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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | Would you buy a horse that you know the grand father tested pos for PSSM1?
http://www.cvm.umn.edu/umec/lab/Advances_in_PSSM/home.html
According to this article the offspring have a 100% change of inheritence.
I have run across two super nice filly's with Two Eyed Red Buck as the grand father.
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Location: Kansas | Has the sire/dam or the filly herself been tested? |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Find out if the sire and dam are tested. I have tested all of my broodmares and my stallion so my foals are are proven n/n through parentage. If you really like these horses ask the owner if they would have them tested or offer to pay for the test. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Assuming that it was going to be positive... I personally wouldn't. I'm not 100% sure, but I think that they need to be worked everyday. My pasture that I have for riding is low land and if it rains I'm not able to ride for a good few days. I could handle the dietary restrictions (I think), but I wouldn't be able to handle the physical aspect of it. My gelding tied up once of me and it was the most horrifying experience.... but I didn't know what I was doing at the time. I've learned a lot since then, but not enough to feel safe handling a positive horse. |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | Thanks for the feedback. In both cases the dam and sire were not tested. |
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| My mom had a horse that had it and we managed it with Vit E/Selenium shots each month. It was managable but anything extra is just a pain. Especially if you forget. |
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Location: Kansas | I have a granddaughter of Two Eyed Red Buck. LOVE her. If you like the horses, have them tested. |
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Location: mi | $40 to test. If you want the filly have her tested. Takes less then a week to get the results back simply by pulling hair.
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| If either parent is P/P, they have a 100% chance of being affected.
They are considered positive if they are N/P, an N/P bred to an N/N only has a 50% chance of being affected.
If her grandfather was the one positive, that doesn't mean she has a 100% chance of being positive also.
If I liked one otherwise, I would test & go from there. |
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Location: Willows, CA | These horses are not for everyone. They do need to be worked every day. If that does not work in your schedule, you are much better off buying something else. I have worked with a lot of these. I have also been involved in the diets used for much of the original clinical work to study both PSSM and ERM. They can be managed with a combination of diet and exercise, but it is a big commitment.
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Location: southeast Texas | TEST, go to animal genetics and read their information.
Its not hard, pull mane hair with root bulb intact. Thirty strands if I remember correctly. Deposit in a brown paper envelope. They contacted me when they received the hair sample. And emailed me the results, doesn't take long. And send you a hard copy.
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Location: ND | If you are interested in the horse get her tested. She may or may not be a carrier & you can make a far better decision if you test & know for sure if she is/isn't. |
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Location: North Dakota | roxieannie - 2015-02-10 12:03 PM TEST, go to animal genetics and read their information.
Its not hard, pull mane hair with root bulb intact. Thirty strands if I remember correctly. Deposit in a brown paper envelope. They contacted me when they received the hair sample. And emailed me the results, doesn't take long. And send you a hard copy.
It is my experience that the hair test does not give you 100% results as well as a blood test doesnt. The only sure way is to do a muscle biopsy. I speak from personal experience. I had a PSSM filly and the blood test came back negative. Because her tieing up episodes were severe, I had the muscle biopsy done and sure enough, it came back positive. I would never want another one. Its a horrible disease. I couldnt manage her through diet and exercise. She was only 3. |
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| BabyJ - 2015-02-10 10:14 AM
Would you buy a horse that you know the grand father tested pos for PSSM1?
http://www.cvm.umn.edu/umec/lab/Advances_in_PSSM/home.html
According to this article the offspring have a 100% change of inheritence.
I have run across two super nice filly's with Two Eyed Red Buck as the grand father.
Am I being overly cautious?
Depends on what I want the horse for
Is the horse proven?
Pedigree is it something I have to have?
Price, is it substantially cheaper then similar caliber, and similar pedigree?
I can handle the Pssm, there are medications that can help such as pergolide |
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Location: Desert Land | Runnincat - 2015-02-10 10:59 AM roxieannie - 2015-02-10 12:03 PM TEST, go to animal genetics and read their information.
Its not hard, pull mane hair with root bulb intact. Thirty strands if I remember correctly. Deposit in a brown paper envelope. They contacted me when they received the hair sample. And emailed me the results, doesn't take long. And send you a hard copy.
It is my experience that the hair test does not give you 100% results as well as a blood test doesnt. The only sure way is to do a muscle biopsy. I speak from personal experience. I had a PSSM filly and the blood test came back negative. Because her tieing up episodes were severe, I had the muscle biopsy done and sure enough, it came back positive. I would never want another one. Its a horrible disease. I couldnt manage her through diet and exercise. She was only 3.
Hair Test is for PSSM1, Muscle Biopsy is for PSSM2 |
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Location: Central Texas | cheryl makofka - 2015-02-10 1:31 PM BabyJ - 2015-02-10 10:14 AM Would you buy a horse that you know the grand father tested pos for PSSM1? http://www.cvm.umn.edu/umec/lab/Advances_in_PSSM/home.html According to this article the offspring have a 100% change of inheritence. I have run across two super nice filly's with Two Eyed Red Buck as the grand father. Am I being overly cautious? Depends on what I want the horse for Is the horse proven? Pedigree is it something I have to have? Price, is it substantially cheaper then similar caliber, and similar pedigree? I can handle the Pssm, there are medications that can help such as pergolide
I know pergolide is used for treating cushings in horses but I have not heard of it for PSSM....do you have any info on it?? |
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Location: Central Texas | In short my answer would be NO. My neighbor's horse is PSSM and it's a daily struggle to keep him happy and comfortable. If she misses even one day of exercising him it gets bad. She feeds him correctly and works him everyday and he still has bad days. If I already owned and loved the horse then I would deal with it but after watching what it's like I would not buy one on purpose. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Test. If positive it would be a deal breaker for me. Animal Genetics gets the results back very quickly and you can make an educated decision. But that would be for PSSM1 only.
If the horse is PSSM2 they don't know if it's genetic yet. DNA test doesn't test for it. Blood can tell if the muscle is affected. Biopsy is the only conclusive test for PSSM2
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| GraciousLegacy - 2015-02-10 2:32 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-02-10 1:31 PM BabyJ - 2015-02-10 10:14 AM Would you buy a horse that you know the grand father tested pos for PSSM1? http://www.cvm.umn.edu/umec/lab/Advances_in_PSSM/home.html According to this article the offspring have a 100% change of inheritence. I have run across two super nice filly's with Two Eyed Red Buck as the grand father. Am I being overly cautious? Depends on what I want the horse for Is the horse proven? Pedigree is it something I have to have? Price, is it substantially cheaper then similar caliber, and similar pedigree? I can handle the Pssm, there are medications that can help such as pergolide
My aunt has 2 that tested positive for Pssm 1 and they are on a daily dose of pergolide and do well on it.
I am not a vet nor had any direct involvement, so I have not done my homework on why it was perscribed, and why it is working.
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It would be a deal breaker for me. I'm all about low maintenance. There are LOTS of deal breakers for me though.
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Location: Canada | Having had to take care of a PSSM horse for a client no I would pass and would advise clients to do the same. The clients horse is a fast mare and super catty but I carry an arsenal of drugs with me every time she hauls her some where in the off chance she ties up. She's on a regulated work schedule and diet but she still ties up.
There are too many nice horses out there to risk it on a PSSM horse.
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Location: Willows, CA | GraciousLegacy - 2015-02-10 2:38 PM
In short my answer would be NO. My neighbor's horse is PSSM and it's a daily struggle to keep him happy and comfortable. If she misses even one day of exercising him it gets bad. She feeds him correctly and works him everyday and he still has bad days. If I already owned and loved the horse then I would deal with it but after watching what it's like I would not buy one on purpose.
This is my feeling also. |
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| Absolutely "NOT" if you've never experienced it, the heartache with it is beyond words. Plus you better have deep pockets as it's a game changer. I will only buy horses that are 5 panel tested N/N and if I suspect PSSM2 I will pass. I hope they come up with better test for PSSM2 besides muscle biopsy. And now that all AQHA stallions have to be tested in order to register foals in 2016, it helps us who like to breed to pick 5 panel N/N tested seeing as AQHA will give you the results on any stallion tested. |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | Thank you all! You have been so helpful. |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | I ended up buying this foundation bred little cutie.
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