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| This is going around on Facebook. Jeff Makovy has his horses at a trainers, they came down with strangles and were not taking to a vet. One had to be put down and the DTF is still alive but is in bad shape. Here is the link to the pics and full story. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205434367434358&set=a.1852... |
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| Awful, don't know how she can look at that and not be bothered enough to do something. Glad he is posting her name. |
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| Hate to see something like this, there are no excuses...but I'd still like to hear her side of the story. |
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Location: The edge of no where | I'm sure there is another side to the story, but I don't know what it could be. Why in the world a trainer would allow horses this sick to stay at their place with other high dollar horses there in training? If the owners choose not to treat, I'd have sent their horses HOME!
She is going to D&D and was at the Patriot, I'd make sure to disinfect stalls extremely well at D&D. I know strangles is always a concern while traveling, but I'd take extra precautions.
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| I keep thinking there has to be another side, but I just don't know what that could be. Unbelievable!!! |
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Location: Kansas | judging just by the pictures....she'll be lucky if she ever has another outside horse come in for training. |
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| Whiteboy - 2015-03-09 12:22 PM Hate to see something like this, there are no excuses...but I'd still like to hear her side of the story. I can't imagine a side to her story for the horses to get in this condition. the owner is taking them to the vet now so not like he did not want to pay vet bills. I assume he is going off what she was telling him as to their condition.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I would like to hear her side of the story too, because those pictures look horrible. I thought they had ran through a fence and had strangles.
I, also, wonder about their vaccination status, because that sure is an argument for everyone that says don't vaccinate.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | the one horse had to be put down and the other(the dtf son) is hanging in so far....
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and its bad ownership to have a place that you know is infected with strangles and still bring in out side horses...dollar signs for eye balls
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| My horse came down with a case of the strangles last fall - Bastard strangles, so no nasal discharge. I caught it early and it was quite costly to treat. I had close to 10K in treatment over 3 weeks to get him right and then self quarantined for an additional almost 6 months (partly due to weather). I knew it could get bad so I treated - I also had the option to quit treating and euthanize. Horrible to let an animal suffer when it was a treatable condition. I also am pretty sure where I picked it up and will not be attending any shows at that facility in the near future. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I guess if someone wants to hear her side of the story you can go and friend her on facebook and ask. |
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| The part that really gets me is that she told the owners nothing about the condition and that everything is FINE and doing GREAT. So, there. She LIED. What a crying shame, those were two nice horses. |
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| awful - also she has been hauling we saw her at Andrews TX at jackpot and she was at the Patriot - If you have horses at home that are sick stay home and take care of them and don't expose EVERYONE else by hauling. I have no words for how I feel towards a trainer who does not take care of the animals we place in their care |
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| LabRat - 2015-03-09 12:43 PM
The part that really gets me is that she told the owners nothing about the condition and that everything is FINE and doing GREAT. So, there. She LIED. What a crying shame, those were two nice horses.
That's what gets me too. The owners would have been the first people I would have called. Not only for the safety of their horses but for the safety of the other horses in the barn. Strangles happen... even to people that take exceptional care, but how that women handled the situation(if it's true) is appalling! |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-03-09 12:50 PM
LabRat - 2015-03-09 12:43 PM
The part that really gets me is that she told the owners nothing about the condition and that everything is FINE and doing GREAT. So, there. She LIED. What a crying shame, those were two nice horses.
That's what gets me too. The owners would have been the first people I would have called. Not only for the safety of their horses but for the safety of the other horses in the barn. Strangles happen... even to people that take exceptional care, but how that women handled the situation (if it's true ) is appalling!
Exactly! Things happen, I understand. But open communication with the owner is priority! Whole thing sounds shady with the trainer if you ask me. |
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Location: North Dakota | My guess is she had the horses a couple months, did nothing with them. put their training off, they got sick, and she didn't want to admit to the owner she did not ride them yet, until asked about a video and then she had to fess up and by that time the horses were too far gone.
I had a horse that came in for training and ended up with a really snotty nose so I sent him home. I told the owner I could haul him to the vet or he could to get him checked but until they found out what he had for sure I did not want him in my barn to possibly get anyone else sick (he was their only horse so there was no worry of him getting any of their other horses sick). Luckily it was just allergies and nothing serious.
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| My colt at the reining trainer had a case of Strangles last fall. He did the right thing! Caught it early, let us know, and administered treatment there as to not infect other horses at my house. Now the colt is doing GREAT! Cant imagine a trainer not seeking treatment for ANY kind of illness. BLOWS MY MIND how irresponsible people can be with others' property. Praying the DTF colt makes it through. |
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| How about the fact she had them 2 months and had yet to ride them?? I bet the owners were still paying the same monthly amount that people were paying whose horses were being ridden. The whole deal sounds like a mess, if I had a horse with her right now, I would be making a trip to her place with my trailer. |
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| I just got mine back from 3 months of training, the trainer called me if my horse coughed or got a scratch and would send me pictures and ask if I wanted him to call a vet. He might have been over doing it the other direction, but after seeing this, I am so thankful he was that way and not the way this trainer is. |
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Location: Phoenix | Dear God....those pictures are terrible. My personal horse got bastard strangles and you couldn't really tell right off the bat. I think we dosed with high amounts of penecillin and even then the vet didn't think he'd live. Here's here to this day....but WHAT could her side of the story be?! To act like everything is ok?! It really makes you wonder! |
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Location: Crowder, OK | Would be interesting to see if this person shows face anytime soon. this is just absolutly shameful and disgusting. |
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| I found mine at a reputable trainers facility in a dry lot with the strangles! No vet was contacted and I was not contacted. The trainer was at Ft. Smith running some horses so I decided to go see my gelding....it was awful! He was in a dry lot outside and his had already busted. He was so thin and poor. And the sad thing is...just the week before I seen this trainer at a barrel race and I asked him how my gelding was doing? He said.." he is just fine"! He lied to my face. We took pics and called the state vet and I reported him. I wont disclose his name but if you pm me I will tell you who it is. I have no respect for him! My horse was in poor condition and a vet and myself should have been notified. My horse was also in contact with 4 other horses. It was a bad situation. My gelding was so depressed and weak. I cried for a long time after it happened. And this trainer has graced the cover of magazines! I feel so bad for these ppl and their horses...just heartbreaking =(
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-09 2:17 PM Holy crap
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | LRQHS - 2015-03-09 2:18 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-09 2:17 PM Holy crap
I was being nice for BHW, but I have other nasty words for someone like this, This person is a sorry peice of dog doo doo.  |
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Location: Beggs, OK | LRQHS - 2015-03-09 12:32 PM I would like to hear her side of the story too, because those pictures look horrible. I thought they had ran through a fence and had strangles. I, also, wonder about their vaccination status, because that sure is an argument for everyone that says don't vaccinate.
Those horses are going through Purpura, way worse than Strangles. You can let Strangles run it's course, Purpura needs treatment. That is an incredibly painful illness.
Those legs are so swollen that they have broken open and are seeping serum and blood. That is intolerable negligence and cruelty. The civil side of this may be expensive, but criminally the charges are not enough for this kind of abuse.
Here's an article that explains it well: http://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/horse/health/purpura-hemorrhagica/ |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | LRQHS - 2015-03-09 2:18 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-09 2:17 PM Holy crap
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rachellyn80 - 2015-03-09 2:28 PM
LRQHS - 2015-03-09 12:32 PM I would like to hear her side of the story too, because those pictures look horrible. I thought they had ran through a fence and had strangles. I, also, wonder about their vaccination status, because that sure is an argument for everyone that says don't vaccinate.
Those horses are going through Purpura, way worse than Strangles. You can let Strangles run it's course, Purpura needs treatment. That is an incredibly painful illness.
Those legs are so swollen that they have broken open and are seeping serum and blood. That is intolerable negligence and cruelty. The civil side of this may be expensive, but criminally the charges are not enough for this kind of abuse.
Here's an article that explains it well: http://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/horse/health/purpura-hemorrhagica/
Thanks for that. So, the purpura can come from the vaccination and following a case of strangles? Is that how I read it? There is no way that someone could look at that and not realize something needs to be done.......even if it's euthanize. |
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Location: Florida.. | you know dang well she knew the horse was suffering and in extreme Pain I dont sue but id be going after her to have her arrested for animal abuse and neglect and id make sure every body knew who it was . this is adsurd and a trainer to allow this to happen.. pathetic on her |
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| Well she is entered in Diamonds and Dirt. And has stalls. I would not want to be stalled next to her for anything!! Be interesting to see if she goes! |
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| I just went and looked to see if she was going - I dam sure don't want to be anywhere around her. The only place she should be going is to jail. She can tell the judge her side of the story. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | CarpeDiem - 2015-03-09 2:46 PM Well she is entered in Diamonds and Dirt. And has stalls. I would not want to be stalled next to her for anything!! Be interesting to see if she goes!
Purpura is not contagious. When traveling and competing you just need to be responsible and do all you can to care for your own horses and prevent what you can, sometimes stuff happens.
This situation is not acceptable no matter the excuse....but, educate yourself on diseases before you overreact. There are plenty of other people that skip out on vaccinations that will be there as well. |
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Location: Florida.. | I think she meant if her barn had strangles recently and now shes hauling... |
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| From what it reads they got Purpura after they contracted strangles. So strangles is still there. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | CarpeDiem - 2015-03-09 3:18 PM From what it reads they got Purpura after they contracted strangles. So strangles is still there.
I'm with you on this, I would not want me are my horses anywhere near this person are her horses. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-03-09 3:17 PM I think she meant if her barn had strangles recently and now shes hauling...
Thats the way I read this too. |
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Location: The edge of no where | rachellyn80 - 2015-03-09 3:14 PM CarpeDiem - 2015-03-09 2:46 PM Well she is entered in Diamonds and Dirt. And has stalls. I would not want to be stalled next to her for anything!! Be interesting to see if she goes! Purpura is not contagious. When traveling and competing you just need to be responsible and do all you can to care for your own horses and prevent what you can, sometimes stuff happens.
This situation is not acceptable no matter the excuse....but, educate yourself on diseases before you overreact. There are plenty of other people that skip out on vaccinations that will be there as well.
Very true. I alwasy disinfect stalls thoroughly before putting horses away.....maybe this will be a tough reminder to all of us to use caution. You might be stabled next to someone whose program has turned out some superstars, but do not let your guard down in assuming that their horses are healthy and things are great at home. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I read they had strangles first, that's where I was confused. I know what purpura is. I've seen it in humans, just never on a horse that bad. I've seen strangles too, just never that bad. He has a picture of the jaw busted open from the strangles. |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | rachellyn80 - 2015-03-09 3:14 PM CarpeDiem - 2015-03-09 2:46 PM Well she is entered in Diamonds and Dirt. And has stalls. I would not want to be stalled next to her for anything!! Be interesting to see if she goes! Purpura is not contagious. When traveling and competing you just need to be responsible and do all you can to care for your own horses and prevent what you can, sometimes stuff happens.
This situation is not acceptable no matter the excuse....but, educate yourself on diseases before you overreact. There are plenty of other people that skip out on vaccinations that will be there as well.
Purpura is a sequela to strangles so yes, those horses and other horses at her facility are likely infected with Strep equi and contagious. Not all will develop purpura, it is a very case by case immune mediated basis. But what initiated the purpura in the first place (strangles) is most definitely contagious.
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Location: Muskogee, OK | LRQHS - 2015-03-09 2:36 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-03-09 2:28 PM LRQHS - 2015-03-09 12:32 PM I would like to hear her side of the story too, because those pictures look horrible. I thought they had ran through a fence and had strangles. I, also, wonder about their vaccination status, because that sure is an argument for everyone that says don't vaccinate. Those horses are going through Purpura, way worse than Strangles. You can let Strangles run it's course, Purpura needs treatment. That is an incredibly painful illness.
Those legs are so swollen that they have broken open and are seeping serum and blood. That is intolerable negligence and cruelty. The civil side of this may be expensive, but criminally the charges are not enough for this kind of abuse.
Here's an article that explains it well: http://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/horse/health/purpura-hemorrhagica/ Thanks for that. So, the purpura can come from the vaccination and following a case of strangles? Is that how I read it? There is no way that someone could look at that and not realize something needs to be done.......even if it's euthanize.
It has never been fully proven that vaccination for Strangles can put horses at a higher risk for developing purpura but it is highly speculated. Purpura happens when antibody/antigen complexes deposit in the blood vessel walls, causing a vasculitis. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Appearantly her Dad is a horse trader/kill buyer. So there ya go. She was raised not valueing life and the ability to turn a blind eye. No excuse to not contact the owners in the first place so they could decide what course of action to take and there is no excuse to let these horses suffer like that, and that stall, was disgusting filthy! Talk about a h*ll hole. |
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Location: TX | In my opinion - I don't care what her side of the story is.. there's no justifying what these poor horses had to go through and what the poor horse that is still alive is going through now. To sit back and watch an animal suffer like this is sickening and unacceptable. She LIED to the owners, who I'm sure would have been more than happy to take these horses to the vet at the first signs of strangles. We are all horse owners and know how easy it is for a horse to catch. But she chose to ignore it and she deserves to suffer the consequences. I pray she never takes in another outside horse and I'm sure she won't be able to show her face for quite a while. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | We keep seeing things like this. What we all need to learn is to inspect the facility before sending, get references, frequent videos of your horses if they are off or frequent visits. I feel like the only way to try to protect ourselves is to be aggressive owners and share information on who not to use. It's a shame, but you can't trust anyone anymore. |
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| My horse had strangles and pupura and has never had a strangles vaccine. SO vaccination was not the reason for the strangles to be the "bastard" Type and for the purpura to develop.
I am seriously considering vaccinating for strangles this year and I never have. I always practice safe horsemanship. They never graze away from home, always take my own water, use only my buckets and disinfect stalls prior to use.
My horse was at the vets within 18 hours of becoming sick and he stayed for 3 weeks. He would have been there sooner, but my kids feed in the morning and he came in and ate. At dinner time, he nibbled his food and had swollen legs and of course a 105 fever.
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Location: Lala Land | scwebster - 2015-03-09 3:41 PM
Someone give me some tips on disinfecting/preparing rented stalls.
There was someone that posted a product you mix with water and spray the stalls down to sanitize, it was an alternative to using bleach and about $50 a gallon but you got a lot of uses out of that. For the life of me I cannot remember the product name. |
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Location: Kansas | LRQHS - 2015-03-09 2:44 PM We keep seeing things like this. What we all need to learn is to inspect the facility before sending, get references, frequent videos of your horses if they are off or frequent visits. I feel like the only way to try to protect ourselves is to be aggressive owners and share information on who not to use. It's a shame, but you can't trust anyone anymore.
Completely agree with this. I'd sure as heck want to know if someone had done something like this before sending one of mine to them. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Lovin Life - 2015-03-09 4:00 PM scwebster - 2015-03-09 3:41 PM Someone give me some tips on disinfecting/preparing rented stalls. There was someone that posted a product you mix with water and spray the stalls down to sanitize, it was an alternative to using bleach and about $50 a gallon but you got a lot of uses out of that. For the life of me I cannot remember the product name.
Thanks, that helps. It's $50 a gallon and not bleach. I'll google it :) |
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Lovin Life - 2015-03-09 4:00 PM scwebster - 2015-03-09 3:41 PM Someone give me some tips on disinfecting/preparing rented stalls. There was someone that posted a product you mix with water and spray the stalls down to sanitize, it was an alternative to using bleach and about $50 a gallon but you got a lot of uses out of that. For the life of me I cannot remember the product name.
Hey!! You be nice!! I am trying to find it...but not having any luck. I know a store here sells it... I'll go by on my way home. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Lovin Life - 2015-03-09 4:03 PM LRQHS - 2015-03-09 4:01 PM Lovin Life - 2015-03-09 4:00 PM scwebster - 2015-03-09 3:41 PM Someone give me some tips on disinfecting/preparing rented stalls. There was someone that posted a product you mix with water and spray the stalls down to sanitize, it was an alternative to using bleach and about $50 a gallon but you got a lot of uses out of that. For the life of me I cannot remember the product name. Hey!! You be nice!! I am trying to find it...but not having any luck. I know a store here sells it... I'll go by on my way home.
Oh boy, another clue! Thanks :) |
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its SynBioNt Ag Wash
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Location: Opelousas, LA | scwebster - 2015-03-09 3:41 PM Someone give me some tips on disinfecting/preparing rented stalls.
We move from track to track all the time and just use a 20% bleach solution in a sprayer. If there is caked poop on the walls we will scrub it off then bleach. Not really sure how much it helps because we still get sick horses, of course the track is kinda like horsey kindergarten and they get exposed to everything. |
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Location: Crowder, OK | To protect everyone's horses at the D&D, she should be asked to not attend and every horse that has been at her place or in her trailer should be in quarantine, but thats JMO...................... |
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| Tinkerbell - 2015-03-09 4:46 PM
To protect everyone's horses at the D&D, she should be asked to not attend and every horse that has been at her place or in her trailer should be in quarantine, but thats JMO......................
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Location: N Texas | Tinkerbell - 2015-03-09 4:46 PM
To protect everyone's horses at the D&D, she should be asked to not attend and every horse that has been at her place or in her trailer should be in quarantine, but thats JMO......................
That's all fine and good, but imagine how many people have horses in "infected" facilities that no one knows there's a problem yet? You just have to take measures to protect your own horse.
It's a tough situation for the producers...if they require proof that her particular horses aren't infected, shouldn't they require it of all horses? I'm not saying she should get away with this AT ALL, but I can see this being a huge headache for D&D.
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Tinkerbell - 2015-03-09 4:46 PM
To protect everyone's horses at the D&D, she should be asked to not attend and every horse that has been at her place or in her trailer should be in quarantine, but thats JMO......................
That's all fine and good, but imagine how many people have horses in "infected" facilities that no one knows there's a problem yet? You just have to take measures to protect your own horse.
It's a tough situation for the producers...if they require proof that her particular horses aren't infected, shouldn't they require it of all horses? I'm not saying she should get away with this AT ALL, but I can see this being a huge headache for D&D.
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | LRQHS - 2015-03-09 4:04 PM Lovin Life - 2015-03-09 4:03 PM LRQHS - 2015-03-09 4:01 PM Lovin Life - 2015-03-09 4:00 PM scwebster - 2015-03-09 3:41 PM Someone give me some tips on disinfecting/preparing rented stalls. There was someone that posted a product you mix with water and spray the stalls down to sanitize, it was an alternative to using bleach and about $50 a gallon but you got a lot of uses out of that. For the life of me I cannot remember the product name. Hey!! You be nice!! I am trying to find it...but not having any luck. I know a store here sells it... I'll go by on my way home.
When I dealt with strangles years ago, which did develop into pupura and was a nightmare to deal with, my vet recomended Nolvasan/chorhexadine for cleaning. http://www.drugs.com/vet/nolvasan-solution.html |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | SharonDugger - 2015-03-09 5:40 PM DDBHC had no problem telling some high school girls that had made some remarks on FB about wearing Magic Seats, that they were banned from entering. Don't see why asking someone who has horses infected with strangles in their barn to not compete would be any bigger of an issue. Also I believe that The Texas Horse Health Commission is in College Station. They should be notified.
So some High School girls were not allowed to enter the D&D because of comments made about using a magic seat? |
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Location: Oklahoma | Nevertooold - 2015-03-09 7:19 PM
SharonDugger - 2015-03-09 5:40 PM DDBHC had no problem telling some high school girls that had made some remarks on FB about wearing Magic Seats, that they were banned from entering. Don't see why asking someone who has horses infected with strangles in their barn to not compete would be any bigger of an issue. Also I believe that The Texas Horse Health Commission is in College Station. They should be notified.
So some High School girls were not allowed to enter the D&D because of comments made about using a magic seat?
If that's true then it's probably why Fallon went on her bullying rant and is going to be running in one. |
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Location: Up and over to the right | I believe it was about a young contestant at the American who wore a Magic Seat and was being made fun of - good for Fallon and D&D! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | ChasingCans04 - 2015-03-09 7:26 PM I believe it was about a young contestant at the American who wore a Magic Seat and was being made fun of - good for Fallon and D&D!
That's not the way I heard it. Too bad it's been deleted as it's all now he said she said. I'm for helmets and see no problem with magic seats but I do have a real problem with these young kids getting whipped around on horse's that they are over mounted on, makes me cringe. So since I said that will I get banned from running at a barrel race? |
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Location: Lala Land | Nevertooold - 2015-03-09 7:43 PM
ChasingCans04 - 2015-03-09 7:26 PM I believe it was about a young contestant at the American who wore a Magic Seat and was being made fun of - good for Fallon and D&D!
That's not the way I heard it. Too bad it's been deleted as it's all now he said she said. I'm for helmets and see no problem with magic seats but I do have a real problem with these young kids getting whipped around on horse's that they are over mounted on, makes me cringe. So since I said that will I get banned from running at a barrel race?
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Location: Where I am happiest | I dont want to get involved in the magic seat debate but I do have a question I have been pondering. Beings though I have never used one, or even personally looked at one close, I'm curious if a horse fell and the rider was using a magic seat, what then? Does it somehow release? |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-03-09 8:10 PM I dont want to get involved in the magic seat debate but I do have a question I have been pondering. Beings though I have never used one, or even personally looked at one close, I'm curious if a horse fell and the rider was using a magic seat, what then? Does it somehow release?
TC - I used one for two races with my rocket mare. I popped loose from it both times just from how hard she comes off the barrels. I can't imagine it being dangerous in a fall situation. |
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Location: Florida.. | lonely va barrelxr - 2015-03-09 9:19 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-09 8:10 PM I dont want to get involved in the magic seat debate but I do have a question I have been pondering. Beings though I have never used one, or even personally looked at one close, I'm curious if a horse fell and the rider was using a magic seat, what then? Does it somehow release?
TC - I used one for two races with my rocket mare. I popped loose from it both times just from how hard she comes off the barrels. I can't imagine it being dangerous in a fall situation.
That may be true for adults.. I do not see a small 50lb child being able to pop it loose . I absolutely feel these things were not designed to stick a tiny child on ahuge powerful horse and kick.. to assist yes.. but there is a fine line in parents responsibilites here.. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-03-09 9:06 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-03-09 9:19 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-09 8:10 PM I dont want to get involved in the magic seat debate but I do have a question I have been pondering. Beings though I have never used one, or even personally looked at one close, I'm curious if a horse fell and the rider was using a magic seat, what then? Does it somehow release?
TC - I used one for two races with my rocket mare. I popped loose from it both times just from how hard she comes off the barrels. I can't imagine it being dangerous in a fall situation.
Amen and from what I understand...that was pretty much the discussion on magic seats that FT jumped on the band wagon about. I would love to read what actually was said and done as what was told to me it was pretty much an over reaction on FT's part and some of the bullying came from her end. So what is the real truth?
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | I hope people that have horses at her facility go check them out, hopefully someone is telling them or they see this. This could be said about anyone that has a horse at a trainer though. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-03-09 9:14 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-03-09 9:06 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-03-09 9:19 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-09 8:10 PM I dont want to get involved in the magic seat debate but I do have a question I have been pondering. Beings though I have never used one, or even personally looked at one close, I'm curious if a horse fell and the rider was using a magic seat, what then? Does it somehow release?
TC - I used one for two races with my rocket mare. I popped loose from it both times just from how hard she comes off the barrels. I can't imagine it being dangerous in a fall situation.
If I remember right it was about a teen that took her own life from being bullyed about using a magie seat. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-09 9:18 PM Nevertooold - 2015-03-09 9:14 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-03-09 9:06 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-03-09 9:19 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-09 8:10 PM I dont want to get involved in the magic seat debate but I do have a question I have been pondering. Beings though I have never used one, or even personally looked at one close, I'm curious if a horse fell and the rider was using a magic seat, what then? Does it somehow release?
TC - I used one for two races with my rocket mare. I popped loose from it both times just from how hard she comes off the barrels. I can't imagine it being dangerous in a fall situation.
This is what FT posted....The girl who took her life was not being bullied about the Magic Seat.........
This gorgeous young lady took her own life this week after bullies were relentlessly attacking her. As an adult...I take plenty of heat daily online....I WILL NOT stand by while kids and adults bully kids and adults. I fly my freak flag hoping that I will catch all the heat from the haters...but that isn't enough!!! A different young lady at the American caught heat for wearing a protective velcro seat while she competed....I will be competing in one at Diamonds & Dirt Barrel... Horse Classic to stand in alliance with this young lady and all others that take criticism for their choices to help try and make a difference. I will be doing more...but for those of you that think its ok to bash people online thinking your small circle of friends won't be affected.....they will be and its costing us lives! If I had to guess....the people doing the bashing are the most sad, unconfident, least brave among us and simply need a hug and a real friend to rely on. If your friends jump on your bashing bandwagon....you don't have friends...you have people around you that will help bash you when you decide to move on from that relationship. I was bullied in school....my father was bullied in school....my sister was teased in school.....it has to stop somewhere! I was made fun of for how smart I was...because I was into horses...and because of my eclectic taste in clothes....UMMMMMMM guess what made me a rodeo celebrity......being smart....loving horses....and eclectic taste in clothes!!!!! Not everyone is average....some people are unique..different....innovative...guess what!?! Those people can CHANGE THE WORLD WE LIVE IN!!! Now that we have lost one of these amazingly unique individuals...again...to cyber bullying I beg you to not just watch but report them..stop them...get them blocked! |
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Location: In my own world | A girl took her life over cyber bullying. Fallon made a post about that. The girl didn't even ride. Fallon mentioned in the same post that someone at the American was made fun of for wearing something to help her stay seated. She didn't mention magic seat in particular. But Fallon mostly meant she was standing up for everyone and wants to take the heat for others. I have no idea who wore the thing at the American. Amberley was strapped in but duh she has to be. And if someone was making fun of her then they are a low life piece of scum. That is just wrong. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2015-03-09 9:35 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-09 9:18 PM Nevertooold - 2015-03-09 9:14 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-03-09 9:06 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-03-09 9:19 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-09 8:10 PM I dont want to get involved in the magic seat debate but I do have a question I have been pondering. Beings though I have never used one, or even personally looked at one close, I'm curious if a horse fell and the rider was using a magic seat, what then? Does it somehow release?
TC - I used one for two races with my rocket mare. I popped loose from it both times just from how hard she comes off the barrels. I can't imagine it being dangerous in a fall situation.
This gorgeous young lady took her own life this week after bullies were relentlessly attacking her. As an adult...I take plenty of heat daily online....I WILL NOT stand by while kids and adults bully kids and adults. I fly my freak flag hoping that I will catch all the heat from the haters...but that isn't enough!!! A different young lady at the American caught heat for wearing a protective velcro seat while she competed....I will be competing in one at Diamonds & Dirt Barrel... Horse Classic to stand in alliance with this young lady and all others that take criticism for their choices to help try and make a difference. I will be doing more...but for those of you that think its ok to bash people online thinking your small circle of friends won't be affected.....they will be and its costing us lives! If I had to guess....the people doing the bashing are the most sad, unconfident, least brave among us and simply need a hug and a real friend to rely on. If your friends jump on your bashing bandwagon....you don't have friends...you have people around you that will help bash you when you decide to move on from that relationship. I was bullied in school....my father was bullied in school....my sister was teased in school.....it has to stop somewhere! I was made fun of for how smart I was...because I was into horses...and because of my eclectic taste in clothes....UMMMMMMM guess what made me a rodeo celebrity......being smart....loving horses....and eclectic taste in clothes!!!!! Not everyone is average....some people are unique..different....innovative...guess what!?! Those people can CHANGE THE WORLD WE LIVE IN!!! Now that we have lost one of these amazingly unique individuals...again...to cyber bullying I beg you to not just watch but report them..stop them...get them blocked!
Oh I'm sorry, Thanks for posting this. I only read it once and knew it had something to do with Bullys and the magic seat. |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | Fallon Taylor said all that? She's really great.
About the horse, I wouldn't expect much more from a kill buyer's daughter. Who has taught this person empathy? No one obviously. |
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Location: Texas | How this person treated these horses is inexcusable. As someone who's father was also a horse trader and a killer buyer, I can personally tell you that her fathers profession had nothing to do with how she treated these horses, how she was raised had everything to do with it, it is called responsibility. Judging people on one criteria only serves to prove that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. That is like saying that all children of lawyers are slimy and sleezy. |
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | If I found one of my horses like that at a trainers....let's just say I'd need bail money ya'll . |
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| I'd like to hear the other side of the story. However, I can't imagine ANY reasonable excuse for letting these animals suffer like this. On Facebook someone defended the trainer and her family, blamed the owner for not vaccinating. I'm sure there are multiple people, barn help, family members, saw these horses in this condition and no one did anything to help them it appears. I've only taken in a few outside horses but I ALWAYS keep in contact with owner. I constantly send updates, pics or videos and if they so much as get a scratch I'm all over it. I do this for them and to protect myself from fraudulent claims of oh they didn't communicate, ride, take care of etc...with all our electronic devices and ability to send via text or email there's absolutely no reason not to....unless you have something to hide
I was just discussing the strangles vaccine with my vet on Saturday and he advised against it for my horses bc they're older (4-14 yrs) and the risk of developing purpura vs. the benefits of vaccine was a concern. Only in cases of outbreaks did he reccommend it for them. My friends horse (7yrs old) did get purpura last spring from the vaccine. It was very painful for him but fortunately he got treatment early. |
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| NJJ - 2015-03-09 10:35 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-09 9:18 PM Nevertooold - 2015-03-09 9:14 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-03-09 9:06 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-03-09 9:19 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-09 8:10 PM I dont want to get involved in the magic seat debate but I do have a question I have been pondering. Beings though I have never used one, or even personally looked at one close, I'm curious if a horse fell and the rider was using a magic seat, what then? Does it somehow release?
TC - I used one for two races with my rocket mare. I popped loose from it both times just from how hard she comes off the barrels. I can't imagine it being dangerous in a fall situation.
This gorgeous young lady took her own life this week after bullies were relentlessly attacking her. As an adult...I take plenty of heat daily online....I WILL NOT stand by while kids and adults bully kids and adults. I fly my freak flag hoping that I will catch all the heat from the haters...but that isn't enough!!! A different young lady at the American caught heat for wearing a protective velcro seat while she competed....I will be competing in one at Diamonds & Dirt Barrel... Horse Classic to stand in alliance with this young lady and all others that take criticism for their choices to help try and make a difference. I will be doing more...but for those of you that think its ok to bash people online thinking your small circle of friends won't be affected.....they will be and its costing us lives! If I had to guess....the people doing the bashing are the most sad, unconfident, least brave among us and simply need a hug and a real friend to rely on. If your friends jump on your bashing bandwagon....you don't have friends...you have people around you that will help bash you when you decide to move on from that relationship. I was bullied in school....my father was bullied in school....my sister was teased in school.....it has to stop somewhere! I was made fun of for how smart I was...because I was into horses...and because of my eclectic taste in clothes....UMMMMMMM guess what made me a rodeo celebrity......being smart....loving horses....and eclectic taste in clothes!!!!! Not everyone is average....some people are unique..different....innovative...guess what!?! Those people can CHANGE THE WORLD WE LIVE IN!!! Now that we have lost one of these amazingly unique individuals...again...to cyber bullying I beg you to not just watch but report them..stop them...get them blocked!
Yeah it has nothing to do with the whole S. Ranch /team T /girls picking on AC debate in which bullying went both ways.
All of that was deleted from fb about banning them anyway once they all came to their senses and realized they were bullying back. Its awful ppl think FT was jumping in with that gang and comparing the death of a teen to that magic seat at the American fiasco SMH
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Location: Texas | Blaming this mess on the owner because they didn't vaccinate doesn't fly. She still had a responsibility to contact the owner and let them know and let them make the decision on whether to get vet care or not. That was not her decision to make. And shame on her or anyone else to try to blame the owners for this.
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| Agreed. I was floored and outraged when I saw it. I shouldn't have responded but I did LOL |
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| Ditto. What if the horse sustained an injury while in her care, would she call then?? Not much difference once the injury/illness is present. A decent person would contact the owner. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-03-10 7:54 AM
Ditto. What if the horse sustained an injury while in her care, would she call then?? Not much difference once the injury/illness is present. A decent person would contact the owner.
I agree....a decent person would. In my case I was not contacted and found my horse in a sick condition and a poor one at that. Seeing the trainer just the week before at a barrel race and looking my in the eye and saying.."your horse is doing fine"! that is just being a bald face liar and hiding that my horse was very sick. A week after I picked him up the trainer had the balls (literally) to send me a bill! IMO why would you want to hear HER side of the story? I feel it is cut and dried! Just like my ordeal. |
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| I don't know why and it DOESN'T matter but it's so hard for me to fathom doing nothing to help these poor babies bc I couldn't not help them even if I just saw them briefly. I'm guessing there was barn help, other people who saw and did NOTHING. It's just so sad.
There's a well known breeding facility near me with a multi million dollar producing stud. Owner is or was on TQHA board. Studs pictures on the website show a beautiful creature, I mean gorgeous. I saw him in person (by accident, they kept him in back barn, hidden) he was emaciated and looked like a poster child for the humane society. His breeding fee is $3000. I called a friend at sheriffs office and made anonymous tip. They went out and did a well check. Animal control officer was livid! Horse was weak, emaciated and suffering from serious laminitis, and had terrible shoe boils. Unfortunately, the vet was there (collecting) and said animal was under his care so there was NOTHING the she could do. She asked the owner how long he planned on breeding him like this and his response was, "As long as he produces or drops dead." He is only 13. |
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Location: Mi | Bibliafarm - 2015-03-09 10:06 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-03-09 9:19 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-09 8:10 PM I dont want to get involved in the magic seat debate but I do have a question I have been pondering. Beings though I have never used one, or even personally looked at one close, I'm curious if a horse fell and the rider was using a magic seat, what then? Does it somehow release?
TC - I used one for two races with my rocket mare. I popped loose from it both times just from how hard she comes off the barrels. I can't imagine it being dangerous in a fall situation.
My niece used one on my old gelding, he wasn't big and powerful buy any means, he was 27 yrs old and she was 7 and very small for her age, she rode at home without it all the time, we just made her use it when she ran. He slipped one day with her and fell down, he wasn't going fast a slow lope, she popped right lose and she was maybe 40# soaking wet. She didn't have to do anything, it just popped. |
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Location: Florida.. | Ahmac - 2015-03-10 10:09 AM
Bibliafarm - 2015-03-09 10:06 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-03-09 9:19 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-03-09 8:10 PM I dont want to get involved in the magic seat debate but I do have a question I have been pondering. Beings though I have never used one, or even personally looked at one close, I'm curious if a horse fell and the rider was using a magic seat, what then? Does it somehow release?
TC - I used one for two races with my rocket mare. I popped loose from it both times just from how hard she comes off the barrels. I can't imagine it being dangerous in a fall situation.
that's good. I think we all know some parents though that abuse them |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Saw this last night. Only saw one picture last night tho...
I will be looking for her and warning friends who are attending the same barrel races. You can guarentee my friends are vocal enough to make a big deal out of her being there with horses that are potentially sick. I would be tentative to say anything to the producers lol but my friends won't be! I know for a fact when my friend finds out she will be at D&D she will raise all kinds of cane... Poor horses  |
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| Looks like her stalls at D&D are by Jackie Jatzlau & Tammy Fischer. |
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This threads original intent has gone a different direction. Please keep your communications through private message or FB. Thank you. |
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Has anyone else saw this? Horses at trainers with strangles not cared for?