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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | The foals that are being thrown by a given stud are not decided on just by the stud itself. Mares play a huge part in how the foals are as well. So many people seem to forget that mare power is just as important as the stud power. |
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Not the best shots, but a few pics of him this past weekend....
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:20 PM
The foals that are being thrown by a given stud are not decided on just by the stud itself. Mares play a huge part in how the foals are as well. So many people seem to forget that mare power is just as important as the stud power.
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | LRQHS - 2015-02-18 8:37 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:20 PM The foals that are being thrown by a given stud are not decided on just by the stud itself. Mares play a huge part in how the foals are as well. So many people seem to forget that mare power is just as important as the stud power. She has the mare power.
That's fine, it just bothers me a little when everything is focused just on the stud. I also believe it is how the mare is built and how that will cross with the stud build, but maybe I'm just looking at it wrong. |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | LRQHS - 2015-02-18 8:43 PM You aren't. It is true. I just already knew she had it.
Completely understand! If I had the mare power, I definitely have a few studs that I would LOVE to breed to. |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | I've been following one Katie McCaslan's Ghost. He seems to have huge potential and if I had the opportunity I would cross him on any one of my mares. He doesn't have any on the ground as he is still young, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on him and what he produces. Lions Share of Fame is also another one of my favorites. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:50 PM
I've been following one Katie McCaslan's Ghost. He seems to have huge potential and if I had the opportunity I would cross him on any one of my mares. He doesn't have any on the ground as he is still young, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on him and what he produces. Lions Share of Fame is also another one of my favorites.
LSOF sure is nice. Do you have any pictures of the Ghost horse, sounds interesting.
ETA: As you can see, mare power is not a problem. Meet Scarlet, 2014 baby. But I totally get your message.
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | oija - 2015-02-18 8:53 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:50 PM I've been following one Katie McCaslan's Ghost. He seems to have huge potential and if I had the opportunity I would cross him on any one of my mares. He doesn't have any on the ground as he is still young, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on him and what he produces. Lions Share of Fame is also another one of my favorites. LSOF sure is nice. Do you have any pictures of the Ghost horse, sounds interesting.
His name is TKW Runaway Fame, he hasn't been hauled much but here is a video. He is by Dash Ta Fame out of an Ocean Runaway daughter
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oija - 2015-02-18 8:53 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:50 PM I've been following one Katie McCaslan's Ghost. He seems to have huge potential and if I had the opportunity I would cross him on any one of my mares. He doesn't have any on the ground as he is still young, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on him and what he produces. Lions Share of Fame is also another one of my favorites. LSOF sure is nice. Do you have any pictures of the Ghost horse, sounds interesting.
His name is TKW Runaway Fame, he hasn't been hauled much but here is a video. He is by Dash Ta Fame out of an Ocean Runaway daughter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1midsKBz8
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | oija - 2015-02-18 8:59 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:58 PM oija - 2015-02-18 8:53 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:50 PM I've been following one Katie McCaslan's Ghost. He seems to have huge potential and if I had the opportunity I would cross him on any one of my mares. He doesn't have any on the ground as he is still young, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on him and what he produces. Lions Share of Fame is also another one of my favorites. LSOF sure is nice. Do you have any pictures of the Ghost horse, sounds interesting. His name is TKW Runaway Fame, he hasn't been hauled much but here is a video. He is by Dash Ta Fame out of an Ocean Runaway daughter
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Definitely a looker too. I love greys.
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Location: Where I am happiest | oija - 2015-02-18 7:41 PM
Okay, so there are tons of studs out there and lots have great performance records and great temperaments, obviously things you want in a stud's offspring, but which one in your experience throws the prettiest babies. I also mean conformation not color. Which one throws the most balanced, beautiful babies?
Without a doubt, Frenchmans Guy! His foals are so balanced and so very pretty and he produces that over and over and over again! . |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Murphy - 2015-02-19 8:14 AM
Are we talking the best looking stud? Or the stud that throws consistantly good looking colts?
It seems that people are doing both so feel free. I think my title suggests one thing and original post another. Poor planning on my part. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | oija - 2015-02-19 8:20 AM Murphy - 2015-02-19 8:14 AM Are we talking the best looking stud? Or the stud that throws consistantly good looking colts? It seems that people are doing both so feel free. I think my title suggests one thing and original post another. Poor planning on my part.
Right. I posted according to your origional post asking for " Which one throws the most balanced, beautiful babies?" |
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Location: Beggs, OK | SKM - 2015-02-19 9:25 AM Pappasito. His pictures ate beautiful! But he's even better looking in the flesh! I haven't seen a bad looking colt by him yet. My now 2 year old by him is exceptionally pretty and smart. I'm dying to pick her up and get her started!
I think you have me leaning toward Pappasito for my girl... We watched some of his race films last night and Greg is in love. He was wonderful in the gate, just standing flat footed with all the commotion around him...That, and the fact that he is GORGEOUS, lol. I think he will compliment my mare very well.
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Location: Texas | My first down french babies were both stamped by him. Beautiful beautiful babies. Granted their dams are pretty correct mares and contributed too but there are qualities he throws across the board I like. big hips, coon tails, pretty heads, correct legs.. |
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Location: Kansas | TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:58 PM oija - 2015-02-18 8:53 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:50 PM I've been following one Katie McCaslan's Ghost. He seems to have huge potential and if I had the opportunity I would cross him on any one of my mares. He doesn't have any on the ground as he is still young, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on him and what he produces. Lions Share of Fame is also another one of my favorites. LSOF sure is nice. Do you have any pictures of the Ghost horse, sounds interesting. His name is TKW Runaway Fame, he hasn't been hauled much but here is a video. He is by Dash Ta Fame out of an Ocean Runaway daughter
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-19 10:09 AM SKM - 2015-02-19 9:25 AM Pappasito. His pictures ate beautiful! But he's even better looking in the flesh! I haven't seen a bad looking colt by him yet. My now 2 year old by him is exceptionally pretty and smart. I'm dying to pick her up and get her started! I think you have me leaning toward Pappasito for my girl... We watched some of his race films last night and Greg is in love. He was wonderful in the gate, just standing flat footed with all the commotion around him...That, and the fact that he is GORGEOUS, lol. I think he will compliment my mare very well.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-19 10:28 AM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:58 PM oija - 2015-02-18 8:53 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-02-18 8:50 PM I've been following one Katie McCaslan's Ghost. He seems to have huge potential and if I had the opportunity I would cross him on any one of my mares. He doesn't have any on the ground as he is still young, but I'm definitely keeping my eye on him and what he produces. Lions Share of Fame is also another one of my favorites. LSOF sure is nice. Do you have any pictures of the Ghost horse, sounds interesting. His name is TKW Runaway Fame, he hasn't been hauled much but here is a video. He is by Dash Ta Fame out of an Ocean Runaway daughter
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bennie1 - 2015-02-19 10:33 AM I have not seen an ugly Ivory James. And Ivory James himself is really nice looking.
I love Ivory James, and I want one real bad as a broodmare. But I just dont see how they can stay sound with those twigs for legs. Very beautiful horses, but look very fine boned.
I just bought one a couple months ago that ran a 90 and won 8k on track. I think she had like 15 starts. She is out of a daughter of Mr Jess Perry.
She doesn't look fine boned to me. Let me see if I have a pic on my phone that might show her legs.
The pic lost a little integrity when I resized it. She is sound. I plan on riding her and starting her on barrels, so we'll see if she holds up to it.
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She looks like one of the heaviest boned IJ I've seen. Very nice!
Thank you. So far I love her. I haven't seen many in person, so she is my frame of reference. She has the best disposition. Really wants to be messed with. The more rides we get on her, the more I will know. |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | Whiteboy - 2015-02-19 11:41 AM bennie1 - 2015-02-19 10:33 AM I have not seen an ugly Ivory James. And Ivory James himself is really nice looking. I love Ivory James, and I want one real bad as a broodmare. But I just dont see how they can stay sound with those twigs for legs. Very beautiful horses, but look very fine boned.
I think that was actually one of his issues and why he came off the track. They couldn't keep him sound. That is just what I heard, so I have no inside information on it. Personally, I would breed to something else, for the price *personally* I would breed to something else. |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | bennie1 - 2015-02-19 11:53 AM Whiteboy - 2015-02-19 11:41 AM bennie1 - 2015-02-19 10:33 AM I have not seen an ugly Ivory James. And Ivory James himself is really nice looking. I love Ivory James, and I want one real bad as a broodmare. But I just dont see how they can stay sound with those twigs for legs. Very beautiful horses, but look very fine boned. I just bought one a couple months ago that ran a 90 and won 8k on track. I think she had like 15 starts. She is out of a daughter of Mr Jess Perry. She doesn't look fine boned to me. Let me see if I have a pic on my phone that might show her legs. The pic lost a little integrity when I resized it. She is sound. I plan on riding her and starting her on barrels, so we'll see if she holds up to it. Please excuse that she's a little drawed. She had just had a 10 hour trailer ride.
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Location: Desert Land | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-19 12:41 PM O gotcha cause it's only like $275 right now lol
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hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-19 12:41 PM O gotcha cause it's only like $275 right now lol
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Message me and I'll PM you the direct link....only problem is....added chute fee to bid.
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rachellyn80 - 2015-02-19 10:09 AM SKM - 2015-02-19 9:25 AM Pappasito. His pictures ate beautiful! But he's even better looking in the flesh! I haven't seen a bad looking colt by him yet. My now 2 year old by him is exceptionally pretty and smart. I'm dying to pick her up and get her started! I think you have me leaning toward Pappasito for my girl... We watched some of his race films last night and Greg is in love. He was wonderful in the gate, just standing flat footed with all the commotion around him...That, and the fact that he is GORGEOUS, lol. I think he will compliment my mare very well.
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SKM - 2015-02-19 9:25 AM Pappasito. His pictures ate beautiful! But he's even better looking in the flesh! I haven't seen a bad looking colt by him yet. My now 2 year old by him is exceptionally pretty and smart. I'm dying to pick her up and get her started!
I think you have me leaning toward Pappasito for my girl... We watched some of his race films last night and Greg is in love. He was wonderful in the gate, just standing flat footed with all the commotion around him...That, and the fact that he is GORGEOUS, lol. I think he will compliment my mare very well.
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I have bred 4 different mares to BHR Frenchies Socks and every foal by him has been extremely well balanced, excellent conformation and very easy on the eyes. His colts want to work and they are getting the job done in the arena.
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Bennie1, your boy is a handsome fella himself ;)
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bennie1 - 2015-02-19 10:33 AM I have not seen an ugly Ivory James. And Ivory James himself is really nice looking.
I love Ivory James, and I want one real bad as a broodmare. But I just dont see how they can stay sound with those twigs for legs. Very beautiful horses, but look very fine boned.
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SKM - 2015-02-19 9:25 AM Pappasito. His pictures ate beautiful! But he's even better looking in the flesh! I haven't seen a bad looking colt by him yet. My now 2 year old by him is exceptionally pretty and smart. I'm dying to pick her up and get her started!
I think you have me leaning toward Pappasito for my girl... We watched some of his race films last night and Greg is in love. He was wonderful in the gate, just standing flat footed with all the commotion around him...That, and the fact that he is GORGEOUS, lol. I think he will compliment my mare very well.
Well you did better than I did. I've seen Pappi in the flesh twice. Both times I was too star struck to even think about taking a picture. I was seriously like a little tween girl at a Justin Beiber concert. It was pathetic. I'm so glad you went and saw him! There really is no telling how good of a race horse he could have been had they not crippled him. They injected his coffin and it got infected. That's what ended his race career. |
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I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity.
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM
I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity.
I agree with what you are saying, I just am a little leery on him. Personally, I myself wouldn't shell out that stud fee for him, but then again I'm not sure I would breed to anyone except FG and DTF for more than that. Personal preference I guess? |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-19 11:09 AM
SKM - 2015-02-19 9:25 AM Pappasito. His pictures ate beautiful! But he's even better looking in the flesh! I haven't seen a bad looking colt by him yet. My now 2 year old by him is exceptionally pretty and smart. I'm dying to pick her up and get her started!
I think you have me leaning toward Pappasito for my girl... We watched some of his race films last night and Greg is in love. He was wonderful in the gate, just standing flat footed with all the commotion around him...That, and the fact that he is GORGEOUS, lol. I think he will compliment my mare very well.
I chose to breed my mare that I LOVE, and am only breeding once for a foal to keep to him. Got a pretty little filly that I adore. She is smart, athletic, & curious, picks things up fast. If I was breeding my mare again, I would probably go back to him because I like her so much.
IF I chose to go a different route, I would probably go Fly the Red Eye. He is a good looking guy. |
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| oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM
I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity.
That may be true but from the same program (meaning same feed, exercise program, ect) and all else being equal would you take the fine boned horse or the heavy boned horse? Which one is going to hold up to more work longer. There is a reason the ranch horses that have to work very hard are usually built the same way. But you might be able to get away with a fine boned horse if you are only casually running barrels or just looking at the pretty horse in the pasture. I rope and ride a ton, and I must have horses that hold up to rough country and lots of miles. |
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SKM - 2015-02-20 7:48 AM Whiteboy - 2015-02-19 10:41 AM bennie1 - 2015-02-19 10:33 AM I have not seen an ugly Ivory James. And Ivory James himself is really nice looking. I love Ivory James, and I want one real bad as a broodmare. But I just dont see how they can stay sound with those twigs for legs. Very beautiful horses, but look very fine boned. Not true. I have a now 3 year old filly that has great bone and feet. She's a really pretty, good minded, athletic filly. Nothing small bonef about her. But she is also out of an exceptional Bully daughter.
We've had more than one. I simply have one in my possession that wasn't sold as a yearling. Yes...I can certainly see how a stallion that was Top 15 on Leading Sites of 2014, top 10 on Leading Sires Of 2 year Olds in 2014, a horse that has had 100+ yearlings sell the past 2 years in a row with an average of $15,000 or so over 2 years is siring fine boned horses that can't stay sound. It also isn't like he's sired horses that went to the track prior to winning barrel futurities. All with only 4 crops of racing age and $6.3 million in earnings. Oh..... lol. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 8:51 AM oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity. That may be true but from the same program (meaning same feed, exercise program, ect ) and all else being equal would you take the fine boned horse or the heavy boned horse? Which one is going to hold up to more work longer. There is a reason the ranch horses that have to work very hard are usually built the same way. But you might be able to get away with a fine boned horse if you are only casually running barrels or just looking at the pretty horse in the pasture. I rope and ride a ton, and I must have horses that hold up to rough country and lots of miles.
Don't get me wrong...I LOVE my ranch horses, but do you know what the longevity is of the average ranch horse? There's a very well known ranch that we get a lot of ours from that quits them by the time they are 10 or 11 years old. You don't want one of theirs after they are 6 or 7 because they are already so beat up that they will be a rehab project for the rest of their lives.
There's a huge difference in "holding up" and being forced to work through pain. Bone size has no more to do with performance longevity than muscle mass does. The most crippled horses I've ever ridden were the big boned "cool looking" heading horses that everyone loves. |
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Location: Somewhere playing in the mud....Oklahoma | I LOVE Pappasito but i've also taken a shine to Furrtreeous, Louisiana Senator, and Brace for Bernal!
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-20 9:58 AM Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 8:51 AM oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity. That may be true but from the same program (meaning same feed, exercise program, ect ) and all else being equal would you take the fine boned horse or the heavy boned horse? Which one is going to hold up to more work longer. There is a reason the ranch horses that have to work very hard are usually built the same way. But you might be able to get away with a fine boned horse if you are only casually running barrels or just looking at the pretty horse in the pasture. I rope and ride a ton, and I must have horses that hold up to rough country and lots of miles.
There's a huge difference in "holding up" and being forced to work through pain. Bone size has no more to do with performance longevity than muscle mass does. The most crippled horses I've ever ridden were the big boned "cool looking" heading horses that everyone loves.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 8:51 AM
oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM
I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity.
That may be true but from the same program (meaning same feed, exercise program, ect ) and all else being equal would you take the fine boned horse or the heavy boned horse? Which one is going to hold up to more work longer. There is a reason the ranch horses that have to work very hard are usually built the same way. But you might be able to get away with a fine boned horse if you are only casually running barrels or just looking at the pretty horse in the pasture. I rope and ride a ton, and I must have horses that hold up to rough country and lots of miles.
There's a reason up around Wyoming and Montana they particularly like Hancock lines and foundation breeding. The animals hold up well in rough country and are tough mentally (though they can be tough on the body too as that grittiness can occasionally be accompanied by a tendency to buck). But they are not the only horses who have done well in that kind of country. Arabian horses have dealt with rocky areas and mountains and been more sure footed for centuries than anything we currently have and if sure footedness and grit are the best measure than a mule is the way to go hands down. So in terms of rough country a number of mounts might work considering the same feeding, training, etc.
Roping is another matter. Just like in order to pull heavy loads a draft horse works well because of their size and muscle mass and just can pull more a roping horse with bulk is better to have generally.
I read an interesting point made by Temple Grandin: generally finer boned and smaller animals tend to have higher fear reactions but also be smarter. They are more likely to flee than to fight. Larger animals, especially with larger bones, tend to have lower fear drives; they will fight you more instead of trying to flee. I think you can see this in the spiritidness of an Arabian vs. some likeliness of Hancock lines to buck. Grandin uses the example of something like a Labrador Retriever as compared to a Chihuahua. There's a reason that a number of bucking horses are mixes of the larger breeds (even drafts) with smaller horses. That mid sized horse that's not too big to really buck has a lower fear drive and is likely to buck longer if trained that its effective. Old timey cowboys liked these kind of horses because they will take a lot of mental abuse a finer boned animal won't take without breaking its mind. You could 'cowboy' them and they would suffer it; they would buck but they would last. I think we mistook their mental fortitude to suffer because of a lower flight instinct as equating with a certain grittiness. Since they also tended to have larger bones we also associated this with their grittiness on rough terrain. Arabians are still the best choice for endurance riders even over many types of Terrain; they are plenty sure footed but don't take abuse well. |
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| Whiteboy I am curious....you say you'd like to have an IJ daughter for a broodmare. But then you question their ability to stay sound because you feel they have fine bones and look fragile. So why would you want one for a broodmare then? I'm not being snarky. I'm just trying to wrap my head around wanting a mare with those type of traits for breeding purposes is all. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Smashedonpepper - 2015-02-20 10:09 AM
I LOVE Pappasito but i've also taken a shine to Furrtreeous, Louisiana Senator, and Brace for Bernal!
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I think Louisiana Senator is one of the best looking studs out there.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | oija - 2015-02-20 11:20 AM
Smashedonpepper - 2015-02-20 10:09 AM
I LOVE Pappasito but i've also taken a shine to Furrtreeous, Louisiana Senator, and Brace for Bernal!
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I think Louisiana Senator is one of the best looking studs out there.
Who wouldn't be in love?
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Location: Gainesville, TX | LRQHS - 2015-02-20 11:22 AM
oija - 2015-02-20 11:20 AM
Smashedonpepper - 2015-02-20 10:09 AM
I LOVE Pappasito but i've also taken a shine to Furrtreeous, Louisiana Senator, and Brace for Bernal!
FurLSBrace
I think Louisiana Senator is one of the best looking studs out there.
Who wouldn't be in love?
The bottom picture is Jess Louisiana Blue.
Oh no!!! You are right. I saw the "Louisianna" and that's who I thought of. Lousiana Senator is great! But I really love Jess Louisiana Blue. Thank you Jennifer!!! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | oija - 2015-02-20 5:57 AM I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity. This ^^^
When I was in my 20's I bought a filly from a friend to run and then start on barrels. She was a pretty feminine little thing. I was worried about her holding up. But she started 21 times on the track. Ran AAA multiple times won three races and placed in the majority of her starts. Then I started her on barrels during the winter of her 3-4 year old year. She ran all the barrel futurities in my region as a 5 year old and most of the derbies as a 6. Then I started running her in rodeos. She won a lot. Finally as a 13 year old I hurt my back and she pulled her check ligament and it seemed like a good time to retire us both. I raised 4 babies out of her. 2 I still have. The other 2 I sold and they are still running in their late teens. Bone size has less to do with soundness than correct structure of the leg and good nuturition/exercise. Exercise is what makes bone gain density. Density + correct conformation is what makes a sound horse.
I just bought a filly to breed. She's not heavy boned but she is sound. She's had 17 starts from 2 to 4. Her last start was on January 25th. She ran 4th. She's won 2, 2 seconds and 3 thirds and won 23k.
Just something I've observed from breeding horses over the years. A male horse is born with more bone than a female of the same cross. A horse gets more bone as they age especially if they have been used most of their life. Excercise and bone density actually increase the size of the bone.
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Location: Beggs, OK | LRQHS - 2015-02-20 11:22 AM oija - 2015-02-20 11:20 AM Smashedonpepper - 2015-02-20 10:09 AM I LOVE Pappasito but i've also taken a shine to Furrtreeous, Louisiana Senator, and Brace for Bernal!
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I think Louisiana Senator is one of the best looking studs out there. Who wouldn't be in love? The bottom picture is Jess Louisiana Blue.
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-20 9:58 AM
Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 8:51 AM oija - 2015-02-20 7:57 AM I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity. That may be true but from the same program (meaning same feed, exercise program, ect ) and all else being equal would you take the fine boned horse or the heavy boned horse? Which one is going to hold up to more work longer. There is a reason the ranch horses that have to work very hard are usually built the same way. But you might be able to get away with a fine boned horse if you are only casually running barrels or just looking at the pretty horse in the pasture. I rope and ride a ton, and I must have horses that hold up to rough country and lots of miles.
There's a huge difference in "holding up" and being forced to work through pain. Bone size has no more to do with performance longevity than muscle mass does. The most crippled horses I've ever ridden were the big boned "cool looking" heading horses that everyone loves.
My boy friend day works and it takes an extremely durable horse. I won't let him take one very much that We want to take to the arena. They need the work ethic, but they are often put in situations that they have to use their body very hard in rough terrain or roping/pulling/stopping big stock.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | The thing people need to let go of is thinking bone size means durability. It's been disproven time and time again.
Now if you need a horse that has substance because you're roping bulls out in the pasture. That's a valid criteria.
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The thing people need to let go of is thinking bone size means durability. It's been disproven time and time again.
I have heard old timers say a running horse has a 'flat' bone that 'appears' more 'fine', while a colder blooded horse has a thick rounder bone.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | 3ToBurn - 2015-02-20 9:38 AM OregonBR - 2015-02-20 11:31 AM The thing people need to let go of is thinking bone size means durability. It's been disproven time and time again. We all understand that. People need to realize that you can have both, it isn't a one or the other type deal. Are you talking bulk density or volumetric mass density?
There's only one kind of density. It means dense, heavy, solid, NON porous. strong. It has nothing to do with the diameter of the leg.
The only point I'm trying to make is people miss out on good horses because they are so hung up on bone size when it's NOT the only thing that matters. Running a horse that's hasn't been legged up before asking them for their life at a barrel race is asking for them to hurt themselves. Not having a good shoer who knows how to set them up so they can function without being in pain. Putting good food in their belly so they can maintain/repair themselves like the athletes they are. These are all more important than bone diameter. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | 3ToBurn - 2015-02-20 11:46 AM Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 11:43 AM 3ToBurn - 2015-02-20 11:38 AM OregonBR - 2015-02-20 11:31 AM The thing people need to let go of is thinking bone size means durability. It's been disproven time and time again. We all understand that. People need to realize that you can have both, it isn't a one or the other type deal. Are you talking bulk density or volumetric mass density? Exactly my point. Most people have no idea what they are even talking about when it comes to density. Take two tree limbs for example...One may have a 3 inch circumference and one with a 30 inch circumference. They can have the same density, but which one has more strength when pressure is applied?
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | 3ToBurn - 2015-02-20 9:46 AM Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 11:43 AM 3ToBurn - 2015-02-20 11:38 AM OregonBR - 2015-02-20 11:31 AM The thing people need to let go of is thinking bone size means durability. It's been disproven time and time again. We all understand that. People need to realize that you can have both, it isn't a one or the other type deal. Are you talking bulk density or volumetric mass density? Exactly my point. Most people have no idea what they are even talking about when it comes to density. Take two tree limbs for example...One may have a 3 inch circumference and one with a 30 inch circumference. They can have the same density, but which one has more strength when pressure is applied?
It depends on how elastic or brittle the limb is. There would NEVER be a 27" disparity in size of one horses limb to another. We are talking about fractions of an inch in difference unless draft horses are now considered able to run barrels. That's pretty far out there. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | OregonBR - 2015-02-20 11:25 AM oija - 2015-02-20 5:57 AM I'm curious about the comments on Ivory James. I've always been a particular fan. I'll also say I think the size of a bone has less to do with the sturdiness of a horse. I think they've posted numerous studies on here that bone density has more to do with exercise, feeding program, and regular sprinting than just with visible size. We have a gelding that to look at him anyone and everyone would drool because of the sturdy look of his feet and legs. But he is terribly clumsy and hurts himself constantly. He is now out of commission at 8 for the rest of his life. Bone size does not always equate to longevity. This ^^^
When I was in my 20's I bought a filly from a friend to run and then start on barrels. She was a pretty feminine little thing. I was worried about her holding up. But she started 21 times on the track. Ran AAA multiple times won three races and placed in the majority of her starts. Then I started her on barrels during the winter of her 3-4 year old year. She ran all the barrel futurities in my region as a 5 year old and most of the derbies as a 6. Then I started running her in rodeos. She won a lot. Finally as a 13 year old I hurt my back and she pulled her check ligament and it seemed like a good time to retire us both. I raised 4 babies out of her. 2 I still have. The other 2 I sold and they are still running in their late teens. Bone size has less to do with soundness than correct structure of the leg and good nuturition/exercise. Exercise is what makes bone gain density. Density + correct conformation is what makes a sound horse.
I just bought a filly to breed. She's not heavy boned but she is sound. She's had 17 starts from 2 to 4. Her last start was on January 25th. She ran 4th. She's won 2, 2 seconds and 3 thirds and won 23k.
Just something I've observed from breeding horses over the years. A male horse is born with more bone than a female of the same cross. A horse gets more bone as they age especially if they have been used most of their life. Excercise and bone density actually increase the size of the bone.
Bingo!
The finest born horse I ever owned never had lameness issues and ran into her twenties. The biggest problem I had is with 2 of the biggest bone horses I owned. It was always something and they were conformational correct.
Do I like the look of a big boned horse? Yes..but I feel you need to take them slower as they take longer for their bones to mature. When people pass on a horse just because they are fined boned need to do their homework. My brother had a fined bone TB that ran on the track and paid all of their bills. He sold him to a hunter jumper person when the horse was no longer able to run on the track because of his age, and the horse went on and had a great career as an Eventer.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | 3ToBurn - 2015-02-20 10:05 AM OregonBR - 2015-02-20 11:50 AM 3ToBurn - 2015-02-20 9:38 AM OregonBR - 2015-02-20 11:31 AM The thing people need to let go of is thinking bone size means durability. It's been disproven time and time again. We all understand that. People need to realize that you can have both, it isn't a one or the other type deal. Are you talking bulk density or volumetric mass density?
The only point I'm trying to make is people miss out on good horses because they are so hung up on bone size when it's NOT the only thing that matters. Running a horse that's hasn't been legged up before asking them for their life at a barrel race is asking for them to hurt themselves. Not having a good shoer who knows how to set them up so they can function without being in pain. Putting good food in their belly so they can maintain/repair themselves like the athletes they are. These are all more important than bone diameter. If density is the same...the larger the diameter the more strength. It is a basic rule of physics.
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Location: Somewhere playing in the mud....Oklahoma | OregonBR - 2015-02-20 12:16 PM 3ToBurn - 2015-02-20 10:05 AM OregonBR - 2015-02-20 11:50 AM 3ToBurn - 2015-02-20 9:38 AM OregonBR - 2015-02-20 11:31 AM The thing people need to let go of is thinking bone size means durability. It's been disproven time and time again. We all understand that. People need to realize that you can have both, it isn't a one or the other type deal. Are you talking bulk density or volumetric mass density?
The only point I'm trying to make is people miss out on good horses because they are so hung up on bone size when it's NOT the only thing that matters. Running a horse that's hasn't been legged up before asking them for their life at a barrel race is asking for them to hurt themselves. Not having a good shoer who knows how to set them up so they can function without being in pain. Putting good food in their belly so they can maintain/repair themselves like the athletes they are. These are all more important than bone diameter. If density is the same...the larger the diameter the more strength. It is a basic rule of physics.
I agree 100% with OregonBR!! We have a 28 yr old mare who i youth rodeoed, and ran open barrrel races before 3D/4D's. She was TOUGH! 14.3 maybe, lighter made, but conformationaly built RIGHT... she's now carrying my 6 yr old daugther. She's lived her whole life and never had 1 single joint injection.
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SKM - 2015-02-20 11:09 AM
Whiteboy I am curious....you say you'd like to have an IJ daughter for a broodmare. But then you question their ability to stay sound because you feel they have fine bones and look fragile. So why would you want one for a broodmare then? I'm not being snarky. I'm just trying to wrap my head around wanting a mare with those type of traits for breeding purposes is all.
I think they are very nicely built, beautiful top lines, nice hind ends, very nice necks and heads. I think that if you could cross them on the a more compact build, such as my stallion, hopefully you would end up with the best of both worlds. The IJ would add some speed and agility and hopefully, the sun Frost in my case would add the bone and durability that I like to see. I never said I didn't like them, but I think they could be improved upon to meet my taste!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Whiteboy - 2015-02-19 11:41 AM bennie1 - 2015-02-19 10:33 AM I have not seen an ugly Ivory James. And Ivory James himself is really nice looking. I love Ivory James, and I want one real bad as a broodmare. But I just dont see how they can stay sound with those twigs for legs. Very beautiful horses, but look very fine boned.
I haven't read the entire thread so maybe you already answered this question but I'm confused as to why you would want a daughter of Ivory James but yet you say they won't stay sound? |
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Lil' D - 2015-02-19 8:26 PM
I have bred 4 different mares to BHR Frenchies Socks and every foal by him has been extremely well balanced, excellent conformation and very easy on the eyes. His colts want to work and they are getting the job done in the arena.
A good friend of mine has a BHR Frenchies Socks that is gorgeous. She will start her on barrels this year and is pretty excited about her.
It was a whole new love affair when I threw a leg over one, they are just so athletic! He has crossed well with all different kind of mares too. Wishing your friend the best of luck!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 1:22 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-20 12:43 PM Whiteboy - 2015-02-19 11:41 AM bennie1 - 2015-02-19 10:33 AM I have not seen an ugly Ivory James. And Ivory James himself is really nice looking. I love Ivory James, and I want one real bad as a broodmare. But I just dont see how they can stay sound with those twigs for legs. Very beautiful horses, but look very fine boned.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-20 1:26 PM Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 1:22 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-20 12:43 PM Whiteboy - 2015-02-19 11:41 AM bennie1 - 2015-02-19 10:33 AM I have not seen an ugly Ivory James. And Ivory James himself is really nice looking. I love Ivory James, and I want one real bad as a broodmare. But I just dont see how they can stay sound with those twigs for legs. Very beautiful horses, but look very fine boned.
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Location: Beggs, OK | SKM - 2015-02-20 12:33 PM 3ToBurn - 2015-02-20 10:18 AM SKM - 2015-02-20 11:09 AM Whiteboy I am curious....you say you'd like to have an IJ daughter for a broodmare. But then you question their ability to stay sound because you feel they have fine bones and look fragile. So why would you want one for a broodmare then? I'm not being snarky. I'm just trying to wrap my head around wanting a mare with those type of traits for breeding purposes is all. I think they are very nicely built, beautiful top lines, nice hind ends, very nice necks and heads. I think that if you could cross them on the a more compact build, such as my stallion, hopefully you would end up with the best of both worlds. The IJ would add some speed and agility and hopefully, the sun Frost in my case would add the bone and durability that I like to see. I never said I didn't like them, but I think they could be improved upon to meet my taste! I see. Thanks for answering!
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Dude, there's medicine for that. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 1:50 PM
LRQHS - 2015-02-20 1:48 PM Dude, there's medicine for that.
Lol, damit!
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 1:52 PM oija - 2015-02-20 1:51 PM Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 1:50 PM LRQHS - 2015-02-20 1:48 PM Dude, there's medicine for that. Lol, damit! Multiple personality disorder. Definitely medicine for that.
Haldol, Thorazine, Lithium, Prozac, Crack......mix them all together. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 1:54 PM LRQHS - 2015-02-20 1:53 PM Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 1:52 PM oija - 2015-02-20 1:51 PM Whiteboy - 2015-02-20 1:50 PM LRQHS - 2015-02-20 1:48 PM Dude, there's medicine for that. Lol, damit! Multiple personality disorder. Definitely medicine for that.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-20 2:00 PM
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Location: Washington | Who's on first, who's on second....
Pretty bad when the owner of two sign in's has opposite opinions of the topic. CRAY CRAY.
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| Um I have an Ivory James and he doesn't have fine bones. His dam is an own daughter of runaway winner out of Sinn Fein mare? She definitely puts the bone on her babies as I have a 3/4 bro to him out of another corona cartel son. |
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