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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Yes it needs to be done and not only on the futurity babies. It would change all major races. But legal drugs given properly under vet care are okay. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Whiteboy - 2015-03-09 3:46 PM
mruggles - 2015-03-09 3:42 PM i think testing should be done for the nasty stuff but leave banamine and bute and lasix and dex and stuff along this line alone...........
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I guess that might be the hard thing...to draw the line. Anybody know where the line is on racehorses?
Some of the stuff on race horses isn't so much what the drug is, but how much.
Just a math example here, you can only give 2 cc of lasix instead of 6 cc.
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Location: Where I am happiest | LRQHS - 2015-03-09 3:49 PM Define drugs. "Drugs" are usually defined as anything that will alter a horses state of mind, performance enhancing or alter his way of going. There are 3 different "classes" of drugs. At the track, there is a threshold of bute or banamine allowed but they can not exceed that threshold. Lasix is the same and these horses are on the stewards list.
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Location: OH | LRQHS - 2015-03-09 4:49 PM Define drugs.
In the TB world it is anything that is performanve enhancing. You cannot even use Penicillan. |
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there are a few things out there................just do some digging and reading, its eye opening
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | mruggles - 2015-03-09 4:11 PM i had a horse that had to be on a steroid, it was for his partially paralyzed flapper...so i would have been banned..............lol
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chasincansMN - 2015-03-10 3:03 PM Mighty Broke - 2015-03-09 3:57 PM This has been brought up before---what do people think that these TOP trainers are using that would change things so much ?????? My thoughts too...
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Mighty Broke - 2015-03-09 3:57 PM This has been brought up before---what do people think that these TOP trainers are using that would change things so much ??????
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I don't think the biggest issue is WHAT, but more so HOW MUCH is being used. Proper dosages of safe substances are just fine in my book when used as directed by a veterinarian. |
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Horse drug testing gets to involved with drugs that horses really need, such as bute and banamine at normal doses. It's never going to be an even playing field, someone elses horse is always going to be more athletic or bred better. Are you gonna test for that too?
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Location: OH | Personally, I think the drug speculation in the futurity world is overblown and gives people ANOTHER excuse for why they were outrun. I know several of the top trainers and someone may see them giving B12 and think they are drugging. I was told specifically that it is hard enough to get the futurity horses to focus, much less if you jack them up. |
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| Mighty Broke - 2015-03-09 5:40 PM
Personally, I think the drug speculation in the futurity world is overblown and gives people ANOTHER excuse for why they were outrun. I know several of the top trainers and someone may see them giving B12 and think they are drugging. I was told specifically that it is hard enough to get the futurity horses to focus, much less if you jack them up.
I could not agree more with your last sentence. I have been playing the futurity game for the last 15 years and have had success at it. The last thing I want to do to my horses is hype them up on anything. It is to darn hard to keep them clam in the first place. |
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Location: OH | I know all about the blocking and was involved in the TB industry I just dont see it in the futurity industry to the extent people think because of the young horses. I would be more worried about it in the events where you have the older horse that has been hauled down the road for years. The American for example, this would be a good place for them to set the standard. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | SKM - 2015-03-09 6:01 PM
I'm sort of shocked and saddened by how naive people truly are when it comes to drug use. There's a lot more to drug use than just calming one down or hopping them up. How about the unsound ones that are simply blocked as just one example?
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| Mighty Broke - 2015-03-09 3:57 PM
This has been brought up before---what do people think that these TOP trainers are using that would change things so much ??????
Because they think that's why they aren't competitive! It has nothing to do with talent or ability, it must be drugs that are getting them beat!! |
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Location: South Central Florida | I dont really like the testing thing....well I dont mind testing, but its the stuff that is legal and normal that bugs me. If performancing enhancing is the issue, what about Adequan...stuff like that? If that is not preformance enhancing, why use it? Technically. EVERYTHING could be said to do that. I dont mind testing for illegal stuff. but its already illegal! Like cocaine, speed stuff, frog juice? (?) But there is always an argument as to "what" is okay. There have been people arguing strongly that if a horse needs bute...it should not run. UGH...I think things like that should be up to the owner and vet. But like everything...it can be taken too far. I have been hearing about how the big shots drug...they did it in the WPRA and I dont think the landscape changed all that much. |
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Location: MD | It is always a slippery slope when it comes to drug testing in our world. Are there trainers who will give one Adrenaline and then administer Guanabenz to get them to focus, sure. Are there a lot of up and comers who are giving drugs that they've heard certain pros use, without really knowing the ins and outs of those drugs? You bet your bippy! That's what scares me! Sure, the hopping, blocking and doping can get bad, but the folks who are blindly administering drugs without knowing their effects and possible contradictions is the worst part of it.
There are definitely people in this industry who make a whole ton of money administering meds to some of the top horses going down the road. There is a reason that we all joke that the new owners of a very high dollar horse must have bought the horse, but not the recipe. I do feel though, that some people do probably think that far more of the people who are winning are doing so because of a needle than actually are. I am currently hauling three horses that require pre race injectibles. Two are Lasix users and the other requires Dantrolene. I sure get some funny looks and comments when 3 out of 4 horses on my trailer and the 2 nicest all receive injections. I'm happy to explain to anyone who asks, but I also enjoy laughing at the rumors! |
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mruggles - 2015-03-09 3:42 PM i think testing should be done for the nasty stuff but leave banamine and bute and lasix and dex and stuff along this line alone...........
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I guess that might be the hard thing...to draw the line. Anybody know where the line is on racehorses?
Some of the stuff on race horses isn't so much what the drug is, but how much.
Just a math example here, you can only give 2 cc of lasix instead of 6 cc.
Other drugs, like frog juice, are banned entirely.
I want to be able to give my barrel horse ulcer guard the day OF the event. I think race rules are sometimes a little too strict. |
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Location: California | I'm curious, what are the drugs and how much is given that people are saying top winners use? I've really only heard of legend, adequan, pentosan, bute and banamine. I'm just really naive I suppose.
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Location: Texas | I look at drugs as a tool for the horses. The most any futurity trainer is using a mild calming drug if anything. Personally I think it is way more humane to give a horse 1/2 cc of ace to help ANY horse, not just futurity horses keep calm under very nervous conditions. THAN to lope a horse for hours like cutters do. What most don't understand is if you do give a horse a little something to help them control their nerves most of the time the next trip they won't think it's a big deal so they just progress and don't need anything. The futurity world is a great group of very talented people and trainers that take EXCELLENT care of their horses. These horses are prepped to go on and be solid horses for years to come. As far as what I know of the people in the futurity world drugs are not much of a part of it. |
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I currently compete in a sport that tests...and the list of prohibited compounds is VERY lengthy. Almost none of what has been listed here would be allowed. Distance CTR is a "Cavalry based" sport that seeks to reward and identify horses that are ideally suited to covering longer distances over multiple days and stay sound and in good condition. So...I get why bute, banamine, ace, any and all anti-inflammatories etc would not be allowed.
That being said. A horse running for a short period is still clearly working hard..however you are not miles and miles away from camp and exerting them over a long period of time. You can do more in that situation to monitor and keep the horse cool and comfortable. Something I'm sure you all know about Ace in particular is that it drops blood pressure and messes with a horse's ability to regulate their body temperature. That can be a big problem on a hot day at a barrel race...particularly if the horse doesn't drink well.
The argument against these compounds is that they are "Performance Enhancing". Well...so much of what we do to prepare for a race is designed to do exactly that. Shoes no shoes, boots, the best bit, saddle, feed, supplements etc. THAT aspect of "drug use" isn't what bothers me. What DOES bother me is when a horse is in pain...and they continue to compete it and manage to do so by giving bute, blocking or other things. Often the horse is still hurting while running....and if they are not addressing the cause of the pain...well...I don't think horses just have a "Bute Deficiency". They can make things worse.
If the owner and vet are working together to help the horse...that's great. When an owner just starts medicating what they THINK is the problem...or when folks give crazy and clearly bad things just to get an edge... THAT is a bad deal for the horse.
And...as others have said...the testing does factor into the cost of the entry in NATRC. We pay a small testing fee for each ride entry. Tests are unannounced and random. Although I believe in California...all are tested and it's mandatory.
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Yes they get bute, banamine, and ketofen, do you not take a Tylenol or ibuprofen? Also I know some men who should be on welfare but they take small doses of stronger pain killers and go to work and feed their families everyday.
Some horses just like kids require meds to focus. Would take those meds away from an ADA kid?
Horses are property people, owners and trainers can do what they like with them IF they are both on the same page.
Make drug testing rules for the futurities you will just have some ppl get more sneaky, just like in the track world.
Futurity entry fees are high enough as it is and IF you have enough money to pay off the race producer you can drug all you want while the little man who works for a living and gives their horse some bute gets caught.
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Location: Online | I'm all for it to an extent. Anti inflammitories like bute and banamine are fine as long as they are within the suggested dosage. Drugs like clenbuterol is fine as long as it is used for it's intended purpose.... Slippery slope... I know.
What I have a problem with is sedative drugs like Ace and Chlorpromazine (sp) and the other one I can't think of the name. I think those are a short cut to proper training. Some in the futurity world are in such a hurry to get results with these babies that it's too easy to drug them to calm them down and help them focus. I was at a futurity years ago where a girl was bragging about how much Chlorpromazine she was giving her horse. I about fell off mine. She needed to give her horse an overdose just to get him to work.
If a horse needs these calming drugs to make a run then maybe that's a sign that they need more time to mature and take things slower. I know a lot of people don't agree with me because the money and glory is in futurities and that's all they care about, but training a successful barrel horse is a marathon, not a sprint. They shouldn't need pharmaceutical help. |
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| *almost there* - 2015-03-09 10:41 PM
I'm curious, what are the drugs and how much is given that people are saying top winners use? I've really only heard of legend, adequan, pentosan, bute and banamine. I'm just really naive I suppose.
If they are winning on it and have the concoction correct...they are not going to share.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | astreakinchic - 2015-03-10 8:26 AM Yes they get blocked b4 they go through the gate. So do some professional athletes. Yes they get bute, banamine, and ketofen, do you not take a Tylenol or ibuprofen? Also I know some men who should be on welfare but they take small doses of stronger pain killers and go to work and feed their families everyday. Some horses just like kids require meds to focus. Would take those meds away from an ADA kid? Horses are property people, owners and trainers can do what they like with them IF they are both on the same page. Make drug testing rules for the futurities you will just have some ppl get more sneaky, just like in the track world. Futurity entry fees are high enough as it is and IF you have enough money to pay off the race producer you can drug all you want while the little man who works for a living and gives their horse some bute gets caught.
Exactly, they banned Winstrol and Equipoise in racing so people just started abusing Clenbuterol. Ban Clenbuterol and you will have a pretty sharp increase in people using Paylean and Zilmax. People that want to dope thier horses will dope thier horses and will find ways of getting around the testing.
We run against trainers that have multiple bad tests all the time. They got caught, so what, they still run and still have plenty of clients who are well aware of the bad tests. Not sure if it is worth the cost of testing in the barrel futurity world because I don't think any of the penalties will affect anyone caught and the cost will hurt the little guy more than anything.
In racing, the rider on a doped horse and the other riders in the race are unaware of what a horse has been given. A compromised horse can injure or kill any other horse or rider on the track so despite its downfalls, testing is needed. Not so sure about the barrel horses since the one riding should be aware of what the horse has been given and they will be the only ones in the arena making a run.
If you don't want to run against possibly drugged horses, then don't enter. I bet the ones winning are using a whole lot less than the ones that aren't winning anyways. Drugs alone can not beat a happy, talented horse that loves his job.
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I'm curious, what are the drugs and how much is given that people are saying top winners use? I've really only heard of legend, adequan, pentosan, bute and banamine. I'm just really naive I suppose.
they wont tell you that because then you might use it and beat them. the ones who have the concoction correct are not going to share.
LOL!!
Same as the race track honey you can get pig juice if you want and your pockets are deep enough. I know very few with the guts to do this though because futurity horses are extremely costly by the time they get entered and most good ones are not worth the risk of them having adverse effects or dying.
Adrenaline, ritalin, and adderall...even vodka. Viagra can be used as well (yupp! but be careful on the boys whether it b stud or gelding)
Jugg with DMSO and they won't feel a thing.
I do not condone!! I repeat I do NOT condone. These drugs are the problem drugs BUT I feel like horses are property and people can do with them as they wish. Now if their wishes are unethical it is their cross to bear and I feel like no one has a right to tell them what to do with their property.
In my opinion these are the only ones that can be considered abused drugs/practices. Blocking can be abuse to an extent but if you've got 5k tied up in an entry fee (plus the cost of going, staying, paying the rider etc. It can equal up to another 3k in a hurry depending on your location) and you wanna block for one run i'm not entirely opposed to doing this flame away.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | astreakinchic - 2015-03-10 2:09 PM TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-10 2:32 PM *almost there* - 2015-03-09 10:41 PM
I'm curious, what are the drugs and how much is given that people are saying top winners use? I've really only heard of legend, adequan, pentosan, bute and banamine. I'm just really naive I suppose. they wont tell you that because then you might use it and beat them. the ones who have the concoction correct are not going to share. LOL!! Same as the race track honey you can get pig juice if you want and your pockets are deep enough. I know very few with the guts to do this though because futurity horses are extremely costly by the time they get entered and most good ones are not worth the risk of them having adverse effects or dying. Adrenaline, ritalin, and adderall...even vodka. Viagra can be used as well (yupp! but be careful on the boys whether it b stud or gelding ) Jugg with DMSO and they won't feel a thing. I do not condone!! I repeat I do NOT condone. These drugs are the problem drugs BUT I feel like horses are property and people can do with them as they wish. Now if their wishes are unethical it is their cross to bear and I feel like no one has a right to tell them what to do with their property. In my opinion these are the only ones that can be considered abused drugs/practices. Blocking can be abuse to an extent but if you've got 5k tied up in an entry fee (plus the cost of going, staying, paying the rider etc. It can equal up to another 3k in a hurry depending on your location ) and you wanna block for one run i'm not entirely opposed to doing this flame away.
You know...that statement may have not been intended the way it sounded to me. At least I hope not. Whether or not you support doping...or testing...I do hope you don't think it's fine for there to be outright abuse/suffering caused to animals...property or not.
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astreakinchic - 2015-03-10 2:09 PM TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-10 2:32 PM *almost there* - 2015-03-09 10:41 PM
I'm curious, what are the drugs and how much is given that people are saying top winners use? I've really only heard of legend, adequan, pentosan, bute and banamine. I'm just really naive I suppose. they wont tell you that because then you might use it and beat them. the ones who have the concoction correct are not going to share. LOL!! Same as the race track honey you can get pig juice if you want and your pockets are deep enough. I know very few with the guts to do this though because futurity horses are extremely costly by the time they get entered and most good ones are not worth the risk of them having adverse effects or dying. Adrenaline, ritalin, and adderall...even vodka. Viagra can be used as well (yupp! but be careful on the boys whether it b stud or gelding ) Jugg with DMSO and they won't feel a thing. I do not condone!! I repeat I do NOT condone. These drugs are the problem drugs BUT I feel like horses are property and people can do with them as they wish. Now if their wishes are unethical it is their cross to bear and I feel like no one has a right to tell them what to do with their property. In my opinion these are the only ones that can be considered abused drugs/practices. Blocking can be abuse to an extent but if you've got 5k tied up in an entry fee (plus the cost of going, staying, paying the rider etc. It can equal up to another 3k in a hurry depending on your location ) and you wanna block for one run i'm not entirely opposed to doing this flame away. You know...that statement may have not been intended the way it sounded to me. At least I hope not. Whether or not you support doping...or testing...I do hope you don't think it's fine for there to be outright abuse/suffering caused to animals...property or not.
Please read the comments right before that sentence :-)
Horse are property.
Your dog is your property too.
If you want to take them and have them put down at the vets you have the right to do that...you actually have the right to shoot them if you wish...they are your property.
I do not condone drugging with the above drugs mentioned nor do I condone someone telling others what to do with their own property 
I wish I hadn't went there with the above its more of a political discussion than a "drug testing issue."
Let me give an example if they started testing : Security would need to be tight because you are running for 100k and more in slot races. The goal is to sale that horse for money after its futurity career. You would need security to ensure no one was around these horses except the authorized people that were approved to handle them. We would need to start getting owners licenses, riders license, and signing in and out of area. I dunno how or even if WPRA is actually testing (I've never heard of anyone having a bad test or consequences of it?) but they aren't many rodeos that are 100k or more a pop. This is big money and pride for owners who have been in the business for years.
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What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is.
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM
Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing...
Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog. |
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| komet. - 2015-03-10 5:05 PM
barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM
Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing...
Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/people/louisiana-appeals-court-up... |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-03-10 5:07 PM
komet. - 2015-03-10 5:05 PM
barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM
Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing...
Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog.
here is pig juice:
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/nitrotain-and-pig-j...
Pig juice and frog juice two different substances Edited by astreakinchic 2015-03-10 4:37 PM
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2015-03-10 4:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing... Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog.
I spelled dermorphin wrong btw. It's an opioid.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermorphin |
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 4:25 PM
komet. - 2015-03-10 4:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing... Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermorphin
I must be confused... I always thought by definition, an opiate was a product of the poppy. While Frog Juice.. like I said..comes from a frog.. |
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Location: Online | This might be just me, but I don't think I would want to give my barrel horse anything that makes them act as crazy as a race horse. Just sayin'. |
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barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 4:25 PM
komet. - 2015-03-10 4:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing... Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermorphin
I must be confused... I always thought by definition, an opiate was a product of the poppy. While Frog Juice.. like I said..comes from a frog..
Go read the link to LA QH trainers being banned for using frog juice. It explains what frog juice is:
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/people/louisiana-appeals-court-up...
Dermorphin, believed to be manufactured synthetically by compounding pharmacies, was originally derived from South American tree frogs, thus its nickname frog juice. The drug was rumored to be widely used throughout the Southwest until drug tests were developed to detect it in post-race samples. Positive tests for dermorphin in New Mexico and Oklahoma resulted in suspensions for as long as 20 years. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | astreakinchic - 2015-03-10 5:11 PM
komet. - 2015-03-10 5:46 PM
barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 4:25 PM
komet. - 2015-03-10 4:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing... Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermorphin
I must be confused... I always thought by definition, an opiate was a product of the poppy. While Frog Juice.. like I said..comes from a frog..
Go read the link to LA QH trainers being banned for using frog juice. It explains what frog juice is:
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/people/louisiana-appeals-court-up...
Dermorphin, believed to be manufactured synthetically by compounding pharmacies, was originally derived from South American tree frogs, thus its nickname frog juice. The drug was rumored to be widely used throughout the Southwest until drug tests were developed to detect it in post-race samples. Positive tests for dermorphin in New Mexico and Oklahoma resulted in suspensions for as long as 20 years.
Yes. I remember the trainers getting popped... That was when I looked it up... |
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