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Location: Oklahoma | When do you start keeping them up during the day? He's starting to shed right now, so is this the time? Or can I wait until it heats up and he starts to sweat to keep cool? |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | If your concerned about the sun and him fading...sun is not hot enough yet. I would think he could stay out during the day a little longer. I have one shedding like crazy, but he's up all the time (race horse in training). |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I usually wait for the temps to determine when to switch them out. It's usually around the time I rotate pastures for seeding. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Thank you both. What temp am I looking for? I know it's not supposed to get above 70 for atleast a few more weeks. 80's? 90's? Never penned one up before.. but never had a black horse, either! |
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Location: Texas | I don't keep my black horse up at all and she hasn't really bleached out in years. If she gets really sweaty, she will bleach where the sweat sits. I give her access to her stall or pasture (open the back gate to her run and she goes where she pleases). She's good though about going in her stall. Maybe she's more concerned than I am. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Longneck - 2015-03-03 3:48 PM Thank you both. What temp am I looking for? I know it's not supposed to get above 70 for atleast a few more weeks. 80's? 90's? Never penned one up before.. but never had a black horse, either!
A true Black should not bleach out, now a brown will.  |
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Location: Oklahoma | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-03 5:34 PM
Longneck - 2015-03-03 3:48 PM Thank you both. What temp am I looking for? I know it's not supposed to get above 70 for atleast a few more weeks. 80's? 90's? Never penned one up before.. but never had a black horse, either!
A true Black should not bleach out, now a brown will.
But... But... But... I want him to be a true black!!! Maybe this is my problem after all! Ill try to post some pics.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Longneck - 2015-03-03 6:09 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-03 5:34 PM Longneck - 2015-03-03 3:48 PM Thank you both. What temp am I looking for? I know it's not supposed to get above 70 for atleast a few more weeks. 80's? 90's? Never penned one up before.. but never had a black horse, either! A true Black should not bleach out, now a brown will. But... But... But... I want him to be a true black!!! Maybe this is my problem after all! Ill try to post some pics.
LOL,  your just too funny, I have a brown that will fade during the summer and I put him on Healthy Coat and that helped him keep a nice color. |
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Location: Oklahoma |  this was taken a few weeks ago.
and here is one that was taken mid August last year. I wish I wouldn't have put a filter on it. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-03 6:12 PM
Longneck - 2015-03-03 6:09 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-03 5:34 PM Longneck - 2015-03-03 3:48 PM Thank you both. What temp am I looking for? I know it's not supposed to get above 70 for atleast a few more weeks. 80's? 90's? Never penned one up before.. but never had a black horse, either! A true Black should not bleach out, now a brown will. But... But... But... I want him to be a true black!!! Maybe this is my problem after all! Ill try to post some pics.
That's nice... But doesn't sound like the magic black spray paint I'm looking for!!! Haha!! I'll have to look into healthy coat! I had him on an oil last summer and he had a nice sheen. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | I would say when the temps get to be 80's constant. Even when it's 80's during the day, the mornings should still be cool. If your worried turn him out at night when the sun goes down and back up in the morning. |
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Location: Oklahoma | total performance - 2015-03-03 7:20 PM I would say when the temps get to be 80's constant. Even when it's 80's during the day, the mornings should still be cool. If your worried turn him out at night when the sun goes down and back up in the morning.
Thanks! This will be my plan! |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I'll usually wait until it's staying in the 50-60's at least some during the day. It depends on too though the shape of my pasture. If my pasture weathered good, I'll wait until 60-70's. It usually winds up being about this time every year or mid-March. This year, I'm waiting a little later because we just had zero temps last week!
Here's a pic of my brown (registered) horse... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Longneck - 2015-03-03 6:19 PM this was taken a few weeks ago.
and here is one that was taken mid August last year. I wish I wouldn't have put a filter on it.
Boy he did get pretty bleached out, but he does look like a black to me, but kinda hard to tell by pictures. Just do what the other are saying about letting him out during a certain time of the day, and dont let him get sweat dryed out on him, sweat does alot of damage to a horses coat during the summer sun.  |
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Location: Texas | Mine is genetically confirmed black, and although with good nutrition she hardly bleaches at all anymore, she will fade where she sweats. I did the UC Davis test because we weren't sure what she was.. she's registered brown and I swore she was black. Kuhlmann and I debated over and over and I finally pulled tail hairs and did the UC Davis test.
The first year i had her she had weight to gain and bleached... ever since getting her bloomed and fat she rarely does.. but, like I've said.. her neck will where she sweats. |
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Location: Oklahoma | casualdust07 - 2015-03-03 8:25 PM Mine is genetically confirmed black, and although with good nutrition she hardly bleaches at all anymore, she will fade where she sweats. I did the UC Davis test because we weren't sure what she was.. she's registered brown and I swore she was black. Kuhlmann and I debated over and over and I finally pulled tail hairs and did the UC Davis test. The first year i had her she had weight to gain and bleached... ever since getting her bloomed and fat she rarely does.. but, like I've said.. her neck will where she sweats.
I hope we have nutrition on our side! He would come up to the covered area last summer, but I didn't force him in it. I'll have to stick it out and see if he stays dark! |
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Location: Centerburg, OH | I would get him a fly sheet and hood with UV protection and let him be a horse |
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Location: Oklahoma | tulip - 2015-03-03 10:51 PM I would get him a fly sheet and hood with UV protection and let him be a horse
I hadn't thought about that! Are they as effective as being kept in the shade? |
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Location: North Dakota | Go to http://chevalinternational.com and order Black As Knight. Its a coat enhancer. I used it on a black horse of mine that would bleach in the flanks and it worked WONDERS! and I'm EXTREMELY skeptical of most supplements, etc unless I've seen proven results. He was outside all summer long and never faded. |
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Location: In a happy place | Regarding the fly sheets I use the Amigo Fly Buster sheet from Dover catalogue. It covers from their ears to their tip of their tail. My horses never faded. Just wanted to say I love the looks of your boy be he brown or black. |
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Location: MD | as a rule, i wait till memorial day weekend. Of course I will go earlier or later depending on weather. I like to make sure it's constantly 50+ through the night. Mine are shedding too, eek spring! |
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Location: Oklahoma | sorrel horse ranch - 2015-03-04 9:27 AM Regarding the fly sheets I use the Amigo Fly Buster sheet from Dover catalogue. It covers from their ears to their tip of their tail. My horses never faded. Just wanted to say I love the looks of your boy be he brown or black.
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Location: Oklahoma | Fairweather - 2015-03-03 7:42 PM I'll usually wait until it's staying in the 50-60's at least some during the day. It depends on too though the shape of my pasture. If my pasture weathered good, I'll wait until 60-70's. It usually winds up being about this time every year or mid-March. This year, I'm waiting a little later because we just had zero temps last week! Here's a pic of my brown (registered) horse...
I don't think the picture worked. Curious to see your horse. Mine's registered Brown as well, but I like to tell myself differently. If get gets a scrape or something on his belly the hair grows back jet black. Would a brown still do that? |
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Location: Kansas | what about a UV protected fly sheet? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Longneck - 2015-03-04 10:32 AM Fairweather - 2015-03-03 7:42 PM I'll usually wait until it's staying in the 50-60's at least some during the day. It depends on too though the shape of my pasture. If my pasture weathered good, I'll wait until 60-70's. It usually winds up being about this time every year or mid-March. This year, I'm waiting a little later because we just had zero temps last week! Here's a pic of my brown (registered) horse... I don't think the picture worked. Curious to see your horse. Mine's registered Brown as well, but I like to tell myself differently. If get gets a scrape or something on his belly the hair grows back jet black. Would a brown still do that?
Mine does, gets a scrape any where on his body and the hair comes back dark, right now he's shedding a little and his hair is really dark but as time gos by it will lighting up.  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Let me see if I can find a picture of Melvin,
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Location: Oklahoma | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-04 10:38 AM Longneck - 2015-03-04 10:32 AM Fairweather - 2015-03-03 7:42 PM I'll usually wait until it's staying in the 50-60's at least some during the day. It depends on too though the shape of my pasture. If my pasture weathered good, I'll wait until 60-70's. It usually winds up being about this time every year or mid-March. This year, I'm waiting a little later because we just had zero temps last week! Here's a pic of my brown (registered) horse... I don't think the picture worked. Curious to see your horse. Mine's registered Brown as well, but I like to tell myself differently. If get gets a scrape or something on his belly the hair grows back jet black. Would a brown still do that?
Sorry, Roxie, but you're just full of bad news for me!!!! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Longneck - 2015-03-04 10:42 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-04 10:38 AM Longneck - 2015-03-04 10:32 AM Fairweather - 2015-03-03 7:42 PM I'll usually wait until it's staying in the 50-60's at least some during the day. It depends on too though the shape of my pasture. If my pasture weathered good, I'll wait until 60-70's. It usually winds up being about this time every year or mid-March. This year, I'm waiting a little later because we just had zero temps last week! Here's a pic of my brown (registered) horse... I don't think the picture worked. Curious to see your horse. Mine's registered Brown as well, but I like to tell myself differently. If get gets a scrape or something on his belly the hair grows back jet black. Would a brown still do that?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | On Mel you can see the brown in his flanks, legs and face but his body can get dark, but his is a brown. |
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| My boy is considered brown but IMO he is sooty buckskin, h never gets darker then a chocolate brown and 1/4 of his body is always light buckskin, nose, flank, belly, face.
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| IowaCanChaser - 2015-03-04 12:21 PM
My boy is considered brown but IMO he is sooty buckskin, h never gets darker then a chocolate brown and 1/4 of his body is always light buckskin, nose, flank, belly, face.
Summer and Winter, he's brown isn't he? |
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Location: Oklahoma | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-04 10:42 AM Let me see if I can find a picture of Melvin,
Hum.. this is what my guy looks somewhat like in the summer... I'm going to dig for more pictures!! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Genetically there really isn't such a thing as what the AQHA calls a 'brown'. You may have a smoky black (who is a real black but has burnt looking hair) or you may have a dark buckskin or bay. A DNA test is the only way to see what you have. Either way, feeding paprika before they shed off (2 tbsp a day) and keeping them up in the day (or letting out only in a fly sheet) will keep them dark. |
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Location: Oklahoma | IowaCanChaser - 2015-03-04 12:21 PM My boy is considered brown but IMO he is sooty buckskin, h never gets darker then a chocolate brown and 1/4 of his body is always light buckskin, nose, flank, belly, face.
Very handsome guy!!!! |
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Location: Oklahoma | oija - 2015-03-04 12:41 PM Genetically there really isn't such a thing as what the AQHA calls a 'brown'. You may have a smoky black (who is a real black but has burnt looking hair) or you may have a dark buckskin or bay. A DNA test is the only way to see what you have. Either way, feeding paprika before they shed off (2 tbsp a day) and keeping them up in the day (or letting out only in a fly sheet) will keep them dark.
Is the paprika safe to feed?
I remember reading some article about a supplement that was banned from some organization because it makes the horse not feel pain.. I think it was some kind of pepper. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Longneck - 2015-03-04 12:46 PM
oija - 2015-03-04 12:41 PM Genetically there really isn't such a thing as what the AQHA calls a 'brown'. You may have a smoky black (who is a real black but has burnt looking hair) or you may have a dark buckskin or bay. A DNA test is the only way to see what you have. Either way, feeding paprika before they shed off (2 tbsp a day) and keeping them up in the day (or letting out only in a fly sheet) will keep them dark.
Is the paprika safe to feed?
I remember reading some article about a supplement that was banned from some organization because it makes the horse not feel pain.. I think it was some kind of pepper.
Paprika has capsacin in it. It does not have enough to block pain. In larger doses, capsacin has analgesic activity, like they use in Ben Gay. If you are going to show, don't feed it or stop feeding it a few days ahead so its not in their system. If you are just barrel racing (not WPRA) it should be fine. Black as Knight's main ingredient is paprika. Again, there's not enough to do anything but enough to show up on some tests. |
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| Longneck - 2015-03-04 12:41 PM
IowaCanChaser - 2015-03-04 12:21 PM My boy is considered brown but IMO he is sooty buckskin, h never gets darker then a chocolate brown and 1/4 of his body is always light buckskin, nose, flank, belly, face.
Very handsome guy!!!!
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| oija - 2015-03-04 12:41 PM
Genetically there really isn't such a thing as what the AQHA calls a 'brown'. You may have a smoky black (who is a real black but has burnt looking hair) or you may have a dark buckskin or bay. A DNA test is the only way to see what you have. Either way, feeding paprika before they shed off (2 tbsp a day) and keeping them up in the day (or letting out only in a fly sheet) will keep them dark.
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Location: Oklahoma |  This (above) was taken end of September. Switched him to Renew Gold end of August and he shed and turned this color, but apparently that's when he also started to grow his winter coat.
This (below) was taken in July... probably the most damaging picture of my "wanting a black horse" case 
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Location: Oklahoma | oija - 2015-03-04 12:53 PM Longneck - 2015-03-04 12:46 PM oija - 2015-03-04 12:41 PM Genetically there really isn't such a thing as what the AQHA calls a 'brown'. You may have a smoky black (who is a real black but has burnt looking hair) or you may have a dark buckskin or bay. A DNA test is the only way to see what you have. Either way, feeding paprika before they shed off (2 tbsp a day) and keeping them up in the day (or letting out only in a fly sheet) will keep them dark. Is the paprika safe to feed?
I remember reading some article about a supplement that was banned from some organization because it makes the horse not feel pain.. I think it was some kind of pepper. Paprika has capsacin in it. It does not have enough to block pain. In larger doses, capsacin has analgesic activity, like they use in Ben Gay. If you are going to show, don't feed it or stop feeding it a few days ahead so its not in their system. If you are just barrel racing (not WPRA ) it should be fine. Black as Knight's main ingredient is paprika. Again, there's not enough to do anything but enough to show up on some tests.
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Location: Oklahoma | IowaCanChaser - 2015-03-04 1:08 PM oija - 2015-03-04 12:41 PM Genetically there really isn't such a thing as what the AQHA calls a 'brown'. You may have a smoky black (who is a real black but has burnt looking hair) or you may have a dark buckskin or bay. A DNA test is the only way to see what you have. Either way, feeding paprika before they shed off (2 tbsp a day) and keeping them up in the day (or letting out only in a fly sheet) will keep them dark. His AQHA papers say "Brown"
Mine, too... but I'm not even going to try and figure out genetics! haha! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | AQHA's color definitions are outdated. They were done when there was no DNA testing. It's important because a smoky black carries a crème gene, just like a Palomino or Buckskin. That means if you breed a smoky black to another horse that carries a crème gene you run a 1/4 chance of getting a cremello or perlino, one of those goldy white horses often with pink or blue eyes. These colors can be hard to sell and hard to maintain.
A dark bay that is registered as a brown looks the same BUT will not throw those colors; they have no crème gene.
In terms of appearance, "brown" works but if you are breeding the genetics play a big role.
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