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| Well I thought Mary walker would have been faster. I was shocked at how nice Trula horse worked. The times just looked off to me Jmo.....
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| You could see the shock on Trula Churchil's face. These girls run enough to know how their horses should clock. Fallon's run smoked and her time was way off too. These were not the only ones. Surely they had more than one timer. There definately was a difference there. |
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| Well that was kinda of what I saw. Those girls run all the time and they do know what their horses are capable of....glad a few saw it and thought wow that seems off...... |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I noticed too. All I can come up with is the dirt was far from consistent.
Off topic but I went to feed after barrels. What in the world did I miss in bull riding? All I'm seeing is the blood bath on Facebook about the Brazilian getting to ride. |
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Location: Arkansas | TessBelle - 2015-03-01 10:39 PM
I noticed too. All I can come up with is the dirt was far from consistent.
Off topic but I went to feed after barrels. What in the world did I miss in bull riding? All I'm seeing is the blood bath on Facebook about the Brazilian getting to ride.
My understanding is there had to be 4 in the shoot out and when there were only 3 then he got to go back because of his standing in PBR at the end of the year. |
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Location: MD | The only one that truly shocked me was Trula's time. I thought Worm worked as nice as I've seen him. The others all had bobbles that they couldn't outrun on slower ground.
Silvano not only got into the Shootout by default, but then he pulled his usual tricks of soaking his bull. It was BAD! He might have had one of the most questionable replays I have ever seen too, but without a super clear look at his hand, he ended up with the win. |
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Location: MD | Fun2Run - 2015-03-01 11:07 PM
It's almost like they lost the stakes (?). Did I see right, someone measuring w/ a long rope deal?
They did lose a stake during one drag. |
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| WrapSnap - 2015-03-01 11:09 PM
The only one that truly shocked me was Trula's time. I thought Worm worked as nice as I've seen him. The others all had bobbles that they couldn't outrun on slower ground.
Silvano not only got into the Shootout by default, but then he pulled his usual tricks of soaking his bull. It was BAD! He might have had one of the most questionable replays I have ever seen too, but without a super clear look at his hand, he ended up with the win.
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Let 'er Buck - 2015-03-01 11:16 PM
WrapSnap - 2015-03-01 11:09 PM
The only one that truly shocked me was Trula's time. I thought Worm worked as nice as I've seen him. The others all had bobbles that they couldn't outrun on slower ground.
Silvano not only got into the Shootout by default, but then he pulled his usual tricks of soaking his bull. It was BAD! He might have had one of the most questionable replays I have ever seen too, but without a super clear look at his hand, he ended up with the win.
"Soaking" his bull? What does that mean?
I want to know this too. I keep seeing people comment about it on Facebook. |
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| Fun2Run - 2015-03-01 11:07 PM
It's almost like they lost the stakes (?). Did I see right, someone measuring w/ a long rope deal?
I saw that too.
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Location: MD | ItsMe is correct. There has been a huge change in PBR rules because of this. They now have a chute timer and barring any crazy circumstances, you either get your butt to work, or get off. The main offenders have been Brazilians and Silvano is really bad about it. That being said, whether I agree with the fact that he was even allowed to ride tonight, or how he conducted himself in the Shootout, the man always seems to find a way to win. |
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Location: Ft Worth TX | streakysox - 2015-03-01 10:42 PM
Fun2Run - 2015-03-01 11:07 PM
It's almost like they lost the stakes (?). Did I see right, someone measuring w/ a long rope deal?
I saw that too.
I was right on that side of the arena, very close and they found the stake. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | whoop z day z posted on the previous page that they did find the stake and used it so the pattern was the same. I would imagine the pattern is different than last year though. There were 13's last year. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CanCan - 2015-03-02 7:14 AM I think the first five had a different pattern. Maybe a barrel was not set correctly on the stake. After the first fivve, times slowed.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I also feel sorry for K.C. Jones.....he should have gotten part of the million.......but I guess 100K isn't too shabby but the rule that you have to win your event "outright"....SUCKS ! ! !
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| I think the barrels were the same this year. Lots of ladies went way wide around them. The ones that went to the shoot out had tighter barrels. I don't think that the barrels were the same as last year though. Was a much smaller pattern last year. |
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| daisycake123 - 2015-03-02 5:56 AM
The ground looked loose and powdery. A lot of the horses where triping and falling all over the place. Jackies horse almost went down.
He pulled a shoe going around the 1st barrel, on the run home you can see it come off in the alleyway. I have a DVR and I rewound it so I could be sure, and sure enough you see a shoe go flying off at the bottom left corner of the alleyway when she shuts down. |
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Location: Down South | WrapSnap - 2015-03-01 11:59 PM ItsMe is correct. There has been a huge change in PBR rules because of this. They now have a chute timer and barring any crazy circumstances, you either get your butt to work, or get off. The main offenders have been Brazilians and Silvano is really bad about it. That being said, whether I agree with the fact that he was even allowed to ride tonight, or how he conducted himself in the Shootout, the man always seems to find a way to win.
I don't know if what was broadcast on RFD TV yesterday was what we saw on the big TV's in the stadium or not. I "think" it was Silvano... what we saw on the screens in the stadium I saw a person I will assume was a judge walk up to the chute and say something. to him. This was after he had been sitting on and adjusting and adjusting and adjusting for what seemed like forever. |
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| theerebel - 2015-03-02 8:23 AM
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The ground looked loose and powdery. A lot of the horses where triping and falling all over the place. Jackies horse almost went down.
He pulled a shoe going around the 1st barrel, on the run home you can see it come off in the alleyway. I have a DVR and I rewound it so I could be sure, and sure enough you see a shoe go flying off at the bottom left corner of the alleyway when she shuts down.
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| Even though the ground looked much looser and not as good as the first drag, let's remember Michelle ran the fastest qualifying time, and she was a long long ways from being in the first drag |
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Location: Home on the Range | WrapSnap - 2015-03-02 12:59 AM ItsMe is correct. There has been a huge change in PBR rules because of this. They now have a chute timer and barring any crazy circumstances, you either get your butt to work, or get off. The main offenders have been Brazilians and Silvano is really bad about it. That being said, whether I agree with the fact that he was even allowed to ride tonight, or how he conducted himself in the Shootout, the man always seems to find a way to win.
When was that rule implemented? After the obvious "soaking" of his bull yesterday? Because there obviously was No time limit in that Shoot Out Round & to move on to the next bull rider and give him longer to "soak" the bull is pure bull....! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | downngo - 2015-03-02 9:04 AM WrapSnap - 2015-03-02 12:59 AM ItsMe is correct. There has been a huge change in PBR rules because of this. They now have a chute timer and barring any crazy circumstances, you either get your butt to work, or get off. The main offenders have been Brazilians and Silvano is really bad about it. That being said, whether I agree with the fact that he was even allowed to ride tonight, or how he conducted himself in the Shootout, the man always seems to find a way to win. When was that rule implemented? After the obvious "soaking" of his bull yesterday? Because there obviously was No time limit in that Shoot Out Round & to move on to the next bull rider and give him longer to "soak" the bull is pure bull....!
Chute Clock: The Built Ford Tough Series implemented a new addition to the Professional Bull Riders’ original chute clock rule during the 2014 BFTS event in Nampa, Idaho.
A way for the PBR to protect the wellbeing of animal athletes, this rule has always been in place, allowing judges to disqualify a rider if he is taking too long to get ready in the chute. The existing rule that allows each rider time to prepare in the chute will now be enhanced visually to ensure consistency and include a countdown clock that is controlled by the back judge.
Each rider will have 60 seconds from the time he begins to pull his rope until he nods his head to begin the ride. The chute clock will stop the countdown when the judge starts the 8-second ride clock.
Regarding disqualification the rule states, “In the event that the chute clock countdown time expires before the rider nods his head, the judge has to make a determination to disqualify either the rider or the bull at the end of the allotted time. If the bull is disqualified then the rider will receive the first available re-ride bull. If the rider is disqualified, his ride for that round is over and he will receive a no score.” |
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| streakysox - 2015-03-01 8:26 PM
You could see the shock on Trula Churchil's face. These girls run enough to know how their horses should clock. Fallon's run smoked and her time was way off too. These were not the only ones. Surely they had more than one timer. There definately was a difference there.
With the ground deep, sandy and hard to push off of and a horse as ratey as Worm you will not be fast. I couldn't help but notice the larger than normal pockets he had at all the barrels going into them, especially the second. He was not moving across the arena like Louie and the time reflected it. |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | I loved watching even if it was only the long goes... missed the finals....but my question and please this isn't a dig just curious....... Why do they call it "The American" when they have Brazilians and Candanian entered? If the contestant is/was born in USA or has changed his/her status for a (US) citizenship- that is an American. Money is the motive. |
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I only got to see the finals. But it was great fun seeing them run. Lisa and Louie were great. But...that short "alley"...yikes! Hate to see them have to shut down that hard.
What aggravated the heck out of us was the fact that Silvano even got to ride in the finals. He got bucked off and that should have been that. But by some weird rule they apparently HAVE to fill 4 spots for the final. Just shouldn't happen that way IMO.
Then to have him messing around and soaking that bull so much...and winning it by a hair (or a finger I guess)...just didn't sit right with me. He would have been DQ'd if they had the clock running in the chute. How he managed to still win the whole thing just makes it seem like a farce.
I enjoyed the American. It was fun to watch and it's an interesting format. What I didn't like was the lack of certainty of all the rules. The confusion. When the Steer Wrestling guys tied...is seemed like no one knew what should happen there. And he sure thought he had won a portion of the million. Feel kinda bad for him that he didn't in the end due to some odd rule. |
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| Did not have a long alley way have an effect on their times? I did not like the set up in the arena; 2 arenas, all the holding pens in the arena, the spectators seemed so far off I don't know how they saw anything other than on the jumbo TV's. If the only way I could see the action was on the giant TV's I'd stay home and watch. |
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Location: Texas | river runner - 2015-03-02 10:27 AM Don't they use the PBR rules for the bull riding at The American? Wouldn't they have put Silvano on the clock if they thought he wasn't justified in taking as long as he did? The announcers even said the bull was hard to get out on.
Well that doesn't mean that was what was happening... I doubt any announcer would say "Hang on folks, this guy is cheating.. may take a little bit." They have to keep talking and keep the viewers happy and let judges deal with all the dirty work. Even if they are blowing smoke which we have seen over and over at the NFR when they just make stuff up because that is what they feel like saying right then and non horse people wouldn't know any better.
Whether the guy was doing something wrong, I have no clue. I couldn't watch it and even then don't know enough about bull riding. Just my 2 cents on announcers and how just because they say it doesn't mean it is the gospel. |
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| Itsme - 2015-03-01 11:01 PM
Dude sat on his bull for 10 minutes before the nod too....
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Yes!! I do not like the alley at all, then again, I don't have to stop in it either. I like the way Shelly Anzick stopped her horse, much safer.
I really think the American should only use one arena. It would help with the space issue and the fans would like it even more.
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Location: North Dakota | Itsme - 2015-03-02 11:19 AM McBride and I believe it was Ty were calling that brazillian out as much as they could without crossing the line, they knew what was up from the start.
I LOVE Justin McBride. He was for sure tired of the crap that was being pulled. Then for him to win it after soaking his bull really irked me! The Brazillians were soaking their bulls in the long round too. I was screaming at the TV and about to pull my hair out. During the long round the gate judge did yell at the one guy he pulled his rope 3 times he had to go. Luckily that bull still had enough in him to dump his butt in the dirt. |
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Location: In my own world | mouse - 2015-03-02 8:58 AM
Even though the ground looked much looser and not as good as the first drag, let's remember Michelle ran the fastest qualifying time, and she was a long long ways from being in the first drag
That's is correct. Michele ran middle to 2/3 down. And Chayni was 3rd from the last. Just before Fallon and Charmayne. Chayni ran 14.8. Lots of barrels were way wide. The dirt stunk. I was there and you could really see them slipping around |
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Location: Heart of Texas | I think everyone with a little know how was irate that they allowed Silvano to soak that bull. I told my husband a quick fix would be make The American only open to American citizins. It's not the WORLD. It's the American. We should support our american contestants and keep that money in America. Jus sayin. |
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| rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 11:35 AM Itsme - 2015-03-01 11:01 PM Dude sat on his bull for 10 minutes before the nod too.... The Brazilians are infamous for "soaking" their bulls before they ride.
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| I had an absolute blast! I thought they ran it well, the atmospehere was something I cant explain.
As for the dirt, I think it was a little loose but by no means dangerous or something to balk at. Ive seen much worse in rodeos, 4d races, etc. I was also surprised by the times but when I watched Louie vs say Worm... Louie never lost momentum and covered so much ground. Worm shuts down and his rate costs some time. Michelle also had a smoking run.
Chayni was one of the last 4 and was just out of the top 4 outrunning Charmayne and Fallon who ran after her. Flo Jo struggled a bit with the ground too, had he got a good feeling for it, I think he really coulda been at the top. Latte bowed off 2nd pretty good, which I think cost some time.
I am intrigued about the "soaking." We were wondering what was taking so long and were pretty annoying. Never heard of that before.
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Location: Arkansas | 4Horse - 2015-03-02 10:49 AM Did not have a long alley way have an effect on their times? I did not like the set up in the arena; 2 arenas, all the holding pens in the arena, the spectators seemed so far off I don't know how they saw anything other than on the jumbo TV's. If the only way I could see the action was on the giant TV's I'd stay home and watch.
We were in the second level a little to the left of and behind the team roping chutes. We could see better than when we were at the NFR. The big screen is amazing and you can see it very closely but we could see in the arena pretty well. I was actually impressed with the seating. Most spectators were in the first 2 levels. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I think the pattern was the same, and was fine. I missed the finals because it didn't record, but saw the 22 runs. I just saw a lot of horses that did NOT fire between barrels, including Trulias. I was surprised, but I was watching it recorded, and backed it up. Definitely just did not fire in between like normal.
It's a rodeo. Tough pen, tough dirt, tough circumstances.
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Location: Kansas | rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 11:35 AM Itsme - 2015-03-01 11:01 PM Dude sat on his bull for 10 minutes before the nod too.... The Brazilians are infamous for "soaking" their bulls before they ride.
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The Soaking of the bull is horrible for the bull. The stock contractors strive to teach their bulls to stand up properly in the chute and the opening of the gate is their release/reward for doing it right. When a rider tightens and loosens their rope multiple times...and generally messes around with the bull long after the bull does what it is supposed to do...guess what...the bull gets soured on the whole deal. So...not only does it give a less than usual performance and get a low bull score on that out...it can affect that bull in the future.
By messing around and soaking they hope to wear down the bull and either get rolled to another bull that might be more to their liking...or...get that bull to have an off performance. They don't care if they get a lower score...they are banking on the odds of a low score beating a no score in the end if another rider who really goes for it gets bucked off and a no score.
I get it...it's a strategy...and the rider wants to win the cash...but it's bad for the bull, bad for the sport, and just isn't the true spirit of the competition. IMHO
It's not ONLY the Brazilian riders that do this...and not ALL of the Brazilian riders do it...but they are definitely known for it. And in this case...he likely took advantage of that opportunity since the rules are less stringent and no chute clock at this event. He's a smart competitor...but not one I enjoy watching really.
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Location: North Dakota | TrailGirl - 2015-03-02 3:19 PM The Soaking of the bull is horrible for the bull. The stock contractors strive to teach their bulls to stand up properly in the chute and the opening of the gate is their release/reward for doing it right. When a rider tightens and loosens their rope multiple times...and generally messes around with the bull long after the bull does what it is supposed to do...guess what...the bull gets soured on the whole deal. So...not only does it give a less than usual performance and get a low bull score on that out...it can affect that bull in the future. By messing around and soaking they hope to wear down the bull and either get rolled to another bull that might be more to their liking...or...get that bull to have an off performance. They don't care if they get a lower score...they are banking on the odds of a low score beating a no score in the end if another rider who really goes for it gets bucked off and a no score. I get it...it's a strategy...and the rider wants to win the cash...but it's bad for the bull, bad for the sport, and just isn't the true spirit of the competition. IMHO It's not ONLY the Brazilian riders that do this...and not ALL of the Brazilian riders do it...but they are definitely known for it. And in this case...he likely took advantage of that opportunity since the rules are less stringent and no chute clock at this event. He's a smart competitor...but not one I enjoy watching really. Very very poor sportsmaship!! They are not giving the bull a fair shot. I would be ticked if I was a stock contractor!!! I really hope they change the rules for The American after this year. They need a chute clock and the gate judge needs to be strict and to not tolerate that crap! I for one am a bit discouraged with The American just because of that one little instance. I think The American is great and I love watching it but when something like that is allowed to take place at such a large event it is upsetting. Then to put the icing on the cake he wins...lol. I hope after all the confusion of tie-breakers, not saying scores after the rides, not showing the times, etc. they really work out a lot of kinks for next year. I love The American but they need to get some stuff straightened out. :)
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Location: North Dakota | Ok well back to the original post...I felt Worm did not have the first barrel that he normally does. He looks like he got a little hung up and wasted a lot of time around it. That is usually his money barrel. The moment I saw them turn first I mentioned to my husband that was definitely not his best first barrel and then when the announcers were all shocked by her time I wasn't. Yes he looked great but I feel that first really wasted some time. It looked like to me a lot of the horses were not 100% confident in the ground and most floated around the barrels instead of really getting down and dirty. Louie didn't safety up at all and just went for it and it paid off. Rootie was wide as well when she normally likes to stay in nice and tight. |
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Location: Texas | 4Horse - 2015-03-02 10:49 AM Did not have a long alley way have an effect on their times? I did not like the set up in the arena; 2 arenas, all the holding pens in the arena, the spectators seemed so far off I don't know how they saw anything other than on the jumbo TV's. If the only way I could see the action was on the giant TV's I'd stay home and watch.
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| RocketPilot - 2015-03-02 4:18 PM
4Horse - 2015-03-02 10:49 AM Did not have a long alley way have an effect on their times? I did not like the set up in the arena; 2 arenas, all the holding pens in the arena, the spectators seemed so far off I don't know how they saw anything other than on the jumbo TV's. If the only way I could see the action was on the giant TV's I'd stay home and watch.
This is exactly why the NFR should not be moved to Dallas from Las Vegas. Being the Thomas and Mack is so exciting. If I can see better on the screen, then I will just stay at home and watch it.
We were on the second level and were actually surprised how much we could see. A friend of mine has been to the NFR and was with and she said hands down The American is better to watch in person than the NFR.
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Location: Beggs, OK | 3 To Go - 2015-03-02 9:58 AM streakysox - 2015-03-01 8:26 PM You could see the shock on Trula Churchil's face. These girls run enough to know how their horses should clock. Fallon's run smoked and her time was way off too. These were not the only ones. Surely they had more than one timer. There definately was a difference there. With the ground deep, sandy and hard to push off of and a horse as ratey as Worm you will not be fast. I couldn't help but notice the larger than normal pockets he had at all the barrels going into them, especially the second. He was not moving across the arena like Louie and the time reflected it.
Fallon's mare shook her head on the first and was slow coming around it....Worm ran safe and didn't fire like he can. There were several that were off the pace when their horses ran in there and felt the ground.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I don't think the barrels were placed wrong. They were looking for the stake in the third drag, not the second. When they super imposed the two runs, it showed the barrels placed properly. Sharin Hall from the first drag and Jackie Jatzlau from the second drag. I wish they would have done that for more of the barrel racers. Really neat feature.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Just Bring It - 2015-03-02 3:53 PM Ok well back to the original post...I felt Worm did not have the first barrel that he normally does. He looks like he got a little hung up and wasted a lot of time around it. That is usually his money barrel. The moment I saw them turn first I mentioned to my husband that was definitely not his best first barrel and then when the announcers were all shocked by her time I wasn't. Yes he looked great but I feel that first really wasted some time. It looked like to me a lot of the horses were not 100% confident in the ground and most floated around the barrels instead of really getting down and dirty. Louie didn't safety up at all and just went for it and it paid off. Rootie was wide as well when she normally likes to stay in nice and tight.
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| I raise a few bucking Bulls. I can tell you any contestant wallering, or as most call "soaking" a bull is some Mickey Mouse stuff. Someone at that level with that ma y eyes on them should know better.
Also, I know you realize running at a rodeo poses some problems that you don't incur at a barrel race. The ground, and the alley being two. Not every arena is condusive to being set up for both a rodeo, and a barrel race. It's part of what is impressive about the ones that make it to the NFR. They have ran in some less than ideal conditions to get there. |
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Location: Louisiana | EqualRanch - 2015-03-02 12:21 PM hlynn - 2015-03-02 8:29 AM That alleyway scares the snot out of me. I think they need to do some rule changing & maybe figure a way to give them a little more room to stop. Did anyone see Jackie's video of the 'warm up' area? They had enough room to walk slowly around some columns. It was tight! Yes!! I do not like the alley at all, then again, I don't have to stop in it either. I like the way Shelly Anzick stopped her horse, much safer.
I really think the American should only use one arena. It would help with the space issue and the fans would like it even more.
I have to disagree about circling when there is an alley. I want my horse to never question IF we are going straight or turning. I have seen girls get injured when their horse decided to circle at the last second. My guy will circle if he is running at a wall, i.e no alley way. And it costs us time bc he starts slowing down before the timer no matter how much I drive him. I would much rather have him run to the gate and stop. I have seen horses slip and go down trying to circle at full speed. Just my 2 cents :) But it is also a rule at most rodeo associations around here that you must RUN in and out of the alley way, circle=no time. |
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Location: Louisiana | Bigfoot - 2015-03-03 3:40 PM I raise a few bucking Bulls. I can tell you any contestant wallering, or as most call "soaking" a bull is some Mickey Mouse stuff. Someone at that level with that ma y eyes on them should know better. Also, I know you realize running at a rodeo poses some problems that you don't incur at a barrel race. The ground, and the alley being two. Not every arena is condusive to being set up for both a rodeo, and a barrel race. It's part of what is impressive about the ones that make it to the NFR. They have ran in some less than ideal conditions to get there.
^^^THIS! I am by no means a pro LOL, but have still run in some crazy setups. Grass field behind a hotel with a portable arena anyone? |
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Location: Nebraska | on RFD-TV's The American fb page, Randy made a post about why he let Silvano in the short round. People are not happy. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-03-03 1:11 PM 3 To Go - 2015-03-02 9:58 AM streakysox - 2015-03-01 8:26 PM You could see the shock on Trula Churchil's face. These girls run enough to know how their horses should clock. Fallon's run smoked and her time was way off too. These were not the only ones. Surely they had more than one timer. There definately was a difference there. With the ground deep, sandy and hard to push off of and a horse as ratey as Worm you will not be fast. I couldn't help but notice the larger than normal pockets he had at all the barrels going into them, especially the second. He was not moving across the arena like Louie and the time reflected it.
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Location: MS | sodapop - 2015-03-03 7:52 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-03-03 1:11 PM 3 To Go - 2015-03-02 9:58 AM streakysox - 2015-03-01 8:26 PM You could see the shock on Trula Churchil's face. These girls run enough to know how their horses should clock. Fallon's run smoked and her time was way off too. These were not the only ones. Surely they had more than one timer. There definately was a difference there. With the ground deep, sandy and hard to push off of and a horse as ratey as Worm you will not be fast. I couldn't help but notice the larger than normal pockets he had at all the barrels going into them, especially the second. He was not moving across the arena like Louie and the time reflected it.
Her look of confusion was because her time wasn't displayed on the big screen like all the rest of the times were. If I remember correctly hers and the person that ran after her were not displayed. Then they started displaying again. Also makes me think something went wrong with the clock. |
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Location: Moving soon..... | The ground changed after each drag. It was really dry. We were sitting behind the second. I had a friend of mine text me about the ground also. The producers just don't think about what could happen and some horses can handle it better than others. |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | EqualRanch - 2015-03-02 10:21 AM
hlynn - 2015-03-02 8:29 AM That alleyway scares the snot out of me. I think they need to do some rule changing & maybe figure a way to give them a little more room to stop. Did anyone see Jackie's video of the 'warm up' area? They had enough room to walk slowly around some columns. It was tight!
Yes!! I do not like the alley at all, then again, I don't have to stop in it either. I like the way Shelly Anzick stopped her horse, much safer.
I really think the American should only use one arena. It would help with the space issue and the fans would like it even more.
It's a football field for goodness sake! Use the whole thing! You don't need two arenas!! |
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Location: Mansfield, TX | I just received a call and was asked to get on here and address everyone's concerns,, so here we go
1) We did NOT pull up a stake. What happened was the Ground Hog ground tool cut the soft rope stake off at the ground. We were specifically told to use soft rope so it could be buried for the other events. The only reason we pulled out the yellow ropes (please notice they were already in place) was to help us find the stake. It was never pulled out. We had several checks and balances in place in case the unthinkable happened and we lost a stake on live tv. Thus the yellow ropes! Each rope was attached to the arena wall at 2 locations and stretched tight until is was perfectly placed with the stake and then marked with red tape. Even if we had pulled up a stake we could have ran the race using strictly the rope as a marker. But that never happened so it was useless for me to have even said that. After the long go, we did replace the 2nd barrel stake because the rope was just to hard to find. But it went back in the exact same spot. Even if it hadn't been placed exactly the same, it would have been the same for the final four regardless.
2)There was NO...I repeat...NO timer malfunction at any level. There were actually 3 timers (one wired, 2 wireless) that were synced together and powered by batteries (in case of a power surge). On top of 3 timers, we also had the interval timing program running which is how they RFD production crew was able to do the re=creation overlay for the tape re-broadcast. On top of all that, BBR had a representitive (Thank You Maryetta Cochran) up at the control panel monitoring everything. Anyone that knows Maryetta knows thats "enough said". Again, 3 timers, on battery power, closely monitored by several people. The times were all correct.
3)The pattern,,, it was NOT the same pattern as we ran last year. Close, but not the same. We set the pattern at 5:00am Sunday morning, right before the contestants got to ride in the pen. This year we measured from the back of the pen in hopes of helping the contestants gain a little more space for starting and stopping. It actually gave them a little more room, not much but it was a noticeable difference.
4)The ground. Even though BBR didn't do the ground. We were there and gave our input. Every contestant was given the opportunity to ride on the ground and even make a run if they would like at 6:00am Sunday morning. Most contestants took advantage of the offer. Of those that ran, it was a general and vocal decision to have the ground dug a little deeper than normal in order to accommodate the type of ground that was brought in. We did just as the contestants requested. To state that producer's don't know or don't care is just not correct. No one would get up before the dawn and measure out a pen after working at another barrel race and the semi-finals for the previous 12 or 13 days and NOT CARE. That's all I'm going to say about that..NOPE I"M NOT TAKING THE BAIT!! LOL
I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
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Location: Louisiana | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I just received a call and was asked to get on here and address everyone's concerns,, so here we go
1) We did NOT pull up a stake. What happened was the Ground Hog ground tool cut the soft rope stake off at the ground. We were specifically told to use soft rope so it could be buried for the other events. The only reason we pulled out the yellow ropes (please notice they were already in place) was to help us find the stake. It was never pulled out. We had several checks and balances in place in case the unthinkable happened and we lost a stake on live tv. Thus the yellow ropes! Each rope was attached to the arena wall at 2 locations and stretched tight until is was perfectly placed with the stake and then marked with red tape. Even if we had pulled up a stake we could have ran the race using strictly the rope as a marker. But that never happened so it was useless for me to have even said that. After the long go, we did replace the 2nd barrel stake because the rope was just to hard to find. But it went back in the exact same spot. Even if it hadn't been placed exactly the same, it would have been the same for the final four regardless.
2)There was NO...I repeat...NO timer malfunction at any level. There were actually 3 timers (one wired, 2 wireless) that were synced together and powered by batteries (in case of a power surge). On top of 3 timers, we also had the interval timing program running which is how they RFD production crew was able to do the re=creation overlay for the tape re-broadcast. On top of all that, BBR had a representitive (Thank You Maryetta Cochran) up at the control panel monitoring everything. Anyone that knows Maryetta knows thats "enough said". Again, 3 timers, on battery power, closely monitored by several people. The times were all correct.
3)The pattern,,, it was NOT the same pattern as we ran last year. Close, but not the same. We set the pattern at 5:00am Sunday morning, right before the contestants got to ride in the pen. This year we measured from the back of the pen in hopes of helping the contestants gain a little more space for starting and stopping. It actually gave them a little more room, not much but it was a noticeable difference.
4)The ground. Even though BBR didn't do the ground. We were there and gave our input. Every contestant was given the opportunity to ride on the ground and even make a run if they would like at 6:00am Sunday morning. Most contestants took advantage of the offer. Of those that ran, it was a general and vocal decision to have the ground dug a little deeper than normal in order to accommodate the type of ground that was brought in. We did just as the contestants requested. To state that producer's don't know or don't care is just not correct. No one would get up before the dawn and measure out a pen after working at another barrel race and the semi-finals for the previous 12 or 13 days and NOT CARE. That's all I'm going to say about that..NOPE I"M NOT TAKING THE BAIT!! LOL
I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
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Location: North Dakota | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I just received a call and was asked to get on here and address everyone's concerns,, so here we go
1) We did NOT pull up a stake. What happened was the Ground Hog ground tool cut the soft rope stake off at the ground. We were specifically told to use soft rope so it could be buried for the other events. The only reason we pulled out the yellow ropes (please notice they were already in place) was to help us find the stake. It was never pulled out. We had several checks and balances in place in case the unthinkable happened and we lost a stake on live tv. Thus the yellow ropes! Each rope was attached to the arena wall at 2 locations and stretched tight until is was perfectly placed with the stake and then marked with red tape. Even if we had pulled up a stake we could have ran the race using strictly the rope as a marker. But that never happened so it was useless for me to have even said that. After the long go, we did replace the 2nd barrel stake because the rope was just to hard to find. But it went back in the exact same spot. Even if it hadn't been placed exactly the same, it would have been the same for the final four regardless.
2)There was NO...I repeat...NO timer malfunction at any level. There were actually 3 timers (one wired, 2 wireless) that were synced together and powered by batteries (in case of a power surge). On top of 3 timers, we also had the interval timing program running which is how they RFD production crew was able to do the re=creation overlay for the tape re-broadcast. On top of all that, BBR had a representitive (Thank You Maryetta Cochran) up at the control panel monitoring everything. Anyone that knows Maryetta knows thats "enough said". Again, 3 timers, on battery power, closely monitored by several people. The times were all correct.
3)The pattern,,, it was NOT the same pattern as we ran last year. Close, but not the same. We set the pattern at 5:00am Sunday morning, right before the contestants got to ride in the pen. This year we measured from the back of the pen in hopes of helping the contestants gain a little more space for starting and stopping. It actually gave them a little more room, not much but it was a noticeable difference.
4)The ground. Even though BBR didn't do the ground. We were there and gave our input. Every contestant was given the opportunity to ride on the ground and even make a run if they would like at 6:00am Sunday morning. Most contestants took advantage of the offer. Of those that ran, it was a general and vocal decision to have the ground dug a little deeper than normal in order to accommodate the type of ground that was brought in. We did just as the contestants requested. To state that producer's don't know or don't care is just not correct. No one would get up before the dawn and measure out a pen after working at another barrel race and the semi-finals for the previous 12 or 13 days and NOT CARE. That's all I'm going to say about that..NOPE I"M NOT TAKING THE BAIT!! LOL
I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
I enjoyed watching the American and I agree it still has some kinks to work out but overall is very cool and VERY exciting. I really got into it and was cheering and yelling at my computer screen for Taylor Price! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
I see this discussion as this and for what it is worth……EVERY rodeo committee can make their rodeo better….how….by actually listening to the contestants and spectators that have a knowledge of rodeo. This rodeo is a great concept and can surely get bigger and better. The “kinks” that have been pointed out such as ground conditions in the semi final events, rules that are vague (K.C.), and rules that were ignored (PBR rule of soaking the bulls) can only help to make it better.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | NJJ - 2015-03-07 10:10 AM Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
I see this discussion as this and for what it is worth……EVERY rodeo committee can make their rodeo better….how….by actually listening to the contestants and spectators that have a knowledge of rodeo. This rodeo is a great concept and can surely get bigger and better. The “kinks” that have been pointed out such as ground conditions in the semi final events, rules that are vague (K.C.), and rules that were ignored (PBR rule of soaking the bulls) can only help to make it better.
I agree with NJJ. It doesn't matter how much money was put up as I'm sure they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their heart. It's a business venture just like the NFR is and at anytime they aren't making a profit the plug would be pulled as I highly doubt anyone is doing this in order to give the cowboy and cowgirls a chance at running for big money because they are beyond generous. All of the ERA patches pretty much proves that point and is tied in with the American or is going to be tied in with the American. The Elite Rodeo Association is already standing with their hand out to get money from the MEFT of Texas that is a slush fund for big sporting events. I highly doubt us discussing what went wrong with this event isn't going to make the producers throw their hands up and walk away no more then the NFR organizers will throw their hands up after the criticism they get every year. The bottom line is everything will continue as long as their is a profit and once there is no longer a profit, the plug will be pulled.
I feel there is nothing wrong with holding the American to a higher standard. They have the best people available at their fingertips to make sure glitches don't happen. They need to use them, make solid good rules and abide by them.
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Location: Mansfield, TX | Nevertooold - 2015-03-07 10:40 AM NJJ - 2015-03-07 10:10 AM Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
I see this discussion as this and for what it is worth……EVERY rodeo committee can make their rodeo better….how….by actually listening to the contestants and spectators that have a knowledge of rodeo. This rodeo is a great concept and can surely get bigger and better. The “kinks” that have been pointed out such as ground conditions in the semi final events, rules that are vague (K.C.), and rules that were ignored (PBR rule of soaking the bulls) can only help to make it better.
I feel there is nothing wrong with holding the American to a higher standard. They have the best people available at their fingertips to make sure glitches don't happen. They need to use them, make solid good rules and abide by them.
You know I agree with pretty much everything you said NevertoOld,,well except the profit part. They specifically told us they lost money last year but decided to go ahead and try to make it bigger and better this year. The place was almost packed so I hope they did alright finacially and will do another one next year. Guess we will see. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Destry, It's about building a business. It takes money to make money. The AT&T center has already been into the MEFT (Major Events Fund Trust). The money is used to defray costs of putting on a big event. The AT&T center had the American last weekend and the estimate is they are getting around $5 million to put on the Academy of Country Music Awards. What is next? Looks like the AT&T center is going to be getting more venues with the new Elite Rodeo Association. The idea of this fund is to bring revenue into Texas. I've already read about the Elite having a 5 day finals at the AT&T center. I'm not complaining about this at all. It's always about following the money and long as it doesn't cost the taxpayers to put on this event, I guess we could all say it's good. Like everything when it comes to politics, the fund has already been misused and our new Governor is looking into taking control of the fund.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Thank you, Destry. It's nice to know everyone's concerns are being heard and I'm glad you cleared up the issue with the stakes and timers. One question came to mind about that. Why weren't lasers used instead of rope stakes? Seems like that technology should already exist in the ceiling of that building. |
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Thank you, Destry. It's nice to know everyone's concerns are being heard and I'm glad you cleared up the issue with the stakes and timers. One question came to mind about that. Why weren't lasers used instead of rope stakes? Seems like that technology should already exist in the ceiling of that building.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | WrapN3MN - 2015-03-08 7:11 AM
Nita - 2015-03-08 4:05 AM
Thank you, Destry. It's nice to know everyone's concerns are being heard and I'm glad you cleared up the issue with the stakes and timers. One question came to mind about that. Why weren't lasers used instead of rope stakes? Seems like that technology should already exist in the ceiling of that building.
I'm guessing because lasers need to be mounted from the ceiling and uh....not sure that's really doable in the AT&T lol
Really? There are walkways up there, cameras suspended from the ceiling and a bunch more electrical, I just imagined putting three laser lights shining down would be no big deal in that set up. I was surprised to see them pulling out ropes at the AT&T stadium like it was a small pen somewhere when my local NBHA has lasers and that arena is certainly not the AT&T stadium. Ropes just seemed very low budget to me for a huge event like this. I know they would need higher quality lasers, but they do exist. Lasers would definitely keep the stakes from getting cut.
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Location: rodeo trail | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 10:39 PM I just received a call and was asked to get on here and address everyone's concerns,, so here we go
1) We did NOT pull up a stake. What happened was the Ground Hog ground tool cut the soft rope stake off at the ground. We were specifically told to use soft rope so it could be buried for the other events. The only reason we pulled out the yellow ropes (please notice they were already in place) was to help us find the stake. It was never pulled out. We had several checks and balances in place in case the unthinkable happened and we lost a stake on live tv. Thus the yellow ropes! Each rope was attached to the arena wall at 2 locations and stretched tight until is was perfectly placed with the stake and then marked with red tape. Even if we had pulled up a stake we could have ran the race using strictly the rope as a marker. But that never happened so it was useless for me to have even said that. After the long go, we did replace the 2nd barrel stake because the rope was just to hard to find. But it went back in the exact same spot. Even if it hadn't been placed exactly the same, it would have been the same for the final four regardless.
2)There was NO...I repeat...NO timer malfunction at any level. There were actually 3 timers (one wired, 2 wireless) that were synced together and powered by batteries (in case of a power surge). On top of 3 timers, we also had the interval timing program running which is how they RFD production crew was able to do the re=creation overlay for the tape re-broadcast. On top of all that, BBR had a representitive (Thank You Maryetta Cochran) up at the control panel monitoring everything. Anyone that knows Maryetta knows thats "enough said". Again, 3 timers, on battery power, closely monitored by several people. The times were all correct.
3)The pattern,,, it was NOT the same pattern as we ran last year. Close, but not the same. We set the pattern at 5:00am Sunday morning, right before the contestants got to ride in the pen. This year we measured from the back of the pen in hopes of helping the contestants gain a little more space for starting and stopping. It actually gave them a little more room, not much but it was a noticeable difference.
4)The ground. Even though BBR didn't do the ground. We were there and gave our input. Every contestant was given the opportunity to ride on the ground and even make a run if they would like at 6:00am Sunday morning. Most contestants took advantage of the offer. Of those that ran, it was a general and vocal decision to have the ground dug a little deeper than normal in order to accommodate the type of ground that was brought in. We did just as the contestants requested. To state that producer's don't know or don't care is just not correct. No one would get up before the dawn and measure out a pen after working at another barrel race and the semi-finals for the previous 12 or 13 days and NOT CARE. That's all I'm going to say about that..NOPE I"M NOT TAKING THE BAIT!! LOL
I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
Thank you!! We apprecitate RFD TV and BBR for all their efforts!! Wonderful event!!!!
The Nevala's
Edited by northbound 2015-03-09 12:11 PM
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All American....after second drag?