality feeds. Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product. If you have any further questions, please let us know! Thank you! Similar to the PM! that purina sent me on their Facebook after I posted a question.
Brenda, thanks for asking about this issue. We understand your concerns about ionophores in horse feed, because feed and manufacturing safety are two of our top priorities. Most of our plants that manufacture horse feed don't manufacture cattle feed, so ionophores aren't present. However, as a result of innovation in our manufacturing processes, we do have four plants where horse feed is manufactured along with cattle feed that contains ionophores. These plants do use advanced systems and processes to keep the two feeds separate and protect against cross-contamination.
If you have any additional questions, our customer service department would be happy to speak with you. Please give them a call at 1-800-227-8941 during Monday-Friday business hours. Thank you!
I haven't had a chance to call to ask about which plants.
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 1:55 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-06 2:53 PM I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason:
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
This tells me one thing..They don't give a crap. I'll never buy another product from this company.
Agree. I just bought 200# each of SeniorGLO and PrimeGLO, 80# of HealthyGLO, and a Gro Strong quad block. One bag of HealthyGLO and the quad block are getting shipped back...the rest is getting put into buckets and tossed out outside my pasture. I debated because as someone else mentioned so far it's only been the Patriot line from one particular feed mill. This response is what made up my mind for me - ADM, or at least Mr Hartley (who is their representative), obviously has no concern in the well-being of my horses and no interest in my concerns as a horse owner. Fine...I stopped at my regular feed store yesterday and bought a load of SC Senior, and I will be checking the tags to see which mill it is produced at before I start feeding it (hopefully since I am on the Arkansas/Oklahoma border ours is also manufactured at the OKC plant). Until then my guys will have to make do with grass hay and alfalfa...hopefully my old gal won't lose too much in the meantime.
ETA: I'm tempted to print out this response and include it with the products I'm shipping back...and tell them that their obvious lack of concern tells me they're not worth MY money.
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Location: Beggs, OK | WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines?
It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure. |
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Location: Kansas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-07 9:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-07 9:52 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-06 11:05 AM fatchance - 2015-02-06 10:59 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous. I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS! I missed that about the trucks. What was said?
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Location: Beggs, OK | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-07 2:11 PM Update on my friends in AL.. whoms feed tested positive ..
We have had a week filled with highs and lows as we have tried to gain more knowledge regarding our current situation. Our second round of troponin testing show...ed that two horses had elevated out of the "normal" range. We also held our breath as we went through a round of echocardiograms on Friday and received the news that one of the four horses has measurable cardiac abnormalities consistent with monensin exposure. He was discharged with instructions for complete rest until we can determine that he has returned to normal cardiac function.
Still other horses are being cleared to proceed with exercise ECG's to determine the functionality of the heart during increased activity. It is exhausting to experience a measure of relief and devastation in the same day and we are only getting started. We are doing everything in our power to ensure that the horses are monitored and the best diagnostic procedures are available to them.
Everyone please take this situation seriously and if you have had horses on feed manufactured by ADM Alliance Nutrition have your horses monitored for monensin exposure. It is a life threatening substance to horses and I cannot stress enough to be diligent in having your feed tested. Regardless of what you hear, the FDA says that NO amount of monensin is allowed in feed intended for equine consumption.
I've been in contact with him and was just sick to hear that they have damage even with the normal troponin levels... With the very small amounts of Monensin that were in his feed, it's even more terrifying. That level of exposure goes unnoticed all the time. We just think that our horses have some unrelated bellyache.
How many of you want to run barrels on a horse that has heart damage? Would you want to buy a horse that had confirmed Monensin exposure, even with a prepurchase exam that says that their heart isn't damaged? The only way to protect yourself is to stop buying horse feed from mills that produced medicated cattle feed.
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Location: Florida.. | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:01 AM WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure.
and that is the bottom line here..we all need to call the mills that make the feed and ask..if we havent already and there are several brands on here and it states free or not... this thread has been a real eye opener and possibly with enough questions and emails and calls the companies that care about their consumers will make changes.. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-09 8:13 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:01 AM WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure.
I have also been pressing my local legislators to look into the issue. When a feed tests positive the State Department of Agriculture as well as the FDA need to be involved.
Contact your State Representative or any State Representative that is educated on livestock related issues. |
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| Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags.
Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM
Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags.
Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help.
South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here
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Location: TN | Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!! |
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| Can someone please post or PM me the address to have my feed samples tested? I am going to go that route for now. Thanks! |
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| bracer41 - 2015-02-09 7:33 AM
Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!!
Maybe pick up some rice bran? Platinum performance makes an awesome product that is a complete supplement. It has quite a bit of fat and calories. |
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Location: TN | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-09 9:35 AM bracer41 - 2015-02-09 7:33 AM Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!! Maybe pick up some rice bran? Platinum performance makes an awesome product that is a complete supplement. It has quite a bit of fat and calories.
Thanks....I'm going to try and get some Renew Gold in this area but I may do that in the mean time...... |
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| I am in Ardmore, OK and feed Nutrena Special Care and Nutrena Sr. Would these be safe to feed? I am checking into Bluebonnet but until then I am still feeding the Nutrena. Wanting to get all 3 horses on the same feed if possible. |
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| I've contacted Nutrena, ADM, and Purina (for the Producer's Pride Oats). I got a response from Nutrena (Texas Area Mills), still waiting on all but Nutrena, here's there reply to me:
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our mills in TX that make horse feed do not have monensin/rumensin so they would be considered ionophore safe.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know!
Thanks,
Jolene M. Wright, M.S.
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| missroselee - 2015-02-09 9:24 AM
Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here
I can not find either.:( |
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Jr. Detective
Location: Beggs, OK | Sandok - 2015-02-09 9:42 AM I am in Ardmore, OK and feed Nutrena Special Care and Nutrena Sr. Would these be safe to feed? I am checking into Bluebonnet but until then I am still feeding the Nutrena. Wanting to get all 3 horses on the same feed if possible.
The Nutrena statement is in a post above. They have some mills that do and some that don't.
Bluebonnet is milled right there in Ardmore, so that should be an easy switch for you if you choose to go that direction. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:09 AM missroselee - 2015-02-09 9:24 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here I can not find either.: (
I would get on the Bluebonnet site and find a sales rep that could maybe point you in the right direction.
Any of you that are interested in Renew Gold, winwillows is a board member on here and can answer any questions you may have about where you can find it in your area. |
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Location: TN | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 10:15 AM
Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:09 AM missroselee - 2015-02-09 9:24 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here I can not find either.: (
Any of you that are interested in Renew Gold, winwillows is a board member on here and can answer any questions you may have about where you can find it in your area.
Oh good I want Renew Gold.. |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | The SC Senior I bought is milled in KC I'm guessing (has KC on the tag). Have a call in to Nutrena to see if that mill cross-produces... |
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| Im in SW La. Right on the TX/LA line actually. I am not feeding the pellets I was since finding out that the mill mixes both. M-G, Purina, and Nutrena, and Lonestar are about all I can get. Im debating feeding straight Chaffhay BUT I need something to add to it to balance the alfalfa. Would a dry mix work? Like lonestars multi blend? |
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Location: TN | This board rocks! Thanks everyone I am going to be able to get Renew Gold.....yay! Thanks Winwillow....and Rachelyn80 ( I hope I got your name right...I'm at work and gotta go)....thanks SG and everyone else for this thread. I've been worrying about this.....
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Location: Oklahoma | Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:09 AM missroselee - 2015-02-09 9:24 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here I can not find either.: (
Are you close to the OK border? Renew Gold can be bought at TSCs in Oklahoma. My store (in SE OK) wasn't carrying it, but I asked the feed buying guy if he could get it and he was able to...and they've kept in in stock ever since. Perhaps there is a TSC close to the border that would be worth the drive?? I'm pretty sure that Win w/ RG posted a few months ago that all OK & TX stores had access; you just might have to request that they start carrying it. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:11 AM
Bibliafarm - 2015-02-07 2:11 PM Update on my friends in AL.. whoms feed tested positive ..
We have had a week filled with highs and lows as we have tried to gain more knowledge regarding our current situation. Our second round of troponin testing show...ed that two horses had elevated out of the "normal" range. We also held our breath as we went through a round of echocardiograms on Friday and received the news that one of the four horses has measurable cardiac abnormalities consistent with monensin exposure. He was discharged with instructions for complete rest until we can determine that he has returned to normal cardiac function.
Still other horses are being cleared to proceed with exercise ECG's to determine the functionality of the heart during increased activity. It is exhausting to experience a measure of relief and devastation in the same day and we are only getting started. We are doing everything in our power to ensure that the horses are monitored and the best diagnostic procedures are available to them.
Everyone please take this situation seriously and if you have had horses on feed manufactured by ADM Alliance Nutrition have your horses monitored for monensin exposure. It is a life threatening substance to horses and I cannot stress enough to be diligent in having your feed tested. Regardless of what you hear, the FDA says that NO amount of monensin is allowed in feed intended for equine consumption.
I've been in contact with him and was just sick to hear that they have damage even with the normal troponin levels... With the very small amounts of Monensin that were in his feed, it's even more terrifying. That level of exposure goes unnoticed all the time. We just think that our horses have some unrelated bellyache.
How many of you want to run barrels on a horse that has heart damage? Would you want to buy a horse that had confirmed Monensin exposure, even with a prepurchase exam that says that their heart isn't damaged? The only way to protect yourself is to stop buying horse feed from mills that produced medicated cattle feed.
Knowing what I know now, I don't think I'll ever be able to buy another horse without having a cardiac exam done along with all of the other prepurchase necessities.
It might be a stretch on cardiac exams for most but I wonder how the results differ from race horses that have been given hog juice and all the other illegal substances?
Also, I know that smaller mfgs use mills to make their private feeds. I wonder who pellets Forco, Calf Manna? I know ADM makes a lot of medicated mineral. I wonder if we should test our minerals as well?
That leads to all the supplements which are also not FDA approved, who mfg them? Should we in fact test them too? The labs that make glucosamine and ulcergard off label, they have been all over the news. Where does it end? |
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| Is Renew Gold ok for broodmares?
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Location: Florida.. | it doesnt we just try to provide what we can.. proactive is better then nothing..we can make a differance.. baby steps. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-09 8:13 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:01 AM WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure.
Contact your State Representative or any State Representative that is educated on livestock related issues.
Our local State Ag Department was not even interested. (meaning in our town) They said they can do nothing but respond to "fresh fruits, vegetables and nuts". I think the ladies were just plain lazy. They suggested I contact our local extension service, which I did. He was extremely helpful and got me a lab in LA that would also test the feed.
So, I will go to the state level for the Ag department.
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Location: Beggs, OK | 3canstorun - 2015-02-09 1:34 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-09 8:13 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:01 AM WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure.
Contact your State Representative or any State Representative that is educated on livestock related issues.
So, I will go to the state level for the Ag department.
You can file a complaint with the FDA through an online portal for livestock feeds. If you have feed that tests positive call your district FDA consumer complaint rep. They will instruct you to file a complaint online and let them know when it's complete so that they can flag the file.
Your states Department of Agriculture should have a website that has a little information on who to contact. Each state does some sort of facility testing and certification so they are inspected at some time to keep up with licensing.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | bracer41 - 2015-02-09 9:40 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-09 9:35 AM bracer41 - 2015-02-09 7:33 AM Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!! Maybe pick up some rice bran? Platinum performance makes an awesome product that is a complete supplement. It has quite a bit of fat and calories.
Call Win Willows and he can help you out in finding a store.
I just saw above that you have already contacted Win Willows. That's great!
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Location: TN | Nevertooold - 2015-02-09 2:11 PM bracer41 - 2015-02-09 9:40 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-09 9:35 AM bracer41 - 2015-02-09 7:33 AM Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!! Maybe pick up some rice bran? Platinum performance makes an awesome product that is a complete supplement. It has quite a bit of fat and calories.
Call Win Willows and he can help you out in finding a store.
I just saw above that you have already contacted Win Willows. That's great!
Hey thanks! I actually already contacted her and found out that whoever in my area that has Manna Pro can order the Renew Gold. I can get it at 3 different places....for anyone in my area those places are Tractor Supply, Farmers Co-op, and Edwards Feed in Lebanon TN.....you need to contact them first because it will be special orders.....
Thanks again Winwillows.....got a pm to message my phone number and got a call from Manna Pro within 30 min....fantastic service..... |
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| Did you know you can get Renew Gold from Amazon. Of course it will cost you quite a bit. |
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| FYI, I have now spoken with Purina and ADM.
Purina also makes Producer's Pride and I called to find out about the whole oats. She was extremely nice and informative. She said any products purchased in Denver are ionophore free, however, if you buy in Texas they are not, but, the equine side never crosses over with the ionophore products. They have two totally different process areas, it just happens to take place in the same building. I questioned her on the chances of contamination between the two and she said it couldn't happen because they are never processed with the same equipment. I asked her why I have found corn in my whole oats, and was told to always return the bag and notify Purina, because you should never have anything in a bag of oats but "OATS". Then they will be able to take the number from you on that bag and trace it back and correct whatever is going wrong.
Next, ADM contacted me and I asked if I should be concerned since I have used Gro-Strong Blocks forever! He didn't seem concerned at all and was aware of the "internet" clains going around about ionophore. Said "yes, we do have ionophore in our processing", like it was no big deal. Now, I guess I need to find a new mineral block that was as good as my Gro-Strong. Any suggestions?
Hope this info helps and if you need contact info just pm me. |
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| Thistle2011 - 2015-02-08 9:20 PM
ETA: I'm tempted to print out this response and include it with the products I'm shipping back...and tell them that their obvious lack of concern tells me they're not worth MY money.
DO IT. I wrote on there public face book wall that until they use an ion free mill ill be switching to a feed with a garantee
I just looked on ADM Facebook page.. they have gotten a bunch of angry posts! They are definitely under fire right now. Their response is the same over and over again.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I saw a post on Facebook and I think it was put on there by SG. It talked about how the feed plants may be ionophore free but you have to remember that the molasses is shipped in and that can be contaminated. Any thoughts on that? I know Woody's is the only one (that I know) that makes their own molasses. |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 1:58 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-09 1:34 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-09 8:13 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:01 AM WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure.
Contact your State Representative or any State Representative that is educated on livestock related issues.
So, I will go to the state level for the Ag department.
Your states Department of Agriculture should have a website that has a little information on who to contact. Each state does some sort of facility testing and certification so they are inspected at some time to keep up with licensing.
Thank yu Rachel for all the wonderful information. So sorry for those that are fighting health issues with horses because of this. just not acceptable. |
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Location: Florida.. | Another farm and batch has been tested Positive .. ADM in GA
http://eventingnation.com/home/contaminated-horse-feed-causes-panic-in-georgia/
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | This pretty much sums it up:
This case, as well as those from South Carolina and Florida, beg the question: If monensin is so terribly dangerous to horses, why is horse feed manufactured on the same equipment as feed containing monensin? And while we are accustomed to seeing warning labels on human food that contains allergens like peanuts or dairy, why are feed companies not required to list other products processed by the same equipment, particularly when the ingredients could be potentially toxic?
ADM's refusal to accept any sort of culpability in this just absolutely astounds me. |
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| Adm is going to put a hit on me....i copyed the link and posted it all over there facebook page |
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Location: Florida.. | its all over Facebook. They take NO responsibility at all and acts like its no big deal..this why its going viral so fast. People will not stand by anymore and allow them to feel its OK |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-02-09 8:30 PM
its all over Facebook. They take NO responsibility at all and acts like its no big deal..this why its going viral so fast. People will not stand by anymore and allow them to feel its OK
I wonder if they deleted it all? I just went on their FB page and it's not showing anything about the monesin issue. |
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Location: North MS | Regarding feed test labs- who is everyone using. So far I have seen the post about UC Davis. I have an appointment next week at MSU and guess who happens to have a sample of feed I purchased in September of last year- a bag of senior I was feeding my injured horse who passed away. I can't help but wonder about the feed now. Since I am already going to the vet school I can take the sample with me and see about testing. I know Auburn did testing on one sample as well. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Breaks my heart to see yet another article about feed. Most horse owners try to do the very best they can by their horses. The lab results will verify but the common denominator in all of this tells enough. Prayers for all who fed this feed. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | bluerose2001 - 2015-02-10 3:44 AM Regarding feed test labs- who is everyone using. So far I have seen the post about UC Davis. I have an appointment next week at MSU and guess who happens to have a sample of feed I purchased in September of last year- a bag of senior I was feeding my injured horse who passed away. I can't help but wonder about the feed now. Since I am already going to the vet school I can take the sample with me and see about testing. I know Auburn did testing on one sample as well.
Auburn has done more then one sample on the ADM feed. Some people are waiting results as it takes 1-2 weeks to come back. |
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| want2chase3 - 2015-02-09 11:22 PM
You gotta click on the "posts to page" button to see the comments people have been posting.
Look under all there little adds if you "post" on there page its invisible but adm can see it. |
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| cruise - 2015-02-10 5:28 AM Breaks my heart to see yet another article about feed. Most horse owners try to do the very best they can by their horses. The lab results will verify but the common denominator in all of this tells enough. Prayers for all who fed this feed.
Agree, it is heartbreaking to lose a horse in any way but especially to something like this that could easily be preventable. |
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Location: Kansas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-09 3:55 PM
Thistle2011 - 2015-02-08 9:20 PM
ETA: I'm tempted to print out this response and include it with the products I'm shipping back...and tell them that their obvious lack of concern tells me they're not worth MY money.
DO IT. I wrote on there public face book wall that until they use an ion free mill ill be switching to a feed with a garantee
I just looked on ADM Facebook page.. they have gotten a bunch of angry posts! They are definitely under fire right now. Their response is the same over and over again.
Which facebook page is the one you're looking at? I tried finding it but there are so many different ones for ADM |
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Location: Kansas | I don't want to read through all the pages....but has anyone said if Nutrena feeds were safe or not? |
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Location: Oklahoma | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-10 8:03 AM
I don't want to read through all the pages....but has anyone said if Nutrena feeds were safe or not?
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-10 8:03 AM I don't want to read through all the pages....but has anyone said if Nutrena feeds were safe or not?
It depends on which plant your feed came from. I was feeding it but am switching because of the chance its contaminated. |
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Location: Kansas | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-10 7:02 AM
want2chase3 - 2015-02-09 3:55 PM
Thistle2011 - 2015-02-08 9:20 PM
ETA: I'm tempted to print out this response and include it with the products I'm shipping back...and tell them that their obvious lack of concern tells me they're not worth MY money.
DO IT. I wrote on there public face book wall that until they use an ion free mill ill be switching to a feed with a garantee
I just looked on ADM Facebook page.. they have gotten a bunch of angry posts! They are definitely under fire right now. Their response is the same over and over again.
Which facebook page is the one you're looking at? I tried finding it but there are so many different ones for ADM
Never mind... found it and left a nice little review :) |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | bracer41 - 2015-02-09 10:40 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-09 9:35 AM bracer41 - 2015-02-09 7:33 AM Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!! Maybe pick up some rice bran? Platinum performance makes an awesome product that is a complete supplement. It has quite a bit of fat and calories.
You could always try Jeffers and have it delivered. You are much closer to me but I was totally desperate to get it in. Its expensive but it was worth it for me. I also saw someone carrying it on Amazon. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies. |
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Location: Florida.. | I will support the brands (purina is one) that has a free zone.. period.. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM
I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies.
What about feeding the oats and alfalfa pellets and adding in a vit/min supplement geared towards seniors? |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 8:22 AM
I will support the brands (purina is one) that has a free zone.. period..
I agree, if we don't support them, then the other feed producers have no reason to change. Purina isn't my favorite, but I have never had a problem with their senior feed, thank goodness, since I am currently feeding it to our old mare. I just want to add that I contacted Max E Glo producers and was told that they don't use ionophores where it is made. Standlee hay products are also clear too. So now I just need to find a new vitamin/mineral since I was feeding GroStrong.
I also want to thank everyone who has taken the time to inform and educate us on this very important subject. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 9:14 AM I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies. I went to oats, alfalfa pellets and rice bran for my oldie.
Meant to say soaked cubes, I put hot water on them, feed the others then the oldie last so they are soaked up.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | GLP - 2015-02-10 7:41 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 8:22 AM I will support the brands (purina is one) that has a free zone.. period.. I agree, if we don't support them, then the other feed producers have no reason to change. Purina isn't my favorite, but I have never had a problem with their senior feed, thank goodness, since I am currently feeding it to our old mare. I just want to add that I contacted Max E Glo producers and was told that they don't use ionophores where it is made. Standlee hay products are also clear too. So now I just need to find a new vitamin/mineral since I was feeding GroStrong. I also want to thank everyone who has taken the time to inform and educate us on this very important subject.
I just got off the phone with ADM. Horse feed out of Quincy Ill is made on a totally seperate line, across the street from the other feeds. This is the GLO products that I feed, I didn't ask about the others. The bags will have a QW on the tag if they come from that mill. They also stated that they are having meetings etc and working towards a goal to keep the horse feed milled separate from medicated feeds. I have read pages and pages of these posts and if you were to do more research and look back through the yrs, there are several incidents of other companies listed in this post having an issue from this or that. If you have a question about your particular feed, call the company and get first hand answers (I was not talking to someone that was reading their response off a paper either) to your questions. If I can't get quality grain, I won't feed any at all. I live in an area where it is really hard to find any good brands. I'm not sure what I will do about ADM myself. Knowing my feed is from a safe mill and that they ARE going about making changes for the consumer does make me feel better about the company. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-02-10 9:53 AM GLP - 2015-02-10 7:41 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 8:22 AM I will support the brands (purina is one) that has a free zone.. period.. I agree, if we don't support them, then the other feed producers have no reason to change. Purina isn't my favorite, but I have never had a problem with their senior feed, thank goodness, since I am currently feeding it to our old mare. I just want to add that I contacted Max E Glo producers and was told that they don't use ionophores where it is made. Standlee hay products are also clear too. So now I just need to find a new vitamin/mineral since I was feeding GroStrong. I also want to thank everyone who has taken the time to inform and educate us on this very important subject.
And the reason I think my horses did not react so badly was because of the THE that you sell. Nothing personal, but this is happening way too much. I don't care if you have a $100 horse or a $500K horse, no horse needs to die because processors are using items in their mills that kill horses.
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| 3canstorun - 2015-02-10 8:56 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2015-02-10 9:53 AM GLP - 2015-02-10 7:41 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 8:22 AM I will support the brands (purina is one) that has a free zone.. period.. I agree, if we don't support them, then the other feed producers have no reason to change. Purina isn't my favorite, but I have never had a problem with their senior feed, thank goodness, since I am currently feeding it to our old mare. I just want to add that I contacted Max E Glo producers and was told that they don't use ionophores where it is made. Standlee hay products are also clear too. So now I just need to find a new vitamin/mineral since I was feeding GroStrong. I also want to thank everyone who has taken the time to inform and educate us on this very important subject.
I contacted Manna Pro and talked to Leann Meyer. On my bag of Max E Glo, it has Manna Pro as the maker. Is Manna Pro part of the ADM family? I am second guessing myself now. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | 3canstorun - 2015-02-10 7:56 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-02-10 9:53 AM GLP - 2015-02-10 7:41 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 8:22 AM I will support the brands (purina is one) that has a free zone.. period.. I agree, if we don't support them, then the other feed producers have no reason to change. Purina isn't my favorite, but I have never had a problem with their senior feed, thank goodness, since I am currently feeding it to our old mare. I just want to add that I contacted Max E Glo producers and was told that they don't use ionophores where it is made. Standlee hay products are also clear too. So now I just need to find a new vitamin/mineral since I was feeding GroStrong. I also want to thank everyone who has taken the time to inform and educate us on this very important subject.
And the reason I think my horses did not react so badly was because of the THE that you sell. Nothing personal, but this is happening way too much. I don't care if you have a $100 horse or a $500K horse, no horse needs to die because processors are using items in their mills that kill horses.
I don't think anyone is over reacting, not at all. I just know that a lot of companies have had issues in the past. Mold alone can kill one and Purina is the worst one I have found for that, so that rules out that brand for me. Very few that I trust to use, and the ones that are safe, I either don't like the feed or can't get it here.
It wasn't Jason, as I most certainly didn't want to talk to him and also it wasn't that woman's name that you listed. Now I wish I had written it down. I do kind of doubt they are lying about seperate lines as anyone and their brother could stop by and see for themselves. I only asked about the GLO line and the particular facility where my feed came from, so the others I have no idea where they are made or what city/state. She openly admitted that the other mills just run a non medicated feed through before they make the horse feed. It has measures that are supposed to be made to clean it between, but we all know that can be botched.
Fantastic about THE helping, I had do idea. I couldn't imagine losing a horse like that. I had one develope laminitis like no body's business and he was on Total Equine at the time. Sounds like that feed was/is safe though. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | GLP - 2015-02-10 7:59 AM 3canstorun - 2015-02-10 8:56 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-02-10 9:53 AM GLP - 2015-02-10 7:41 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 8:22 AM I will support the brands (purina is one) that has a free zone.. period.. I agree, if we don't support them, then the other feed producers have no reason to change. Purina isn't my favorite, but I have never had a problem with their senior feed, thank goodness, since I am currently feeding it to our old mare. I just want to add that I contacted Max E Glo producers and was told that they don't use ionophores where it is made. Standlee hay products are also clear too. So now I just need to find a new vitamin/mineral since I was feeding GroStrong. I also want to thank everyone who has taken the time to inform and educate us on this very important subject. I contacted Manna Pro and talked to Leann Meyer. On my bag of Max E Glo, it has Manna Pro as the maker. Is Manna Pro part of the ADM family? I am second guessing myself now.
Pretty sure they are not the same company. Info listed on both sites differs. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | GLP - 2015-02-10 8:59 AM 3canstorun - 2015-02-10 8:56 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-02-10 9:53 AM GLP - 2015-02-10 7:41 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 8:22 AM I will support the brands (purina is one) that has a free zone.. period.. I agree, if we don't support them, then the other feed producers have no reason to change. Purina isn't my favorite, but I have never had a problem with their senior feed, thank goodness, since I am currently feeding it to our old mare. I just want to add that I contacted Max E Glo producers and was told that they don't use ionophores where it is made. Standlee hay products are also clear too. So now I just need to find a new vitamin/mineral since I was feeding GroStrong. I also want to thank everyone who has taken the time to inform and educate us on this very important subject. I contacted Manna Pro and talked to Leann Meyer. On my bag of Max E Glo, it has Manna Pro as the maker. Is Manna Pro part of the ADM family? I am second guessing myself now.
I dont think Manna Pro is part of the ADM family. I think it gets confusing on the glo products as far as names and who makes them. |
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| Thanks, that is what I was thinking, but this is just not something I want to be casual aboutl |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Mold is not the same as a company knowingly using medicated toxins that can kill a horse and damage a horses heart and yet doesnt make changes.. mold could be the feed store, could be the owners fault, could be many things contributing.. THIS issue is the feed companys lack of care.. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | want2chase3 - 2015-02-10 8:37 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies. What about feeding the oats and alfalfa pellets and adding in a vit/min supplement geared towards seniors?
Teeth are the problem. The 27 year old has teeth missing. I can soak cubes for him, but he needs more calories. I normally feed him and the other older horse Patriot Senior and healthy Glo. He looks awesome and I worry about changing what's working, but I don't want to support ADM's current practices and attitude either. |
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Location: Florida.. | you should call where yours is bagged at and find out if its free of toxins if you plan to continue feeding it or use another high fat grain.. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 9:29 AM Mold is not the same as a company knowingly using medicated toxins that can kill a horse and damage a horses heart and yet doesnt make changes.. mold could be the feed store, could be the owners fault, could be many things contributing.. THIS issue is the feed companys lack of care..
What she said. My friend and I have both had problems getting moldy bagged feed at our local TSC, both Nutrena and Purina feeds. Its because its not rotated. When I find it I return it. In the summer with the heat and humidity my barn gets damp so I have to be careful of it molding in my barn. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-10 8:39 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 9:29 AM Mold is not the same as a company knowingly using medicated toxins that can kill a horse and damage a horses heart and yet doesnt make changes.. mold could be the feed store, could be the owners fault, could be many things contributing.. THIS issue is the feed companys lack of care.. What she said. My friend and I have both had problems getting moldy bagged feed at our local TSC, both Nutrena and Purina feeds. Its because its not rotated. When I find it I return it. In the summer with the heat and humidity my barn gets damp so I have to be careful of it molding in my barn.
I agree totally. I am saying most of the feed companies out there suck. As horse owners that care, we need to really think what we are going to feed. Just because a company is "safe" doesn't mean it is still something to feed your horse. Some would be better off with out the grain period. Just like a statement I made on someones post on facebook. Local mills are just as bad if not WORSE for mixing oats etc in the same facilities as medicated chicken and cow feed. Just really REALLY do your research and not follow the masses from one feed to another. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies.
What about Chaffhaye? My old mare did really well on it. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-02-10 9:43 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-10 8:39 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 9:29 AM Mold is not the same as a company knowingly using medicated toxins that can kill a horse and damage a horses heart and yet doesnt make changes.. mold could be the feed store, could be the owners fault, could be many things contributing.. THIS issue is the feed companys lack of care.. What she said. My friend and I have both had problems getting moldy bagged feed at our local TSC, both Nutrena and Purina feeds. Its because its not rotated. When I find it I return it. In the summer with the heat and humidity my barn gets damp so I have to be careful of it molding in my barn.
I would love to have mine on a totally grain free diet, but we don't have access to the quality of hay that the northern girls do. We can get alfalfa, but it's tough to get it with any consistency in quality or price. Our bermuda hay is good, but it's not enough. Mine are on alfalfa, grass hay, and Bluebonnet now. GroStrong is my favorite mineral, but ADM won't get another dime from me. They can thank Mr. Hartley for that. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-02-10 9:43 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-10 8:39 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 9:29 AM Mold is not the same as a company knowingly using medicated toxins that can kill a horse and damage a horses heart and yet doesnt make changes.. mold could be the feed store, could be the owners fault, could be many things contributing.. THIS issue is the feed companys lack of care.. What she said. My friend and I have both had problems getting moldy bagged feed at our local TSC, both Nutrena and Purina feeds. Its because its not rotated. When I find it I return it. In the summer with the heat and humidity my barn gets damp so I have to be careful of it molding in my barn.
The local mill where I was getting my bulk oats from mixes medicated feed and flushes the system before they run horse feed. I've never had a problem with it but it does make me nervous. My brother raises some oats for his own personal use. I'll be getting my oats from him. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-10 9:47 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies. What about Chaffhaye? My old mare did really well on it.
Where do I find dealers? The only one I know about is Myle and she's like 6 hours from me. |
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Location: TN | Can't find the page....what tests should be done on my horses....exposure and heart? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | And FYI - Jason Hartley is reading this page.
And, as for me too, while I loved the product and while I love the minerals too, I will not support ADM until they have separate facililties. Which, would not be hard for me to see, as I only live 40 miles from the plant. I can also visit the Triple Crown facility in Valdosta GA, which is only 40 miles from me too.
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| CYA Ranch - 2015-02-10 7:39 AM
Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 9:29 AM Mold is not the same as a company knowingly using medicated toxins that can kill a horse and damage a horses heart and yet doesnt make changes.. mold could be the feed store, could be the owners fault, could be many things contributing.. THIS issue is the feed companys lack of care..
What she said. My friend and I have both had problems getting moldy bagged feed at our local TSC, both Nutrena and Purina feeds. Its because its not rotated. When I find it I return it. In the summer with the heat and humidity my barn gets damp so I have to be careful of it molding in my barn.
This is why I keep all my grain INSIDE my house 24/7.. In a back room. lol I can air condition if need be to prevent feed from going bad. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 10:12 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-10 9:47 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies. What about Chaffhaye? My old mare did really well on it.
David Williams in Carlisle is shown as a dealer, but he's 83 miles from you. Several of our feedstores around here are carrying it. I didn't realize that it was so localized to this area....
http://www.chaffhaye.com/locate-a-dealer/ |
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| This is the response I received from Thomas Moore feed for anyone who feeds it....not sure how I feel about this.......
We do make both cattle and horse feeds (as well as for other species). Because of the variety of feeds we make, and the differences in volume, it is not possible to devote mixers, mills, and equipment to horse feed only. However, we have practices and procedures for prevention of feed contamination. These protocols are used industry-wide as most feed manufacturers also lack the ability to designate specified equipment for horse feed only. These procedures that we use are standard across the industry and are in line with current Good Manufacturing Processes (cGMPs) as outlined by the Food and Drug Adminstration.
Anytime a medicated feed is made (not just monensin, but any medicated additive) there is a protocol in place for what type of feed may follow that in the system. It must be a feed approved for the use and species concerned. For example, if a cattle feed containing Bovatec is made, a horse feed cannot be the next feed made in the system. A nonmedicated feed must be made first in order to purge the mixer, auger, and bins of material from the previous batch. With higher risk contaminants, like monensin, an additional “flusing batch” will be made to purge the system of remaining feed immediately. The purging material is then added to the medicated batch and leaves the plant with it.
In instances in the U.S. when there has been a problem with monensin contamination in horse feed resulting in an acute case, it has been generally been due to a mixing error or mishandling of an additive. To prevent mixing errors, all of our medicated feed additives are weighed and added manually. The amounts of these additives that are used are logged and tracked on a daily basis and the physical inventory is checked against these logs every 24 hours.
I hope this information will alleviate your concerns and help to assure you of the safety of our feed. If you have any additional questions or concerns please do not hesitate to contact me at the numbers listed below.
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Location: Beggs, OK | 3canstorun - 2015-02-10 10:21 AM And FYI - Jason Hartley is reading this page.
And, as for me too, while I loved the product and while I love the minerals too, I will not support ADM until they have separate facililties. Which, would not be hard for me to see, as I only live 40 miles from the plant. I can also visit the Triple Crown facility in Valdosta GA, which is only 40 miles from me too.
I wish he would step in as you would expect a representative of a large company would and help to ease some fears and maybe even educate us a little on their processes. |
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Location: Kansas | Everyone who is saying that they are thinking of switching from ADM horse feed to bagged oats now, that doesn't solve the problem. I've fed a grain mixture that I mix myself for years now. Two of those ingredients are oats and cracked corn that comes from ADM. Well do you know what they flush the system with between medicated batches and horse feed? OATS and CORN. I never knew about the effects of cattle feed and horse feed coming into contact with one another until this dibacle so this is terrifying! |
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| NFRhereIcome27 - 2015-02-10 8:42 AM
This is the response I received from Thomas Moore feed for anyone who feeds it....not sure how I feel about this.......
We do make both cattle and horse feeds (as well as for other species). Because of the variety of feeds we make, and the differences in volume, it is not possible to devote mixers, mills, and equipment to horse feed only. However, we have practices and procedures for prevention of feed contamination. These protocols are used industry-wide as most feed manufacturers also lack the ability to designate specified equipment for horse feed only. These procedures that we use are standard across the industry and are in line with current Good Manufacturing Processes (cGMPs) as outlined by the Food and Drug Adminstration.
Anytime a medicated feed is made (not just monensin, but any medicated additive) there is a protocol in place for what type of feed may follow that in the system. It must be a feed approved for the use and species concerned. For example, if a cattle feed containing Bovatec is made, a horse feed cannot be the next feed made in the system. A nonmedicated feed must be made first in order to purge the mixer, auger, and bins of material from the previous batch. With higher risk contaminants, like monensin, an additional “flusing batch” will be made to purge the system of remaining feed immediately. The purging material is then added to the medicated batch and leaves the plant with it.
In instances in the U.S. when there has been a problem with monensin contamination in horse feed resulting in an acute case, it has been generally been due to a mixing error or mishandling of an additive. To prevent mixing errors, all of our medicated feed additives are weighed and added manually. The amounts of these additives that are used are logged and tracked on a daily basis and the physical inventory is checked against these logs every 24 hours.
I hope this information will alleviate your concerns and help to assure you of the safety of our feed. If you have any additional questions or concerns please do not hesitate to contact me at the numbers listed below.
Just seems to me that logic would dictate that no amount of " Flushing" will totally get 100% of Monesin out of a system. THere are just so many nooks and crannys in a mill. Correct? |
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Location: Beggs, OK | This is a Thesis that was written by a student at Kansas State. It's an excellent illustration of the process and the levels of drug carryover that you can expect along the way in the flushing/feed mixing process. I understand that it's a very long paper, but it's a very informational read and has tables toward the end that show the levels of monensin that were present in the supposed unmedicated feed.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/1025/AdrianMartinez-Kawas2008.pdf?sequence=1 |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-10 10:42 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 10:12 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-10 9:47 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies. What about Chaffhaye? My old mare did really well on it.
http://www.chaffhaye.com/locate-a-dealer/
Thanks for the link. This area is not exactly a hotbed for horse ownership, or any livestock, for that matter. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-10 10:46 AM Everyone who is saying that they are thinking of switching from ADM horse feed to bagged oats now, that doesn't solve the problem. I've fed a grain mixture that I mix myself for years now. Two of those ingredients are oats and cracked corn that comes from ADM. Well do you know what they flush the system with between medicated batches and horse feed? OATS and CORN. I never knew about the effects of cattle feed and horse feed coming into contact with one another until this dibacle so this is terrifying!
I can get oats that are locally grown then cleaned and bagged at a seed cleaner that does not make feed of any kind. Theirs are way cleaner than any of the branded oats I've ever used, even the supposedly triple cleaned racehorse oats. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I stopped reading the post after page 6 or 7 I believe. But I wanted to update on Ametza:
Their reply to my asking if their products are made with Monensin or any other form of the toxin was this:
"Thank you for your question! All of our pellets are made from premium hays. We do not produce any other type of ruminant feed, so you can be assured there is no trace of monensin in our pellets.
Please feel free to contact us if you have any other questions or concerns.
Best regards,
Nereida Quevedo"
I believe that means my bermuda pellets I am feeding my two are good. Forgot to update a few weeks ago, sorry guys |
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| HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-10 10:46 AM
Everyone who is saying that they are thinking of switching from ADM horse feed to bagged oats now, that doesn't solve the problem. I've fed a grain mixture that I mix myself for years now. Two of those ingredients are oats and cracked corn that comes from ADM. Well do you know what they flush the system with between medicated batches and horse feed? OATS and CORN. I never knew about the effects of cattle feed and horse feed coming into contact with one another until this dibacle so this is terrifying!
It is not the same for every mill. Read the comment above from ADM on what feeds follow medicated feeds. And they can have practices in place but if they are not followed it really is only smoke. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-10 10:42 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 10:12 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-10 9:47 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies. What about Chaffhaye? My old mare did really well on it.
http://www.chaffhaye.com/locate-a-dealer/
Ive been feeding Chaffhay for about a year now. LOVE IT!!!!! I feed 3 bags a week to 6 horses. We buy it by the pallet and split with a friend.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 9:30 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-10 8:37 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies. What about feeding the oats and alfalfa pellets and adding in a vit/min supplement geared towards seniors?
I understand how you feel but sometimes we just have to do what is best for our horse. With all the heat they are getting I would say they have 2 choices...change their milling practices or take a huge hit in profits.
Triple Crown had a consistency problem with one of their mills that would be MN on the bags. After enough complaints, they no longer use that mill. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Someone asked about MaxE Glo Stabilized Rice Bran earlier. That is food grade stabilized rice bran. Manna Pro sells it in both a meal form and pelleted. It all starts as a meal form. It is human food grade and is made in a plant that does not make any medicated products of any kind. It is my understanding that it is then shipped out to be pelletized for that version of the product. I do not know where that happens, but people do not eat pellets, so that process would be in a feed plant. You could call Manna Pro and ask where that pelleting process takes place, but the original meal form is absolutely no problem. |
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| winwillows - 2015-02-10 12:49 PM
Someone asked about MaxE Glo Stabilized Rice Bran earlier. That is food grade stabilized rice bran. Manna Pro sells it in both a meal form and pelleted. It all starts as a meal form. It is human food grade and is made in a plant that does not make any medicated products of any kind. It is my understanding that it is then shipped out to be pelletized for that version of the product. I do not know where that happens, but people do not eat pellets, so that process would be in a feed plant. You could call Manna Pro and ask where that pelleting process takes place, but the original meal form is absolutely no problem.
You do understand that rice bran is run through a grinder at a mill, right? But it is great news to know that it is food safe and in a plant without meds. The question is are they buying in already in bran form, if so, that could be contaminated in theory upon arrival at their facility. |
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Location: Florida.. | Nevertooold - 2015-02-10 1:46 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 9:30 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-10 8:37 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies. What about feeding the oats and alfalfa pellets and adding in a vit/min supplement geared towards seniors?
Triple Crown had a consistency problem with one of their mills that would be MN on the bags. After enough complaints, they no longer use that mill.
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Location: Willows, CA | Zebra racer - 2015-02-10 1:11 PM
winwillows - 2015-02-10 12:49 PM
Someone asked about MaxE Glo Stabilized Rice Bran earlier. That is food grade stabilized rice bran. Manna Pro sells it in both a meal form and pelleted. It all starts as a meal form. It is human food grade and is made in a plant that does not make any medicated products of any kind. It is my understanding that it is then shipped out to be pelletized for that version of the product. I do not know where that happens, but people do not eat pellets, so that process would be in a feed plant. You could call Manna Pro and ask where that pelleting process takes place, but the original meal form is absolutely no problem.
You do understand that rice bran is run through a grinder at a mill, right? But it is great news to know that it is food safe and in a plant without meds. The question is are they buying in already in bran form, if so, that could be contaminated in theory upon arrival at their facility.
Stabilized Rice Bran is handled differently than raw rice bran at the rice mill. The milling process grinds the bran off of the rice kernel. This is the difference between brown rice (still has the bran on it), and white rice (no bran remaining) otherwise it is the same rice. After stabilizing the bran that is intended for the food market, there is no further grinding or processing. Raw bran goes a different direction in the mill and is treated as a waste product. That has always been the risk of feeding raw bran. It is both rancid, and has the potential for mold and animal waste contamination. In horse products, if it does not say "stabilized rice bran" in the ingredient list, it is most likely raw. In either case, there is no risk of medication contamination at the rice mill. Where it is processed after that may be a different matter. |
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winwillows - 2015-02-10 12:49 PM
Someone asked about MaxE Glo Stabilized Rice Bran earlier. That is food grade stabilized rice bran. Manna Pro sells it in both a meal form and pelleted. It all starts as a meal form. It is human food grade and is made in a plant that does not make any medicated products of any kind. It is my understanding that it is then shipped out to be pelletized for that version of the product. I do not know where that happens, but people do not eat pellets, so that process would be in a feed plant. You could call Manna Pro and ask where that pelleting process takes place, but the original meal form is absolutely no problem.
You do understand that rice bran is run through a grinder at a mill, right? But it is great news to know that it is food safe and in a plant without meds. The question is are they buying in already in bran form, if so, that could be contaminated in theory upon arrival at their facility.
Stabilized Rice Bran is handled differently than raw rice bran at the rice mill. The milling process grinds the bran off of the rice kernel. This is the difference between brown rice (still has the bran on it ), and white rice (no bran remaining ) otherwise it is the same rice. After stabilizing the bran that is intended for the food market, there is no further grinding or processing. Raw bran goes a different direction in the mill and is treated as a waste product. That has always been the risk of feeding raw bran. It is both rancid, and has the potential for mold and animal waste contamination. In horse products, if it does not say "stabilized rice bran" in the ingredient list, it is most likely raw. In either case, there is no risk of medication contamination at the rice mill. Where it is processed after that may be a different matter.
It is brought in as rice at any mill USA and ground in to rice meal. From there it may be sold, bagged or used in mixes. If they grind rice that at Manna Pro and then stabilize it, that is great. If not, as it is in other mills, it does not guarantee it hasn't gone thru the same augers and grinders as medicated mixes.
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Location: Willows, CA | It is brought in as rice at any mill USA and ground in to rice meal. From there it may be sold, bagged or used in mixes. If they grind rice that at Manna Pro and then stabilize it, that is great. If not, as it is in other mills, it does not guarantee it hasn't gone thru the same augers and grinders as medicated mixes.
You are talking about two different ingredients here. Rice bran and ground brown or white rice meal are not the same thing. Rice bran is only the outer bran layer that is milled off of the rice kernel, leaving the white starch which is white rice. Rice meal is when the entire kernel is ground up. Rice meal is not stabilized unless it is sold to the bakery industry as brown rice flour. In that case, the rice bran is removed and stabilized, then it is added back to ground white rice flour to make a whole grain rice flour. At any rate, Stabilized Rice Bran (SRB) has the same opportunity to be contaminated as any other feed ingredient if blended in a feed mill. If it is sold as Stabilized Rice Bran in a meal form that is packaged at the rice mill where it was made and stabilized, there is no risk of contamination from medications that are used in the feed industry. My comment was aimed at the question of safety related to MaxE Glo which, in meal form at least, is packaged at the rice mill where is was made. I have no association with MaxE Glo other than to answer that specific question based on my experience with SRB and the fact that I invented and developed it's use in the equine market. Heat will not denature medication contamination in SRB.
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Location: The South | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM
I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies.
Are you friends with Josh Andrews on FB?
I've seen some posts about delivering Blue Bonnet to different areas; I don't know how far south he's going.
I wish you were closer and I'd meet you halfway!
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | LindsayJordan84 - 2015-02-10 7:19 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-10 8:14 AM I've got to buy feed today and am still confused about what to do. I obviously don't need to continue with ADM, but I don't like my other choices, which are Purina and Nutrena. I can get clean local oats and alfalfa pellets for the younger horses, but that doesn't help me with the oldies. Are you friends with Josh Andrews on FB? I've seen some posts about delivering Blue Bonnet to different areas; I don't know how far south he's going. I wish you were closer and I'd meet you halfway! I fed Seniorglo to my old guy...not anymore. So sad.
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-10 10:57 AM This is a Thesis that was written by a student at Kansas State. It's an excellent illustration of the process and the levels of drug carryover that you can expect along the way in the flushing/feed mixing process. I understand that it's a very long paper, but it's a very informational read and has tables toward the end that show the levels of monensin that were present in the supposed unmedicated feed.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/1025/AdrianMartinez-Kawas2008.pdf?sequence=1
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | This is freaking me out!!
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Location: Here | Leo - 2015-02-10 8:27 PM This is freaking me out!! just saying....
We all need to be educated on this and speak up about seperate mills for our horses |
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Location: Here | Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 PM Adm is going to put a hit on me....i copyed the link and posted it all over there facebook page
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | SG. - 2015-02-10 8:30 PM
Leo - 2015-02-10 8:27 PM This is freaking me out!! just saying....
We all need to be educated on this and speak up about seperate mills for our horses
I know, it's just the thought that this could possibly be the culprit for all the 'colicy' horses over the years. Being poisoned and no one knowing any better. Just makes me sick to my stomach. I've lost one to colic and got a baby right now who has 'belly problems'.
I recently switched to Nutrena SafeChoice and even though they assure me that my feed comes from an ionophore free mill, I can't help but wonder if I didn't just trade one evil for another.
I used to feed TC, but had big issues with the consistency. Beginning to think Renew Gold with Chaffehay might just be the way to go.
I need to buy feed tomorrow....I pretty much don't know what to buy and it's stressing me out... |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-10 10:57 AM This is a Thesis that was written by a student at Kansas State. It's an excellent illustration of the process and the levels of drug carryover that you can expect along the way in the flushing/feed mixing process. I understand that it's a very long paper, but it's a very informational read and has tables toward the end that show the levels of monensin that were present in the supposed unmedicated feed.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/1025/AdrianMartinez-Kawas2008.pdf?sequence=1
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Location: Florida.. | Leo - 2015-02-10 9:39 PM SG. - 2015-02-10 8:30 PM Leo - 2015-02-10 8:27 PM This is freaking me out!! just saying.... We all need to be educated on this and speak up about seperate mills for our horses I know, it's just the thought that this could possibly be the culprit for all the 'colicy' horses over the years. Being poisoned and no one knowing any better. Just makes me sick to my stomach. I've lost one to colic and got a baby right now who has 'belly problems'. I recently switched to Nutrena SafeChoice and even though they assure me that my feed comes from an ionophore free mill, I can't help but wonder if I didn't just trade one evil for another. I used to feed TC, but had big issues with the consistency. Beginning to think Renew Gold with Chaffehay might just be the way to go. I need to buy feed tomorrow....I pretty much don't know what to buy and it's stressing me out...
I was thinking about the ones that resembled tying up.. breaking out in sweats.. heart racing.. muscle issues etc to.. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 8:47 PM
Leo - 2015-02-10 9:39 PM SG. - 2015-02-10 8:30 PM Leo - 2015-02-10 8:27 PM This is freaking me out!! just saying.... We all need to be educated on this and speak up about seperate mills for our horses I know, it's just the thought that this could possibly be the culprit for all the 'colicy' horses over the years. Being poisoned and no one knowing any better. Just makes me sick to my stomach. I've lost one to colic and got a baby right now who has 'belly problems'. I recently switched to Nutrena SafeChoice and even though they assure me that my feed comes from an ionophore free mill, I can't help but wonder if I didn't just trade one evil for another. I used to feed TC, but had big issues with the consistency. Beginning to think Renew Gold with Chaffehay might just be the way to go. I need to buy feed tomorrow....I pretty much don't know what to buy and it's stressing me out...
I agree. I've got a friend that has had nothing but trouble with her horse's tying up and having muscle twitch issues. I told her there is a common denominator somewhere and that she just has to find it. I would bet $$$ her good mare is PSSM positive but the other mare doesn't really fit that bill. Now that I think about it, her feed comes from a cattle mill.....has for years and years...
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Location: Arkansas | Shreveport plant for Purina is good----Brenda sent me an email today when I told her what my bag said on the bottom. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | I really hope this information can make the feed companies change but if it does I'm thinking they are gonna make us pay for it!$$$$$$ |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 8:47 PM Leo - 2015-02-10 9:39 PM SG. - 2015-02-10 8:30 PM Leo - 2015-02-10 8:27 PM This is freaking me out!! just saying.... We all need to be educated on this and speak up about seperate mills for our horses I know, it's just the thought that this could possibly be the culprit for all the 'colicy' horses over the years. Being poisoned and no one knowing any better. Just makes me sick to my stomach. I've lost one to colic and got a baby right now who has 'belly problems'. I recently switched to Nutrena SafeChoice and even though they assure me that my feed comes from an ionophore free mill, I can't help but wonder if I didn't just trade one evil for another. I used to feed TC, but had big issues with the consistency. Beginning to think Renew Gold with Chaffehay might just be the way to go. I need to buy feed tomorrow....I pretty much don't know what to buy and it's stressing me out...
This right here is what is freaking me out. My old gelding that is prone to tying up, I had a vet check him at a barrel race because he was sweating and as she put it - "classic signs of heart failure" He's had loose poop, not runny just a little on the loose side. all the rest of my horses are fed plain oats or just on pasture/hay and Woody's to my good mare. The Safechoice I had been feeding my old man may or may not be the culprit to his issues. I feel horrible. I've done what I think is best for my old friend. Who knew. |
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Location: Here | Cya all of us only want the best for our partners I so understand I lost an older horse several years ago to bad feed and I could prove it all they did was replace my feed Just wrong that feed companies know how toxic this crap is and yet they just don't care what it does to the horses |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-10 8:45 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-02-10 10:57 AM This is a Thesis that was written by a student at Kansas State. It's an excellent illustration of the process and the levels of drug carryover that you can expect along the way in the flushing/feed mixing process. I understand that it's a very long paper, but it's a very informational read and has tables toward the end that show the levels of monensin that were present in the supposed unmedicated feed.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/1025/AdrianMartinez-Kawas2008.pdf?sequence=1
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Location: Georgia | Several years ago I had 3 horses to colic and one die from contaminated feed. Just last year one of these horses was diagnosed with a heart arrhythmia and damage that I suspect could have started with that previous bad feed episode. Horse illness/death has occurred with different feed brands in the past. ANY BRAND that is mixed at a facility that is not "Ionophore free" can have contaminated horse feed! You should contact your feed company ( whatever feed you use) and ask if the mill that supplies your store uses Monensin (Rumensin or other Ionophores) at their facility. If they use it, tell them you are changing feed companies! To watch your horses die because of something you fed them is truly heart breaking!
It is time we stand up and DEMAND that all horse feed be mixed at an "ionophore free" facility. Start by going to Facebook sites of ALL feed companies who are playing russian roulette with the lives of our horses. Let them know that we are not going to let this continue! Even if you don't use their feed, please speak up for ALL HORSES! Post & Share on Facebook asking all your friends to support the drive to stop this deadly practice! |
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| Great info on this thread but somewhat overwhelming.
How about a sticky thread with the brand names and locations of acceptable feed?
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Location: Florida.. | It is being spread everywhere.. its not just adm..
adm has just had the issues.. now surface..
Its in eventing magazines and dressage magazines and FB and horsepro and I am sure alot other areas.. This wont settle.. The companies will have to be active to clean this up or they will lose alot more business.. Did we want this to happen?? NO.. most of us Loved our feed companies and LOYAL CUSTOMERS.. I know I was.. but not anymore. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2015-02-10 9:43 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-10 8:47 PM Leo - 2015-02-10 9:39 PM SG. - 2015-02-10 8:30 PM Leo - 2015-02-10 8:27 PM This is freaking me out!! just saying.... We all need to be educated on this and speak up about seperate mills for our horses I know, it's just the thought that this could possibly be the culprit for all the 'colicy' horses over the years. Being poisoned and no one knowing any better. Just makes me sick to my stomach. I've lost one to colic and got a baby right now who has 'belly problems'. I recently switched to Nutrena SafeChoice and even though they assure me that my feed comes from an ionophore free mill, I can't help but wonder if I didn't just trade one evil for another. I used to feed TC, but had big issues with the consistency. Beginning to think Renew Gold with Chaffehay might just be the way to go. I need to buy feed tomorrow....I pretty much don't know what to buy and it's stressing me out...
I have not fed a grain in years but added safe choice this winter for my older retired hard keeper- (side note- he does not look near as good on grain as when he was on renew gold and beet pulp, he was leaving a lot of the beet pulp which is why I put him on grain for the winter). Again BHW has led to better education and better decisions. I am going to take him off the grain and try chaffhaye. Hope your feed was not the cause of his issues, but like others have said, I bet contamination has effected more horses than we will ever know. |
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | In 20 pages of stuff, has anybody kept a list of ionophore-free mills/feed companies? How about a sticky with a list for quick reference?
I feed Seminole Wellness and Seminole Xcelerace all made in an ionophore free facility in lovely Ocala, Florida. |
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Location: Florida.. | TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 10:53 AM In 20 pages of stuff, has anybody kept a list of ionophore-free mills/feed companies? How about a sticky with a list for quick reference?
I feed Seminole Wellness and Seminole Xcelerace all made in an ionophore free facility in lovely Ocala, Florida.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Here is another article - we all need to keep sharing.
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Location: Here | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-11 10:01 AM TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 10:53 AM In 20 pages of stuff, has anybody kept a list of ionophore-free mills/feed companies? How about a sticky with a list for quick reference?
I feed Seminole Wellness and Seminole Xcelerace all made in an ionophore free facility in lovely Ocala, Florida.
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| TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 9:53 AM
In 20 pages of stuff, has anybody kept a list of ionophore-free mills/feed companies? How about a sticky with a list for quick reference?
I feed Seminole Wellness and Seminole Xcelerace all made in an ionophore free facility in lovely Ocala, Florida.
I emailed purina and they answered me that "most" of their mills were ionophores FREE. however there are 4 mills that do mix cattle feed with ionophores and horse feed is made there as well. I'm waiting for an answer back on which 4 mills do this practice. I don't feed purina but I have several friends that do. |
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Location: N Texas | Sorry if this is a repeat: I spoke to Leah at the ADM facility in Comanche, Texas. She told me that they use the same machines for the medicated feed as they do the horse feed. Of course she assured me that they follow strict guidelines for cleaning the machines between processes, but we all know how reliable that can be. So it looks like I'll now be finding a different feed since I've been feeding the PrimeGLO that is manufactured in that facility. |
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| Someone mentioned it before that Mr. Hartley with ADM was following this thread. I know a few other feed manufacturers are to. When I talked to Triple Crown they already had read through all the pages. SOunds like we are causing a big stir! Good! |
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Location: N Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 11:43 AM
Someone mentioned it before that Mr. Hartley with ADM was following this thread. I know a few other feed manufacturers are to. When I talked to Triple Crown they already had read through all the pages. SOunds like we are causing a big stir! Good!
Good! I just sent them an email informing them that I will no longer be buying any of their products because they use the same machines for horse and medicated feed. It's really disappointing because I really liked their feed :( |
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Location: Here | Gunner11 - 2015-02-11 11:22 AM Sorry if this is a repeat: I spoke to Leah at the ADM facility in Comanche, Texas. She told me that they use the same machines for the medicated feed as they do the horse feed. Of course she assured me that they follow strict guidelines for cleaning the machines between processes, but we all know how reliable that can be. So it looks like I'll now be finding a different feed since I've been feeding the PrimeGLO that is manufactured in that facility.
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| SKM - 2015-02-11 12:07 PM
When it comes to using the same machines for horse feed and ionophores...these companies need to realize the "safeguards" are only as good as their worst employee. People screw up. It happens. I'll be ****ed if I trust my horses health to their so called "safeguard" practices.
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Location: Here | SKM - 2015-02-11 12:07 PM When it comes to using the same machines for horse feed and ionophores...these companies need to realize the "safeguards" are only as good as their worst employee. People screw up. It happens. I'll be ****ed if I trust my horses health to their so called "safeguard" practices.
I won't either I am moving on to another feed.... I really don't like the attitude of ADM either at this point. I am getting the feeling these feed companies have known the potential for a problem and just decided oh well, horse people are just dumb. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
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Location: Here | 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision.
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed 
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Seminole
Blue Bonnet
Renew Gold
Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel)
Big V
Woodys
Buckeye
Standlee
Manna Pro
Ametza
Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production line
Total Equine
Tribute
Kalmbach
MFA
Purina
Location-dependent
Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States
Free mills: Seguin, TX (81), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS
Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ
Valdosta?
Not Ionophore-Free
Producers Coop
ADM
Hubbard?
Thomas Moore
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| TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM
OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed Ionophore FreeSeminole Blue Bonnet Renew Gold Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel ) Big V Woodys Buckeye Standlee Manna Pro Ametza Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production lineTotal Equine Tribute Kalmbach MFA Purina "Most" Mills Ionophore FreeCargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ Valdosta? Not Ionophore-FreeProducers Coop ADM Hubbard? Thomas Moore
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Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision.
I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead.
ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion. |
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TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM
OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed Ionophore FreeSeminole Blue Bonnet Renew Gold Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel ) Big V Woodys Buckeye Standlee Manna Pro Ametza Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production lineTotal Equine Tribute Kalmbach MFA Purina "Most" Mills Ionophore FreeCargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ Valdosta? Not Ionophore-FreeProducers Coop ADM Hubbard? Thomas Moore
Can we make this list a sticky?
There are ADM facilities that are ionophore free. Just not every mill so your list is not accurate. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 2:26 PM OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed
Ionophore Free
Seminole
Blue Bonnet
Renew Gold
Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel )
Big V
Woodys
Buckeye
Standlee
Manna Pro
Ametza
Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production line
Total Equine
Tribute
Kalmbach
MFA
Purina
"Most" Mills Ionophore Free
Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States
Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS
Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ
Valdosta?
Not Ionophore-Free
Producers Coop
ADM
Hubbard?
Thomas Moore
No Southern States does not state most are "free". They just say this -
Southern States Cooperative
Feed Safety Statement – January 2015
In light of recent concerns in the horse feed industry regarding contamination of horse feeds, Southern States would like to reassure its customers regarding our feed safety standards. We take extraordinary caution when manufacturing feed to ensure the quality and safety of our feeds for all species. Our safety standards include stringent processes and quality assurance testing on each batch of feed to ensure our feeds are free from contaminants and contain only the ingredients that are safe for the intended species. Specifically in regards to recent concerns in the industry, Southern States has no record of any issue with Monensin in our horse feeds.
Our mills exceed the safety standards required by government regulations. All Southern States feed mills have HACCP (Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point) certification, which is an international program designed to ensure the safety of all food and feed products. We are also certified by the American Feed Industry Association (AFIA) Safe Feed/Safe Food, which defines industry established proper manufacturing practices. AFIA created the program to raise the bar within the industry for feed/food safety practices and awareness. Their program recognizes companies demonstrating their pledge to deliver safe and wholesome feed, while enhancing customer confidence in their products. As a result of our efforts, Southern States mills have been recognized as the AFIA Feed Mill of the Year in 1998, 2007, 2009, 2012 and 2014. |
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I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look.
Which feed was it by blue bonnet? Omega Force doesn't contain Corn and I'm pretty sure all the intensify lines don't have it? I know their nature's blend contains corn. |
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:42 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-02-11 1:40 PM TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed
Ionophore Free
Seminole
Blue Bonnet
Renew Gold
Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel )
Big V
Woodys
Buckeye
Standlee
Manna Pro
Ametza
Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production line
Total Equine
Tribute
Kalmbach
MFA
Purina
"Most" Mills Ionophore Free
Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States
Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS
Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ
Valdosta?
Not Ionophore-Free
Producers Coop
ADM
Hubbard?
Thomas Moore Can we make this list a sticky? There are ADM facilities that are ionophore free. Just not every mill so your list is not accurate.
That's why I need help ya'll - old and tired. Which ones are and which ones arent? |
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 2:43 PM TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 2:26 PM No Southern States does not state most are "free". They just say this -
Southern States Cooperative
Feed Safety Statement – January 2015
In light of recent concerns in the horse feed industry regarding contamination of horse feeds, Southern States would like to reassure its customers regarding our feed safety standards. We take extraordinary caution when manufacturing feed to ensure the quality and safety of our feeds for all species. Our safety standards include stringent processes and quality assurance testing on each batch of feed to ensure our feeds are free from contaminants and contain only the ingredients that are safe for the intended species. Specifically in regards to recent concerns in the industry, Southern States has no record of any issue with Monensin in our horse feeds.
Our mills exceed the safety standards required by government regulations. All Southern States feed mills have HACCP (Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point ) certification, which is an international program designed to ensure the safety of all food and feed products. We are also certified by the American Feed Industry Association (AFIA ) Safe Feed/Safe Food, which defines industry established proper manufacturing practices. AFIA created the program to raise the bar within the industry for feed/food safety practices and awareness. Their program recognizes companies demonstrating their pledge to deliver safe and wholesome feed, while enhancing customer confidence in their products. As a result of our efforts, Southern States mills have been recognized as the AFIA Feed Mill of the Year in 1998, 2007, 2009, 2012 and 2014.
Edited to call it Location-Dependent. Is that more accurate? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision. I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
So we should all look the other way because the cost will be too much for us to afford as lowly horse owners?
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example). |
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Location: Beggs, OK | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 12:52 PM Triple crown told me they send samples out for testing on each batch. I wonder if we could request to see the results from each batch? But knowing most peofit companies they would only publish the ones that are negative, even if they had a few test positive. Persuasive statistics.
Did they say what their allowable amount was though? ADM seems to think that trace amounts aren't toxic to horses even though there are horses that have been exposed to it and are showing to have cardiac damage.....The scary part is that these horses LOOK completely normal. They are only being tested because of known exposure. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look. The Bluebonnet textured feed has corn in it....the Intensify Pelleted products don't.
Edited to clarify that the pelleted feeds don't contain corn.
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Location: Sperry, OK | TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:46 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:42 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-02-11 1:40 PM TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed Ionophore FreeSeminole Blue Bonnet Renew Gold Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel ) Big V Woodys Buckeye Standlee Manna Pro Ametza Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production lineTotal Equine Tribute Kalmbach MFA Purina "Most" Mills Ionophore FreeCargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ Valdosta? Not Ionophore-FreeProducers Coop ADM Hubbard? Thomas Moore Can we make this list a sticky? There are ADM facilities that are ionophore free. Just not every mill so your list is not accurate.
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| want2chase3 - 2015-02-11 11:45 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM
I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look.
Which feed was it by blue bonnet? Omega Force doesn't contain Corn and I'm pretty sure all the intensify lines don't have it? I know their nature's blend contains corn.
It in fact was the intensify. THe one on the black bag? Let me see if I can look up the link
Its the INTENSIFY Textured 14/8 that has corn.
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want2chase3 - 2015-02-11 11:45 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM
I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look.
Which feed was it by blue bonnet? Omega Force doesn't contain Corn and I'm pretty sure all the intensify lines don't have it? I know their nature's blend contains corn.
It in fact was the intensify. THe one on the black bag? Let me see if I can look up the link
It's the textured feed that contains corn. I feed the pelleted. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 2:29 PM want2chase3 - 2015-02-11 11:45 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look. Which feed was it by blue bonnet? Omega Force doesn't contain Corn and I'm pretty sure all the intensify lines don't have it? I know their nature's blend contains corn. It in fact was the intensify. THe one on the black bag? Let me see if I can look up the link
I didn't look them all up, but the Intensify Omega Force doesn't contain corn.
http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/172455_Omega-Force-Fab_Sht.pdf |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-11 2:08 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look. The Bluebonnet textured feed has corn in it....the Intensify Pelleted products don't.
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Location: Beggs, OK | I just had another thought.
The next time you visit your vet you might consider running a CBC. It's nice to know where your horses levels are "normally". Then when something comes up you will have a baseline to compare too. You also might find an imbalance that could help to shed some light on a problem you may be having.
In all of the research that I've done on this subject I've learned that you can't have too much information. There are horses that are otherwise normal as far as looks and activity that are showing elevated cardiac troponin levels indicative of heart damage. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM
OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed Ionophore FreeSeminole Blue Bonnet Renew Gold Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel ) Big V Woodys Buckeye Standlee Manna Pro Ametza Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production lineTotal Equine Tribute Kalmbach MFA Purina Location-dependentCargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ Valdosta? Not Ionophore-FreeProducers Coop ADM Hubbard? Thomas Moore
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Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision. I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example).
This is not my reasoning per say this is what I have heard and seen. I am trying to share the fact that when there are limited supplies of horse safe mills, the price, the freight, the supply and demand will reflect double the cost in my opinion. So when there is a thread about why is corn $200 a bushel yet my feed costs keep going up? We will understand that we made this happen. People will then decide if they want a horse that requires feed that cost $30 a bag.
I think it needs to happen. I am just saying, we can not then complain about the cost of change. Higher paid employees, computerized feed batching, cameras to record feed makers, testing, more bins, regulation period, you surely get the point. Not my point, just a point.
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Location: Here | Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 4:31 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 1:48 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision. I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example). This is not my reasoning per say this is what I have heard and seen. I am trying to share the fact that when there are limited supplies of horse safe mills, the price, the freight, the supply and demand will reflect double the cost in my opinion. So when there is a thread about why is corn $200 a bushel yet my feed costs keep going up? We will understand that we made this happen. People will then decide if they want a horse that requires feed that cost $30 a bag. I think it needs to happen. I am just saying, we can not then complain about the cost of change. Higher paid employees, computerized feed batching, cameras to record feed makers, testing, more bins, regulation period, you surely get the point. Not my point, just a point.
I disagree They are making plenty on horse feed! And if other mills can make it in ionophore free mills so can teh big names. Purina did it! |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I also disagree with a part of your answer. The reason Seminole in ,Florida is only $14.95 for a 14% 7% fat. 50 lb bag. And it is a good feed. Actually that is only 70 cents more then the ADM I was feeding. |
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Location: Florida.. | SG. - 2015-02-11 5:46 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 4:31 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 1:48 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision. I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example). This is not my reasoning per say this is what I have heard and seen. I am trying to share the fact that when there are limited supplies of horse safe mills, the price, the freight, the supply and demand will reflect double the cost in my opinion. So when there is a thread about why is corn $200 a bushel yet my feed costs keep going up? We will understand that we made this happen. People will then decide if they want a horse that requires feed that cost $30 a bag. I think it needs to happen. I am just saying, we can not then complain about the cost of change. Higher paid employees, computerized feed batching, cameras to record feed makers, testing, more bins, regulation period, you surely get the point. Not my point, just a point.
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SG. - 2015-02-11 5:46 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 4:31 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 1:48 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision. I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example). This is not my reasoning per say this is what I have heard and seen. I am trying to share the fact that when there are limited supplies of horse safe mills, the price, the freight, the supply and demand will reflect double the cost in my opinion. So when there is a thread about why is corn $200 a bushel yet my feed costs keep going up? We will understand that we made this happen. People will then decide if they want a horse that requires feed that cost $30 a bag. I think it needs to happen. I am just saying, we can not then complain about the cost of change. Higher paid employees, computerized feed batching, cameras to record feed makers, testing, more bins, regulation period, you surely get the point. Not my point, just a point.
I feel like I'm paying premium prices for my blue bonnet at $25.85 a bag for the blue bonnet I'm buying. But to me it's worth it. I was paying $23 for my TC a few bucks more is fine by me for peace of mind. Last time I checked the ADM 12% was going for $18 a bag and the SR. Glow was going for around $25. I agree with all that say if Purina can change their ways for safety why can't the others and still be cost effective? If Blue Bonnet wasn't available to me I would be comfortable feeding purina, personally. I never got the information on the 4 mills that purina produces medicated livestock feed along with equine feed, they asked for my telephone # so they could contact me. but the email from them said they use totally different machines. So there is no chance of cross contamination. Not just following strict guidelines for "flushing " . |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed
Ionophore Free
Seminole
Blue Bonnet
Renew Gold
Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel )
Big V
Woodys
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Standlee
Manna Pro
Ametza
Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production line
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Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States
Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS
Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ
Valdosta?
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Producers Coop
ADM
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-11 2:23 PM I could be wrong on this but I'm not 100% sure the mill in Seguin for tc is "free" I'm trying to find my emails from them regarding that mill.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-11 6:40 PM SG. - 2015-02-11 5:46 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 4:31 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 1:48 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision. I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example). This is not my reasoning per say this is what I have heard and seen. I am trying to share the fact that when there are limited supplies of horse safe mills, the price, the freight, the supply and demand will reflect double the cost in my opinion. So when there is a thread about why is corn $200 a bushel yet my feed costs keep going up? We will understand that we made this happen. People will then decide if they want a horse that requires feed that cost $30 a bag. I think it needs to happen. I am just saying, we can not then complain about the cost of change. Higher paid employees, computerized feed batching, cameras to record feed makers, testing, more bins, regulation period, you surely get the point. Not my point, just a point.
The price difference is found in their marketing costs and their ingredients. Purina has never been known for buying the best grade grains available as their costs go into advertisement and pretty bags. |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-02-11 7:41 PM
want2chase3 - 2015-02-11 2:23 PM I could be wrong on this but I'm not 100% sure the mill in Seguin for tc is "free" I'm trying to find my emails from them regarding that mill.
Triple Crown mill in Sequin, TX (81) is safe and free of ionophores.
Good to know. I've gotten too many emails the last few days from different feed companies. Think I'll make a little list too. Just in case . |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin. Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed.
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc. They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them.
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Location: Florida.. | ADM said your feed was fine............................but you privately tested it and it tested positive.
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| 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 7:31 AM
I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin. Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed.
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc. They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them.
Wow!! I've got two ADM dealers out here still happily loading feed into people's trucks. Such a shame... |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 7:31 AM I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin. Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed.
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc. They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them.
Holy crap. Can you say "nail in the coffin"? I was already done, but this totally reinforced the decision. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 8:31 AM
I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin. Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed.
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc. They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them.
WOW - so glad you were pro-active. Thank you for sharing this first-hand very valuable information. This is an amazing thread of knowledge. There are so many wonderful pages to this thread and I know many of us are following it daily to stay informed. I don't want to take away from this thread and cause confusion but would you feel comfortable sharing your results in a separate post on here? Maybe those who just skim the topics would catch it that way. Thank you again for sharing. |
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| 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 7:31 AM
I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin. Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed.
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc. They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them.
Wow! Lying to your face, UNBELIEVABLE! Hope everything turns out ok for you. |
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ADM has likely TOTALLY underestimated the reach of the internet forums and social media. They tried to just brush this under the rug and figure only a few folks will ever really know what caused their horses to become sick or die. Think how many small individual folks bought this feed and may never know that this could be what killed their horse or made it sick. or...down the road when it's heart fails...will they even think of feed from way back as being a possibility?
The MINUTE the first samples came back positive for Monesin contamination...ANY Monesin contamination...they should have Recalled those Lot numbers. Just to be safe and to do further tests. By being heartless greedy businessmen...and in choosing to deny and downplay any problem...in my mind they are RESPONSIBLE for any subsequent horse deaths or illness caused by their contaminated product.
Mistakes happen...machines and people fail...but OWN IT. They will never see a dime of my money...or the money of anyone I know as I will be sure to point them to all of this information. ADM better have a lot of cattle feed customers...because they won't likely have very many horse owners purchasing their products once the word gets out about their lack of action and denials.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | TrailGirl - 2015-02-12 10:22 AM ADM has likely TOTALLY underestimated the reach of the internet forums and social media. They tried to just brush this under the rug and figure only a few folks will ever really know what caused their horses to become sick or die. Think how many small individual folks bought this feed and may never know that this could be what killed their horse or made it sick. or...down the road when it's heart fails...will they even think of feed from way back as being a possibility? The MINUTE the first samples came back positive for Monesin contamination...ANY Monesin contamination...they should have Recalled those Lot numbers. Just to be safe and to do further tests. By being heartless greedy businessmen...and in choosing to deny and downplay any problem...in my mind they are RESPONSIBLE for any subsequent horse deaths or illness caused by their contaminated product. Mistakes happen...machines and people fail...but OWN IT. They will never see a dime of my money...or the money of anyone I know as I will be sure to point them to all of this information. ADM better have a lot of cattle feed customers...because they won't likely have very many horse owners purchasing their products once the word gets out about their lack of action and denials.
They knew about my contamination on Jan 4. They knew the lot numbers on Jan 5 when they came to my home. Yet, as you stated they did nothing towards a recall. |
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Location: Here | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-12 9:11 AM 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 7:31 AM I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin. Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed.
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc. They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them. Holy crap. Can you say "nail in the coffin"? I was already done, but this totally reinforced the decision. 
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Location: Texas | I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? |
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Location: Here | RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found?
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Location: Texas | SG. - 2015-02-12 10:14 AM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? You have to call
My feed store put me in touch with the sales rep. The paper tag said Triple Crown Senior (BY) and he said that would be Byhalia, MS which makes sense. Now I can take a breath. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 9:35 AM TrailGirl - 2015-02-12 10:22 AM ADM has likely TOTALLY underestimated the reach of the internet forums and social media. They tried to just brush this under the rug and figure only a few folks will ever really know what caused their horses to become sick or die. Think how many small individual folks bought this feed and may never know that this could be what killed their horse or made it sick. or...down the road when it's heart fails...will they even think of feed from way back as being a possibility? The MINUTE the first samples came back positive for Monesin contamination...ANY Monesin contamination...they should have Recalled those Lot numbers. Just to be safe and to do further tests. By being heartless greedy businessmen...and in choosing to deny and downplay any problem...in my mind they are RESPONSIBLE for any subsequent horse deaths or illness caused by their contaminated product. Mistakes happen...machines and people fail...but OWN IT. They will never see a dime of my money...or the money of anyone I know as I will be sure to point them to all of this information. ADM better have a lot of cattle feed customers...because they won't likely have very many horse owners purchasing their products once the word gets out about their lack of action and denials. They knew about my contamination on Jan 4. They knew the lot numbers on Jan 5 when they came to my home. Yet, as you stated they did nothing towards a recall.
This is what they are referring to when they say "negative at the detectable limits for the test". They consider anything less than 1ppm to be undetectable...Although this is a trace amount, it should not be disregarded. If a small amount is found a larger amount could be present. "Hot spots" happen....this might be the only amount and it might be the smallest amount.
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Location: Texas | RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:52 AM SG. - 2015-02-12 10:14 AM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? You have to call
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RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:52 AM SG. - 2015-02-12 10:14 AM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? You have to call
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Location: Sperry, OK | List of representative biological ionophores
With the ion(s) they act upon:If your feed mill uses any of the above listed medications in their cattle feeds, and horse feed is run on the same mill, buyer be ware. The above list are all Ionophores and are toxic to horses. The ionophore monensin (Rumensin) is about ten times more toxic to a horse than lasalosid (Bovatec). This is where the issues with BIG V feeds in coming into play. They don't use Rumensin, but THEY DO USE LASALOSID (Bovatec).
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Location: East Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-12 12:05 PM scamper - 2015-02-12 11:39 AM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:52 AM SG. - 2015-02-12 10:14 AM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? You have to call Mine too..but I'm still returning it since I've already switched them over to Blue bonnet.
My husband called triple crown today and talked with them . They are sending a rep out to test my feed, along with what I have already got ready to send off. We are waiting on a call back now to see what mill my bag came from. They said 2 out of their 3 are safe. They also explained they guarantee their feeds. We shall see, I will post my results and the rest of the conversation when they call back. FYI: I have not fed that feed since what happened to my gelding on January 10 |
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Location: Beggs, OK | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-02-12 2:28 PM List of representative biological ionophores
With the ion (s ) they act upon:
If your feed mill uses any of the above listed medications in their cattle feeds, and horse feed is run on the same mill, buyer be ware. The above list are all Ionophores and are toxic to horses. The ionophore monensin (Rumensin) is about ten times more toxic to a horse than lasalosid (Bovatec). This is where the issues with BIG V feeds in coming into play. They don't use Rumensin, but THEY DO USE LASALOSID (Bovatec).
The jury is out on Lasalocid. I've found a study that says that extremely small amounts of Lasalocid have resulted in neurotoxicity.....The signs are strangely similar to the symptoms that we are seeing and assuming to be EPM. (We have treated 8 horses in the past two years for EPM) If you can't read from this link. The study was published in 2012 and involves 82 horses and ponies that were exposed to low levels of Monensin and Lasalocid. The title is -Acute and Long-Term Cardiomyopathy and Delayed Neurotoxicity after Accidental Lasalocid Poisoning in Horses.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1939-1676.2012.00933.x/pdf |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? I spoke with Stacey from TC and they were having consistency problems with the Meneola mill which I know is true as I had called numerous times about the feed I got there. They quit using that mill and switched to the Sequin Mill but the sprayers were having problems with the thickness of the added fat so Sequin had to be retrofitted with new sprayers. While that mill was down, they had to ship feed from other mills until the Sequin mill was back up and functioning. Sequin Mill (81) is ionophore free. Mill (43) has segregrated mixing areas..one for equine and one for cattle feed. I do know feed came all the way from Byhalia, MS to take care of Texas customers and that is also an ionophore free mill marked as BYH.
Triple Crown has been very good with communicating with their customers and their conerns and take all of this very seriously. I do not know of any problems with Triple Crown Feeds.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2015-02-12 4:14 PM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? I spoke with Stacey from TC and they were having consistency problems with the Meneola mill which I know is true as I had called numerous times about the feed I got there. They quit using that mill and switched to the Sequin Mill but the sprayers were having problems with the thickness of the added fat so Sequin had to be retrofitted with new sprayers. While that mill was down, they had to ship feed from other mills until the Sequin mill was back up and functioning. Sequin Mill (81) is ionophore free. Mill (43) has segregrated mixing areas..one for equine and one for cattle feed. I do know feed came all the way from Byhalia, MS to take care of Texas customers and that is also an ionophore free mill marked as BYH.
Triple Crown has been very good with communicating with their customers and their conerns and take all of this very seriously. I do not know of any problems with Triple Crown Feeds.
The only problem I have with Triple Crown is that here in GA a lot of their products are made in a mill which does both, cattle and horse.
However, Southern States has been very pro active about trying to educate their customers which is a plus, compared to ADM which says basically - feed it and follow the sheep :)
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 3:19 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-12 4:14 PM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? I spoke with Stacey from TC and they were having consistency problems with the Meneola mill which I know is true as I had called numerous times about the feed I got there. They quit using that mill and switched to the Sequin Mill but the sprayers were having problems with the thickness of the added fat so Sequin had to be retrofitted with new sprayers. While that mill was down, they had to ship feed from other mills until the Sequin mill was back up and functioning. Sequin Mill (81) is ionophore free. Mill (43) has segregrated mixing areas..one for equine and one for cattle feed. I do know feed came all the way from Byhalia, MS to take care of Texas customers and that is also an ionophore free mill marked as BYH.
Triple Crown has been very good with communicating with their customers and their conerns and take all of this very seriously. I do not know of any problems with Triple Crown Feeds.
However, Southern States has been very pro active about trying to educate their customers which is a plus, compared to ADM which says basically - feed it and follow the sheep :)
Does anyone know if the mills hire illegals or even legals that don't comprehend very well?
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | By law they are not supposed to hire illegals. But who knows. |
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| 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 3:31 PM
By law they are not supposed to hire illegals. But who knows.
Yeaaah, right. We are starting a construction job in South Texas and you would not believe how many concrete crews want my brother to hire them that are illegals. By that I mean, no green card, no legal papers at all for ANYBODY in the crew, including the guy who owns the business. We won't use them but the big construction companies do. And let me tell you, they get REAL p@&$y when you tell them no. They know they work cheaper and expect you to hire them. So, yeah, I would bet the mills have people who are illegal or can't speak/understand English. |
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Location: Florida.. | Sorry if this has been posted already.....Southern States.. Triple Crown
http://youtu.be/6EZ1Q5NRPjU
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| If a horse has been exposed to rumensin what is the chance they have heart damage? What are the symptoms of exposure? A rep. from Hubbard is coming to pick up a sample of my feed for testing. Talked to him on the phone today and he said it is "highly unlikely but can't say with 100% certainty that the feed was not contaminated" My feed was made in a plant that also makes feeds with rumensin. |
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Location: Kansas | One of my mares has a heart murmur. Wondering now if it has anything to do with feed :( I don't think this has been asked already, but sorry if it has.... I know a lot of people will feed Calf Manna to put weight on a horse... I wonder if it has monensin added in. |
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| HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-12 6:07 PM
One of my mares has a heart murmur. Wondering now if it has anything to do with feed :( I don't think this has been asked already, but sorry if it has.... I know a lot of people will feed Calf Manna to put weight on a horse... I wonder if it has monensin added in.
Calf Manna is made by Manna Pro, who also makes Max E Glo rice bran. I contacted them and was told they are an ionophore free mill. |
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Location: Texas | I was feeding TC and the feed store owner went to Mineola to pick up the last feed bags I bought. I found cattle range cubes in several of the bags which obviously they produce cattle feed at that mill. Thankfully I only fed TC for 3 months. During that time period I had a horse colic and 2 that have strangle like symptoms. My horses aren't the "colicky" or "sick" type. I have since switched to Bluebonnet and am pleased so far. I can't verify that the TC had any connection with the issues my horses are experiencing. However, I find it coincidental that when I switched to TC I started having symptoms I hadn’t experienced previously. Very frustrating!
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Location: TN | If anyone is thinking about going with Renew Gold I highly recommend speaking with winwillows.....very knowledgable man!!! |
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Location: Florida.. | Wallace eventing has dropped their sponsors .ADM.. |
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Location: Here | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-02-12 2:28 PM List of representative biological ionophores
With the ion (s ) they act upon:
If your feed mill uses any of the above listed medications in their cattle feeds, and horse feed is run on the same mill, buyer be ware. The above list are all Ionophores and are toxic to horses. The ionophore monensin (Rumensin) is about ten times more toxic to a horse than lasalosid (Bovatec). This is where the issues with BIG V feeds in coming into play. They don't use Rumensin, but THEY DO USE LASALOSID (Bovatec).
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Location: Here | MrsHound - 2015-02-12 5:29 PM If a horse has been exposed to rumensin what is the chance they have heart damage? What are the symptoms of exposure? A rep. from Hubbard is coming to pick up a sample of my feed for testing. Talked to him on the phone today and he said it is "highly unlikely but can't say with 100% certainty that the feed was not contaminated" My feed was made in a plant that also makes feeds with rumensin.
Please do you own independent testing. as 3cans has proven you can't trust big corp testing |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I've been feeding Nutrena SC Sr to my gelding. He's had diarrhea, not eating well and acting sluggish...more than normal. Someone on Facebook posted a picture of their feed that didn't look consistant. Mine looked very similar to it so I dug through the garbage and found the bag with the lot number. I'm going to try and copy and paste the FB conversation. I'm still waiting for a reply. I feel like they are brushing me off and I will be sending my feed in to an independant lab in Brookings, SD.
So it won't let me paste it but first they said it was a monensin free facility. I asked if there was any medicated feed run through there at all and they said - none that would make a horse sick. I then asked exactly what ionophores were run through there. I just heard back and they said they would check with the plant manager in the morning. I'm sick to my stomach, on the verge of tears, and starting to get really ****ed.
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Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-12 7:54 PM I've been feeding Nutrena SC Sr to my gelding. He's had diarrhea, not eating well and acting sluggish...more than normal. Someone on Facebook posted a picture of their feed that didn't look consistant. Mine looked very similar to it so I dug through the garbage and found the bag with the lot number. I'm going to try and copy and paste the FB conversation. I'm still waiting for a reply. I feel like they are brushing me off and I will be sending my feed in to an independant lab in Brookings, SD.
So it won't let me paste it but first they said it was a monensin free facility. I asked if there was any medicated feed run through there at all and they said - none that would make a horse sick. I then asked exactly what ionophores were run through there. I just heard back and they said they would check with the plant manager in the morning. I'm sick to my stomach, on the verge of tears, and starting to get really ****ed.
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| SG. - 2015-02-12 6:38 PM MrsHound - 2015-02-12 5:29 PM If a horse has been exposed to rumensin what is the chance they have heart damage? What are the symptoms of exposure? A rep. from Hubbard is coming to pick up a sample of my feed for testing. Talked to him on the phone today and he said it is "highly unlikely but can't say with 100% certainty that the feed was not contaminated" My feed was made in a plant that also makes feeds with rumensin. Please do you own independent testing. as 3cans has proven you can't trust big corp testing
Taking a sample to my vet tomorrow and she is sending it in to get tested...praying it is negative |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | Nutrena's mill in Kansas City is ionophore free.
Hello KD,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin.
[Rest of e-mail is the same canned "FDA Good Practices-HACCP" yadda-yadda-yadda response]
Thanks,
Jolene M. Wright, M.S.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | ghost rider - 2015-02-12 9:08 PM Nutrena's mill in Kansas City is ionophore free.
Hello KD,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin.
[Rest of e-mail is the same canned "FDA Good Practices-HACCP" yadda-yadda-yadda response]
Thanks,
Jolene M. Wright, M.S.
Cargill Feed & Nutrition
Nutrena first told me that the New Richland, MN plant was monesin free but when I questioned if ANY medicated feed was run through there they started to backtrack and now I learned that there is medicated feed through the facility. I'm waiting to find out exactly what it is. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I read through the list of medicated mills across the country and yes the Kansas City Nutrena plant IS making medicated feeds. |
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Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-12 9:54 PM I read through the list of medicated mills across the country and yes the Kansas City Nutrena plant IS making medicated feeds.
what is even scarer is that medicated "liquid" mills, dont have to be liste or licensed |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | There's a link on this site that gives the list of medicated feed facilities. If Nutrena is telling you the KC facility is monesin free then they're using a different ionophore because yes they are a medicated facilty
.http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/Products/AnimalFoodFeeds/MedicatedFeed/ucm2007993.htm
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| Those that have had horses get sick and feed test positive, what are your plans for your horse? Retirement? Perfomance? Breeding? If my test results come back positive I will get mine checked out, are there any tests to be sure there is no heart damage? One is my good finished horse and one is my broodmare My broodmare didn't have as violent a reaction as my barrel horse did, she would stretch down as low as she could in the front everytime I went out to feed (not normal behavior). My barrel horse acted colicy, it was strange because she wasnt dehydrated, she was eating, she was passing stool, had good gut sounds but she would run over and drop and roll every few minutes...Stretch out like she need to pee, was sweating and rapidly breathing. Within an hour of this episode she was fine, had settled down and was resting. This episode happened about one to two hours after her morning grain.
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Location: Florida.. | We also held our breath as we went through a round of echocardiograms on Friday and received the news that one of the four horses has measurable cardiac abnormalities consistent with monensin exposure.
He was discharged with instructions for complete rest until we can determine that he has returned to normal cardiac function.
Still other horses are being cleared to proceed with exercise ECG’s to determine the functionality of the heart during increased activity. It is exhausting to experience a measure of relief and devastation in the same day and we are only getting started. We are doing everything in our power to ensure that the horses are monitored and the best diagnostic procedures are available to them.”
After pulling blood samples and sending them to the University of Florida for testing, Andrew and his team were relieved to find, on January 31, that their horses were on the road to picking back up with full work. Royal Palm Farm continues to monitor and test their horses so as to keep abreast of any changes that may signify further trouble. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Delayed toxicity is what everyone is going to need to look out for. A horse that's fine now may take 2-4 months to show signs of a problem. Getting a baseline Cardiac Troponin level now and checking it once a month for a while will help give you some information. This is just a serum sample blood test. Vets will tell you that it's not useful if it's not taken soon after exposure, but I've seen several instances where that is not true. A cardiac workup at a vet facility will also help to rule out possible damage. They can do ultrasounds for function and an exercising ECG. A full CBC will be able to tell you if there is inflammation that needs to be checked out.
If you suspect your horse has been exposed definitely get CBC and cardiac troponin testing done once a month for a few months and evaluate to see if there's a need to go further with the cardiac testing. Royal Palm has had horses that show normal troponin levels have evidence of heart abnormalities on ECG though. |
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Location: N Texas | Yesterday afternoon I took six unopened bags of ADM PrimeGLO back to the feed store and exchanged it for Renew Gold. I talked to the owner about it because she was wondering why I suddenly decided to stop feeding it after so long. I told her about my conversation with the ADM rep at the facility that the feed is manufactured, and how they run the horse feed and the medicated feed through the same machines. She wasn't too pleased to find out that they did that, she said they should never go through the same machines. She told me she would give them a call and talk to the "higher ups" to figure out what's going on. She was very understanding about it and agreed that I shouldn't take a chance getting my horses sick. So I have no idea what they're going to do about carrying ADM feeds in their store. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I ordered some Renew Gold from our TSC store and when I went to pick it up the guy told me I wouldn't have to order it anymore since all of a sudden he has been getting a lot of requests for it. I asked him if he knew what was going on with tainted feed and he didn't have a clue what was going on. He does now. Plus the store down the road where I was getting it...went up to $42.00 a bag and TSC sells it for $29.95.
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Location: Beggs, OK | I picked up some more Chaffhaye yesterday for my old girl. It's still running $13.95 a bag. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I do know that there is going to be another news article out on the monensin posioning soon. And, hopefully, more info with it from the FDA. 
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-02-13 9:18 AM
I ordered some Renew Gold from our TSC store and when I went to pick it up the guy told me I wouldn't have to order it anymore since all of a sudden he has been getting a lot of requests for it. I asked him if he knew what was going on with tainted feed and he didn't have a clue what was going on. He does now. Plus the store down the road where I was getting it...went up to $42.00 a bag and TSC sells it for $29.95.
I have had one of mine on Renew Gold since November and he did so well I switched my hard keeper to it also. My feed store was selling it for $38.95 a bag when I started and now it's $42.50! This really made me mad so I called my local TSC and they ordered some for me . Why do they want to gouge us? More than $10 more a bag is ridiculous. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-13 7:32 AM Delayed toxicity is what everyone is going to need to look out for. A horse that's fine now may take 2-4 months to show signs of a problem. Getting a baseline Cardiac Troponin level now and checking it once a month for a while will help give you some information. This is just a serum sample blood test. Vets will tell you that it's not useful if it's not taken soon after exposure, but I've seen several instances where that is not true. A cardiac workup at a vet facility will also help to rule out possible damage. They can do ultrasounds for function and an exercising ECG. A full CBC will be able to tell you if there is inflammation that needs to be checked out.
If you suspect your horse has been exposed definitely get CBC and cardiac troponin testing done once a month for a few months and evaluate to see if there's a need to go further with the cardiac testing. Royal Palm has had horses that show normal troponin levels have evidence of heart abnormalities on ECG though.
Thanks for the info. My vet is being very proactive about this and helping me get the feed tested. If it comes back positive we are ready to roll on testing. Very nerve-racking! |
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Location: Here | http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/wallace-eventing-drops-adm-equine-feed-sponsorship.aspx
Wallace Eventing Drops ADM Equine Feed Sponsorship
by RMHP Staff, Georgia based event rider Elisa Wallace announced Thursday she is parting ways with ADM Alliance Nutrition, Inc. Controversy has surrounded ADM recently due to the company's response amid allegations its feed is contaminated with monensin. Wallace said in a statement she can no longer endorse ADM's horse feed because she is unwilling to support any product that she doesn't use with confidence. "I have decided to relinquish my sponsorship, in light of the actions, or lack thereof, of ADM in the monensin contamination cases," she says. According to lab results, ADM Patriot Performance 12-10, ADM Patriot Junior, and ADM Alliance Nutrition 12% have tested positive for monensin. The feed was produced at a mill in Cordele, Georgia. Despite test results showing contamination, the feed remains on store shelves. ADM company representatives at the corporate and local level are telling customers the feed is safe for their horses to eat, according to multiple sources. Monensin is used to improve feed efficiency in cattle and can be found in premix formulas. Cross-contamination in the milling process during the formulation of equine feed, due to human error, is one way horses can become exposed. Monensin is highly poisonous to horses and affects the heart and skeletal muscles. The level of toxicity is dose and individual dependent. "Trust is imperative in any relationship and I feel that has been lost," Wallace said in a statement. "My horses come first over any sponsorship and horse owners should not have to worry about feeding their horses poison. Monensin should not be in horse feed." A call to Wallace was not immediately returned. A FDA spokesperson recently told Rate My Horse PRO, "there is no acceptable amount of monensin allowed in equine feed – it is not approved.” A message for ADM was not immediately returned. Stay with Rate My Horse PRO as we continue following this developing story. |
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though)
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Location: Here | CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 11:53 AM For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though)
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Location: Willows, CA | CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 11:53 AM
For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though)
No matter what feed you use, it is in everyone's best interest to understand how to read the production date that is printed on the bag. Once a manufacturer makes the feed and sends it to distribution, how it is stored and rotated out of the distributors warehouse and then rotated out of storage in the feed store can mean that you always have the potential to get old feed. If the dating on the bag is not easily understood, call the feed company and ask them to clearly explain to you how to read the date code. On Renew Gold, the date of production is on the bottom sewn tape strip. It will be four ink numbers. The first number is the year, now a "5". The next three numbers are the day of the year, starting from 001 to represent January 1st, to 365 representing December 31. You should always look at this when you buy a bag of feed, no matter who made it. |
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | SG. - 2015-02-13 12:00 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 11:53 AM For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though) the only way you will know is to pay to have it tested. I would take it back and get $ back
Yes I understand, but it is beyond ridiculous that we as horse owners are being put though this! You purchase feed "thinking" it's safe, now we must have ours horses tested. Worry and stress, plus out of pocket cost on us all caused by cover up and greed..... Unbelievable..... |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I'm excited! I just got a call from the FDA. They are working on it.............................. |
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Location: Here | 3canstorun - 2015-02-13 1:14 PM
I'm excited! I just got a call from the FDA. They are working on it..............................
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Location: Beggs, OK | 3canstorun - 2015-02-13 1:14 PM I'm excited! I just got a call from the FDA. They are working on it..............................
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | mreklaw - 2015-02-13 10:10 AM Nevertooold - 2015-02-13 9:18 AM I ordered some Renew Gold from our TSC store and when I went to pick it up the guy told me I wouldn't have to order it anymore since all of a sudden he has been getting a lot of requests for it. I asked him if he knew what was going on with tainted feed and he didn't have a clue what was going on. He does now. Plus the store down the road where I was getting it...went up to $42.00 a bag and TSC sells it for $29.95. I have had one of mine on Renew Gold since November and he did so well I switched my hard keeper to it also. My feed store was selling it for $38.95 a bag when I started and now it's $42.50! This really made me mad so I called my local TSC and they ordered some for me . Why do they want to gouge us? More than $10 more a bag is ridiculous.
This is my guess...There isn't much mark up in feed so when you have a bag of feed that you only feed 1# a day you are only selling 1 bag for 30 days. If you are feeding 6#'s of another feed that comes to 180#'s a month that comes to over 3 bags a month for one horse.
I found that the feed stores around me consider Renew Gold a supplement and not a feed and they mark up as such and charge tax. TSC considers it a feed and doesn't tax it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-13 12:36 PM Triple crown told me feed is good for 45 days in summer and 90 days winter. A year is nuts.
Triple Crown doesn't use all the preservatives like many other feed companies and is why their expiration of feed is so much sooner and is the reason they have been my choice of feeds. I really got upset over the consistency of the Triple Crown coming out of the Meneola mill and quit feeding it for awhile and just went back as I mix a couple of cups of it with beet bulp and give Renew Gold in the morning. I'm thrilled Triple Crown no longer uses the Meneola mill as I just bought a bag today and it is the supremo feed that I started to feed years ago.
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Location: Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-02-13 2:18 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-13 12:36 PM Triple crown told me feed is good for 45 days in summer and 90 days winter. A year is nuts. Triple Crown doesn't use all the preservatives like many other feed companies and is why their expiration of feed is so much sooner and is the reason they have been my choice of feeds. I really got upset over the consistency of the Triple Crown coming out of the Meneola mill and quit feeding it for awhile and just went back as I mix a couple of cups of it with beet bulp and give Renew Gold in the morning. I'm thrilled Triple Crown no longer uses the Meneola mill as I just bought a bag today and it is the supremo feed that I started to feed years ago.
The Mineola mill closed in October. The TC Senior that I have gotten in the last few months has been from Mississippi and looks good. At this point I am sticking with TC. My son feeds Total Equine and they really like it but I thought my one horse didn't look as good on TE. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Can we make awareness pamphlets? Like to hand out at barrel races??? |
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Location: East Texas | So I had a rep contact me from triple crown. He said my bag came from Arizona, which he said is free. I just read back and according to the list here it's nott. He said they don't use monesin or rumesin. They will use beauvison, but I just saw that can be an issue too! He said he prefers the shelf life to be 60 days and mine was 80. According to him he never gets bad calls or complaints about it. Honestly I'm still not satisfied with that answer. They are coming to pick my sack up and have it tested too.
Also, just called casa grande, az mill and they said they didn't manufacturers triple crown feeds. I am so confused
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 12:53 PM For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though)
That is the Alliance Patriot feed.. not performance but that is the type of feed that killed the few down south of florida I think.. not sure though..... adm makes patriot performance and reg patriot.. |
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| Run n on faith - 2015-02-13 2:40 PM
So I had a rep contact me from triple crown. He said my bag came from Arizona, which he said is free. I just read back and according to the list here it's nott. He said they don't use monesin or rumesin. They will use beauvison, but I just saw that can be an issue too! He said he prefers the shelf life to be 60 days and mine was 80. According to him he never gets bad calls or complaints about it. Honestly I'm still not satisfied with that answer. They are coming to pick my sack up and have it tested too.
Also, just called casa grande, az mill and they said they didn't manufacturers triple crown feeds. I am so confused
Does your TC tag say CG? Mine all comes from there to! Casa grande. Yes they make it and according to Stacey at TC they do make medicated cattle feed there. I have never had a problem. I have couple bags left and might switch. |
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Ice Cream with Sprinkles on Top
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 4:46 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 12:53 PM For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though) That is the Alliance Patriot feed.. not performance but that is the type of feed that killed the few down south of florida I think.. not sure though..... adm makes patriot performance and reg patriot..
Thank you for responding Bibliafarm! I had been feeding Ultimn for years, but heard good things about ADM and finally found a dealer close, well 30 miles from me and started feeding this not knowing any of these problems were going on. Im just sick to death and kicking myself for switching to ADM in the first place. My horses eat about half a bag or so but I took them off it immediately when I started reading this post. Didn't know there was a difference in performance and reg. thank you for letting me know. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Run n on faith - 2015-02-13 4:40 PM So I had a rep contact me from triple crown. He said my bag came from Arizona, which he said is free. I just read back and according to the list here it's nott. He said they don't use monesin or rumesin. They will use beauvison, but I just saw that can be an issue too! He said he prefers the shelf life to be 60 days and mine was 80. According to him he never gets bad calls or complaints about it. Honestly I'm still not satisfied with that answer. They are coming to pick my sack up and have it tested too.
Also, just called casa grande, az mill and they said they didn't manufacturers triple crown feeds. I am so confused
I was told the CG mill has segregrated areas for milling horse and medicated cattle feed but is not ionophore free.
I don't know about anyone else but this is giving me a migraine.
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 6:47 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 4:46 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 12:53 PM For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though) That is the Alliance Patriot feed.. not performance but that is the type of feed that killed the few down south of florida I think.. not sure though..... adm makes patriot performance and reg patriot..
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Location: East Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-13 5:29 PM Run n on faith - 2015-02-13 2:40 PM So I had a rep contact me from triple crown. He said my bag came from Arizona, which he said is free. I just read back and according to the list here it's nott. He said they don't use monesin or rumesin. They will use beauvison, but I just saw that can be an issue too! He said he prefers the shelf life to be 60 days and mine was 80. According to him he never gets bad calls or complaints about it. Honestly I'm still not satisfied with that answer. They are coming to pick my sack up and have it tested too.
Also, just called casa grande, az mill and they said they didn't manufacturers triple crown feeds. I am so confused
Does your TC tag say CG? Mine all comes from there to! Casa grande. Yes they make it and according to Stacey at TC they do make medicated cattle feed there. I have never had a problem. I have couple bags left and might switch.
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Angel in a Sorrel Coat
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Location: In a happy place | I bought oats at TSC today and when I was putting it in my containers I found a huge chunk of cattle feed in it. Took the bags back and the store manager told me their oats came from Nutrena. So I guess that will not be oats I will be buying anymore.
Just wanted to post this for those that asked if oats were safe to feed. It seems that we need to research everything we feed out horses. I would say not oats are not safer than any of the rest if the mill makes cattle feed along with it's horse feed.
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 7:21 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 6:47 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 4:46 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 12:53 PM For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though) That is the Alliance Patriot feed.. not performance but that is the type of feed that killed the few down south of florida I think.. not sure though..... adm makes patriot performance and reg patriot..
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Location: Arkansas | Is there no repercussions these companies may have to deal with? |
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 It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Ugh. That's it! I'm feeding my horses candy bars
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | SmokinGirlie - 2015-02-13 8:53 PM Ugh. That's it! I'm feeding my horses candy bars
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 9:17 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 7:21 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 6:47 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 4:46 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 12:53 PM For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though) That is the Alliance Patriot feed.. not performance but that is the type of feed that killed the few down south of florida I think.. not sure though..... adm makes patriot performance and reg patriot..
dont panic yet.. it could be milled at a differant place .. but its still adm .. I cant believe its so old and they were selling it .. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Dr porter here in florida had posted this on the web.. glad alot of top notch vets are speaking out..
http://michaelporterdvm.blogspot.com/2015/02/ionophore-free-horse-feed-mills.html |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Interesting I found a recall in 2012 of horse feed.. not sure the brand..
http://www.thehorse.com/articles/28868/ionophore-intoxication-in-horses
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Location: Here | http://www.poisonedpets.com/deadly-horse-feed-still-sale-adm-alliance-refuses-pull-feed/ |
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Ice Cream with Sprinkles on Top
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 9:13 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 9:17 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 7:21 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 6:47 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 4:46 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 12:53 PM For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though) That is the Alliance Patriot feed.. not performance but that is the type of feed that killed the few down south of florida I think.. not sure though..... adm makes patriot performance and reg patriot..
I know that my feed was milled at Sugar a Creek Ohio, and the Gro Strong minerals came from Illinois. I'm as worried about the minerals as I am the feed. Thank goodness for BHW and everyone of you providing us with information! |
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Location: Here | CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 10:24 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 9:13 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 9:17 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 7:21 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 6:47 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-13 4:46 PM CHEETAH - 2015-02-13 12:53 PM For thise of you that have been using ADM feed in the past year or so, do you recognize this bag? I made the very big mistake of swiching my feed to ADM a few weeks ago not knowing any of this was happening. Since I'd never used this feed before I had no clue what the sack looked until I brought it. After reading this post and freaking out, I went to ADM"S websiteto find the feed I was using and find out were it came from. I called ADM and read the numbers off the tag and she told me this feed was milled at Suger Creek Oh. on March 28th 2014! This feed is almost a year old and they are still selling it!!! Are you kidding!? She tried to tell me this feed was safe, and I should not worry about feeding it... WTH!!! If its not contamainated, its diff. outdated!!! Yes, Ive stop feeding it, the question for you guys is, because its so old do you think it could be tainted with monensin? ( I hope the photo of the bag comes though) That is the Alliance Patriot feed.. not performance but that is the type of feed that killed the few down south of florida I think.. not sure though..... adm makes patriot performance and reg patriot.. I know that my feed was milled at Sugar a Creek Ohio, and the Gro Strong minerals came from Illinois. I'm as worried about the minerals as I am the feed. Thank goodness for BHW and everyone of you providing us with information!
Thanks for the reminder. I told hubby last night I needed to pick up the grostrong blocks that have been in the pasture for over a year. My horses used to eat them but no more. interesting..
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2015-02-13 8:52 PM Is there no repercussions these companies may have to deal with?
The company in Florida got fined $4,000.00 and settled with horse owners of dead horses ranging from $35,000. and up. They will no longer be making horse feed.
http://www.thehorse.com/articles/35147/state-of-florida-fines-contaminated-horse-feed-manufacturer
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Knowledge is Power
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Just want to say a big thank you to who are researching this and posting such wonderful information. It is so alarming and so sad to read about the horses that have died or suffered damage from feed. I would think these feed companies make a mint off of people like us and to blow this off like it is nothing is pathetic. As the saying goes - Don't bite the hand that feeds you. |
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Location: East Texas | Run n on faith - 2015-02-13 7:25 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-13 5:29 PM Run n on faith - 2015-02-13 2:40 PM So I had a rep contact me from triple crown. He said my bag came from Arizona, which he said is free. I just read back and according to the list here it's nott. He said they don't use monesin or rumesin. They will use beauvison, but I just saw that can be an issue too! He said he prefers the shelf life to be 60 days and mine was 80. According to him he never gets bad calls or complaints about it. Honestly I'm still not satisfied with that answer. They are coming to pick my sack up and have it tested too.
Also, just called casa grande, az mill and they said they didn't manufacturers triple crown feeds. I am so confused
Does your TC tag say CG? Mine all comes from there to! Casa grande. Yes they make it and according to Stacey at TC they do make medicated cattle feed there. I have never had a problem. I have couple bags left and might switch.
My tag says triple crown senior (ST). Anyone know what mill this might be? |
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| Run n on faith - 2015-02-14 7:53 AM
Run n on faith - 2015-02-13 7:25 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-13 5:29 PM Run n on faith - 2015-02-13 2:40 PM So I had a rep contact me from triple crown. He said my bag came from Arizona, which he said is free. I just read back and according to the list here it's nott. He said they don't use monesin or rumesin. They will use beauvison, but I just saw that can be an issue too! He said he prefers the shelf life to be 60 days and mine was 80. According to him he never gets bad calls or complaints about it. Honestly I'm still not satisfied with that answer. They are coming to pick my sack up and have it tested too.
Also, just called casa grande, az mill and they said they didn't manufacturers triple crown feeds. I am so confused
Does your TC tag say CG? Mine all comes from there to! Casa grande. Yes they make it and according to Stacey at TC they do make medicated cattle feed there. I have never had a problem. I have couple bags left and might switch.
My tag says triple crown senior (ST ). Anyone know what mill this might be?
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Location: kentucky | I have read thru alot of this not all but I have fed ADM patriot 14 for about a year now and last week when I was at the feed ADM facility here in my town I talked to them about this issue and they blew it off and said the accusations were coming from a farm that they heard was in financial hardship, they also told me the patriot I purchase comes from there Bluffton, In facility which is a all horse feed facility which I found out thru a little googleing that is not true. Here is the Email I sent to them last week with my concerns, they did reply back wanting my number so someone could speak to me and they have yet to call me back
I just wanted to contact you with some concers I have with the patriot 14 I am feeding. I am sure you are aware of everything floating around the internet. I talked to some people here at the ADM facility in Campbellsville, ky and of course was assured that there is no issues with the feed and was even told that the feed I buy came from the Bluffton, In plant which is monensin free, the way I understood him was they do not deal in cattle feeds but what I found on the internet seems to state it does. I lost a mare October 31, 2014 she went off her feed 5 days later she had colicky symptoms, liquid diarrhea and was eventually euthanized, the vet was out everyday treating her, bloodwork, ect.... we never came up with a definite answer to the cause. Now I have a 3 yr old that quit eating her feed for 3 days, has gone back to eating it but not finishing it, I have another gelding that did not finish his grain this morning and several act like they are choking when they eat, so you can see where I have several concerns with continuing to feed ADM. Any information you can provide me with my issues would be appreciated, they have been on this feed for a year |
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Location: Here | boldbonanzarocks - 2015-02-14 1:58 PM
I have read thru alot of this not all but I have fed ADM patriot 14 for about a year now and last week when I was at the feed ADM facility here in my town I talked to them about this issue and they blew it off and said the accusations were coming from a farm that they heard was in financial hardship, they also told me the patriot I purchase comes from there Bluffton, In facility which is a all horse feed facility which I found out thru a little googleing that is not true. Here is the Email I sent to them last week with my concerns, they did reply back wanting my number so someone could speak to me and they have yet to call me back
I just wanted to contact you with some concers I have with the patriot 14 I am feeding. I am sure you are aware of everything floating around the internet. I talked to some people here at the ADM facility in Campbellsville, ky and of course was assured that there is no issues with the feed and was even told that the feed I buy came from the Bluffton, In plant which is monensin free, the way I understood him was they do not deal in cattle feeds but what I found on the internet seems to state it does. I lost a mare October 31, 2014 she went off her feed 5 days later she had colicky symptoms, liquid diarrhea and was eventually euthanized, the vet was out everyday treating her, bloodwork, ect.... we never came up with a definite answer to the cause. Now I have a 3 yr old that quit eating her feed for 3 days, has gone back to eating it but not finishing it, I have another gelding that did not finish his grain this morning and several act like they are choking when they eat, so you can see where I have several concerns with continuing to feed ADM. Any information you can provide me with my issues would be appreciated, they have been on this feed for a year
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | boldbonanzarocks - 2015-02-14 1:58 PM
I have read thru alot of this not all but I have fed ADM patriot 14 for about a year now and last week when I was at the feed ADM facility here in my town I talked to them about this issue and they blew it off and said the accusations were coming from a farm that they heard was in financial hardship, they also told me the patriot I purchase comes from there Bluffton, In facility which is a all horse feed facility which I found out thru a little googleing that is not true. Here is the Email I sent to them last week with my concerns, they did reply back wanting my number so someone could speak to me and they have yet to call me back
I just wanted to contact you with some concers I have with the patriot 14 I am feeding. I am sure you are aware of everything floating around the internet. I talked to some people here at the ADM facility in Campbellsville, ky and of course was assured that there is no issues with the feed and was even told that the feed I buy came from the Bluffton, In plant which is monensin free, the way I understood him was they do not deal in cattle feeds but what I found on the internet seems to state it does. I lost a mare October 31, 2014 she went off her feed 5 days later she had colicky symptoms, liquid diarrhea and was eventually euthanized, the vet was out everyday treating her, bloodwork, ect.... we never came up with a definite answer to the cause. Now I have a 3 yr old that quit eating her feed for 3 days, has gone back to eating it but not finishing it, I have another gelding that did not finish his grain this morning and several act like they are choking when they eat, so you can see where I have several concerns with continuing to feed ADM. Any information you can provide me with my issues would be appreciated, they have been on this feed for a year
ADM is trying to cover their hiney big time. Of course they're going to blow it off. I was feeding Nutrena and found out they lied to me saying there was no medicated feed made at the same facility my SC came from. Doing a little research I found out they were jerking my chain. I won't support companies like that. My horses are way too important to me. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I am very sorry about your horses. Please realize I am certainly not in any financial hardship at all and everything I have presented is true. ADM does not care pure and simple. |
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| I initially thought my horses were choking also, very strange symptoms. The rep. from Hubbard was supposed to come yesterday or today for this sample and has not shown up or called. My vet sent off a sample for me yesterday. I think it's crazy that these companies think it is ok to be producing feed in the same plants as ones that contain ionophores. I emailed Hubbard and told them this, they said they flush the systems between batches, and out of 24,000 lbs of Senior feed my feed came from I am the "only" negative complaint.....Well, isn't ONE too many? Besides, how many have horses that colic and/or get sick that do not put two and two together that it is the grain? If I hadn't had two eating it and them both get sick and just recently switched to this grain, I would not have guessed it was the feed.
I lost a mare in 2013 that had been fed Hubbard on and off and really hope that's not what killed her. We could never figure out why she was sick on and off for several years. I wasn't feeding anyone else grain the same time I was her... |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Royal palm is not either in hardship.. the lab and vet and FDA have all confirmed.. Monosin poisoning and contaminated feed of theirs so I suggest to ADM to stop trying to cover up anything when there facts not opinions.. on the internet.. the hardship might have almost worked for the very first horse barn and adms excuses but it didnt so to place blame on their lack of "giving a ****" is way wrong.There has since been 4 barns and people with positive results and horse issues.. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | This isnt hearsay or opinions .. This has been proven thru labs and horses and bags of feed that tested positive.. many horses have fell Ill and have issues from this.. I would suggest to Jason hartley to talk to ADM because this isnt going away.. instead of denying they should be trying to find a solution.. its FACTS.. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | boldbonanzarocks - 2015-02-14 2:58 PM
I have read thru alot of this not all but I have fed ADM patriot 14 for about a year now and last week when I was at the feed ADM facility here in my town I talked to them about this issue and they blew it off and said the accusations were coming from a farm that they heard was in financial hardship, they also told me the patriot I purchase comes from there Bluffton, In facility which is a all horse feed facility which I found out thru a little googleing that is not true. Here is the Email I sent to them last week with my concerns, they did reply back wanting my number so someone could speak to me and they have yet to call me back
I just wanted to contact you with some concers I have with the patriot 14 I am feeding. I am sure you are aware of everything floating around the internet. I talked to some people here at the ADM facility in Campbellsville, ky and of course was assured that there is no issues with the feed and was even told that the feed I buy came from the Bluffton, In plant which is monensin free, the way I understood him was they do not deal in cattle feeds but what I found on the internet seems to state it does. I lost a mare October 31, 2014 she went off her feed 5 days later she had colicky symptoms, liquid diarrhea and was eventually euthanized, the vet was out everyday treating her, bloodwork, ect.... we never came up with a definite answer to the cause. Now I have a 3 yr old that quit eating her feed for 3 days, has gone back to eating it but not finishing it, I have another gelding that did not finish his grain this morning and several act like they are choking when they eat, so you can see where I have several concerns with continuing to feed ADM. Any information you can provide me with my issues would be appreciated, they have been on this feed for a year
What a nightmare. So sorry you are having to deal with this. For them to try to place blame on a farm in hardship through hearsay is ridiculous. You have enough horses get sick from bad feed and have needless vet bills because of a problem with feed and it would hurt your bottom line. Hope you get some answers and peace of mind. |
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Location: Here | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-14 4:27 PM
Royal palm is not either in hardship.. the lab and vet and FDA have all confirmed.. Monosin poisoning and contaminated feed of theirs so I suggest to ADM to stop trying to cover up anything when there facts not opinions.. on the internet.. the hardship might have almost worked for the very first horse barn and adms excuses but it didnt so to place blame on their lack of "giving a ****" is way wrong.There has since been 4 barns and people with positive results and horse issues..
That in all honesty is what made me switch If they won't recognize this and do the right thing but all the people that have confirmed it does exist in their feeds, is just wrong. I don't care if Jason things 2-5ppm is safe! It isn't. I would like to ask him, would you feed your poison... even only a tiny bit? To me it is the same thing |
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Location: Here | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-14 4:30 PM This isnt hearsay or opinions .. This has been proven thru labs and horses and bags of feed that tested positive.. many horses have fell Ill and have issues from this.. I would suggest to Jason hartley to talk to ADM because this isnt going away.. instead of denying they should be trying to find a solution.. its FACTS..
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Location: Here | The Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) is an American global food-processing and commodities-trading corporation, headquartered in Chicago, Illinois.[2][3][4] The company operates more than 270 plants and 420 crop procurement facilities worldwide, where cereal grains and oilseeds are processed into products used in food, beverage, nutraceutical, industrial, and animal feed markets worldwide. On Sept. 24, 2013 ADM announced a planned mid 2014 move of its headquarters out of Decatur, and Chicago was announced as the new site for the world headquarters of the agricultural processing conglomerate.[5]
It was named the world's-most-admired food-production company by Fortune magazine for three consecutive years: 2009, 2010 and 2011.[6]
The company also provides agricultural storage and transportation services. The American River Transportation Company along with ADM Trucking, Inc., are subsidiaries of ADM. ADM's revenues for fiscal year 2012 were US$89 billion.[1] |
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The Archer Daniels Midland Company ( ADM) is an American global food-processing and commodities-trading corporation, headquartered in Chicago, Illinois. [2][3][4] The company operates more than 270 plants and 420 crop procurement facilities worldwide, where cereal grains and oilseeds are processed into products used in food, beverage, nutraceutical, industrial, and animal feed markets worldwide. On Sept. 24, 2013 ADM announced a planned mid 2014 move of its headquarters out of Decatur, and Chicago was announced as the new site for the world headquarters of the agricultural processing conglomerate. [5]It was named the world's-most-admired food-production company by Fortune magazine for three consecutive years: 2009, 2010 and 2011. [6]The company also provides agricultural storage and transportation services. The American River Transportation Company along with ADM Trucking, Inc., are subsidiaries of ADM. ADM's revenues for fiscal year 2012 were US$89 billion. [1]
Sounds like ADM is a little to big for their britches. THe horse feed division is probably a drop in the bucket. Having said that, looks like it would not cost them much to build horse only feed mills. |
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | I fed ADM at one point to my whole herd...different rations but all ADM... i had one horse get real sick...and overall they all just started to look dull and not hold weight well...one of the things that caught me off guard was the rep who I spoke to said i should buy their loose minerals to add some vit/minerals to the diet...well -when I pointed out that I was feeding the 14% patriot COMPLETE feed ...why would I need to add anything...they were on free choice grass and they all get alfalfa twice a day as well and had salt/mineral licks...they didn't have a good answer for me...that's when I switched feeds . ..any company that sells a complete feed shouldn't need to add any vitamins or minerals to it right!?! I fed it about 6 months total.. i was not impressed with how my horses looked nor happy after my horse got sick ...i never blamed ADM for my horses illness but maybe I should have...at the very least I can say what is on the label may not be what's in the bag and that was enough to lose my business... |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | readytorodeo - 2015-02-15 1:54 PM
My mare colicked during the summer. The vet said it was not an impaction. We were up all night with her. Almost lost her. She was being fed ADM Patriot. I'm wondering now if it was because of the Patriot.
So glad you did not lose your mare. It may have been the feed or may not have been. I do feel certain that people have had very sick horses and lost horses and had no idea it was from the feed. It would be easier to detect at a boarding stable/farm/ranch than for people who own one horse or a few who may not have put it together as far as feed being the problem. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I didn't realize who ADM was until SG brought it to my attention. They are a huge corporation and so now I get their attitude. They don't care and they will continue to do business as usual and anyone going after them with their lawyer from next door, is going to get spit out and flushed down the toilet like your morning dump. We, as horse owners, are chump change.
Remember when there were no recalls of pet food? Years ago there were many small individual companies making dog foods and these small companies had to be best they could be and they stayed on top of everything concerning their business. Then big companies, like Colgate Palmolive, wanted to make even more money so they saw some of these smaller dog food companies a perfect place to get rid of their by products and make money doing it so the purchasing of these smaller companies began. Some of the smaller companies started to look for bigger companies to do their manufacturing of their foods to keep costs down and they then lost control and had to depend on companies like Diamond to continue the standards they were known for. We all know how well that has been going. I rememeber posting the first dog food recall and we, on BHW, were mortified that our dogs were being feed crap chicken and other ingredients from China. The recalls are now never ending. I probably get one every week.
Now ADM has bought up smaller feed companies and what happened in the dog food industry is now happening in our horse industry. Moorman's was a first class feed company and they demanded a bigger price tag but you knew you were paying for the best ingredients they could get. Along comes ADM and buys them and we all know how well that has turned out. I hate to be Debbie Downer, but I don't see this getting better as it sure hasn't in the dog food industry. We as consumers, need to step up and educate ourselves. Call and find out about the feed you are feeding. Only believe what can be backed up with facts, not hearsay. We are a small group in the scheme of things but we are the only ones that can make a change happen. I don't know about you, but I will gladly pay a few dollars more for feed if I have to in order to get feed that I know is safe rather then taking a crap shoot that the next bag of feed, I feed, isn't tainted.
We need to demand that our horse feed is mixed in a mixer that never sees any substances that are toxic to our horses and is even present where our feed is milled. Tell your feed company to skip the pretty bag and put better quality grains and put that money into making sure that our feed is clean and toxic free.
My heart breaks for all the horse owners being affected by this. Remember...if you are going to go after them you better find a big time lawyer that is familiar with the livestock industry or you will be just wasting your time and money. Hugs to all.
Thanks to SG and Rachelle how have been dilligent keeping us informed. It's now up to you to get proactive and research your feed and the mill your feed is being milled at. Learn how to read your feed tags so you know where and when it was milled at.
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Location: Willows, CA | I think that many more colics are the result of mismanaged feeding programs than feed that is blended wrong at the plant. This is not meant to take any concern away from the current reason for this thread. I just want to point out that a lot of horses are fed in a way that asks for digestive upset. Fitting your feeding program to the way the digestive system actually works can save a lot of heartbreak. The feed industry has really changed in the last ten years. When the economy tanked a lot of feed companies moved from fixed formulations to cheaper least cost formulations. The bags still look the same, but some well known feeds are not. The current issue with medicated contamination has brought how we feed back into focus again. This may be a very good thing in the long run as horse owners demand a better product and just don't assume that what they are buying is of consistent quality. Know what is in your feed. Don't by feed with ingredients like "grain byproducts" "forage byproducts" "plant protein products" or any other "byproduct" description. Who knows what that really is, or how different it is every time it is made. When the feed company formulations jump around under these broad descriptions to make your feed for the least cost, you end up changing your horses diet with every different lot numbered bag that you open. The current contamination issue is a tragidy, but, there is an underlying issue with least cost formulation changes that may contribute to even more issues.
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Location: North Dakota | winwillows - 2015-02-15 3:23 PM I think that many more colics are the result of mismanaged feeding programs than feed that is blended wrong at the plant. This is not meant to take any concern away from the current reason for this thread. I just want to point out that a lot of horses are fed in a way that asks for digestive upset. Fitting your feeding program to the way the digestive system actually works can save a lot of heartbreak. The feed industry has really changed in the last ten years. When the economy tanked a lot of feed companies moved from fixed formulations to cheaper least cost formulations. The bags still look the same, but some well known feeds are not. The current issue with medicated contamination has brought how we feed back into focus again. This may be a very good thing in the long run as horse owners demand a better product and just don't assume that what they are buying is of consistent quality. Know what is in your feed. Don't by feed with ingredients like "grain byproducts" "forage byproducts" "plant protein products" or any other "byproduct" description. Who knows what that really is, or how different it is every time it is made. When the feed company formulations jump around under these broad descriptions to make your feed for the least cost, you end up changing your horses diet with every different lot numbered bag that you open. The current contamination issue is a tragidy, but, there is an underlying issue with least cost formulation changes that may contribute to even more issues.
Truth. My horse is my WORLD and I want to know EVERYTHING that goes on in his life, including what he's eating. I have spent many hours researching the feeds and supplements I give my horses, and rest a little easier knowing they are getting the best I can get. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | winwillows - 2015-02-15 3:23 PM I think that many more colics are the result of mismanaged feeding programs than feed that is blended wrong at the plant. This is not meant to take any concern away from the current reason for this thread. I just want to point out that a lot of horses are fed in a way that asks for digestive upset. Fitting your feeding program to the way the digestive system actually works can save a lot of heartbreak. The feed industry has really changed in the last ten years. When the economy tanked a lot of feed companies moved from fixed formulations to cheaper least cost formulations. The bags still look the same, but some well known feeds are not. The current issue with medicated contamination has brought how we feed back into focus again. This may be a very good thing in the long run as horse owners demand a better product and just don't assume that what they are buying is of consistent quality. Know what is in your feed. Don't by feed with ingredients like "grain byproducts" "forage byproducts" "plant protein products" or any other "byproduct" description. Who knows what that really is, or how different it is every time it is made. When the feed company formulations jump around under these broad descriptions to make your feed for the least cost, you end up changing your horses diet with every different lot numbered bag that you open. The current contamination issue is a tragidy, but, there is an underlying issue with least cost formulation changes that may contribute to even more issues. I would say most horse owners don't know the difference between a fixed and a least cost formula.
I understand what you are saying but we have been talking on other FB forums, how it seems many horses have had weird symptoms come up that just wasn't a simple colic and everyone was at a loss and now wonder how many of those cases could be linked to this? I don't think anyone disagrees that most colics are not caused directly because of tainted feed and these are small in comparison but it's not something to just ignore. But on the other hand...My dad raised horses for over 20 years and had about 40 horses on his place. In all of those years he only had 2 horses colic and both were horses that came up from Texas and were overloaded with parasites. I had one horse colic from 1969 to 1996 when we lived in Illinois and I ended up having a horse have colic surgery when we moved to Texas caused from Coastal Hay and it wasn't a teeth problem. My husband was an equine dentist on the Chicago Race Tracks and my horses were always on a strict schedule.
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Location: Willows, CA | Of course the current issues should not be ignored. On the contrary, I feel that they need every bit of focus that this and other forums have brought to the subject. My point was that, as terrible as this contamination issue is, the vast majority of colics are management related. A better informed horse owner will result in healthier horses. We try to do the best we can for our horses, but accurate information is difficult to come by from many manufacturers. This contamination is proving this point. If you don't know what really is in your feed, how can you make a wise decision about what and how much to use. |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-15 3:13 PM I didn't realize who ADM was until SG brought it to my attention. They are a huge corporation and so now I get their attitude. They don't care and they will continue to do business as usual and anyone going after them with their lawyer from next door, is going to get spit out and flushed down the toilet like your morning dump. We, as horse owners, are chump change.
Remember when there were no recalls of pet food? Years ago there were many small individual companies making dog foods and these small companies had to be best they could be and they stayed on top of everything concerning their business. Then big companies, like Colgate Palmolive, wanted to make even more money so they saw some of these smaller dog food companies a perfect place to get rid of their by products and make money doing it so the purchasing of these smaller companies began. Some of the smaller companies started to look for bigger companies to do their manufacturing of their foods to keep costs down and they then lost control and had to depend on companies like Diamond to continue the standards they were known for. We all know how well that has been going. I rememeber posting the first dog food recall and we, on BHW, were mortified that our dogs were being feed crap chicken and other ingredients from China. The recalls are now never ending. I probably get one every week.
Now ADM has bought up smaller feed companies and what happened in the dog food industry is now happening in our horse industry. Moorman's was a first class feed company and they demanded a bigger price tag but you knew you were paying for the best ingredients they could get. Along comes ADM and buys them and we all know how well that has turned out. I hate to be Debbie Downer, but I don't see this getting better as it sure hasn't in the dog food industry. We as consumers, need to step up and educate ourselves. Call and find out about the feed you are feeding. Only believe what can be backed up with facts, not hearsay. We are a small group in the scheme of things but we are the only ones that can make a change happen. I don't know about you, but I will gladly pay a few dollars more for feed if I have to in order to get feed that I know is safe rather then taking a crap shoot that the next bag of feed, I feed, isn't tainted.
We need to demand that our horse feed is mixed in a mixer that never sees any substances that are toxic to our horses and is even present where our feed is milled. Tell your feed company to skip the pretty bag and put better quality grains and put that money into making sure that our feed is clean and toxic free.
My heart breaks for all the horse owners being affected by this. Remember...if you are going to go after them you better find a big time lawyer that is familiar with the livestock industry or you will be just wasting your time and money. Hugs to all.
Thanks to SG and Rachelle how have been dilligent keeping us informed. It's now up to you to get proactive and research your feed and the mill your feed is being milled at. Learn how to read your feed tags so you know where and when it was milled at.
Thank you Kathie. I just was heart sick with the informatio I was reading and more and more of it and PROOF. And ADM's attitude said enough for me, then when hubby explained to me just WHO they were and scoffed at me saying really you think you barrel racers scare them? That make me so yeah I know but I don't care. Bad feed is bad feed. And I want a brand I can count on where it comes from. Not well this mill is free but this one isn't and you have to examine every single bag and label. Until feed companies take us seriously nothing will change except the owners need to get educated! and buy accordingly |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I agree SG and I'm sure the feed stores will get tired of people bringing back feed and asking to look at the labels before they will buy it. The feed stores also need to put pressure on the feed companies to step up to the plate and make it right. |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-15 6:24 PM I agree SG and I'm sure the feed stores will get tired of people bringing back feed and asking to look at the labels before they will buy it. The feed stores also need to put pressure on the feed companies to step up to the plate and make it right.
I know I raised awareness at the feed store I use. They were clueless this was going on and was thrilled to get the information |
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Location: Minnesota | I read through all the pages so hopefully I didn't miss anything but what about ADM SENIORGLO. I feed this to my horses and my mare just died a couple weeks ago. I'm up in Minnesota and if Im not mistaken all the cases have been in the southern states. Correct? That doesn't mean that it cant happen up here but did I miss any comments on it being in the SENIORGLO line? My mare was 24 so old but not on deaths door. I spoke with my vet and described how she was the couple days leading up to her dying and he thinks it was a heart attack, I would of never thought about something in her feed. Any thoughts? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:44 AM I read through all the pages so hopefully I didn't miss anything but what about ADM SENIORGLO. I feed this to my horses and my mare just died a couple weeks ago. I'm up in Minnesota and if Im not mistaken all the cases have been in the southern states. Correct? That doesn't mean that it cant happen up here but did I miss any comments on it being in the SENIORGLO line? My mare was 24 so old but not on deaths door. I spoke with my vet and described how she was the couple days leading up to her dying and he thinks it was a heart attack, I would of never thought about something in her feed. Any thoughts?
Do you have any of the feed bags left with the lot numbers? You need to find out where that feed came from. In all honesty I'd send in a sample to check for ionophores. This has been so eye opening. I was feeding Safechoice and when I contacted the mill in Minnesota they said it was run through the same mill as the medicated feed but it was a "safe" alternative. Rachel pointed out that she researched that particular ionophore and small doses of long term use causes heart failiure. |
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Location: Minnesota | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 7:53 AM
Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:44 AM I read through all the pages so hopefully I didn't miss anything but what about ADM SENIORGLO. I feed this to my horses and my mare just died a couple weeks ago. I'm up in Minnesota and if Im not mistaken all the cases have been in the southern states. Correct? That doesn't mean that it cant happen up here but did I miss any comments on it being in the SENIORGLO line? My mare was 24 so old but not on deaths door. I spoke with my vet and described how she was the couple days leading up to her dying and he thinks it was a heart attack, I would of never thought about something in her feed. Any thoughts?
Do you have any of the feed bags left with the lot numbers? You need to find out where that feed came from. In all honesty I'd send in a sample to check for ionophores. This has been so eye opening. I was feeding Safechoice and when I contacted the mill in Minnesota they said it was run through the same mill as the medicated feed but it was a "safe" alternative. Rachel pointed out that she researched that particular ionophore and small doses of long term use causes heart failiure.
Oh my Lord! What would you suggest I switch to? I have one bag left, Im going to call my feed store and talk with them when they open at 9.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:58 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 7:53 AM Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:44 AM I read through all the pages so hopefully I didn't miss anything but what about ADM SENIORGLO. I feed this to my horses and my mare just died a couple weeks ago. I'm up in Minnesota and if Im not mistaken all the cases have been in the southern states. Correct? That doesn't mean that it cant happen up here but did I miss any comments on it being in the SENIORGLO line? My mare was 24 so old but not on deaths door. I spoke with my vet and described how she was the couple days leading up to her dying and he thinks it was a heart attack, I would of never thought about something in her feed. Any thoughts? Do you have any of the feed bags left with the lot numbers? You need to find out where that feed came from. In all honesty I'd send in a sample to check for ionophores. This has been so eye opening. I was feeding Safechoice and when I contacted the mill in Minnesota they said it was run through the same mill as the medicated feed but it was a "safe" alternative. Rachel pointed out that she researched that particular ionophore and small doses of long term use causes heart failiure. Oh my Lord! What would you suggest I switch to? I have one bag left, Im going to call my feed store and talk with them when they open at 9.
I'm not exactly sure what your needs are in feed but in my area (NE SD) Purina Equine comes out of Kansas City and they are 100% ionophore free. The cattle feed is made in Sioux City, IA, equine in KC. I switched my old man to Ultium as I won't be feeding Nutrena. Our Nutrena feed comes from New Richland, MN so you can bet yours will be too. I got a message directly from that plant manager as to what ionophore is used there. |
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Location: Florida.. | There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area..
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Location: Minnesota | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 8:13 AM
Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:58 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 7:53 AM Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:44 AM I read through all the pages so hopefully I didn't miss anything but what about ADM SENIORGLO. I feed this to my horses and my mare just died a couple weeks ago. I'm up in Minnesota and if Im not mistaken all the cases have been in the southern states. Correct? That doesn't mean that it cant happen up here but did I miss any comments on it being in the SENIORGLO line? My mare was 24 so old but not on deaths door. I spoke with my vet and described how she was the couple days leading up to her dying and he thinks it was a heart attack, I would of never thought about something in her feed. Any thoughts? Do you have any of the feed bags left with the lot numbers? You need to find out where that feed came from. In all honesty I'd send in a sample to check for ionophores. This has been so eye opening. I was feeding Safechoice and when I contacted the mill in Minnesota they said it was run through the same mill as the medicated feed but it was a "safe" alternative. Rachel pointed out that she researched that particular ionophore and small doses of long term use causes heart failiure. Oh my Lord! What would you suggest I switch to? I have one bag left, Im going to call my feed store and talk with them when they open at 9.
My gleding is 20. He's retired from hard riding so were basically just trail riding now. I'll do some more research. Thank you CYA! |
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Location: Minnesota | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:17 AM
There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area..
Im not a huge fan of Purina either. I'll go back and read the thread. I've been trying to follow it as much as possible but I've clearly missed some. |
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Location: Florida.. | Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 9:29 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:17 AM There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area.. Im not a huge fan of Purina either. I'll go back and read the thread. I've been trying to follow it as much as possible but I've clearly missed some.
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Location: Minnesota | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:38 AM
Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 9:29 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:17 AM There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area.. Im not a huge fan of Purina either. I'll go back and read the thread. I've been trying to follow it as much as possible but I've clearly missed some.
Oh, no worries Karen. I didn't think you sounded rude at all. I could of very well missed some information in those 30 pages. Reading it on my phone is tough. Im actually at a computer today so I'll go back and reread it. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 8:40 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:38 AM Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 9:29 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:17 AM There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area.. Im not a huge fan of Purina either. I'll go back and read the thread. I've been trying to follow it as much as possible but I've clearly missed some. Oh, no worries Karen. I didn't think you sounded rude at all. I could of very well missed some information in those 30 pages. Reading it on my phone is tough. Im actually at a computer today so I'll go back and reread it.
All the Facebook threads and the BHW threads are getting really long and I'm losing some info but somewhere there's a link to a list of all the facilities in the US that have medicated feed. I have the file saved on my computer so if you question a particular mill and know the city its milled in let me know and I can maybe find it for you. |
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Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 9:19 AM Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 8:40 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:38 AM Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 9:29 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:17 AM There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area.. Im not a huge fan of Purina either. I'll go back and read the thread. I've been trying to follow it as much as possible but I've clearly missed some. Oh, no worries Karen. I didn't think you sounded rude at all. I could of very well missed some information in those 30 pages. Reading it on my phone is tough. Im actually at a computer today so I'll go back and reread it.
http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/Products/AnimalFoodFeeds/MedicatedFeed/ucm2007993.htm |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | SG. - 2015-02-16 9:26 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 9:19 AM Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 8:40 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:38 AM Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 9:29 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:17 AM There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area.. Im not a huge fan of Purina either. I'll go back and read the thread. I've been trying to follow it as much as possible but I've clearly missed some. Oh, no worries Karen. I didn't think you sounded rude at all. I could of very well missed some information in those 30 pages. Reading it on my phone is tough. Im actually at a computer today so I'll go back and reread it.
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Location: N Texas | So I had a very interesting phone conversation with Pat Cassidy, an ADM rep on Saturday. We talked for a good 16 minutes, but just went in circles with each other the whole time. I guess he got my phone number from the local rep that told me they manufacture horse feed and medicated feed on the same machines. He was just given my name and number and told to call me, he honestly had no idea WHY he was supposed to call me. So I filled him in on what the local rep told me, and why I am no longer going to use their feeds. He told me numerous times that they did not kill any horses, the FDA found no issues with their feed, that their feed samples came back with "safe" levels, etc. I told him the ONLY safe level is ZERO. I also brought up how a big time eventer just dropped them and he said "well that doesn't make us guilty" and I said it sure didn't make them innocent!
I also brought up how they left feed on the shelves that had the same lot number as the contaminated feed and he said that's simply not true, that I can't believe everything I read on the internet.
He couldn't tell me how big their samples were that they had tested, just kept reiterating that none of them came back with dangerous levels. He also said I'd be surprised to find out how many companies use the same machines and do things the same way they are. So I said "so since everyone else is doing it, it's ok for you to do it too?" He said "no, that's not what I'm saying." Then I told him it's very sad that it's happening because horse owners trust feed companies to produce completely safe feed. I also let him know that horse owners are becoming more educated and aren't going to accept this type of negligence. He said they weren't negligent at all for anything.
He told me they're "working on" getting a facility that will produce horse feed separately, but to distribute feed throughout the country is too expensive, so they have to rely on other mills. I told him that's their burden to take, that it's part of business. I told him that if they don't want to have separate facilities for each feed that they need to pick one or the other, not both. I also told him that it's not a matter of IF something happens at the other mills, it's a matter of WHEN. I said I don't care how strict you think your processes are, accidents happen and I'm not willing to let my horse be the one that gets a bad batch.
He at one point asked me if I ate rice. I stopped him and said "don't try to deflect the conversation." He said "I'm not trying to deflect, just trying to make a point". I told him this conversation is about their feed and it being unsafe, not about what I eat.
I told him I truly hope they take what consumers are telling them seriously, but at this point ADM truly thinks they did NOTHING wrong, which is infuriating. They are taking ZERO responsibility for anything and continue to believe it's completely acceptable to have ionophores in their feed. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Gunner11 - 2015-02-16 11:19 AM So I had a very interesting phone conversation with Pat Cassidy, an ADM rep on Saturday. We talked for a good 16 minutes, but just went in circles with each other the whole time. I guess he got my phone number from the local rep that told me they manufacture horse feed and medicated feed on the same machines. He was just given my name and number and told to call me, he honestly had no idea WHY he was supposed to call me. So I filled him in on what the local rep told me, and why I am no longer going to use their feeds. He told me numerous times that they did not kill any horses, the FDA found no issues with their feed, that their feed samples came back with "safe" levels, etc. I told him the ONLY safe level is ZERO. I also brought up how a big time eventer just dropped them and he said "well that doesn't make us guilty" and I said it sure didn't make them innocent! I also brought up how they left feed on the shelves that had the same lot number as the contaminated feed and he said that's simply not true, that I can't believe everything I read on the internet. He couldn't tell me how big their samples were that they had tested, just kept reiterating that none of them came back with dangerous levels. He also said I'd be surprised to find out how many companies use the same machines and do things the same way they are. So I said "so since everyone else is doing it, it's ok for you to do it too?" He said "no, that's not what I'm saying." Then I told him it's very sad that it's happening because horse owners trust feed companies to produce completely safe feed. I also let him know that horse owners are becoming more educated and aren't going to accept this type of negligence. He said they weren't negligent at all for anything. He told me they're "working on" getting a facility that will produce horse feed separately, but to distribute feed throughout the country is too expensive, so they have to rely on other mills. I told him that's their burden to take, that it's part of business. I told him that if they don't want to have separate facilities for each feed that they need to pick one or the other, not both. I also told him that it's not a matter of IF something happens at the other mills, it's a matter of WHEN. I said I don't care how strict you think your processes are, accidents happen and I'm not willing to let my horse be the one that gets a bad batch. He at one point asked me if I ate rice. I stopped him and said "don't try to deflect the conversation." He said "I'm not trying to deflect, just trying to make a point". I told him this conversation is about their feed and it being unsafe, not about what I eat. I told him I truly hope they take what consumers are telling them seriously, but at this point ADM truly thinks they did NOTHING wrong, which is infuriating. They are taking ZERO responsibility for anything and continue to believe it's completely acceptable to have ionophores in their feed.
I can assure you that the 20+ bags of feed that they picked up from my home were probably put back on the shelf somewhere hre in Georgia. I had 42 total on the pallett. 8 total are still at my home in the original bags - opened because we had to dip it out of the bin. And, the rest were either fed or thrown away because they were contaminated. And, I have the results from a lab to prove it. |
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Location: N Texas | 3canstorun - 2015-02-16 10:36 AM
Gunner11 - 2015-02-16 11:19 AM So I had a very interesting phone conversation with Pat Cassidy, an ADM rep on Saturday. We talked for a good 16 minutes, but just went in circles with each other the whole time. I guess he got my phone number from the local rep that told me they manufacture horse feed and medicated feed on the same machines. He was just given my name and number and told to call me, he honestly had no idea WHY he was supposed to call me. So I filled him in on what the local rep told me, and why I am no longer going to use their feeds. He told me numerous times that they did not kill any horses, the FDA found no issues with their feed, that their feed samples came back with "safe" levels, etc. I told him the ONLY safe level is ZERO. I also brought up how a big time eventer just dropped them and he said "well that doesn't make us guilty" and I said it sure didn't make them innocent! I also brought up how they left feed on the shelves that had the same lot number as the contaminated feed and he said that's simply not true, that I can't believe everything I read on the internet. He couldn't tell me how big their samples were that they had tested, just kept reiterating that none of them came back with dangerous levels. He also said I'd be surprised to find out how many companies use the same machines and do things the same way they are. So I said "so since everyone else is doing it, it's ok for you to do it too?" He said "no, that's not what I'm saying." Then I told him it's very sad that it's happening because horse owners trust feed companies to produce completely safe feed. I also let him know that horse owners are becoming more educated and aren't going to accept this type of negligence. He said they weren't negligent at all for anything. He told me they're "working on" getting a facility that will produce horse feed separately, but to distribute feed throughout the country is too expensive, so they have to rely on other mills. I told him that's their burden to take, that it's part of business. I told him that if they don't want to have separate facilities for each feed that they need to pick one or the other, not both. I also told him that it's not a matter of IF something happens at the other mills, it's a matter of WHEN. I said I don't care how strict you think your processes are, accidents happen and I'm not willing to let my horse be the one that gets a bad batch. He at one point asked me if I ate rice. I stopped him and said "don't try to deflect the conversation." He said "I'm not trying to deflect, just trying to make a point". I told him this conversation is about their feed and it being unsafe, not about what I eat. I told him I truly hope they take what consumers are telling them seriously, but at this point ADM truly thinks they did NOTHING wrong, which is infuriating. They are taking ZERO responsibility for anything and continue to believe it's completely acceptable to have ionophores in their feed.
I can assure you that the 20+ bags of feed that they picked up from my home were probably put back on the shelf somewhere hre in Georgia. I had 42 total on the pallett. 8 total are still at my home in the original bags - opened because we had to dip it out of the bin. And, the rest were either fed or thrown away because they were contaminated. And, I have the results from a lab to prove it.
Well according to him, since I'm reading this on the internet, I can't believe it
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Location: Florida.. | fact is.. the farms are real and have real lab results and we have talked to them and its not just on the internet and they know this.. they are all playing dumb.. this has hit some friends of ours and a few on here.. so proof is fact.. |
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Location: Georgia | Nutrrena states that my feed is milled at the Montgomery, AL plant and Monensin is not used at this plant. Yet, they are on the FDA LIST Of APPROVED MEDICATED MILLS. If a mill is on this list, does it mean they definetely use Ionophores or possibly just other mediactions that are non toxic to horses? How do we find the truth?
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Location: East Texas | I just had a triple crown rep leave my house and I really don't know what to believe. He said my bag came from the old mineola mill, it has a manufactures number of 81, but also says (ST). He said that was sterling not Stockton, ca, which both mills produce medicated feed from what i have read. He did say the BY, mill and casa grande, az was good. He said the seguin mill and other mills where medicated feed was mixed used bovatec. I nicely explained to him, I didn't want to take any chances. He really seemed to care about the product and said they test every batch of triple crown for liability purposes. He also said the feed I got was old and the consistency wasn't right. He brought me 3 new bags and I was shocked at what it was supposed to look like! My feed is in its way to be tested and he said he would also send off a sample. I am really torn on what mill to feed from or not! Is there anything comparable to triple crown senior, that is safe? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | southernbarrelhorses - 2015-02-16 1:29 PM Nutrrena states that my feed is milled at the Montgomery, AL plant and Monensin is not used at this plant. Yet, they are on the FDA LIST Of APPROVED MEDICATED MILLS. If a mill is on this list, does it mean they definetely use Ionophores or possibly just other mediactions that are non toxic to horses? How do we find the truth?
Nutrena tried pulling that BS on me too. Just because its Monensin free doesn't mean its Ionophore free. Monensin is just ONE Ionophore out of about 20'ish. When Nutrena told me they were Monensin free I then asked exactly which Ionophore was run through the New Richland, MN facility along with my horse feed. That was when I got a reply from the plant manager. I would need to look back at the message to see exactly which one it was but never the less - its still poison for horses. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Run n on faith - 2015-02-16 6:55 PM I just had a triple crown rep leave my house and I really don't know what to believe. He said my bag came from the old mineola mill, it has a manufactures number of 81, but also says (ST). He said that was sterling not Stockton, ca, which both mills produce medicated feed from what i have read. He did say the BY, mill and casa grande, az was good. He said the seguin mill and other mills where medicated feed was mixed used bovatec. I nicely explained to him, I didn't want to take any chances. He really seemed to care about the product and said they test every batch of triple crown for liability purposes. He also said the feed I got was old and the consistency wasn't right. He brought me 3 new bags and I was shocked at what it was supposed to look like! My feed is in its way to be tested and he said he would also send off a sample. I am really torn on what mill to feed from or not! Is there anything comparable to triple crown senior, that is safe?
This is getting too crazy..The old Mineola mill was marked MN and they quit them because of consistency problems. They then started to use Sequin that is suppose to be a ionophore free mill and they were having problems with the sprayers because of the fat they added so they suspended milling from them until they got the sprayers replaced. Sequin is (81) and they then brought feed in from (BY) Byhalia, MS and Casa Grande (43) until the Sequin mill was back up and running. I just got a bag of TC Senior from (BY) and it's the supremo quality that I use to get and is why I had started to feed it. I was told (43) wasn't an ionophore free mill but they mill in segregrated areas. I won't be buying anything from (43). |
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| Run n on faith - 2015-02-16 4:55 PM
I just had a triple crown rep leave my house and I really don't know what to believe. He said my bag came from the old mineola mill, it has a manufactures number of 81, but also says (ST). He said that was sterling not Stockton, ca, which both mills produce medicated feed from what i have read. He did say the BY, mill and casa grande, az was good. He said the seguin mill and other mills where medicated feed was mixed used bovatec. I nicely explained to him, I didn't want to take any chances. He really seemed to care about the product and said they test every batch of triple crown for liability purposes. He also said the feed I got was old and the consistency wasn't right. He brought me 3 new bags and I was shocked at what it was supposed to look like! My feed is in its way to be tested and he said he would also send off a sample. I am really torn on what mill to feed from or not! Is there anything comparable to triple crown senior, that is safe?
I feed the TC complete. It comes from the Casa Grande Mill which seems to be safe. |
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Location: East Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-02-16 8:07 PM
Run n on faith - 2015-02-16 6:55 PM I just had a triple crown rep leave my house and I really don't know what to believe. He said my bag came from the old mineola mill, it has a manufactures number of 81, but also says (ST). He said that was sterling not Stockton, ca, which both mills produce medicated feed from what i have read. He did say the BY, mill and casa grande, az was good. He said the seguin mill and other mills where medicated feed was mixed used bovatec. I nicely explained to him, I didn't want to take any chances. He really seemed to care about the product and said they test every batch of triple crown for liability purposes. He also said the feed I got was old and the consistency wasn't right. He brought me 3 new bags and I was shocked at what it was supposed to look like! My feed is in its way to be tested and he said he would also send off a sample. I am really torn on what mill to feed from or not! Is there anything comparable to triple crown senior, that is safe?
This is getting too crazy..The old Mineola mill was marked MN and they quit them because of consistency problems. They then started to use Sequin that is suppose to be a ionophore free mill and they were having problems with the sprayers because of the fat they added so they suspended milling from them until they got the sprayers replaced. Sequin is (81) and they then brought feed in from (BY) Byhalia, MS and Casa Grande (43) until the Sequin mill was back up and running. I just got a bag of TC Senior from (BY) and it's the supremo quality that I use to get and is why I had started to feed it. I was told (43) wasn't an ionophore free mill but they mill in segregrated areas. I won't be buying anything from (43).
Yes the BY, bag is awesome! He did tell me that about the sprayers at seguin.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Run n on faith - 2015-02-16 8:29 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-16 8:07 PM Run n on faith - 2015-02-16 6:55 PM I just had a triple crown rep leave my house and I really don't know what to believe. He said my bag came from the old mineola mill, it has a manufactures number of 81, but also says (ST). He said that was sterling not Stockton, ca, which both mills produce medicated feed from what i have read. He did say the BY, mill and casa grande, az was good. He said the seguin mill and other mills where medicated feed was mixed used bovatec. I nicely explained to him, I didn't want to take any chances. He really seemed to care about the product and said they test every batch of triple crown for liability purposes. He also said the feed I got was old and the consistency wasn't right. He brought me 3 new bags and I was shocked at what it was supposed to look like! My feed is in its way to be tested and he said he would also send off a sample. I am really torn on what mill to feed from or not! Is there anything comparable to triple crown senior, that is safe? This is getting too crazy..The old Mineola mill was marked MN and they quit them because of consistency problems. They then started to use Sequin that is suppose to be a ionophore free mill and they were having problems with the sprayers because of the fat they added so they suspended milling from them until they got the sprayers replaced. Sequin is (81) and they then brought feed in from (BY) Byhalia, MS and Casa Grande (43) until the Sequin mill was back up and running. I just got a bag of TC Senior from (BY) and it's the supremo quality that I use to get and is why I had started to feed it. I was told (43) wasn't an ionophore free mill but they mill in segregrated areas. I won't be buying anything from (43). Yes the BY, bag is awesome! He did tell me that about the sprayers at seguin.
I wonder how long it will be before the upgraded Sequin (81) gets into our stores?
As soon as I get one I will report back and please do the same. Triple Crown really hurt themselves when they started to have Nutrena mill their feed. JMHO |
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southernbarrelhorses - 2015-02-16 1:29 PM Nutrrena states that my feed is milled at the Montgomery, AL plant and Monensin is not used at this plant. Yet, they are on the FDA LIST Of APPROVED MEDICATED MILLS. If a mill is on this list, does it mean they definetely use Ionophores or possibly just other mediactions that are non toxic to horses? How do we find the truth?
Nutrena tried pulling that BS on me too. Just because its Monensin free doesn't mean its Ionophore free. Monensin is just ONE Ionophore out of about 20'ish. When Nutrena told me they were Monensin free I then asked exactly which Ionophore was run through the New Richland, MN facility along with my horse feed. That was when I got a reply from the plant manager. I would need to look back at the message to see exactly which one it was but never the less - its still poison for horses.
I know for a fact that the Sterling CO mill uses Rumensin. I'm not sure what else they use. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | southernbarrelhorses - 2015-02-16 2:29 PM Nutrrena states that my feed is milled at the Montgomery, AL plant and Monensin is not used at this plant. Yet, they are on the FDA LIST Of APPROVED MEDICATED MILLS. If a mill is on this list, does it mean they definetely use Ionophores or possibly just other mediactions that are non toxic to horses? How do we find the truth?
They use a different brand and aren't telling you the whole truth. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | southernbarrelhorses - 2015-02-16 1:29 PM Nutrrena states that my feed is milled at the Montgomery, AL plant and Monensin is not used at this plant. Yet, they are on the FDA LIST Of APPROVED MEDICATED MILLS. If a mill is on this list, does it mean they definetely use Ionophores or possibly just other mediactions that are non toxic to horses? How do we find the truth?
You want Ionophore free...not just Monensin. Many mills are just lying by omission on this subject. They use Lasalocid or another Ionophore and are telling people that they are Monensin free so they are safe.
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Location: East Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-17 10:44 AM southernbarrelhorses - 2015-02-16 1:29 PM Nutrrena states that my feed is milled at the Montgomery, AL plant and Monensin is not used at this plant. Yet, they are on the FDA LIST Of APPROVED MEDICATED MILLS. If a mill is on this list, does it mean they definetely use Ionophores or possibly just other mediactions that are non toxic to horses? How do we find the truth?
You want Ionophore free...not just Monensin. Many mills are just lying by omission on this subject. They use Lasalocid or another Ionophore and are telling people that they are Monensin free so they are safe.
All Ionophores are toxic to horses.
Yep! The rep from triple crown said they use Bovatec. I nicely explained I didnt want my feed coming from a mill that had any! |
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Location: ARKANSAS | Wellllll crap i have just read through 31 pages of this thread and i am now more confused than i ever was!!!! I Feed Stategy healthy edge to my 22 year old, a 9 yr old and an 8 yr old...they each get Sho-Glo mineral every day, they get get hay 24/7 and turnout 24/7. I do feed the 22 yr old and the 8 yr old biotin in thier feed to help with thier hooves. I really like feeding this feed, but now i am unsure on what to do.... i am open to suggestions!!!!
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Location: Georgia | That's what I think, too! I'm contacting them again asking about all ionophores. The sad truth is most all mills use ionophores in producing other types of livestock feed. It all comes down to money. Very few could stay in business if they only manufactured horse feed. But I would definitely be willing to pay more for my feed to insure I am not poisoning any more of my horses! There's just not much choice concerning different brands in our area!
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Location: Texas | Here is the reply from Bryant Feeds when I asked about their cattle feed. Their first email said they use no ionophores in feed.
The Medicated feeds for cattle are medicated w/ Chlortetracyline, not an ionophore. We do not handle any products, such as Rumensin or Urea that can be detrimental to equine.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | ladyelbert - 2015-02-17 12:42 PM
Wellllll crap i have just read through 31 pages of this thread and i am now more confused than i ever was!!!! I Feed Stategy healthy edge to my 22 year old, a 9 yr old and an 8 yr old...they each get Sho-Glo mineral every day, they get get hay 24/7 and turnout 24/7. I do feed the 22 yr old and the 8 yr old biotin in thier feed to help with thier hooves. I really like feeding this feed, but now i am unsure on what to do.... i am open to suggestions!!!!
The Purina in my area comes from Kansas City which has no medicated cattle feed there so I switched to Purina Ultium. From my understanding Purina Equine is safe but it wont hurt to find out where your feed is made and make a phone call to ask. Make sure you ask if the mill is ionophore free! not ionophore safe. There's a difference. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Fun2Run - 2015-02-17 12:59 PM Here is the reply from Bryant Feeds when I asked about their cattle feed. Their first email said they use no ionophores in feed.
The Medicated feeds for cattle are medicated w/ Chlortetracyline, not an ionophore. We do not handle any products, such as Rumensin or Urea that can be detrimental to equine.
Caution in using in horses, as stressed horses given parenteral or oral tetracyclines may develop severe, sometimes fatal, enterocolitis. (B201)
The feed companies just think we are stupid. Google can be your best friend.Adverse Effects / Side Effects / Warnings: If ... In horses, individuals stressed ... of chlortetracycline. ...
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-17 1:18 PM Fun2Run - 2015-02-17 12:59 PM Here is the reply from Bryant Feeds when I asked about their cattle feed. Their first email said they use no ionophores in feed.
The Medicated feeds for cattle are medicated w/ Chlortetracyline, not an ionophore. We do not handle any products, such as Rumensin or Urea that can be detrimental to equine.
Caution in using in horses, as stressed horses given parenteral or oral tetracyclines may develop severe, sometimes fatal, enterocolitis. ( B201)
The feed companies just think we are stupid. Google can be your best friend.
Adverse Effects / Side Effects / Warnings: If ... In horses, individuals stressed ... of chlortetracycline. ...
Exactly!!! Just like my one local mill that told me that they only ran Bovatec through the sacked line...
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I'm thinking that Renew Gold is sounding like a good option. I was feeding the Big V feeds but it looks like they use the "less dangerous" ionophore still. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | You know what? Many many moons ago, we mixed our own feed; from fresh grains that we grew and harvested ourselves.....I was a little kid but I remember....I'm thinking that might be the way to go..... |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Leo - 2015-02-17 3:46 PM You know what? Many many moons ago, we mixed our own feed; from fresh grains that we grew and harvested ourselves.....I was a little kid but I remember....I'm thinking that might be the way to go.....
The majority of my horses get plain oats and you can bet your bottom dollar, this next harvest I'll have a truck waiting at the end of the field when my brother goes to dump the combine. |
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Location: Kansas | Leo - 2015-02-17 3:46 PM You know what? Many many moons ago, we mixed our own feed; from fresh grains that we grew and harvested ourselves.....I was a little kid but I remember....I'm thinking that might be the way to go.....
does oats cause ulcers? I'm not a feed guru, just curious as i was thinking of feeding them. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-17 3:52 PM Leo - 2015-02-17 3:46 PM You know what? Many many moons ago, we mixed our own feed; from fresh grains that we grew and harvested ourselves.....I was a little kid but I remember....I'm thinking that might be the way to go..... does oats cause ulcers? I'm not a feed guru, just curious as i was thinking of feeding them.
My Dad fed corn and oats for over 20 years and had two horses colic over that span and he always had between 30 to 40 horses on his property. From there I fed corn and oats until the mycotoxins started showing up in the corn. I had to quit feeding oats when we moved to Texas as quality oats in Texas doesn't exist. |
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Location: I am not sure most days | I am normally a lurker too but this is just too ridiculous to not comment on..... I have not read through this whole post but what I have read, some have asked about whole oats, I want to let you know what happened to me. I have a 16 year old broodmare that I have owned for over 10 years now, this mare has never coliced or had any major health issues since I have owned her. I have worked really hard to go back to as natural of feed as I can and that means mixing my own. This mare was 5 months pregnant and started showing signs of colic, I was scared to give her banamine at this stage of her pregnancy, I checked with my vet and she said that with the weather being dry she was seeing a lot of 'colic' and we decided that it was better to treat her than leave her alone, mare was fine, a few days later she coliced again. Me being the worry wart that I am called the vet and had her checked to make sure no issues with her or the baby. Well I got to thinking that the only thing I changed in her diet was the brand of whole oats that I fed her. I had switched her to Hi-Pro whole oats. I had noticed that the inside of the bags had a greasy look to them and I thought "that is weird, I have never seen the inside of an oat bag look greasy," these bags did not have a funny smell. Right after the second episode of colic I opened a new bag and this smell hit me, it smelled like someone had poured diesel in the bag. I had my husband come out to smell and as soon as he walked into my feed room he asked what I was doing with diesel in there! grrrrrrrr All 5 bags that I had purchased smelled the same way. I took all of them back to my feed store. He checked with the manufacturer and they said they put a type of oil on the oats because they sell to a lot of competition people and this 'added oil' keeps the horses from colicing.................hmmmmmm. Strange I had the opposite effect. The manufacturer also stated that the smell was coming from a different type of oil that was not completely cleanded from the bin. I switched to a different brand of whole oats and amazingly have had no more colic episodes. I now wonder about the beet pulp that I feed. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Oats do not cause ulcers. Walk in any race barn in Lexington KY and you'll find race horse oats and alfalfa being the main source of food. Alfalfa is high in calcium, oats are high in phosphorus and a good carbohydrate. I fed oats for a several years, but my mare who had flapper surgery is HIGHLY allergic to them, so I had to switch. Instead of feeding one horse one thing and everyone else something different, I swapped everybody. Honestly, it's been trial and error ever since.
If anyone does make the decision to feed a straight grain instead of a complete feed, you still need to call and make sure they are being processed at an ionophore free mill. If not, your 'more organic' oats could be what they are using to 'rinse' the monesin from the mill between processes. |
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Location: NC | I have not had a chance to read all pages so im sorry if someone has already asked but does anyone know if blue seal is safe? And southern states? My gelding has been on blue seal for 10+ yrs and not had an issue but just would like to figure out. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | There is another thread about what feed is safe and what isn't. I'm 99% blue seal is ok, it's a Kent feed correct? |
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| Hi Pro is a very popular feed where I live. A few years ago I tried it and only fed one bag. Didn't care for it all. Found too many things in it. I did buy a few hi pro steamed rolled oats back then too they were alright. Since then I just get while oats from the field from my father in law. |
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Location: Kansas | The email I received from a rep at Nutrena:
Hello Aushlin,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill does not have rumensin/monensin and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin including TX, OK, LA, MS, AL, and FL.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know!
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Location: The Great Midwest | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-18 9:04 AM
The email I received from a rep at Nutrena:
Hello Aushlin,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill does not have rumensin/monensin and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin including TX, OK, LA, MS, AL, and FL.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know!
Thanks,
I feed Nutrena Safe Choice Perform and live in the Kansas City area. So this means my feed is ok? I purchase it from either tractor supply in Independence, MO, Feldmans in Blue Springs MO. or STG feed in Oak Grove MO. I just want to be sure before I freak out an switch feeds! All 4 of our horses are on this and half a scoop of beet pulp. Should I be worried about the beet pulp? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-18 9:04 AM The email I received from a rep at Nutrena:
Hello Aushlin,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill does not have rumensin/monensin and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin including TX, OK, LA, MS, AL, and FL.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know!
Thanks,
They told me my feed came from a rumensin/monensin free mill also....the mill uses a different ionophore though. Again...they are trying to cover their butts. I quit using Nutrena. |
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Location: Texas | Red River Grain in Oklahoma makes NO medicated feed. Here is their website:
http://www.redrivergrainok.com/
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Location: The Great Midwest | So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM
So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL
There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few.
I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away.
Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. :) |
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Location: The Great Midwest | Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM
Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM
So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL
There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few.
I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away.
Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : )
Thank you!! Looks like Ill be making the switch to Purina!! And I just bought feed yesterday... Sigh. So now I have to go through the process of finding a feed to work. Ive been researching Omolene #400 BUT I hate the idea of feeding a sweet feed... I would love to feed ultium but maybe in the summer as my mare is not as active right now. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Willow55 - 2015-02-18 4:12 PM
Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM
Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM
So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL
There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few.
I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away.
Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : )
Thank you!! Looks like Ill be making the switch to Purina!! And I just bought feed yesterday... Sigh. So now I have to go through the process of finding a feed to work. Ive been researching Omolene #400 BUT I hate the idea of feeding a sweet feed... I would love to feed ultium but maybe in the summer as my mare is not as active right now.
You could try the Enrich? It's a ration balancer. More protein, less fat, lots of vitamins; you feed about a pound of it a day. That's what my stud horse is on now because he's fatter than a butterball. lol
I like Omelene, but molasses freezes, so I'd need a claw hamer to break it lose to feed it. lol Purina also has Stradegy, the Impact line, as well the Omelene's and Ultium's. There's a bit of variety. I've been reading up on it quite a bit hear lately. :) |
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Location: The Great Midwest | Leo - 2015-02-18 4:18 PM
Willow55 - 2015-02-18 4:12 PM
Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM
Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM
So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL
There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few.
I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away.
Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : )
Thank you!! Looks like Ill be making the switch to Purina!! And I just bought feed yesterday... Sigh. So now I have to go through the process of finding a feed to work. Ive been researching Omolene #400 BUT I hate the idea of feeding a sweet feed... I would love to feed ultium but maybe in the summer as my mare is not as active right now.
You could try the Enrich? It's a ration balancer. More protein, less fat, lots of vitamins; you feed about a pound of it a day. That's what my stud horse is on now because he's fatter than a butterball. lol
I like Omelene, but molasses freezes, so I'd need a claw hamer to break it lose to feed it. lol Purina also has Stradegy, the Impact line, as well the Omelene's and Ultium's. There's a bit of variety. I've been reading up on it quite a bit hear lately. : )
Thank you :) She is what I would call a medium keeper LOL not a hard keeper and not an easy keeper. I will look into enrich as I want to make sure she is getting the vitamins she needs. I was on omelene 500 a while ago and she was a nut, healthy edge wasn't enough. |
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Location: CTX | Willow55 - 2015-02-18 12:26 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-18 9:04 AM The email I received from a rep at Nutrena:
Hello Aushlin,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill does not have rumensin/monensin and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin including TX, OK, LA, MS, AL, and FL.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know!
Thanks, I feed Nutrena Safe Choice Perform and live in the Kansas City area. So this means my feed is ok? I purchase it from either tractor supply in Independence, MO, Feldmans in Blue Springs MO. or STG feed in Oak Grove MO. I just want to be sure before I freak out an switch feeds! All 4 of our horses are on this and half a scoop of beet pulp. Should I be worried about the beet pulp?
This is what I got from a Nutrena rep:
Jolene Wright
Feb 18, 9:19 AM
Hi Dijanne,
Our mills in TX, OK, LA, MS, AL, FL, and Kansas City that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin. From the lot number you provided the feed was made in Oklahoma City which does not have rumensin/monensin. All of the mills in TX and OK supply feed to TSC stores; however, you are correct that TSC is a large company and they have their own distribution centers. I recommend contacting TSC to find out where their distribution centers are and where they get feed from and if there is a possibility it would come from outside the states mentioned above. We have no way of knowing how they distribute the feed once they get it to their distribution centers. I hope this helps! We greatly appreciate your business!
So, I am not convinced it is safe to be feeding this anymore, because TSC can ship their grain from allover.....
I will be transitioning them all to Renew Gold as soon as possible.
Only bad thing is that my broodmare is due next month, and I really don't feel good changing her feed right now. Am going to have a talk to my vet, and as soon as she thinks it's safe I will be starting her on RG also.... |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I'm pretty much done with bagged feed. I'll continue to feed the Renew Gold but I decided not to continue feeding the small amount of Triple Crown SR that I use to mix in with his Beet Pulp at night. The 1# of Renew Gold isn't enough to keep my horse in the condition I want him in so I guess I will be upping his alfalfa. I wouldn't feed any grain if Purina was my only option. |
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Location: The South | Can I ask why some people don't like Purina? I didn't have any experience with it but we bought a horse in November that was on Strategy, and she looked awesome so I saw no reason to change. I was feeding Seniorglo to my 21 year old but I won't give ADM another dime. |
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| LindsayJordan84 - 2015-02-18 6:49 PM
Can I ask why some people don't like Purina? I didn't have any experience with it but we bought a horse in November that was on Strategy, and she looked awesome so I saw no reason to change. I was feeding Seniorglo to my 21 year old but I won't give ADM another dime.
Most don't like purina because its NOT a FIXED FORMULA. THey will tell you percentages of protein, fat, fiber etc but the ingredients can change from batch to batch. Usually they are known for picking the least expensive product. Anyway, I used Ultium with a lot of success. I think its a fixed formula. I have no proof of any of this but that's what I have read about here regarding purina. Triple Crown etc is a fixed formula. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-18 9:12 PM LindsayJordan84 - 2015-02-18 6:49 PM Can I ask why some people don't like Purina? I didn't have any experience with it but we bought a horse in November that was on Strategy, and she looked awesome so I saw no reason to change. I was feeding Seniorglo to my 21 year old but I won't give ADM another dime. Most don't like purina because its NOT a FIXED FORMULA. THey will tell you percentages of protein, fat, fiber etc but the ingredients can change from batch to batch. Usually they are known for picking the least expensive product. Anyway, I used Ultium with a lot of success. I think its a fixed formula. I have no proof of any of this but that's what I have read about here regarding purina. Triple Crown etc is a fixed formula.
There's a reason it's hard to find the actual ingredient list for Purina feeds and it's not because they are proud of them like Triple Crown. Purina is known for buying low grade grains. Always have. I can remember going through the Omolene 200 and they had oat hulls instead of a whole oat. Pellets are used so they can take all the broke up crap and make it into a pellet so you can't actually see what you are feeding. To each his own...I've been a Purina hater for years and I'm sure nothing is going to change that. Like I said..before I would feed Purina I'll just add more alfalfa to my horse's diet. To each his own. To all that have good luck with it that's great. |
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Location: The South | Thank you ladies! I had no idea what a "fixed formula" was. This whole ADM saga has taught me so much about horse feed.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-02-18 9:22 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-18 9:12 PM LindsayJordan84 - 2015-02-18 6:49 PM Can I ask why some people don't like Purina? I didn't have any experience with it but we bought a horse in November that was on Strategy, and she looked awesome so I saw no reason to change. I was feeding Seniorglo to my 21 year old but I won't give ADM another dime. Most don't like purina because its NOT a FIXED FORMULA. THey will tell you percentages of protein, fat, fiber etc but the ingredients can change from batch to batch. Usually they are known for picking the least expensive product. Anyway, I used Ultium with a lot of success. I think its a fixed formula. I have no proof of any of this but that's what I have read about here regarding purina. Triple Crown etc is a fixed formula.
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| Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM
So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL
This is NOT just pelleted feed. Many textured feeds are blended with meds.
Also, that FDA list is not inclusive of rumensin and bovatec ctc and so on- those are not class II drugs requiring a license. |
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| If I wasn't able to get Blue Bonnet here I'd feel completely confident in feeding Purina Ultium. It is a fixed formula from what i understand. There is no tag the ingredients are printed right on the bag. However I was told blue bonnet omega force was a fixed feed but they have a tag on their bags .. so who knows! |
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Location: Kansas | Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few. I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away. Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : )
I just spoke with a purina rep...and I'm going to switch to ultium. It's going to hurt cost wise but he said I won't need to feed nearly as much as what I'm feeding currently to get my gelding back up to weight. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | No Purina stocked around here--special order only. I did find out when I went to the farm store that they had bought some chaff hay to try out and said they would start stocking it if I wanted. I brought home a bag to see. I'm excited about trying it on the geriatrics. My only other option for senior feed is Nutrena. Was the Byhalia, MS plant clean? I thought I read it wasn't, then read that it was and I'm confused. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | I'm feeding chaffehay in place of my alfalfa pellets (that were not from I-free facilities). My grown horses seem to really like it, the babies are still unsure. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-19 4:25 PM No Purina stocked around here--special order only. I did find out when I went to the farm store that they had bought some chaff hay to try out and said they would start stocking it if I wanted. I brought home a bag to see. I'm excited about trying it on the geriatrics. My only other option for senior feed is Nutrena. Was the Byhalia, MS plant clean? I thought I read it wasn't, then read that it was and I'm confused.
Its not on the list of medicated feed plants but it wouldn't hurt to send a message to Nutrena. I just posted on their facebook page and asked where my feed came from and if it was ionophore free. THey got back to me real quick. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Many people don't like Purina because it doesn't have many fixed formula feeds like Nevertoold stated. Its one of the drawbacks. I will say I have fed and will feed the Ultium and Ultium growth again and again. I know that's not their only fixed formula feed either. It's pricy but I could feed half or less than half of the recommended bag weight and have FAT healthy horses. Obviously I fed the Ultium paired with a high quality grass hay. I don't think its a good thing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I'm NOT a fan of Strategy or some of their other lower quality feeds. They do have some good stuff though, you just have to do your homework. To do this day, I have not seen anything put weight on one like Ultium either. |
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Location: Florida.. | Willow55 - 2015-02-18 5:12 PM Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few. I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away. Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : ) Thank you!! Looks like Ill be making the switch to Purina!! And I just bought feed yesterday... Sigh. So now I have to go through the process of finding a feed to work. Ive been researching Omolene #400 BUT I hate the idea of feeding a sweet feed... I would love to feed ultium but maybe in the summer as my mare is not as active right now.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-20 10:29 AM Willow55 - 2015-02-18 5:12 PM Leo - 2015-02-18 3:46 PM Willow55 - 2015-02-18 3:37 PM So we've come to the conclusion that no pelleted/manufactured grain is safe? What is safe? I know zero about mixing my own feed or what to do if I want to get off of the Nutrena..... Which sounds like what I need to do asap. Are there any companies that make absolutely NO medicated feed? I will look up the one located in OK posted above but I am in MO and If I have to feed grain from another state... well there goes my savings LOL There is a list on another thread showing what manufacterers have ionophore free grain/mills. Purina is one, BlueBonnet, Kent Feeds, Woodys, Buckeye, Tribute, to name a few. I,personally, went from Nutrena SafeChoice to Purina Ultium. So far, I'm liking the switch. I know a lot of people aren't fond of Purina BUT their horsefeed is ionophore free and they are a national distributor, which makes them easier to locate. All the other things I listed are not local to me at all. I did find some Buckeye feeds about 45 miles away but that was the only one, whereas the Purina is only 8 miles away. Even mixing your own grain, you'd have to know it came from an i-free facility. I was just talking about mixing my own because we used to do that many years ago. We actually grew our own corn, oats, and whatever else. We mixed our own cattle and horse feed. Again, that was years ago, I was a small child. However, we still have all the equipment, so if it came to it, I'd have to figure it out. : ) Thank you!! Looks like Ill be making the switch to Purina!! And I just bought feed yesterday... Sigh. So now I have to go through the process of finding a feed to work. Ive been researching Omolene #400 BUT I hate the idea of feeding a sweet feed... I would love to feed ultium but maybe in the summer as my mare is not as active right now.
The Purina Sr Active that I feed is a textured pellet. My old mare seems to really like it. |
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Location: The Great Midwest | After a long research session I have decided to switch to renew gold. My feed store is going to get it for me and I'm very happy to try this feed. I will also do alfalfa pellets as well. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements.
I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list. |
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Location: OH. IO | Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 12:51 PM
CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements.
I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list.
I wanted to bring the dog food issues up as well.ive been hearing some not so good things lately about dogs loosing their lives on purina and the questions around purina dog food.Its scarey to see everyone switching to them with the issues arising now. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 11:51 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list.
Please excuse my stupidity Kathie. Let me say this. ADM promised they were the best for our horses and I tried that, Nutrena promised they were the best and I tried that. Both of those companies are PROVEN that they are producing feeds that are tainted with Ionophores. Maybe I misspoke but that's what I was told. One thing I know is the Ultium I feed comes from a ionophore FREE plant. There are a lot of feed companies that are bombing out on that now. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-22 1:02 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 11:51 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list.
We've all been lied to and since Purina had lied to me in the past..I'm not going to start believing them now. The newest problem I see with them is when Land O Lakes took them over. Colgate Palmolive is another big company buying up smaller dog feed companies and ADM is doing the same. Why? What I've been told and what makes sense is these companies have by products from producing other food items and waste cost money so now they have a place for their by products whether it be in horse feed or dog and cat feed. I fed California Naturals dog food for years and when Colgate Palmolive took over they swore they weren't going to change formulas and it would still be the high grade food it had been for years and years. Didn't take them long to get on the recall list twice in a short length of time. I trust non of the big companies..period. I now feed Hi-Tek dog food and if they have a recall they are out of business. When these big companies have a recall they continue to business as usual.
Then take Triple Crown. Primo feed for years and then they decided to quit milling it in house and got a contract with Nutrena to mill their feed. Do you really think Nutrena gives a crap about the quality of the Triple Crown they are mixing? The inconsistency of their feed showed up pretty quickly when this change was done. Now getting fresh milled feed is a joke. I went in the back of my feed store and looked at tags from the different TC feeds that they had just got in and all of it was over 60 days old and I was told that in the winter 90 days is old feed and in the summer 45 days is old feed and shouldn't be fed. I'm so done with all the big companies. They don't care about our animals. It's their bottom line and since our president has made it fashionable to lie these companies find it just fine to do. Their lies have become a marketing tool. They all suck. |
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Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-22 1:02 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 11:51 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list.
Honestly unless we grow our own grain we will never be 100% positive. All I can do right now is find a company that is promising ionophore free. not ionophore safe. I agree Nutrena failed me, Adm flunked. and Blue bonnet seems to be working. if not I will have to go to Purina. I tried Total equine years ago and I didnt like the way my horses looked. I tried Renew gold but it didnt work either. I am hoping with the spot light to this problem Purina and the other ionophore free mills up their quality control. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | SG. - 2015-02-22 2:52 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-22 1:02 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 11:51 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list.
Thankfully I live where oats is grown and I can get it fresh from the field. That doesn't do anything for my gelding that need a low starch feed. As for dog food, my dogs all eat frozen horse turds.
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Location: Florida.. | I havent used either of these in years but for non competing or high strung horses Id recommend this.. but its low fat.. so keep that in mind... .seminole is free mill nationally..
http://seminolefeed.com/shop/equine-feeds/seminole-wellness-calm-cool/
Purina has this one out..it smells really good to. a low starch feed.have used it few years ago down south for my high strung mare.... .http://purinamills.com/horse-feed/products/wellsolve-l-s-horse-feed/ |
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Location: Nebraska | jake16 - 2015-02-22 12:11 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 12:51 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list. I wanted to bring the dog food issues up as well.ive been hearing some not so good things lately about dogs loosing their lives on purina and the questions around purina dog food.Its scarey to see everyone switching to them with the issues arising now.
I'm pretty sure the Purina Dog Food and Purina Horse Feeds are completely separate companies owned by different people. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | brlracerchick - 2015-02-22 5:29 PM jake16 - 2015-02-22 12:11 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 12:51 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list. I wanted to bring the dog food issues up as well.ive been hearing some not so good things lately about dogs loosing their lives on purina and the questions around purina dog food.Its scarey to see everyone switching to them with the issues arising now.
You're right. When I was growing up they were the same company and then the company split and the pet care products were bought by Nestle. There has been a few changes of hands with the animal feeds beginning in the late 80's. |
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Location: Florida.. | Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 6:52 PM brlracerchick - 2015-02-22 5:29 PM jake16 - 2015-02-22 12:11 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-22 12:51 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-19 2:32 PM I switched to Ultium and so far I've been able to feed less than directed. He seems to get full faster. Granted he's on a big round of prairie hay. I was told that Purina is picky on what they buy and is known to turn away many trucks of feed daily because it doesn't meet requirements. I would sure like to know when they started to buy the best grains as they never did before. LOL They have changed hands way too many times for my liking and in reality, after dealings with them, I don't trust anything they say nor am I believing much of what any of these feed companies say and you can sure add dog food companies to that list. I wanted to bring the dog food issues up as well.ive been hearing some not so good things lately about dogs loosing their lives on purina and the questions around purina dog food.Its scarey to see everyone switching to them with the issues arising now.
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Location: East Texas | I finally got my feed results back this weekend. I sent off Triple Crown senior and this is what they found. They sent it to a different lab to run a Sulphur test also, still awaiting those results.
darn its hard to read:
Aflatoxin- 2.6ppb
Fumonisin-0.3ppb
Negative for Ionophores
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Location: Beggs, OK | Thank you for posting your results!
There is now a FB page with this same title: Is Your Horse Feed Safe?
It will be dedicated to sharing articles, studies, and information on ionophore toxicity in horses. |
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| Looks like it tested positive for a couple things? |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-23 10:58 AM
Thank you for posting your results!
There is now a FB page with this same title: Is Your Horse Feed Safe?
It will be dedicated to sharing articles, studies, and information on ionophore toxicity in horses.
Thank you for this info! I liked that page! |
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Location: Beggs, OK | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-23 11:08 AM Looks like it tested positive for a couple things?
It shows small amounts of aflatoxin, but well under the action limit set by the FDA. |
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| Got it. WHat about Fumonisin?
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Location: Here | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-23 11:27 AM
Got it. WHat about Fumonisin?
It is a type of mold |
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| My test results came back too....Yay! So relieved! Still will not feed it again tho, it is ran through the same machines as rumensin and something about that feed made them sick. But very relieved it was no ionophores!!!!
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| SG. - 2015-02-23 10:16 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-23 11:27 AM
Got it. WHat about Fumonisin?
It is a type of mold
Thanks! I assumed it was some other form of Monesin. lol |
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Location: Here | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-23 1:17 PM SG. - 2015-02-23 10:16 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-23 11:27 AM Got it. WHat about Fumonisin? It is a type of mold Thanks! I assumed it was some other form of Monesin. lol
I googled it to know what it was... |
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Location: Beggs, OK | MrsHound - 2015-02-23 12:18 PM My test results came back too....Yay! So relieved! Still will not feed it again tho, it is ran through the same machines as rumensin and something about that feed made them sick. But very relieved it was no ionophores!!!!
The problem with this test is that it only tests to 1ppm. Many of the issues that are coming up are from levels that are just below the 1ppm threshold. The test results from the horses that are showing heart damage were 1.2ppm, .94ppm, and .43ppm of Monensin. Trace amounts may not kill your horse, but they will make some horses very sick and can cause permanent damage. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-23 12:45 PM MrsHound - 2015-02-23 12:18 PM My test results came back too....Yay! So relieved! Still will not feed it again tho, it is ran through the same machines as rumensin and something about that feed made them sick. But very relieved it was no ionophores!!!!
Well that is not very reassuring...How do you get them to test for less? I paid $110 for that test |
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Location: Beggs, OK | MrsHound - 2015-02-23 1:48 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-23 12:45 PM MrsHound - 2015-02-23 12:18 PM My test results came back too....Yay! So relieved! Still will not feed it again tho, it is ran through the same machines as rumensin and something about that feed made them sick. But very relieved it was no ionophores!!!!
Different labs have different testing abilities. Dr. Blakely recommended to me to have a lab with LC/Mass Spec capabilities confirm the values. My tests were done by OADDL, the lab at OSU in Stillwater, OK. They sent one sample to UC Davis to have it verified, because it showed Lasalocid as well as Monensin. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-23 1:26 PM MrsHound - 2015-02-23 1:48 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-23 12:45 PM MrsHound - 2015-02-23 12:18 PM My test results came back too....Yay! So relieved! Still will not feed it again tho, it is ran through the same machines as rumensin and something about that feed made them sick. But very relieved it was no ionophores!!!!
I sent the lab an email...Just wish this was over and I could be done worrying :-( Never again will I feed a pelleted or processed feed |
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Location: Texas | I am very late to the conversation, but I did read the first several pages.
Can someone please give me the short list of feeds that are safe to feed horses? Ie, not produced in a mill that uses monensin in any way?
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Location: Here | amyliz - 2015-02-23 9:37 PM I am very late to the conversation, but I did read the first several pages. Can someone please give me the short list of feeds that are safe to feed horses? Ie, not produced in a mill that uses monensin in any way? Thank y'all.
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| This is the response I recieved from the lab:
Although our instrumentation has the capability of “seeing” below 1 ppm for each of the ionophores we test for, we do not report out to these lower limits. I recognize the concern over horses consuming feed tainted with trace amounts of ionophores – there is a lot of press covering these stories right now; however, it would take sufficiently more drug to create a problem for your horse and I would be reluctant to advise you otherwise. Please consider the report that you have received as a “negative” finding and assurance that the supplier of this feed has done due diligence to provide a clean product.
I feel confident my horses are fine and am going to let myself quit worrying about this. I have switched to whole oats and feel like this was a very eye opening experience. I am glad to have been made aware of this problem with feed before it became a problem for my horses. Thanks for this topic and all the information!
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Location: Beggs, OK | MrsHound - 2015-02-25 6:30 AM This is the response I recieved from the lab:
Although our instrumentation has the capability of “seeing” below 1 ppm for each of the ionophores we test for, we do not report out to these lower limits. I recognize the concern over horses consuming feed tainted with trace amounts of ionophores – there is a lot of press covering these stories right now; however, it would take sufficiently more drug to create a problem for your horse and I would be reluctant to advise you otherwise. Please consider the report that you have received as a “negative” finding and assurance that the supplier of this feed has done due diligence to provide a clean product.
I feel confident my horses are fine and am going to let myself quit worrying about this. I have switched to whole oats and feel like this was a very eye opening experience. I am glad to have been made aware of this problem with feed before it became a problem for my horses. Thanks for this topic and all the information!
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-25 12:18 PM MrsHound - 2015-02-25 6:30 AM This is the response I recieved from the lab:
Although our instrumentation has the capability of “seeing” below 1 ppm for each of the ionophores we test for, we do not report out to these lower limits. I recognize the concern over horses consuming feed tainted with trace amounts of ionophores – there is a lot of press covering these stories right now; however, it would take sufficiently more drug to create a problem for your horse and I would be reluctant to advise you otherwise. Please consider the report that you have received as a “negative” finding and assurance that the supplier of this feed has done due diligence to provide a clean product.
I feel confident my horses are fine and am going to let myself quit worrying about this. I have switched to whole oats and feel like this was a very eye opening experience. I am glad to have been made aware of this problem with feed before it became a problem for my horses. Thanks for this topic and all the information!
Which company gave you this response?
It wasnt a feed company, it was from the lab my vet sent the sample to: Diagnostic Center for Population and Animal Health Michigan State University
They were never told the feed company the sample came from, so there is no bias there |
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Location: East Texas | We just received the second test results back from my triple crown senior. It showed excessive high sulphur content. According to OSU, there is not a lot of information about Sulphur toxicity, however they believe this is what caused the issues with my guy. |
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| Run n on faith - 2015-03-03 9:43 AM
We just received the second test results back from my triple crown senior. It showed excessive high sulphur content. According to OSU, there is not a lot of information about Sulphur toxicity, however they believe this is what caused the issues with my guy.
I guess the good news is, excessive Sulfer is better than Monesin. |
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Location: OH. IO | Bumpin back up because I see people feeding or asking about certain feeds lately and this thread is just an awsome wealth of info |
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