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| Ok so here is the story.....I have a coming 2 year old filly that is the result of a not so intentional breeding. I raised this filly in a stall with her mother for the first few months of her life. I spent a lot of time with her so I am a little sentimental about her. My husband is not satisfied with her growth and conformation. He wants to send her down the road ASAP but I feel selling her as is without further training, she is bound for a really tough life or a truck to Mexico..and I just cannot be ok with that. I want to think this is just her "ugly duckling stage" and that she will overcome her current appearance. I would like to halter break her and go ahead and register her AT LEAST before offering her for sale. My husband thinks I am wasting my time and money. I just feel I should give her a fighting chance and that its the responsible thing to do. I cannot ride her myself because I am tied up with my new (human) baby. Looking at her Sire and Dams pedigree (sires maternal side is pretty weak), do you guys think she is marketable at all?
Edited to add: I do agree we should sell her (do to my lack of time to devote), my argument to my husband is that she could be desireable to a good home once papered and halter broken. :)
Sire: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bogies+french+te Dam:http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/little+bit+o+leo
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| I like the dam side as much as the sire side. I think she is certainly worth registering and halter breaking at the very least. |
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Location: NE Texas | Absolutely I do. Some of the greatest barrel horses of our time were far from halter horses or had perfect conformation. My theory is "you gotta try em all". I say register her and go on with her and see what happens. There's no harm in that at all. |
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Location: Kansas | register her, and go from there. I do believe she would be marketable. Lots of people love frenchmans bogie horses. |
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| register, there are a lot of people that are on tight budgets that she would appeal to. |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | I would have to agree with the others on here... Halter break her and start messing with her in your spare time. Give her time to grow up and fill out. I bet you will be surprised. |
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| I agree with the above posters. Put a little more time into her, get her halter broke, registered, then see where you're at. And who knows, maybe in a month or two, she'll really shoot up! I have a couple very well bred coming two year olds that I look at some days and wonder if they'll ever start looking like "real" horses. When you see them every single day, it's hard to see the difference. |
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | Please register her and give her a chance. :) I don't see anything wrong with that pedigree as far as a using type horse. She may not be what a barrel racer is looking for (on paper) but she certainly could be a great ranch or rope horse. I think your gut feeling is right on the money! |
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| Not much point halter breaking her if you are not going to register her.
Currently people can buy so so registered prospects for 200-1500.
I have a different philosophy with horses, so I do send mine out for atleast 30 days and try to find the perfect home.
If they are quiet and won't make a top barrel horse, I will still put the time, effort and money into making them an awesome kids horse.
The way I see it is god chose me to care for the horse, and it is my responsibility to ensure they are used to the best of their potential |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-02-05 10:17 AM Not much point halter breaking her if you are not going to register her. Currently people can buy so so registered prospects for 200-1500. I have a different philosophy with horses, so I do send mine out for atleast 30 days and try to find the perfect home. If they are quiet and won't make a top barrel horse, I will still put the time, effort and money into making them an awesome kids horse. The way I see it is god chose me to care for the horse, and it is my responsibility to ensure they are used to the best of their potential
I agree with you, I want to ensure she has something to offer and some skills so that she will be desireable to a good home. My husband is wanting her off the feed bill now, and I am saying no, lets register and halter break her THEN offer her for sale. |
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| Thank you all for the feedback. I needed some reassurance that she would be marketable once registered and halter broken. I don't care if I make money on her or not, I just don't want to send her out into the world with no skills or registration. I feel giving her at least that much is WAY better than selling her as is or giving her away. My hubby thinks no one would want her but I would really love to prove him wrong. |
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Location: Texas | That's a very decent pedigree. I agree with registering her and giving her a chance.
As far as growth, feed her some alfalfa every day and she'll grow. Either that, or some junior feed that contains the amino acids that encourage growth - alfalfa has them too. |
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| Whiteboy - 2015-02-05 9:10 AM I like the dam side as much as the sire side. I think she is certainly worth registering and halter breaking at the very least.
Thank you for your advice! I agree that with my little one I dont have time to start her ect and she needs to be sold, but I dont want to sell her with no registration or skills. That just sounds to me like a one way trip to Mexico :( |
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| Fun2Run - 2015-02-05 11:07 AM That's a very decent pedigree. I agree with registering her and giving her a chance.
As far as growth, feed her some alfalfa every day and she'll grow. Either that, or some junior feed that contains the amino acids that encourage growth - alfalfa has them too.
Thanks so much for the advice! I will do that. I am determined to make her a desirable prospect to someone. :) |
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| I like the breeding and I would register this foal. If it's any consolation, this is my ugly duckling (of an intentional breeding). And I should add here that the foal picture is about 6 hours after he was born.
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| brlraceaddict - 2015-02-05 11:44 AM I like the breeding and I would register this foal. If it's any consolation, this is my ugly duckling (of an intentional breeding). And I should add here that the foal picture is about 6 hours after he was born.
Very nice looking horse! Thank you for sharing :) |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Actually, there is alot to like about the pedigree of the sire. Including the bottom side!!! It would be a travesty to not halter break and register this filly. If I was closer,I'd take her off your hands right now. Is she getting good care right now? Is she still in a stall? Do you have any pics? Are you close to LRQHS? I bet she could trade you some great hunting machines for this filly. lol |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-02-05 1:36 PM Actually, there is alot to like about the pedigree of the sire. Including the bottom side!!! It would be a travesty to not halter break and register this filly. If I was closer,I'd take her off your hands right now. Is she getting good care right now? Is she still in a stall? Do you have any pics? Are you close to LRQHS? I bet she could trade you some great hunting machines for this filly. lol She has been turned out on a huge pasture of good grass since she was about 7 months old. We do still go put our hands on her from time to time. She comes right up to you, and will allow you to pick up all four feet, rob all over her. This is because of the handling she recieved as a foal. She needs her feet done, but other than that is in normal pasture condition. I am an hour south of Shreveport. I believe LRQHS is a good ways south of me not certain though.
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first is her at 6 month (she was well balanced then)
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| luvropin - 2015-02-05 10:09 AM Please register her and give her a chance. :) I don't see anything wrong with that pedigree as far as a using type horse. She may not be what a barrel racer is looking for (on paper) but she certainly could be a great ranch or rope horse. I think your gut feeling is right on the money!
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I think she's cute!
And for the record -- our colts are usually on the smaller side too. I dont personally agree with feeding them up so they go through their yearling, two year old and three year old years looking 'behind'. it used to bother me alot but by the times they are 4 or 5, they have caught up and you can't tell they were ever behind. Likely she will catch up... and there are alot of badly conformed horses that can smoke the pretty ones... My futurity horse this year is toed in terribly on her front end. She still runs like snot :)
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| Runs like snot  I have got to remember to use that LOL! Thanks for the feedback! |
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Location: Southern IL somewhere between KY and MO | I like her and her breeding.....she just needs to grow up and fill out she is just a lanking kid right now give her time. If I was closer I'd come get her |
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Location: NE Texas | Can't tell much from the second picture but in the first picture she looks pretty cute to me. A little downhill, but what baby isn't at some point? I think you should just go on and make a horse out of her. Don't worry about what she is or isn't as far as what she looks like and go make the history books! |
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| scwebster - 2015-02-05 11:13 AM brlraceaddict - 2015-02-05 11:44 AM I like the breeding and I would register this foal. If it's any consolation, this is my ugly duckling (of an intentional breeding). And I should add here that the foal picture is about 6 hours after he was born.
Very nice looking horse! Thank you for sharing :)
Thank you, and for what it's worth, I don't see what is not to like about that filly of yours. Almost all of them go through awkward stages growing up. I'd give her a chance to see what she can become. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I agree with everyone else. Register her and halterbreak her at least. She has a decent using horse pedigree. She might even make a nice barrel horse. I don't think Louie has a name brand pedigree and he certainly can turn a set. Many of them are awkward at that age (we've had a couple), especially if they are going to be reasonably tall. Give her time. |
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Register her and give her a chance. She'll be worth more with papers anyway.
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Little Bit of Boogie
Little Bit of Bar Boogie
DontQuestionMyBoogie
Leo Makes Me Boogie
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| Anniemae - 2015-02-05 5:37 PM
Have you thought of registered names?
Little Bit of Boogie
Little Bit of Bar Boogie
DontQuestionMyBoogie
Leo Makes Me Boogie
IMakeGuysBoogieAtBars
GuysLikeMyBarBoogie
Miss Bit of Boogie
I like her Dams pedigree I just don't know much about her sires dams side. I love those names you pitched by the way!!! Def will be sending some of them in on her application ! :) |
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I think she is a decent looking horse. Like others have said, I would halter break her, register her and get her going. She isn't far behind. If its any consolation, I have a big beautiful buckskin gelding that I've owned since he was 5 (20 now). Years ago we met the man who bred him and he informed us that he had to keep him in the very back pasture out of sight when he was a colt because he was so small and ugly. I honestly couldn't even imagine. No he did not get registered, but he is the best horse I have and probably the best in will ever own.
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Hurry up and register her now before the price goes up. She's a doll. I really like her dam side :) |
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Location: on my horse | Hell I would buy her no problem. I really like the way she's bred, but I prefer a horse with some foundation type blood and a little bit of run. If you want her off your hands you can come visit the beautiful state of Idaho and bring her along 
She's definitely worth registering and halter breaking, unintentional or otherwise, that's going to be a nice little horse someday and I'd be willing to bet she's going to be very good minded. |
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Location: Texas | I would definitely register her, even possibly send her to a trainer for 30 days to add value to her. Even if she isn't the next 1D horse, she could very well be a great rope horse, hazing horse or ranch horse. Some of the best horses that we've had on our ranch have been unregistered, ugly or just built funny. Luckily she is young, you can register her and she can go any direction at this point. You have to give her a chance or let someone have the opportunity to give her a chance. |
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| I think I would listen to my husband who is concerned with your families financial welfare rather than feeding an unregistered filly. Since you have no breeding certificate there is the cost of putting the dam on a stallion breeding report, stud fee ?? and at 24 months old the registering cost is $305 plus DNA of $40-50, your AQHA membership $40 ... as you can see you are pushing $400-500+ or more just to register the filly.
The sire to this filly is bred to be a roping horse and has several full siblings so apparently the dam is no slouch in the roping pen. Frenchmans Bogie has sired a PHBA world and reserve roping world champion!!
You need to find out who your fillies dam actually is ... LITTLE BIT O LEO is an old mare 1977 model. ... LITTLE BIT O LEO 022 is a 2005 model ... if you try to register her as you have her on allbreed you could run into some big time problems with AQHA with additional DNA and possible AQHA inspector costs ...
I would suggest again ... realize the filly is a cost that may not fit your budget right now since you have a new baby and hyperinflation is increasing the prices of everything big time. .. It is time for you to make a decision for your family with no animosity or resentment towards your husband ... do it for your family ... it is little things like this that fester and could ruin your marriage!!
One of these posters likes her enough to want to buy her ... work out a deal and sell the filly right here on your thread ...
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| redmansmyman11 - 2015-02-05 10:09 PM Hell I would buy her no problem. I really like the way she's bred, but I prefer a horse with some foundation type blood and a little bit of run. If you want her off your hands you can come visit the beautiful state of Idaho and bring her along She's definitely worth registering and halter breaking, unintentional or otherwise, that's going to be a nice little horse someday and I'd be willing to bet she's going to be very good minded.
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| EqualRanch - 2015-02-05 11:01 PM I would definitely register her, even possibly send her to a trainer for 30 days to add value to her. Even if she isn't the next 1D horse, she could very well be a great rope horse, hazing horse or ranch horse. Some of the best horses that we've had on our ranch have been unregistered, ugly or just built funny. Luckily she is young, you can register her and she can go any direction at this point. You have to give her a chance or let someone have the opportunity to give her a chance.
Here is a kicker.....my husband trains horses for a living (specializing in roping horses) I may have to pay him to ride her like any other customer lol. Thank you for the feedback |
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| horsegirl - 2015-02-06 8:44 AM A 2 year old that is not halter broke?
She has been tuned out to grow. She has worn a halter a couple of times but I would not say she is halter broke, no. |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | Lol. Don't judge. A friend just picked up a coming 4 yr old that isn't halter broke. He catches and leads but just had his first tying lesson last weekend and has only had his feet trimmed once in his life (when he was knocked out to be gelded 2 months ago). Your little mare will turn out to be the love of someone's life .. Kudos to you for wanting to give her a fighting chance. |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | coco~n~cash - 2015-02-05 1:44 PM
I like her and her breeding.....she just needs to grow up and fill out she is just a lanking kid right now give her time. If I was closer I'd come get her
I think you should go get her, its not that far plus I agree I like how she is bred. You need another horse. |
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| willrodeo4food - 2015-02-06 10:25 AM Lol. Don't judge. A friend just picked up a coming 4 yr old that isn't halter broke. He catches and leads but just had his first tying lesson last weekend and has only had his feet trimmed once in his life (when he was knocked out to be gelded 2 months ago). Your little mare will turn out to be the love of someone's life .. Kudos to you for wanting to give her a fighting chance.
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| redmansmyman11 - 2015-02-05 10:09 PM Hell I would buy her no problem. I really like the way she's bred, but I prefer a horse with some foundation type blood and a little bit of run. If you want her off your hands you can come visit the beautiful state of Idaho and bring her along She's definitely worth registering and halter breaking, unintentional or otherwise, that's going to be a nice little horse someday and I'd be willing to bet she's going to be very good minded.
I think you made my day lol. Should I let you know when she is ready to go? Hhaha |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Most of those lines are late bloomers. I can't imagine why your honey don't like her. They tend to blossom into eye popping eye candy. Register her. Looks like you may have a few buyers already. too bad I'm flat a$$ broke. Since she comes to you getting her to follow shouldn't be a problem. |
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Location: Somewhere between the badlands and worselands | The mare in my avatar was the ugliest baby.....ever. I think she's pretty nice now and she won 2 high point Coors ropings in the past 2 weeks.
Give her a chance. At least you'll know you tried rather than always wondering what if. How ****ed are you gonna be if you let her go and someone else turns her into a winner or one heck of a using horse.
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Location: west of East Texas | I am on those that loves their Frenchmans Bogie horse. Her picture on her registration papers are not very attractive but she truly is a gorgeous horse. If Barbie had a horse, it would look like this one. She is a 15.3+h, 2007 mare, golden palomino, that also works pretty well. My 12yo daughter runs her and this weekend they ran three 2D runs with 100, 350+, and 200+ entries in Hamilton, TX. She also runs low 21s in poles. Wasn't Frenchmans Bogie a pretty nice rope horse? |
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Location: MD | chasendacash - 2015-02-09 11:43 PM
I am on those that loves their Frenchmans Bogie horse. Her picture on her registration papers are not very attractive but she truly is a gorgeous horse. If Barbie had a horse, it would look like this one. She is a 15.3+h, 2007 mare, golden palomino, that also works pretty well. My 12yo daughter runs her and this weekend they ran three 2D runs with 100, 350+, and 200+ entries in Hamilton, TX. She also runs low 21s in poles. Wasn't Frenchmans Bogie a pretty nice rope horse?
Wait?! Is G a Bogie? If she's the one you're talking about.... I totally second what a nice one she is!!! |
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Location: west of East Texas | Yes, G is a daughter of Frenchmans Bogie.
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| chasendacash - 2015-02-09 11:43 PM I am on those that loves their Frenchmans Bogie horse. Her picture on her registration papers are not very attractive but she truly is a gorgeous horse. If Barbie had a horse, it would look like this one. She is a 15.3+h, 2007 mare, golden palomino, that also works pretty well. My 12yo daughter runs her and this weekend they ran three 2D runs with 100, 350+, and 200+ entries in Hamilton, TX. She also runs low 21s in poles. Wasn't Frenchmans Bogie a pretty nice rope horse?
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Location: west of East Texas | I got her at the end of her 3yo year and she was already pretty. She did grow another 3 inches over the next couple of years but she was past the gangly stage. Mentally, she's been pretty nice the whole time. Strong enough in her maturity level that I let my then 10yo daughter talk me out of her when the mare was just coming 6. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Anniemae - 2015-02-05 5:37 PM Have you thought of registered names?
Little Bit of Boogie
Little Bit of Bar Boogie
DontQuestionMyBoogie
Leo Makes Me Boogie
IMakeGuysBoogieAtBars
GuysLikeMyBarBoogie
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-02-11 11:09 AM Anniemae - 2015-02-05 5:37 PM Have you thought of registered names?
Little Bit of Boogie
Little Bit of Bar Boogie
DontQuestionMyBoogie
Leo Makes Me Boogie
IMakeGuysBoogieAtBars
GuysLikeMyBarBoogie
Miss Bit of Boogie
Boogierunslikesnot.. LOL, Just couldn't resist!
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| Does anyone remember this thread? I wanted to post an update with pics of my filly. She is now two, and we are in the process of registering her. My husband has decided we should keep her and start her at least :)
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Location: NC | scwebster - 2015-07-29 9:34 AM
Does anyone remember this thread? I wanted to post an update with pics of my filly. She is now two, and we are in the process of registering her. My husband has decided we should keep her and start her at least :)
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