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Location: Kansas | I got halfway through it and got bored and quit.
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | i clearly wasn't paying attention to commercials haha. The only sponsor i could think of was polaris and they repeated that over, and over, and over again |
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | I took it...felt bad I couldn't reacall a lot of the sponsors!!! I did remember a few though :)
My biggest concern....People not knowing the rules. I realize it's only on it's 2nd year but those who are announcing and doing the broadcasts should know those rules inside and out or not comment if they don't know. |
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | horsepoor1 - 2015-03-04 7:59 AM i clearly wasn't paying attention to commercials haha. The only sponsor i could think of was polaris and they repeated that over, and over, and over again
I only recalled Polaris because Lisa mentioned how her boys were racing the one she won last year! lol |
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Location: Deep South | I could remember RFD TV and Polaris because those are the only two sponsors repeatedly shoved down your throats throughout the entire event and plastered all over every inch of the arena.
I realize that they put up a tremendous amount of money to put it on and I am very grateful for all that they do to give us this rodeo, but I can't help but feel badly for the other sponsors that are contributing money and getting zero recognition from the audience because RFD and Polaris are so in your face at every moment.
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| I had to guess at some of the sponsors. Agree, Polaris was so "present" that you could help but remember it. For me the size of the place, 2 arenas a big platform between them, so much going on it was impossible to notice sponsors. While I watched from the comfort of home, I couldn't help but be perplexed at why anyone would pay to attend when the audience was sooooo far away from the action; I did mention this in the comments. If I have to pay to watch on a big screen TV, I'll stay home and see it better, no lines for the bathroom, food, or traffic. I like smaller arenas where you can see all the events and well. Didn't care for all the holding pens in the arena either. My opinion - but a horrible venue for a rodeo. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Don'tcha remember the Cinch cam? That sucker made me motion sick!  |
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Location: Kansas | I just took it |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | Just did it. Glad I could remain annonymous. |
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| Because I don't sit through commercials, I had NO clue who the sponsors were! That's when I get up, fold clothes, do the dishes, mop the floor, clean the bathroom, etc.  |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | yes, now that you mention it, i do remember the cinch cam lol. I was only half watching between trying to do housework and kids saying "mama" every three seconds. But when the barrels came on, i locked myself in my bedroom and told everyone to leave me alone
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Location: The edge of no where | I took it - it's important to let them know we appreciate the sponsors efforts to bring an event like this to us.
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Maybe we don't agree with exactly how it was run, but cut them a bit of a break. It's evolving. It's pretty darn incredible what they've managed to do for the sport of rodeo. It's not that big of a deal to take a minute and thank them for it.
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Location: Oklahoma | MS2011 - 2015-03-04 11:24 AM I took it - it's important to let them know we appreciate the sponsors efforts to bring an event like this to us.
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Maybe we don't agree with exactly how it was run, but cut them a bit of a break. It's evolving. It's pretty darn incredible what they've managed to do for the sport of rodeo. It's not that big of a deal to take a minute and thank them for it.
Ariat and Classic Equine/Equibrand
I just wish we could have watched the pre-show on the big screen while we were waiting for the rodeo to start. That's one thing I kinda liked better about being at home. The two arenas is somewhat annoying because I think it would be pretty tough to get good seats for all the events. Oh well, it's not going to stop me from going next year so I'm not complaining too much! |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | After the question about the sponsors I remembered most of them. I did put in the comments the rules seemed to made up as the go along, and specifically put the bull riding and steer wrestling. I didn't put my email becuase I hate getting emails I know I'll just delete. |
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| I hope lots of people comment how unsatisfactory the bull riding decision to allow the guy from S.A. to ride and how unsportsmanlike it was when he soaked his bull. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | The major comment I made was they needed to work harder to make sure all times and scores were on the screen. Many we were left guessing and I didn't even hear them in the announcer's comments. |
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Location: North Dakota | oija - 2015-03-04 12:47 PM The major comment I made was they needed to work harder to make sure all times and scores were on the screen. Many we were left guessing and I didn't even hear them in the announcer's comments.
Exactly what I said. Many scores were never said or put on screen. I still don't know what my one rider ended up scoring other than the fact he wasn't in the top 4. I had to listen for the announcers in the background to say it because the TV announcers weren't. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Longneck - 2015-03-04 11:36 AM MS2011 - 2015-03-04 11:24 AM I took it - it's important to let them know we appreciate the sponsors efforts to bring an event like this to us.
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Polaris
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RFD-TV
Maybe we don't agree with exactly how it was run, but cut them a bit of a break. It's evolving. It's pretty darn incredible what they've managed to do for the sport of rodeo. It's not that big of a deal to take a minute and thank them for it.
Ariat and Classic Equine/Equibrand
I just wish we could have watched the pre-show on the big screen while we were waiting for the rodeo to start. That's one thing I kinda liked better about being at home. The two arenas is somewhat annoying because I think it would be pretty tough to get good seats for all the events. Oh well, it's not going to stop me from going next year so I'm not complaining too much!
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Location: The edge of no where | Nevertooold - 2015-03-04 3:06 PM Longneck - 2015-03-04 11:36 AM MS2011 - 2015-03-04 11:24 AM I took it - it's important to let them know we appreciate the sponsors efforts to bring an event like this to us.
Cinch
Vetricyn
Animal Health
Polaris
Kabota
RFD-TV
Maybe we don't agree with exactly how it was run, but cut them a bit of a break. It's evolving. It's pretty darn incredible what they've managed to do for the sport of rodeo. It's not that big of a deal to take a minute and thank them for it.
Ariat and Classic Equine/Equibrand
I just wish we could have watched the pre-show on the big screen while we were waiting for the rodeo to start. That's one thing I kinda liked better about being at home. The two arenas is somewhat annoying because I think it would be pretty tough to get good seats for all the events. Oh well, it's not going to stop me from going next year so I'm not complaining too much!
Thanks! Hopefully if people list that they knew about the sponsors, it will convince the sponsors that we are paying attention and we do appreciate their contribution. This will be better next year! |
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Location: Where it is too cold, SD | I complained in the commments section that if they thought they wanted the NFR to air - they better work on doing a better job on their own production - not showing the slack - and the Saturday night Semi's was a very poor decision - I understand they have other shows? But this was their BIGGEST week with so many people wanting to watch - why give 3-2-1 the time and business when that could have been theirs - face the fact that many many many people were not ever gonna attend the slack for them to think not airing it would bring up their ticket sales. |
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Location: North Dakota | DesignerShoes - 2015-03-04 6:16 PM I complained in the commments section that if they thought they wanted the NFR to air - they better work on doing a better job on their own production - not showing the slack - and the Saturday night Semi's was a very poor decision - I understand they have other shows? But this was their BIGGEST week with so many people wanting to watch - why give 3-2-1 the time and business when that could have been theirs - face the fact that many many many people were not ever gonna attend the slack for them to think not airing it would bring up their ticket sales.
They aired the Saturday night semis. It aired before the Sunday perf. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Itsme - 2015-03-04 7:02 PM
Maybe browning...
I think Browning. I forgot about them and RMEF being sponsors. |
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Location: Texas | I took it , when I got to the comments........."need to figure out an alley way for the barrel race before someone or someone's horse or both get hurt"
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Location: Kansas | BMW - 2015-03-04 12:29 PM I hope lots of people comment how unsatisfactory the bull riding decision to allow the guy from S.A. to ride and how unsportsmanlike it was when he soaked his bull.
Raven Flyer is a bull none of the PBR bull riders want to draw. I think Alves was trying to make him look bad enough that he could get a reride. I have a real problem with the way the Brazilian riders treat these great bulls. It must drive the contractors crazy. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-03-04 9:40 PM Just Plain Lucky - 2015-03-04 9:33 PM Are there rules concerning riders soaking bulls? If so, why are they not being enforced? That's a good question as I thought they were going with PBR rules and that is a No NO..
I just checked and it is goverened by the PBR rules and this is what it says about soaking bulls.
PUEBLO, Colo. ? This weekend during the Built Ford Tough Series DeWALT Guaranteed Tough Invitational in Idaho, a new addition to the Professional Bull Riders’ original chute clock rule will officially go into effect.
A way for the PBR to protect the wellbeing of animal athletes, this rule has always been in place, allowing judges to disqualify a rider if he is taking too long to get ready in the chute. The existing rule that allows each rider time to prepare in the chute will now be enhanced visually to ensure consistency and include a countdown clock that is controlled by the back judge.
Each rider will have 60 seconds from the time he begins to pull his rope until he nods his head to begin the ride. The chute clock will stop the countdown when the judge starts the 8-second ride clock.
Regarding disqualification the rule states, “In the event that the chute clock countdown time expires before the rider nods his head, the judge has to make a determination to disqualify either the rider or the bull at the end of the allotted time. If the bull is disqualified then the rider will receive the first available re-ride bull. If the rider is disqualified, his ride for that round is over and he will receive a no score.”
The PBR has been testing the countdown clock since the beginning of the 2014 season at Madison Square Garden in New York and feel that the system, riders and judges are now prepared and accustomed to the visual addition. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | And KC Jones was determined the sole winner and it wasn't a tie. In a tie in rodeo, they would have taken the the whole amount and split it. They didn't. |
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Location: Texas | The American is no different than any other barrel race or rodeo, there are things I like about it and things I really think should change.
It is a work in progress and I do like the principal behind it. I also like that they even ASK for our thoughts and opinions! LOL
I would be willing to bet it gets better every year. |
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Location: Where it is too cold, SD | Just Bring It - 2015-03-04 5:58 PM DesignerShoes - 2015-03-04 6:16 PM I complained in the commments section that if they thought they wanted the NFR to air - they better work on doing a better job on their own production - not showing the slack - and the Saturday night Semi's was a very poor decision - I understand they have other shows? But this was their BIGGEST week with so many people wanting to watch - why give 3-2-1 the time and business when that could have been theirs - face the fact that many many many people were not ever gonna attend the slack for them to think not airing it would bring up their ticket sales. They aired the Saturday night semis. It aired before the Sunday perf.
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Location: Kansas | Nevertooold - 2015-03-04 9:46 PM Nevertooold - 2015-03-04 9:40 PM Just Plain Lucky - 2015-03-04 9:33 PM Are there rules concerning riders soaking bulls? If so, why are they not being enforced? That's a good question as I thought they were going with PBR rules and that is a No NO..
PUEBLO, Colo. ? This weekend during the Built Ford Tough Series DeWALT Guaranteed Tough Invitational in Idaho, a new addition to the Professional Bull Riders’ original chute clock rule will officially go into effect.
A way for the PBR to protect the wellbeing of animal athletes, this rule has always been in place, allowing judges to disqualify a rider if he is taking too long to get ready in the chute. The existing rule that allows each rider time to prepare in the chute will now be enhanced visually to ensure consistency and include a countdown clock that is controlled by the back judge.
Each rider will have 60 seconds from the time he begins to pull his rope until he nods his head to begin the ride. The chute clock will stop the countdown when the judge starts the 8-second ride clock.
Regarding disqualification the rule states, “In the event that the chute clock countdown time expires before the rider nods his head, the judge has to make a determination to disqualify either the rider or the bull at the end of the allotted time. If the bull is disqualified then the rider will receive the first available re-ride bull. If the rider is disqualified, his ride for that round is over and he will receive a no score.”
The PBR has been testing the countdown clock since the beginning of the 2014 season at Madison Square Garden in New York and feel that the system, riders and judges are now prepared and accustomed to the visual addition.
I watch the PBR pretty faithfully and the Brazilians stretch the time limit every time they get on a bull. Several have already been DQ'd this year....then they have the nerve to get angry about it. They cross themselves, play with their hats, adjust their gloves, adjust their chaps, fiddle with the tail of the rope, are never satisfied with the way the bull is standing and then fail to nod when the bull is just right. Alves goofed around with Asteroid for so long at the PBR Finals that this bull showed a weak performance and won Silvano the Finals and the World. The stock contractor was hoping for Bull of the Year and this could have cost him the year. It's just maddening. |
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Location: sunny california | I think they should have alternates ready in the bull riding and just keep adding contestants from the list until 4 make it to the short go. not fair to let someone that got bucked off get back on and win that money. |
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Location: North Dakota | Nevertooold - 2015-03-04 9:46 PM Nevertooold - 2015-03-04 9:40 PM Just Plain Lucky - 2015-03-04 9:33 PM Are there rules concerning riders soaking bulls? If so, why are they not being enforced? That's a good question as I thought they were going with PBR rules and that is a No NO..
PUEBLO, Colo. ? This weekend during the Built Ford Tough Series DeWALT Guaranteed Tough Invitational in Idaho, a new addition to the Professional Bull Riders’ original chute clock rule will officially go into effect.
A way for the PBR to protect the wellbeing of animal athletes, this rule has always been in place, allowing judges to disqualify a rider if he is taking too long to get ready in the chute. The existing rule that allows each rider time to prepare in the chute will now be enhanced visually to ensure consistency and include a countdown clock that is controlled by the back judge.
Each rider will have 60 seconds from the time he begins to pull his rope until he nods his head to begin the ride. The chute clock will stop the countdown when the judge starts the 8-second ride clock.
Regarding disqualification the rule states, “In the event that the chute clock countdown time expires before the rider nods his head, the judge has to make a determination to disqualify either the rider or the bull at the end of the allotted time. If the bull is disqualified then the rider will receive the first available re-ride bull. If the rider is disqualified, his ride for that round is over and he will receive a no score.”
The PBR has been testing the countdown clock since the beginning of the 2014 season at Madison Square Garden in New York and feel that the system, riders and judges are now prepared and accustomed to the visual addition.
I can guarantee Salvano was on his bull longer than a minute! They even had to move on to someone else and when they came back to Salvano they still allowed him to soak that bull!! It was disgusting and him winning it just really put a sour taste in my mouth. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Nevertooold - 2015-03-04 9:49 PM And KC Jones was determined the sole winner and it wasn't a tie. In a tie in rodeo, they would have taken the the whole amount and split it. They didn't.
Their score for the perf was a tie but the winner was determined by the tie breaker per the rules. So he was not the winner on a single time but on two times- aka the avg. I am sure you already know this though. Just clarifying. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | 4Horse - 2015-03-04 10:24 AM I had to guess at some of the sponsors. Agree, Polaris was so "present" that you could help but remember it. For me the size of the place, 2 arenas a big platform between them, so much going on it was impossible to notice sponsors. While I watched from the comfort of home, I couldn't help but be perplexed at why anyone would pay to attend when the audience was sooooo far away from the action; I did mention this in the comments. If I have to pay to watch on a big screen TV, I'll stay home and see it better, no lines for the bathroom, food, or traffic. I like smaller arenas where you can see all the events and well. Didn't care for all the holding pens in the arena either. My opinion - but a horrible venue for a rodeo.
I would disagree but I was there on not at home. There is an electricity in the air. And I was closer to the action than anytime I have been at the NFR but then again, Gold Buckle seats are very high and harder to get, NFR tickets period are nearly impossible to get- muchless decent seats.
The feedback I gave was they NEED a climate controlled vendor show. Cowboy Christmas in Vegas is so popular that they now have like 5 of them. |
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Location: Kansas | kwanatha - 2015-03-05 7:30 AM I think they should have alternates ready in the bull riding and just keep adding contestants from the list until 4 make it to the short go. not fair to let someone that got bucked off get back on and win that money.
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | kwanatha - 2015-03-05 6:30 AM I think they should have alternates ready in the bull riding and just keep adding contestants from the list until 4 make it to the short go. not fair to let someone that got bucked off get back on and win that money.
What if they couldn't get 4 to ride?!?! It could go on forever and I want to see the short round of the barrels! :)
Bull riding has become my least favorite event because very few ever ride anymore. Wait 10 minutes for them to leave the chute and they hit the dirt in 2 seconds. I'm sure the guys love the challenge to "ride a rank one" but I'm tired of never seeing any rides. If only 3 qualified for the short round...then only 3 should advance...if nobody rides...throw the names into a hat and draw out 4. |
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Location: North Dakota | babiemox - 2015-03-05 11:26 AM kwanatha - 2015-03-05 6:30 AM I think they should have alternates ready in the bull riding and just keep adding contestants from the list until 4 make it to the short go. not fair to let someone that got bucked off get back on and win that money. What if they couldn't get 4 to ride?!?! It could go on forever and I want to see the short round of the barrels! :)
Bull riding has become my least favorite event because very few ever ride anymore. Wait 10 minutes for them to leave the chute and they hit the dirt in 2 seconds. I'm sure the guys love the challenge to "ride a rank one" but I'm tired of never seeing any rides. If only 3 qualified for the short round...then only 3 should advance...if nobody rides...throw the names into a hat and draw out 4.
I agree....if only three qualify then only three get the opportunity to ride for the payout. Randy Bernard said that the crowd paid for their tickets to they want to see 4 ride. No, I believe the crowd wants to see those that deserve to be in the shootout ride...not someone who lucked into it to soak a bull for 10 minutes just to steal the win in the end from the three that deserved to be there. |
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| babiemox - 2015-03-05 11:26 AM
kwanatha - 2015-03-05 6:30 AM I think they should have alternates ready in the bull riding and just keep adding contestants from the list until 4 make it to the short go. not fair to let someone that got bucked off get back on and win that money.
What if they couldn't get 4 to ride?!?! It could go on forever and I want to see the short round of the barrels! :)
Bull riding has become my least favorite event because very few ever ride anymore. Wait 10 minutes for them to leave the chute and they hit the dirt in 2 seconds. I'm sure the guys love the challenge to "ride a rank one" but I'm tired of never seeing any rides. If only 3 qualified for the short round...then only 3 should advance...if nobody rides...throw the names into a hat and draw out 4.
In TYRA, a junior rodeo assoc. in Texas, if no one covered their bull then no one won. If only 1 covered his bull he won the whole pot. If only 2 rode then they spilt it 60/40. It was the same in every event, if none of the breakaway ropers caught a calf in the finals, no one won the saddle or buckle. If only 3 qualified for the finals, then they are the only ones who should have rode in the final round. There were times this was the case. I agree babiemox, I don't care for bull riding anymore. I went to Extreme Bullriding round at San Antonio Rodeo, my gosh was I bored! The first several rounds were nothing but dinks, and the cowboys acted like they had really done something to cover them. It lasted way to long and I wanted gone long before I was. |
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| scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM
I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part.
KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense?
I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware. |
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| stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware.
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Location: Coffeyville KS | I still think if you make the top 4....you should all get money....also if winning the long go...should merit some money... |
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Location: Where I am happiest | stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware.
Actually, KC Jones did in the end get a part of the Million. Randy Barnard was on The American Recap last night on RFD TV and they said he did get to share in the million. Rightfully so! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | ThreeCorners - 2015-03-05 2:16 PM stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware.
Sounds good to me..
If in fact they had split first and second, that would have been a tie. They undid the tie and he was the outright winner and many of us old farts looked at it the same way.
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scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM
I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part.
KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense?
I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware.
The way the rule actually is written, KC should have been eligible for part of the million. The rule, and I am paraphrasing here, reads that in the event of a tie the winner will be chosen based on the two head average from the shoot out round and the long round. If a winner cannot be determined from the tie breaker (they have an identical time in each round), then they will be co-champions, and the money will be split equally. The rule states that no co-champion will be eligible for the million dollar side pot. In this case KC was not a "co-champion", as he was determined the sole winner via the tie-breaker and earned the $100,000, rather than having to split $125,000 with nick guy (who won second).
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Location: Arkansas | ThreeCorners - 2015-03-05 2:16 PM
stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware.
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Location: Colorado plains standing on a goat head! | Chandler's Mom - 2015-03-05 9:41 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-05 2:16 PM stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware. So they took part of the million from the other two contestants?
Yes, they took $83k from Price & Reemer and paid KC $283k, which is great. The founder of RFD-TV wanted to make it right. Though, I do not understand the math at all. It seems that 1 million split 3 ways should be about $333k. Hopefully someone has an explanation this old cowboy can understand! ;-) |
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Location: North Dakota | paysonw - 2015-03-06 10:54 AM Chandler's Mom - 2015-03-05 9:41 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-05 2:16 PM stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware. So they took part of the million from the other two contestants?
It was suppose to be $333k? Did they just decide to give him less in an attempt to make everyone happy? The two guys that thought they were getting $500k and KC who thought he was only getting $100k??? |
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paysonw - 2015-03-06 10:54 AM Chandler's Mom - 2015-03-05 9:41 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-05 2:16 PM stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware. So they took part of the million from the other two contestants?
There was a posting from Randy on fb, all parties agree to the amount. The two volunatrily gave up x amount of their winnings and KC agreed to a little less to make it right. The intention of the rules were that he wasnt eligible for the million but due to confusion with the rule, they agreed he should be given a cut. Randy stated the rule was interpreted differently by multiple readers. I would guess they will word it better for next year.
I just wana say I think hes gotten a lot of crap thus far... and I wanna give a hand though to dealing with the hostility so professional and doing his best to satisfy everyone. I loved his event and I would hate for him to get discouraged and not produce it anymore!
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Location: Colorado plains standing on a goat head! | stayceem - 2015-03-06 3:25 PM Just Bring It - 2015-03-06 11:00 AM paysonw - 2015-03-06 10:54 AM Chandler's Mom - 2015-03-05 9:41 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-05 2:16 PM stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware. So they took part of the million from the other two contestants? There was a posting from Randy on fb, all parties agree to the amount. The two volunatrily gave up x amount of their winnings and KC agreed to a little less to make it right. The intention of the rules were that he wasnt eligible for the million but due to confusion with the rule, they agreed he should be given a cut. Randy stated the rule was interpreted differently by multiple readers. I would guess they will word it better for next year. I just wana say I think hes gotten a lot of crap thus far... and I wanna give a hand though to dealing with the hostility so professional and doing his best to satisfy everyone. I loved his event and I would hate for him to get discouraged and not produce it anymore!
This post says he got another $283k so that makes more sense;Did you hear the news last night on ?#RFDTV? during ?#TheAmerican? Wrap-Up Show? KC Jones, who tied for the fastest steer wrestling time in Sunday’s Shootout Round, will be making some more money! "Unfortunately, there was some confusion with the way the rule was written that made it ambiguous," said Randy Bernard. "RFD-TV is hosting The American to help the sport, not to hurt anybody. We want to do what's right." After a conference call with everyone involved, it was agree...d that Jones would receive an extra $283,000. Everybody gave up a little money, including KC, to make the agreement work.
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Location: Mansfield, TX | I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol |
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I thought it was a survey to get our opinion?
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Itsme - 2015-03-06 9:22 PM
I thought it was a survey to get our opinion?
There is an actual survey... this is not a survey.
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Location: Arkansas | paysonw - 2015-03-06 10:54 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-03-05 9:41 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-05 2:16 PM stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware. So they took part of the million from the other two contestants?
I feel for the two that had already counted their money, but it was SO the right thing to do cause KC deserved part of the million. |
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Location: Arkansas | paysonw - 2015-03-06 4:35 PM
stayceem - 2015-03-06 3:25 PM Just Bring It - 2015-03-06 11:00 AM paysonw - 2015-03-06 10:54 AM Chandler's Mom - 2015-03-05 9:41 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-05 2:16 PM stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware. So they took part of the million from the other two contestants? There was a posting from Randy on fb, all parties agree to the amount. The two volunatrily gave up x amount of their winnings and KC agreed to a little less to make it right. The intention of the rules were that he wasnt eligible for the million but due to confusion with the rule, they agreed he should be given a cut. Randy stated the rule was interpreted differently by multiple readers. I would guess they will word it better for next year. I just wana say I think hes gotten a lot of crap thus far... and I wanna give a hand though to dealing with the hostility so professional and doing his best to satisfy everyone. I loved his event and I would hate for him to get discouraged and not produce it anymore! Did you hear the news last night on ?#?RFDTV? during ?#?TheAmerican? Wrap-Up Show? KC Jones, who tied for the fastest steer wrestling time in Sunday’s Shootout Round, will be making some more money! "Unfortunately, there was some confusion with the way the rule was written that made it ambiguous," said Randy Bernard. "RFD-TV is hosting The American to help the sport, not to hurt anybody. We want to do what's right." After a conference call with everyone involved, it was agree...d that Jones would receive an extra $283,000. Everybody gave up a little money, including KC, to make the agreement work.
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stayceem - 2015-03-06 9:38 PM
Itsme - 2015-03-06 9:22 PM
I thought it was a survey to get our opinion?
There is an actual survey... this is not a survey.
God forbid anyone voice their opinion.
Post away but I think that we also need to look at the positive things the American has done for our sport and the great things it has done. I just know as a producer and seeing so much criticism, would be pretty exhausting.
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Location: South Dakota | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 8:56 PM I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ridejg - 2015-03-07 10:16 AM Destry Fleming - 2015-03-06 8:56 PM I'm not trying to tell anyone to say or do,, but I would just like to point out that in only 2 short years "The American" has pumped millions of dollars into cowboy/cowgirl ' s pockets. Have there been some hiccups? Absolutely. But in fairness to the RFD crew I believe they are trying their very best to do what is right for the contestants. C'mon y'all.. there is no where that it's written in stone that they ever even have to do another one. That would be a huge loss to everyone. Being in on the production side of the event I can tell you they are doing their very best to put on a good show and have a huge payout. Let's cut them a little slack. Unless someone else has a few million dollars to throw around. Anyone?? Lol ^^^^^^
Thankyou...well said....focus on the good.
Destry you have posted this twice admonishing people for voicing their opinions....so I will post mine here........
I see this discussion as this and for what it is worth……EVERY rodeo committee can make their rodeo better….how….by actually listening to the contestants and spectators that have a knowledge of rodeo. This rodeo is a great concept and can surely get bigger and better. The “kinks” that have been pointed out such as ground conditions in the semi final events, rules that are vague (K.C.), and rules that were ignored (PBR rule of soaking the bulls) can only help to make it better. |
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Location: Mansfield, TX | I will agree with everything you have said. I will also go a step further and say that we have already been in discussions with RFD about the ground conditions at the Semi's. They actually asked us for help for next year if they have another one.
I didn't mean to admonish anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention. I know it's easy to watch something on TV (or even in person) and pick it to pieces. I just don't want people to loose sight of how much money the American has put in cowboys pockets in the last 2 years. It would be a shame for them to not decided to fool with it anymore. That's all.
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Location: Washington | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-07 9:48 AM I will agree with everything you have said. I will also go a step further and say that we have already been in discussions with RFD about the ground conditions at the Semi's. They actually asked us for help for next year if they have another one.
I didn't mean to admonish anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention. I know it's easy to watch something on TV (or even in person) and pick it to pieces. I just don't want people to loose sight of how much money the American has put in cowboys pockets in the last 2 years. It would be a shame for them to not decided to fool with it anymore. That's all.
What has been accomplished in two years is amazing. As the growing pains arise they seem to be getting addressed. This is all that we can ask for as knowledable fans of the sport we love. I am sure we all can agree we want to see this succeed. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | fatchance - 2015-03-07 12:18 PM Destry Fleming - 2015-03-07 9:48 AM I will agree with everything you have said. I will also go a step further and say that we have already been in discussions with RFD about the ground conditions at the Semi's. They actually asked us for help for next year if they have another one.
I didn't mean to admonish anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention. I know it's easy to watch something on TV (or even in person) and pick it to pieces. I just don't want people to loose sight of how much money the American has put in cowboys pockets in the last 2 years. It would be a shame for them to not decided to fool with it anymore. That's all.
What has been accomplished in two years is amazing. As the growing pains arise they seem to be getting addressed. This is all that we can ask for as knowledable fans of the sport we love. I am sure we all can agree we want to see this succeed.
I agree...I would love to see this succeed with the kinks taken out and if everyone sat back and didn't say anything nothing would change. The complaints will make it a bigger and better venue if they are looked at and addressed. |
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Location: Here | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-07 11:48 AM I will agree with everything you have said. I will also go a step further and say that we have already been in discussions with RFD about the ground conditions at the Semi's. They actually asked us for help for next year if they have another one.
I didn't mean to admonish anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention. I know it's easy to watch something on TV (or even in person) and pick it to pieces. I just don't want people to loose sight of how much money the American has put in cowboys pockets in the last 2 years. It would be a shame for them to not decided to fool with it anymore. That's all.
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Location: The edge of no where | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-07 11:48 AM I will agree with everything you have said. I will also go a step further and say that we have already been in discussions with RFD about the ground conditions at the Semi's. They actually asked us for help for next year if they have another one.
I didn't mean to admonish anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention. I know it's easy to watch something on TV (or even in person) and pick it to pieces. I just don't want people to loose sight of how much money the American has put in cowboys pockets in the last 2 years. It would be a shame for them to not decided to fool with it anymore. That's all.
Thank you!!!
Drives me crazy to see so much focus on a few hiccups and growing pains. This is an INCREDIBLE event!!! I don't see any of the contestants whining.....
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Location: Mansfield, TX | SG. - 2015-03-07 2:39 PM Destry Fleming - 2015-03-07 11:48 AM I will agree with everything you have said. I will also go a step further and say that we have already been in discussions with RFD about the ground conditions at the Semi's. They actually asked us for help for next year if they have another one.
I didn't mean to admonish anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention. I know it's easy to watch something on TV (or even in person) and pick it to pieces. I just don't want people to loose sight of how much money the American has put in cowboys pockets in the last 2 years. It would be a shame for them to not decided to fool with it anymore. That's all.
Did the BBR not handle the barrel race and the ground this year?
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Location: Here | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-07 4:13 PM SG. - 2015-03-07 2:39 PM Destry Fleming - 2015-03-07 11:48 AM I will agree with everything you have said. I will also go a step further and say that we have already been in discussions with RFD about the ground conditions at the Semi's. They actually asked us for help for next year if they have another one.
I didn't mean to admonish anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention. I know it's easy to watch something on TV (or even in person) and pick it to pieces. I just don't want people to loose sight of how much money the American has put in cowboys pockets in the last 2 years. It would be a shame for them to not decided to fool with it anymore. That's all.
Did the BBR not handle the barrel race and the ground this year?
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | The American is an incredible event for the participants. Wow... $$$$$$. And I love the fact it allows those who cannot "go" full-time the opportunity to win some big money in a huge spotlight. This is the type of event that can (and will) attract more participants and fans into the sport..... and it is extremely impressive to see the list of sponsors who lined up for this event. Polaris has been wonderful and there is no doubt they will reap rewards for their support of rodeo. Loved seeing so many young folks in the qualifying events - and in the American. They are the future.
And I very much enjoyed watching it on TV -- and hope to attend next year's event in person. Love having the final four shoot-out. Very exciting.
It is a new event so there are growing pains, but I believe RFD-TV is committed to doing the right thing. Nothing and nobody are perfect.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Destry Fleming - 2015-03-07 4:13 PM SG. - 2015-03-07 2:39 PM Destry Fleming - 2015-03-07 11:48 AM I will agree with everything you have said. I will also go a step further and say that we have already been in discussions with RFD about the ground conditions at the Semi's. They actually asked us for help for next year if they have another one.
I didn't mean to admonish anyone, that certainly wasn't my intention. I know it's easy to watch something on TV (or even in person) and pick it to pieces. I just don't want people to loose sight of how much money the American has put in cowboys pockets in the last 2 years. It would be a shame for them to not decided to fool with it anymore. That's all.
Did the BBR not handle the barrel race and the ground this year?
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Location: rodeo trail | Coming for the mother of a contestant: This is an amazing event. (Contestants receive many "gifts" that I am sure the general public are not aware of). Thank you for the great oppurtunity RFD TV and BBR!! My only wish is that for an event of this magnitude the payout went further down at the finals not to just the top two. Our personal experience is the that everyone went out of their way to make it a pleasant experience and tried to help you in any way possible.
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Just Bring It - 2015-03-06 11:00 AM
paysonw - 2015-03-06 10:54 AM Chandler's Mom - 2015-03-05 9:41 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-05 2:16 PM stayceem - 2015-03-05 12:09 PM scwebster - 2015-03-05 11:53 AM I saw something about KC, what exactly happened? I missed that part. KC was a qualifer and technically tied for 1st in the shootout. He qualified with one of the invitees. To break the time, they took the average and KC has the faster average. Therefore, he won the 100,000 and the other guy (forget his name ) took 2nd for 25,000. However, KC didnt get added to the million pot because he didnt win his event "outright" since it was a tie and he was deemed the winner due to a tie-breaker system. Make sense? I personally am not upseet by this. These rules are in place prior to the rodeo and each contestant is aware. So they took part of the million from the other two contestants?
There was a posting from Randy on fb, all parties agree to the amount. The two volunatrily gave up x amount of their winnings and KC agreed to a little less to make it right. The intention of the rules were that he wasnt eligible for the million but due to confusion with the rule, they agreed he should be given a cut. Randy stated the rule was interpreted differently by multiple readers. I would guess they will word it better for next year.
I just wana say I think hes gotten a lot of crap thus far... and I wanna give a hand though to dealing with the hostility so professional and doing his best to satisfy everyone. I loved his event and I would hate for him to get discouraged and not produce it anymore!
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