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Do you oil your horses feet regularly?
barlracr429
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2015-03-06 8:30 PM
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If not, why not?

If you do, why? and what do you like to use?

Over the years my blacksmith has always been on me to oil. When life hasn't taken over and I actually ride regularly, I oil them 3, maybe 4 times a week and my blacksmith still tells me their feet are hard and dry. This past year 'life' has taken over and they were lucky to get oiled once or twice a month. My blacksmith is really complaining that it's like filing through concrete. I personally think their feet look better since I haven't been oiling them so much, but I also haven't been riding. When I ride regularly, their feet seem to chip really bad until I put shoes on. One mare has really bad feet and I keep her on Finish Line Feet First, but her one white hoof still has a spot that cracks and breaks off. Last Friday it cracked worse than it ever has. I was hoping to put shoes on her the next time he comes out but I don't think he will be able to, it broke off so bad.

So I don't know if I should oil or not and I'm not sure if the oil helps or not when they are barefoot and being rode. If it helps, I live in central Ohio.
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SaraJean
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2015-03-06 9:02 PM
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 I have never used any oils or lotion type products on my horses feet as I believe they are rather useless. All my horses are barefoot with strong healthy feet that do not chip or crack. 
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Nevertooold
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2015-03-06 9:15 PM
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I don't use any kind of oil or hoof conditioner..I feed their hooves from the inside.  
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RocketPilot
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2015-03-06 9:23 PM
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What do you feed? 
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barlracr429
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2015-03-06 10:00 PM
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When I was riding regularly they were getting ADM StayStrong, MoorGlo n Patriot 12%. they were on this combination for a few years n the blacksmith would tell me i wasn't oiling their feet when i was oiling multiple times a week. Since I haven't Been able to ride in the last year I stoped feeding the staystrong. In the last month my feed mill stopped carrying patriot n now has Tribute. So now they get Tribute 12% n Moorglo. I've been feeding the finish line feet first for over 2 years to the youngest mare with problem feet. I can tell a difference since I started feeding the feet first but I'm still having issues

the older mare, i honestly think her feet look better now that i stopped oiling but she is not being worked or ridden. Plus I think I'm just wasting a hundred dollars or more a year on oil.
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Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-03-07 12:01 AM
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barlracr429 - 2015-03-06 10:00 PM

When I was riding regularly they were getting ADM StayStrong, MoorGlo n Patriot 12%. they were on this combination for a few years n the blacksmith would tell me i wasn't oiling their feet when i was oiling multiple times a week. Since I haven't Been able to ride in the last year I stoped feeding the staystrong. In the last month my feed mill stopped carrying patriot n now has Tribute. So now they get Tribute 12% n Moorglo. I've been feeding the finish line feet first for over 2 years to the youngest mare with problem feet. I can tell a difference since I started feeding the feet first but I'm still having issues

the older mare, i honestly think her feet look better now that i stopped oiling but she is not being worked or ridden. Plus I think I'm just wasting a hundred dollars or more a year on oil.

Sounds to me like I might wonder about the farrier's advice to begin with if he can't even tell when you DO oil!
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Tailwind
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-03-07 10:18 AM
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I do oil occasionaly, but the best method I have found is to water down the area around the water  tank and also around their hay where they stand for a while and the moisture  can soak in      
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Longneck
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2015-03-07 11:51 AM
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 I did off an on during the end of last summer for my gelding who chips when he's rode consistently.  I took him to a podiatrist and he correctly trimmed his feet to help keep them from chipping.  He's not being rode, but so far so good on the chipping!  Now is about the time he'd start.  I told him that I was putting oil on his feet to try and help and he said that he never has been able to see much of a difference and he said that in this part of the country we actually needed less moisture.  Go figure!
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cavyrunsbarrels
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2015-03-07 1:10 PM
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 I have a jar of oil but I rarely use it. As stated before, healthy feet come from the inside out. I had one mare that was turned out in a big pasture with nothing but grass. Her hooves were gorgeous. The were dark, healthy and actually SHINY like she had polish on. They were just amazing and I didn't touch them. 
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mruggles
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2015-03-07 1:22 PM
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No I don't use anything and mine are all barefoot as well........M
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OregonBR
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2015-03-07 1:25 PM
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I read an article on FB put out by farriers that oil is actually not good for their feet.  You have to feed healthy feet with proper nutrition.   
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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2015-03-07 3:35 PM
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It sounds like she has an absorption issue, or not getting adequate nutrition.

My horses I don't have to oil, nor do I shoe and they don't chip unless I leave them too long. I feed 1/2-1 cup of flax daily plus a balanced feed with low NSC. Mine get free choice hay

If I get a horse that has shelly feet, I feed extra oil coconut, if I am riding the horse, canola if I am not (differing research saying canola oil is good or bad for inflammation), then I will feed the same as above.

If very malnourished, I will add red cell for a month.

If my healthy weight horses feet are not looking as good, I will look for symptoms of ulcers if they have any, I will treat for 30 days, then do another 30 days of probiotic to get the hind gut working at optimum level.

If no ulcer symptom and after the malnourished horse has been on the program for a month then I will add probiotics to his diet.

If the horses do have cracks and Shelly feet, I will use fish oil and apply on the cornet band. This was a recommendation from my vet. I use fish oil capsules use about 2 per foot.
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2015-03-07 4:03 PM
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We do not oil their feet. They seem to do fine. Healthy mineral levels are most important.
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Griz
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-03-09 5:46 AM
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I don't as often as I should. I figure if they oil them at the tracks daily, it's probably a good idea. I always use SuPer Hoof by Gateway.
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KylaKris
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2015-03-09 11:13 AM
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I have never oiled feet before. I recently starting feeding Flax and have noticed a big difference my the feet and coats. They are all barefoot and we try to keep them that way as long as possible. Towards the middle of the summer we may have to put shoes on. I also overflow my water tank so they stand in a bit of moisture when they drink. 
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Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2015-03-09 11:21 AM
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never have and never been asked to. Hoof health (and most all horse health) has a lot to do with your feeding program. I would evaluate that first. Have you spoken to your vet about this situation? How qualified is your Blacksmith?

I would also suggest that if you're still dealing with cracks and hard cruddy feet that oiling isn't helping you enough.
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hoofs_in_motion
Reg. Apr 2011
Posted 2015-03-09 11:25 AM
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no I do not oil 
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winwillows
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2015-03-09 12:54 PM
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I feel that proper hoof condition comes from proper nutrition. Balance the diet and you should see better feet without trying to drive condition into them from the outside.
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babiemox
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2015-03-09 1:15 PM
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Not unless there is a problem that needs to be fixed. When I lived in NV I did add a supplement to their grain to help their feet but now that I'm back in MT I don't. 
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barlracr429
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2015-03-11 10:53 AM
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Griz - 2015-03-09 6:46 AM

I don't as often as I should. I figure if they oil them at the tracks daily, it's probably a good idea. I always use SuPer Hoof by Gateway.

Thank you everybody for the comments. I am definietly re-evaulating my feed.

This is the first blacksmith we've ever used that was adament about oiling. I just linked it together. he grew up with parents who raised, trained and raced harness race horses. He's spent most of his life in the race horse barn. This may be why he's always asking me if I oil them. My previous blacksmith told me that oiling was a waste and the guy we used before that told us to add CocaSoya Oil to their feed for their feet.
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Griz
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-03-11 11:15 AM
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barlracr429 - 2015-03-11 10:53 AM

Griz - 2015-03-09 6:46 AM

I don't as often as I should. I figure if they oil them at the tracks daily, it's probably a good idea. I always use SuPer Hoof by Gateway.

Thank you everybody for the comments. I am definietly re-evaulating my feed.

This is the first blacksmith we've ever used that was adament about oiling. I just linked it together. he grew up with parents who raised, trained and raced harness race horses. He's spent most of his life in the race horse barn. This may be why he's always asking me if I oil them. My previous blacksmith told me that oiling was a waste and the guy we used before that told us to add CocaSoya Oil to their feed for their feet.

I think it matters a lot if you haven't had any rain. I don't do it when there's lot of moisture but I do in the middle of the summer when it's 100 degrees and the ground is like cement - then I can REALLY tell a difference and so can my shoer. Oh and I feed a complete feed - Renew Gold. My Ex was a farrier and he was on my CASE if I didn't oil - but he has a race track background too.
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Reg. Nov 2012
Posted 2015-03-11 12:24 PM
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We have an older horse that we put oil on her feet..... After a few months, there was a huge difference, but she is the only one we had to do that with.

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txbredbr
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2015-03-12 9:43 AM
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Random thoughts...

I don't oil.

I hade a farrier suggest putting water around the horse trough, but adding some clay, since all I had was sand, that way the moist dirt would stick on the hooves for a while.  Then, I've heard others say hooves going from moist to dry to moist to dry, isn't good either.

All my horses have different levels of toughness, thickness to their feet. They all are fed the same.

The first farrier I ever had that complained of the difficulty of trimming hard feet, suggested I let the horse stand in water/mud for 30 minutes to an hour before I had them shod to soften up.......of course, at the time, I would race home from work, load my horse and haul an hour to the farrier, and then drive straight to a barrel race, barely getting there in time, to run.  But when I can,  I figure that is not a bad idea to help the farrier out!   
 




 

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streakysox
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2015-03-12 10:53 AM
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I oil mine about every other day in the summer because the extremely dry dirt really pulls the moisture out of the hoof.
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Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2015-03-12 11:17 AM
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The old hoof that has grown out is dead horn like your nails.  You need to grow good healthy hoof from good nutrition like lots of quality protein.   
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Posted 2015-03-12 11:35 AM
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Hoof Dressings: What Studies Show
Hoof dressings aren't always what they're cracked up to be--at least not in the opinions of some experts. Ilka P. Wagner, DVM, owner of Equine Veterinary Services (Texas), and Susan Kempson, BSc, PhD, senior lecturer in Preclinical Veterinary Sciences in the Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies at the University of Edinburgh, have studied the efficacy of hoof dressings. Robert Sigafoos, Certified Journeyman Farrier, chief of farrier services and director of the Applied Polymer Research Laboratory at the University of Pennsylvania's School of Veterinary Medicine, bases his opinions (self-described as "subjective") on 28 years of experience.
Purpose of Dressings
Hoof dressings are promoted to remedy cracks, splits, moisture loss, and associated lameness. Says Wagner, "Hoof dressings are commercially (prepared) or homemade external hoof wall applications that are 'reputed' to be beneficial to the growth, metabolism, and overall health of the equine hoof wall. Many products make label claims that they encourage hoof wall growth, strength-en the wall matrix, and even go so far as saying they prevent laminitis. They are available at most feed stores as well as over the Internet to the horse owner."
There are three types of hoof wall dressings that claim to preserve moisture of the hoof wall. Wagner identifies them as:
  • Primarily petroleum oil-based--These are usually "gooey" or tarry products. Ingredients might include neatsfoot and/ or cod liver oil, pine tar, petroleum compounds, and/or turpentine.
  • Primarily lanolin-based--These are usually more the consistency of hand lotion. Ingredients might include lanolin, lactates, stearates, alcohols, and glycerin.
  • Primarily containing a drying agent--Ingredients might include acetone.
The question is, how well do they work?
Hoof Permeability
Sigafoos has used some hoof wall products principally to manage hairline cracks at the coronary band, a problem that is very common in Standardbreds. "I have had some success in using prescription dressings that contain antifungal agents and steroids to control fungal infections at the coronet," he says. Otherwise, he believes that hoof dressings are of "limited value" for acute or chronic hoof problems.
Kempson has investigated the effects of hoof dressings on hoof wall by examining the permeability barrier in the hoof capsule and factors that influence it. "This work started in the mid-1990s and is ongoing," she reports. "Before I could look at the effect of hoof dressings on the horn, I had to investigate the permeability barrier in the horn."
Just as there is a permeability barrier controlling passage of water and water-soluble materials into and out of the skin, so there is one in the hoof horn. To study this aspect of the hoof wall, Kempson used water-soluble tracers visible with both light microscopes and electron microscopes. "The tracers are small molecules that travel with the water into the horn," she explains. "If the water can get into the horn, then it could also get out! The water could either travel between the cells or through the horn cells, or a combination of both."
She took full-thickness blocks of horn from dorsal walls, soles, and frogs of feet obtained post-mortem. She compared good-quality horn with poor-quality horn (i.e., horn with cracks).
"In feet with good-quality horn, there was virtually no penetration of the tracers and water through the outer pigmented layer of the dorsal wall," Kempson found. "There was some penetration through the inner non-pigmented layer of the wall both through the intercellular spaces (between cells) and through the cells. This indicated differences in the permeability barrier between the inner and outer layers of the wall. In a normal hoof, the inner layer is not exposed to the environment and is therefore unlikely to lose or absorb water through this horn. There was more penetration of the tracer through the sole horn and even more through the frog horn, but this was still only limited to a few cell layers--five to eight cell layers in the sole, and 12-18 cell layers in the frog, which is less than one millimeter."
Her findings regarding poor-quality horn were quite different. In these walls, the water and tracer penetrated deep into the pigmented layer and spread through the intercellular spaces and into the non-pigmented horn.
As part of the study, Kempson also examined how environmental conditions could affect hoof wall integrity. "Having spent several years studying the effects of nutrition on the hoof capsule, it became clear that the environment was also having an influence on the integrity of the horn," she explains. Therefore, Kempson looked at the effects of feces, urine, hoof dressings, heat, cold, and water--the various elements to which horses' hooves could be exposed.
For two weeks, blocks of wall, sole, and frog were either left in the test solutions, heated to 98.6°F (37°C), chilled to 39.2°F (4°C), or left in water. Afterward, they were exposed to the water-soluble tracers.
"The results were surprising," Kempson says. "Heat, cold, and water had no effect on the permeability barrier. The sole and frog horn left in feces for two weeks disintegrated, and poor-quality wall horn was also badly affected. Good-quality wall horn was only marginally changed. Urine alone had little effect, but combining urine and feces had the same results as feces alone.
"My conclusion is that the horn has a built-in permeability barrier," she says. "As long as the horse has a well-balanced diet so that he can produce good-quality horn, leave the hoof horn to look after itself."
Hoof Dressing Research
Formalin is extensively used as a biological fixative for routine histology, preservation of cadavers, etc. It can also be used as a disinfectant because it kills bacteria. When Kempson applied dressings containing formalin to the hoof samples, there was no change in the permeability barrier of either good or bad horn samples.
"Formalin causes the horn to lose its plasticity, and it becomes brittle and more liable to crack," she states. "With horn of poor quality, the formalin-based dressings penetrated deeper into the horn than in the good quality feet. This meant that the micro cracks caused by the formalin extended farther into the tissue and this let water and other materials penetrate the horn. The damage caused by the formalin-based dressings was greatest in the sole."
Poor-quality horn treated with formalin thus becomes more susceptible to infectious and toxic agents, and therefore this chemical is best avoided.
The study also showed that hoof dressings containing solvents and tar-based components damaged poor-quality horn. In some cases, the intercellular lipids or fats were damaged, allowing water contained within the horn to evaporate, thus causing the horn to become dry and brittle. In very wet conditions, using these hoof dressings allows water into the horn, and the feet become very soft and weak.
"When these products were applied to poor-quality horn, the damage was magnified, and I could not get results from some of the tissues because they had disintegrated in the test solutions," she notes.
Good-quality horn was affected in the same way, but it took longer for the effects to be seen. "It was also clear that the majority of the dressings that horse owners applied to the hoof capsule did much more harm than good. Most are unaware of what they are doing to their horse's feet. They apply the dressings with the best of intentions, but more research needs to be done to clarify the situation."
Wagner participated in two separate hoof studies done at Texas A&M University. One in vitro (outside the body) study was to determine if hoof wall dressings could alter the hoof wall moisture content under controlled laboratory conditions. The second in vivo (in the living body) study looked at the ability of certain products to change the biomechanical ability of the hoof wall to withstand certain stresses.
Previous research showed a relationship between relative hydration of the hoof wall and its mechanical properties. Wagner says, "If the wall suffers from dehydration or overhydration, it will become more susceptible to developing cracks and splits."
Thus, Texas A&M University researchers sought to evaluate the relative efficacy of commercial hoof wall dressings in maintaining hoof wall hydration. Researchers took hoof wall samples from 10 clinically normal, sound horses within 24 hours after euthanasia (they weren't killed for this study). "We coated these samples with 15 different products, let them dry over 48 hours, and measured the samples at certain intervals," Wagner says. The products were either mainly oil-based, lanolin-based, or contained mostly acetone.
"We did calculations to determine sample moisture content changes to see if these products could maintain the moisture content that was already there or increase it," he says.
Data indicated that several products under ideal conditions could maintain hydration of the wall for 12 to 24 hours. Control samples without the dressing lost much more relative moisture. When the three groups were compared, those products maintaining the highest degree of relative hydration in the hoof wall at 24 hours were primarily the oil, pine tar, and petroleum-based products, says Wagner.
"However, that's not necessarily a good thing because you can over-moisturize the wall and make the wall less strong than it was to begin with," he says. "Too much can be bad. I think there are situations in which it is apparent that the hoof wall is exceptionally dry, but that could have been an adaptation to the environment and not necessarily a bad condition for the hoof."
Hoof wall achieves its maximal fracture toughness when relative hydration is maintained at approximately 70-75% moisture. However, studies are needed to evaluate the best hydration level. It's important to remember that environment will have a significant effect on hydration of the hoof.
The researchers warned that results shouldn't be directly extrapolated to living horses, as normal horse movement can physically remove the dressing from the hoof wall, thus reducing its efficacy.
"In addition, the internal environment of the horse's foot may contribute to maintenance of natural hoof wall moisture as well," Wagner notes. "Obviously, this was not a contributory factor in this study."
The second study in which Wagner took part examined whether commercial hoof dressings could affect hoof wall strength in live horses. This study used three selected products applied to the feet of five horses for 13 weeks--a different product for three hooves with the remaining hoof used as a control. These horses lived in normal conditions, being exposed to rainy and dry weather conditions. For 13 weeks, lanolin-based and petroleum-based products were applied twice daily, while the acetone-based dressing was applied once a week (per label recommendation).
"At the end of that period, we took strips of hoof wall samples to the engineering department to measure the strength of the hoof wall," he says. "A lot of products claim they can change the protein structure and strength of the hoof wall; none of them made any difference. They didn't show any kind of change in the elastic modulus (flexibility of the hoof wall)."
However, the study notes that it's "still possible that these products are affecting the wall, but only to a certain degree. They may be influencing the outer hoof wall, which may not be evident in this study due to the use of full-thickness wall samples."
In reflecting on the studies, Wagner says that hoof dressings "are often prescribed for conditions in which the hoof problem is more likely due to a genetic problem of poor hoof wall metabolism, growth, or matrix that simply cannot be changed."
Problem Hooves?
What should an owner do to prevent hoof problems from developing or to help treat existing hoof problems?
Keep hooves healthy with regular trimming and shoeing. Practice good management--i.e., don't keep your horse in soiled bedding or in hoof-drying muddy areas.
Adds Sigafoos, "Consult your farrier or veterinarian if you are concerned about your horse's hoof health. Usually if horses have the kind of foot that appears to need hoof dressing, something else is going on. The horse may have brittle feet due to a dietary problem, inadequate shoeing frequency, or excessive toe length." 
FURTHER READING
Briggs, K. Feeding the Feet. The Horse. Sept. 2000, 87-96. Article Quick Find #127 atwww.TheHorse.com.
5 TIPS: Proper Hoof Care
  1. A proper diet and hoof care program are the most important weapons against hoof problems.
  2. Hoof dressings don't seem to have much of an effect on good-quality feet, but can further damage poor feet.
  3. Poor conditions (i.e., muddy, dirty living conditions with lots of feces and urine) can further damage poor feet.
  4. Hoof wall achieves maximal fracture toughness when relative hydration stays at approximately 70-75% moisture.
  5. Hoof dressings with drying agents such as formalin decrease elasticity of the hoof wall, causing it to be more brittle.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Marcia King
Marcia King is an award-winning freelance writer based in Ohio who specializes in equine, canine, and feline veterinary topics. She's schooled in hunt seat, dressage, and Western pleasure.
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OregonBR
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Does your farrier rasp off the outside of the hoof capsule. If he does he's destroying the natural seal of the hoof to protect itself from the environment.  
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Posted 2015-03-12 12:06 PM
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I oil about once or twice a week .. I use farriers finish.
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