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 A Gopher's Worst Nightmare
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Location: Southern Oregon | What saddles have the best bar shoulder flare? I have been trying to fit my mare and it is being a pain! Tonight my good friend that does saddle fitting, fit her in a ROOHIDE cutting saddle. Oh man what an amazing saddle! It was older, but it felt like an old glove when I sat in it. I loped some circles and could feel a huge difference. She told my mare needs a 6ish gullet. 8 top bar and 13 bottom bar. Any one know which way to look for brands with theses types of similar measurements? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I don't know about exact measurements and my saddles are all out in the trailer but the Cactus Charmayne James has a lot of flare. |
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 Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Also not sure of exact measurements, but Meleta Brown saddles have a lot of flare and shoulder room. You can find some great used ones, they are so well made, they look new yrs later. |
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I found a picture that I took of the front of one of my CJ's. It doesn't show it with a tape measure but you can see the flare.
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A Gopher's Worst Nightmare
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Location: Southern Oregon | Thank you ladies. I have a few emails out on some Meleta brown's barrel saddles as well as the cactus saddles. Does anyone know for sure how much of a bar flare that those two saddles have? I looked them up last night and couldn't find the bottom bar and top bar width measurements anywhere
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 Thick and Wavy
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Location: Nebraska | Lynn Mckenzie by Double J.
Meleta is on here, message her to ask about the actual numbers on her tree! Sorry, but I can't remember her username. I'm sure someone else knows it. |
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | cowgirl_3207 - 2015-02-10 8:44 AM Thank you ladies. I have a few emails out on some Meleta brown's barrel saddles as well as the cactus saddles. Does anyone know for sure how much of a bar flare that those two saddles have? I looked them up last night and couldn't find the bottom bar and top bar width measurements anywhere
I'll measure mine when I go out. We've got freezing rain right now so not sure when I'll toughen up enough to go out in it. LOL |
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 The BHW Book Worm
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| Wimpyb is meleta and she is AMAIZING she has 2 trees both with a TON of shoulder flair. Her original tree is for a horse with more rock in there back or a dip behind the shoulder the other is for a horse with a table top back. I found a used meleta original and snatched it up and absolutely love it |
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A Gopher's Worst Nightmare
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Location: Southern Oregon | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-10 7:09 AM
cowgirl_3207 - 2015-02-10 8:44 AM Thank you ladies. I have a few emails out on some Meleta brown's barrel saddles as well as the cactus saddles. Does anyone know for sure how much of a bar flare that those two saddles have? I looked them up last night and couldn't find the bottom bar and top bar width measurements anywhere
I'll measure mine when I go out. We've got freezing rain right now so not sure when I'll toughen up enough to go out in it. LOL
I would appreciate that greatly! I have asked 5 or 6 people for those measurements and They either have NO clue what I am asking for or dont get back to me. These aren't cheap saddles, I dont want to buy and then have to resale to purchase something else that might work. How do you like the seat on your cactus? I am pretty use to a deep pocket type seat. |
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | cowgirl_3207 - 2015-02-10 9:13 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-10 7:09 AM cowgirl_3207 - 2015-02-10 8:44 AM Thank you ladies. I have a few emails out on some Meleta brown's barrel saddles as well as the cactus saddles. Does anyone know for sure how much of a bar flare that those two saddles have? I looked them up last night and couldn't find the bottom bar and top bar width measurements anywhere I'll measure mine when I go out. We've got freezing rain right now so not sure when I'll toughen up enough to go out in it. LOL I would appreciate that greatly! I have asked 5 or 6 people for those measurements and They either have NO clue what I am asking for or dont get back to me. These aren't cheap saddles, I dont want to buy and then have to resale to purchase something else that might work. How do you like the seat on your cactus? I am pretty use to a deep pocket type seat.
I personally like them. I bought my first one when CJ moved to Cactus so I've had it quite a few years. I now have 3 of them. I wouldn't call them a deep seat. They are lower in the swells than some saddles but I've tried those deep seated saddles and I personally don't like them. I think its what you get used to and what works for you. I promise I'll get you some measurements. It might be later today before I do it.  |
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Location: Canada | Double J - contact them about their Pro and Buff models. I have the Buff and the flare is amazing in it. Couldn't be happier with the freedom that it provides my big shouldered gelding while still giving me a 6 3/4 gullet. Took this horse from being sore and not clocking to major improvement. |
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Location: who knows? | The Contender made by Shiloh Saddlery has a flared bar as well. |
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I snapped some pictures of the measurements. Can I text them to you so it would be quicker than me trying to resize? You can mssg me your cell if you want. |
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 Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Meleta Browns and LMs by Double J I know have flared bars. Love them both, prefer the Meleta. And she will be more then happy to help anyone! Just give her time to respond as I know she isn't on a computer a lot. |
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Expert
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Location: The Great Northwest | You can get a Double J with regular or wide fit tree with nearly any angled bars. Double J and Martin as well as CIRCLE Y make their own trees. Most dealers have trees to sit on your horse to actually see how the tree will fit. It is hard to see how a saddle is actually fitting once it is built. If you can't get with a dealer, go to the sites they will send you a saddle to try for three days. |
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Location: Fort Bragg North Carolina | How do u know info on the bar if your saddle isn't name brand or is an older ranch saddle? I know measurements but how to u know if one flares etc? |
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | charlenenh - 2015-02-12 6:15 AM How do u know info on the bar if your saddle isn't name brand or is an older ranch saddle? I know measurements but how to u know if one flares etc?
If one flares out it will look like the saddle I posted above. I'll see if I can find a picture of one that's straight. |
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Here's a Brandi halls that is considered to have FQHB just like my CJ. This picture isn't the best but its all I have on the computer without going to the trailer. You can see a little bit how its real straight going down to the skirt.
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I own a meleta, a lm nueva, and a pozzi. All three have differing degrees of flare. pozzi has the least of the 3, meleta has more, nueva has the most :) |
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Location: USA | Anyway you would post of picture of your pozzi and your Meleta stacked to see the difference. Is your Pozzi the standard tree? |
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 Banjo and Baby
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | Im a fan of Shilohs, but was not happy with my Contender's, I ordered one of the first orginal ones back in 2007 and that fit my narrow high withered horse great, he outgrew that though and don't think they fit a horse well that has shoulders. I ordered a Contender in 2012 on a 7" gullet (the other's are either a 6 3/4 or a 6 1/2) for my avg built app and he turned into a naughty bucker, ended up with a 7" crown c and he improved and was freed up quite a bit more. He is not in an 8 crown c, but I still consider him avg. My favorite saddle is a Jerri Mann Shiloh I think they have the most bar flare from all the Shilohs I've tried, they are just a little more than the Ed Wrights as well. I've talked to Meleta and she thinks the new tree she has which is wider than her orginal would fit my app. I just wish I could find a used JM in a 14.5-15", dang near impossible.
Heres the JM
Heres my first Contender from 2007
Here's my 7" gullet Contender from 2012
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 Mighty Elk Slayer
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Location: Lewisburg, Tennessee | nvrenuf - 2015-02-10 3:36 PM The Contender made by Shiloh Saddlery has a flared bar as well. Yes! I love my Jordon Peterson Contender. I have a Cactus CJ as well but my Shiloh seems to have more flare and a narrower seat. 
I bought my Contender new from Stacy in the fall of 2009 and he had just changed the tree to have more flare.
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Lookin For Diamonds - 2015-02-12 9:33 AM
Anyway you would post of picture of your pozzi and your Meleta stacked to see the difference. Is your Pozzi the standard tree?
Yes, I can get a picture of all three stacked this weekend for you :) My pozzi is a 2008 on a standard tree, yes. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Nueva on top, meleta in middle, pozzi on bottom. pozzi doesn't have a ton of flare. When put next to a saddle with zero flare it looks more impressive lol.
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Location: USA | jschipper - 2015-02-13 2:49 PM Nueva on top, meleta in middle, pozzi on bottom. pozzi doesn't have a ton of flare. When put next to a saddle with zero flare it looks more impressive lol.
Thanks for taking that picture.... Helps to see them all togther to see the difference. |
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| Stacey at Shiloh still makes a Jeri Mann. I wonder if they are the same as the older model?
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Location: Sunny California | You can have Stacey make you a saddle on any tree. I had a 2007 JM that didn't fit either of my horses, but my friend's older JM fit both of them, so I had him make me a new saddle on the older tree. |
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 Husband Spoiler
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Location: North Dakota | You can get Jeff Smith barrel saddles with a cutter tree. My friend loves her Roohide cutting saddle so she purchased a Jeff Smith barrel saddle and loves it. |
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