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Location: Cocoa, Florida | It seems like prices on 1-4 year olds have sky rocketed! With names like Dash Ta Fame, Dinero, FG, etc on the papers you can pay up to 20k just for an unbroke prospect. Who's to say that they will be a great horse? I knkw bloodlines are important but how much would you pay for something that you have no idea about?
I just saw blings full sister posted on facebook, I can't imagine how much they're asking, but who's to say she had the heart that Bling does?
I just can't fathom spending that much on something that is a what if - what's everyone's thoughts? |
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Location: MD | I can tell you that I've had my eye on a 3 yr old, going nicely, lightly started on the pattern that is priced at 80k. If I could, I would already own that one. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I'm talking about not broke, not started at all! And you don't need to pay 80k for one, you can make your own 80k prospects! ;) |
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Location: Texas | I'd say 15k would be my max and that would have to be a 2yo who's ready to start that checks out 100% with a detailed vet exam and VERY, VERY well bred! |
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| I would top out at around 15000 that's when it hits the ground, I like weanlings you get to know them when you raise them, that said my belief is that bloodlines sweeten the deal, there are just no guarantees, if you can afford it give er, I asked about foals out of bling, apparently they start at 50000 and she is not a proven producer so...:)
I have a dream of buying a filly by a streak of fling, roan.... With DtF on the bottom side, they are getting out of my price range though.... |
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Location: Texas | My max would be 10k, but he would have to be VERY impressive. Bloodlines, mannerism, confirmation, muscle, big hip and roan. |
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Location: north dakota | The DTF and the FG are not cheap to even get one on the ground. Also the proven broodmares are pretty expensive to buy. I can see why some horses are priced over 15k. |
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Location: MD | When you start looking at stud fees, plus breeding costs, ET costs, God forbid one that some has done ICSI on, in many cases there is more than 15k into just getting one of these suckers on the ground! |
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| It is not how much I will pay for a prospect, as that is irrelevant.
The true question is a prospect worth 4-6 figures.
With the crosses that are selling high, the answer is there is a greater chance that colt will be successful as the performance and production record is there to back up, versus a papered horse with no outstanding parents.
Also it is not that easy to make an 80k prospect, impossible if the pedigree is not there.
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For a 3-year old well-bred, unbroke prospect with no glaring undesirable conformation flaws, I'd pay $10-15K. If it was broke and patterned, I'd pay far less.
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| ndcowgirl - 2015-02-24 10:22 PM
The DTF and the FG are not cheap to even get one on the ground. Also the proven broodmares are pretty expensive to buy. I can see why some horses are priced over 15k.
Agreed, if you get $15,000 for a FG weanling and everything goes perfect with mare catching first shipment etc. you are barely making any $ if the mare was fed & properly vaccinated etc. her entire pregnancy. I foal mine out at a vet because we are so far out I won't take any chances. |
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Location: Kansas | $500 with no names on papers lol. I don't need big names to have a good horse lol |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | I like buying weanlings and will pay 10-15K for them depending on bloodlines etc. I like getting them before someone has the chance to mess them up and lie about it.... |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I'm about to breed my Shawne Bug mare to DTF. That's a lot of money. I'm thinking about breeding my new FMJ daughter to Tres Seis next year. Both studs have very high fees. If you think I'd let either go for less than 15k you're crazy. The win records are also there to support the stud fees and the prospect prices. BTW, the DTFxSB is staying in my barn. Its cheaper to breed my own than to buy. |
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| I let BHWW peeps talk me out if a PYC daughter once for $6,000. It was too much, who in their right mind would spend that? Blah blah blah. She ended up selling for $10,000 as an unbroken yearling. I learned my lesson. Proven bloodlines coupled with ideal conformation bring top dollar. Not all horses are created equal and I'd rather gamble on something that's proven to work over cheap and "what ifs" any day. I've since paid $6,000 each for two other prospects by different stallions but out of the same mare as that PYC filly. I've never regretted it and won't even if they don't turnout because ththey are outstanding individuals that have the odds stacked in their favor. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I paid $5000 for a prospect with a brand name pedigree that didn't make. That one hurt. That's pretty much my spending limit for a prospect, but I prefer to spend less. |
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Location: Texas | IF I had the money, I would pay $$$$ for a super prospect. It takes a lot of time, effort, and money to get those babies on the ground. Then you think if you have to ET, or like someone else said ICSI... $$$$$
I would totally do it if I could afford to. I don't hold anything against people with good horses who are worth the money. I sure wouldn't complain if I had one for sale and someone paid that much for it.
ETA- but since I can't afford to... I have picked the best stallions I could afford at the time and bred them to the best mares I've had at the time.. and have created horses who I would have had to pay a decent amount for. not a HUGE chunk, but I'm talking about 6000-10,000 babies. Our 2016 babies will be in that range as well. And our 2017 babies we hope to jump up and spend more on the stud fee to break into that 10k+ range.
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Location: Tex. Panhandle | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-25 8:41 AM I paid $5000 for a prospect with a brand name pedigree that didn't make. That one hurt. That's pretty much my spending limit for a prospect, but I prefer to spend less.
I'm with you. I've paid that for a couple and none of them ended up making barrel horses. Even with their new owners. After those, I prefer to buy them unbroke and start them with my handle. I have a sun frost wonder gelding that I got at an incredible price (1/2 of what they pd for him as a weanling) and i LOVE him. On the look for another one with similar breeding. One of the horses that ran at the american was grade. I undertstand you "get" what you pay for alot. But i cant afford to spend a ton of $ on a weanling/yearling or even 2 on up and hope they make something bc of their breeding. I have a budget and have to work within it. Granted i do drool over some of those well bred suckers |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | If I'm paying more then 5k for a prospect it HAS to be a MARE, that way if anything happened you can at least still breed or sell as a broodmare. |
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| I have a friend who runs a website for bucking stock auctions. He posted on Facebook the other day after a sale where the bulls went for insanely high prices. The gist of it was "a bucking bull is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it." I think that's what we're seeing in barrel horses as well. Personally, I couldn't imagine spending $20K+ on an unproven, unstarted prospect - but as long as there are people who can and will, that's what they'll go for! |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | If I could, I would pay 10-20k on a prospect, right now that is not an option but the barrel horse industry is booming right now (and I believe it will continue to do so), THe brrodmares, vet costs, stud costs: It all adds up. |
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Location: WI | As much as I can! I honestly feel you get what you pay for when it comes to prospects. At one time when I first started it was only $2k, hoping to be able to afford my next one in the $8k range. |
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Location: ND | Well I'm going to be the odd ball here as I don't pay much for my prospects. Obviously my goal isn't barrel futurities or anything along those lines, I'm just looking for nice all around using horses that can work the ranch, go to an occasional horse show, run barrels or go into mounted shooting. To this day the most expensive horse I've ever bought was a green broke 4 year old for $3500 and that was the best money I've ever spent, that horse is amazing. I've got a filly I paid $130 for as a weanling that is going to be incredible and is also very nicely bred.....sometimes it isn't the money spent, there are incredible horses out there for very affordable prices if you know what you are looking for. I'm mostly raising what I ride at this point but I don't have much invested in those that I've bought. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | casualdust07 - 2015-02-25 8:58 AM
IF I had the money, I would pay $$$$ for a super prospect. It takes a lot of time, effort, and money to get those babies on the ground. Then you think if you have to ET, or like someone else said ICSI... $$$$$
I would totally do it if I could afford to. I don't hold anything against people with good horses who are worth the money. I sure wouldn't complain if I had one for sale and someone paid that much for it.
ETA- but since I can't afford to... I have picked the best stallions I could afford at the time and bred them to the best mares I've had at the time.. and have created horses who I would have had to pay a decent amount for. not a HUGE chunk, but I'm talking about 6000-10,000 babies. Our 2016 babies will be in that range as well. And our 2017 babies we hope to jump up and spend more on the stud fee to break into that 10k+ range.
This. I am breeding my good mares to a nice reasonably priced stallion this year for resale and am hoping to get $5000 -7500 each for the foals, but next year after all the expenses of my dads estate has been handled... I am going all out, I have one mare in particular I am throwing around spending $10,000+ on alone. The other I already know I want to breed to BJO because it was supposed to happen this year but had to be postponed due to my fathers death (that was my dads dream cross for her). I am hoping the first mares two track babies this year and next will continue to grow her already impressive catalog page, but I can gaurentee you IF I sold that baby it wouldn't be cheap as it stands now. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | SaraJean - 2015-02-25 10:21 AM
Well I'm going to be the odd ball here as I don't pay much for my prospects. Obviously my goal isn't barrel futurities or anything along those lines, I'm just looking for nice all around using horses that can work the ranch, go to an occasional horse show, run barrels or go into mounted shooting. To this day the most expensive horse I've ever bought was a green broke 4 year old for $3500 and that was the best money I've ever spent, that horse is amazing. I've got a filly I paid $130 for as a weanling that is going to be incredible and is also very nicely bred.....sometimes it isn't the money spent, there are incredible horses out there for very affordable prices if you know what you are looking for. I'm mostly raising what I ride at this point but I don't have much invested in those that I've bought.
The nicest horse in my pasture right now is a 5 year old I traded for as a yearling. The horse I traded was priced at $1800 and I got the good end of that deal. LOL |
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How much would you pay for a PROSPECT?