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Location: Texas | I try and keep myself from being the paranoid always take your horse to the vet person especially since I'm in vet school... so I thought Bunny would be A-OK to run at diamonds and dirt without having her looked over. She has been making good runs with some occasional bad ones but I thought if anything it was just the occasional "bad day." Wrong, wrong wrong! I just chunked that entry fee out the window and then added all the vet work I should have had done before.
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Location: Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-12 9:27 AM
what happened?
I know she gets routine hock injections but I didn't think she needed them yet.. I guess I was being optimistic.
And I've been having issues, well since I have had her, that she gets heel sore. We tried leather pads on her and I keep her in soft rides when she's on hard ground... but when they looked at her in a circle on asphalt she pretty much refused to trot at all, and when she did both front feet said- NOPE, not working. so we decided to go ahead and try injecting coffins this time. Last time I had her checked in January we radiographed her feet and she looked great, wanted to rule out navicular...since they looked good we tried just adding pads. And now that it hasn't worked we injected.
And I guess in my denial she has been getting more and more cinchy over the past several months, and I have been thinking maybe "she's just cinchy." When they were palpating her back she tried to bite the snot out of the vet.. so we decided to radiograph her back to see if it was a primary issue or secondary from her feet pain. we found one kissing lesion that isn't BAD, but it's there. So we injected it and will change her saddle and pad, as well as do exercises with her back to try and give her more relief. |
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Location: Kansas | casualdust07 - 2015-03-12 9:40 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-12 9:27 AM what happened? I know she gets routine hock injections but I didn't think she needed them yet.. I guess I was being optimistic. And I've been having issues, well since I have had her, that she gets heel sore. We tried leather pads on her and I keep her in soft rides when she's on hard ground... but when they looked at her in a circle on asphalt she pretty much refused to trot at all, and when she did both front feet said- NOPE, not working. so we decided to go ahead and try injecting coffins this time. Last time I had her checked in January we radiographed her feet and she looked great, wanted to rule out navicular...since they looked good we tried just adding pads. And now that it hasn't worked we injected. And I guess in my denial she has been getting more and more cinchy over the past several months, and I have been thinking maybe "she's just cinchy." When they were palpating her back she tried to bite the snot out of the vet.. so we decided to radiograph her back to see if it was a primary issue or secondary from her feet pain. we found one kissing lesion that isn't BAD, but it's there. So we injected it and will change her saddle and pad, as well as do exercises with her back to try and give her more relief.
ouchy! Poor momma! I hope you can get everything figured out soon |
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Location: Texas | I do too. It's frustrating that I keep finding different stuff every time I bring her in. If I can finally get a solid routine of what to look for with her, I feel like I can stop getting surprised by her ending up sore somewhere. Maybe it's the vet school curse that I bring a horse in and they find something new every time :(. |
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| casualdust07 - 2015-03-12 8:48 AM I do too. It's frustrating that I keep finding different stuff every time I bring her in. If I can finally get a solid routine of what to look for with her, I feel like I can stop getting surprised by her ending up sore somewhere. Maybe it's the vet school curse that I bring a horse in and they find something new every time :(.
It totally is the vet student curse......I am a veterinarian and I swear my horses come down with the most obscure diseases....like one with purpura in the middle of winter (-40 celcius) who hadn't been off the property in a month; potomac horse fever (very unusual up here) in another mare, it goes on.....
Hugs to you - just be glad you were able to diagnose something, at least you know what to treat! And she will be better off for the longer haul.  |
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Location: Oklahoma | I have learned (and I've only been back into running for the last ten months) that if I think something is wrong... there is! I would love to have half the knowledge you have. Hope she gets to feeling better! |
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Location: Texas | 2H~QH - 2015-03-12 10:29 AM
casualdust07 - 2015-03-12 8:48 AM I do too. It's frustrating that I keep finding different stuff every time I bring her in. If I can finally get a solid routine of what to look for with her, I feel like I can stop getting surprised by her ending up sore somewhere. Maybe it's the vet school curse that I bring a horse in and they find something new every time :(.
It totally is the vet student curse......I am a veterinarian and I swear my horses come down with the most obscure diseases....like one with purpura in the middle of winter (-40 celcius) who hadn't been off the property in a month; potomac horse fever (very unusual up here) in another mare, it goes on.....
Hugs to you - just be glad you were able to diagnose something, at least you know what to treat! And she will be better off for the longer haul.
Oh yeah, first year of school one day in SCAAEP barn rounds they talked about OCD lesions and I had a light bulb moment, called my vet to check one mare's stifles.. found an OCD chip..
Had a foal the summer before school started, he had a blood clot in his bladder from his urachus when he was born... then got atypical interstitial pneumonia as a weanling, then colitis from Abx-
we have nasopharyngeal cicatrix at our barn
The mare from this post has fibrotic myopathy too..
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Location: Phoenix | Makes you wish there was some sort of package that vets would do that covers a bunch of x-rays and injections for a little lower cost since we're continually spending so much money on our horses…
I recently addressed an issue that had been nagging on my mind for the past five years or so and while we addressed some hind end issues I am sure there's plenty more in the front end, but when do you stop? Especially when the horse isn't showing telltale signs of obvious lameness. Many, many horses will not pass a vet check these days... |
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| Dang Lauren Bunny is a gritty mare. She has been giving you some great runs with all this going on. Explains why she could not do it consistently, but she was trying. |
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| hammer_time - 2015-03-12 12:27 PM
Makes you wish there was some sort of package that vets would do that covers a bunch of x-rays and injections for a little lower cost since we're continually spending so much money on our horses…
I recently addressed an issue that had been nagging on my mind for the past five years or so and while we addressed some hind end issues I am sure there's plenty more in the front end, but when do you stop? Especially when the horse isn't showing telltale signs of obvious lameness. Many, many horses will not pass a vet check these days...
I'm not picking on you I swear! But i don't feel like there is any such thing as pass or fail a vet check anymore. No horse is EVER 100% sound.
A lady was telling me at a show last week that she was trying a gelding out with the understanding that if he passed the vet check she would pay for the vet check but if he failed that the buyer would pay. I understand that is how it used to be done. But who does that now? Deal breakers for some ppl are just maintenance things for another person. Plus if he's good and uses himself he will have at least one issue needing some attention.
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Location: Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-03-12 11:37 AM
Dang Lauren Bunny is a gritty mare. She has been giving you some great runs with all this going on. Explains why she could not do it consistently, but she was trying.
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| casualdust07 - 2015-03-13 9:59 AM
rodeomom3 - 2015-03-12 11:37 AM
Dang Lauren Bunny is a gritty mare. She has been giving you some great runs with all this going on. Explains why she could not do it consistently, but she was trying.
Yes hopefully we can get more consistent after this!
If she's working that nice when she's hurting... just imagine how nice she will be for you when she feels good hope she gets sound soon and stays that way!!!
Will they allow a vet out for the barrel race? I've never run at that one so idk but it would be worth looking into. Of course it's better to not run her and get her feeling better but i would be sick over the lost entry fees (no i'm not saying run her lol i just mean see if there is any way possible to get your $ back) |
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| runnin.on.dreams - 2015-03-12 1:06 PM casualdust07 - 2015-03-13 9:59 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-03-12 11:37 AM Dang Lauren Bunny is a gritty mare. She has been giving you some great runs with all this going on. Explains why she could not do it consistently, but she was trying. Yes hopefully we can get more consistent after this! If she's working that nice when she's hurting... just imagine how nice she will be for you when she feels good hope she gets sound soon and stays that way!!! Will they allow a vet out for the barrel race? I've never run at that one so idk but it would be worth looking into. Of course it's better to not run her and get her feeling better but i would be sick over the lost entry fees (no i'm not saying run her lol i just mean see if there is any way possible to get your $ back )
She ran her, then had her looked at because she went past the first. She may still win some $$ even though she did not get the run she wanted, help pay those vet bills :) |
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Location: Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-03-12 1:17 PM
runnin.on.dreams - 2015-03-12 1:06 PM casualdust07 - 2015-03-13 9:59 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-03-12 11:37 AM Dang Lauren Bunny is a gritty mare. She has been giving you some great runs with all this going on. Explains why she could not do it consistently, but she was trying. Yes hopefully we can get more consistent after this! If she's working that nice when she's hurting... just imagine how nice she will be for you when she feels good hope she gets sound soon and stays that way!!! Will they allow a vet out for the barrel race? I've never run at that one so idk but it would be worth looking into. Of course it's better to not run her and get her feeling better but i would be sick over the lost entry fees (no i'm not saying run her lol i just mean see if there is any way possible to get your $ back )
Yep already ran on Wednesday and I am not pre entered anywhere for this weekend so I'm not out any fees...just will miss a chance to run for points. But I've missed a few already and will miss more for school so honestly I will be out of most year end stuff anyway.. |
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| You just made up my mind on whether or not to bring my mare to the vet tomorrow....thank you. Just made the appt. And I am sorry about the bad luck, don't beat yourself up over it!. |
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Location: Phoenix | astreakinchic - 2015-03-12 9:40 AM
hammer_time - 2015-03-12 12:27 PM
Makes you wish there was some sort of package that vets would do that covers a bunch of x-rays and injections for a little lower cost since we're continually spending so much money on our horses…
I recently addressed an issue that had been nagging on my mind for the past five years or so and while we addressed some hind end issues I am sure there's plenty more in the front end, but when do you stop? Especially when the horse isn't showing telltale signs of obvious lameness. Many, many horses will not pass a vet check these days...
I'm not picking on you I swear! But i don't feel like there is any such thing as pass or fail a vet check anymore. No horse is EVER 100% sound.
A lady was telling me at a show last week that she was trying a gelding out with the understanding that if he passed the vet check she would pay for the vet check but if he failed that the buyer would pay. I understand that is how it used to be done. But who does that now? Deal breakers for some ppl are just maintenance things for another person. Plus if he's good and uses himself he will have at least one issue needing some attention.
No worries! That's kind of what I was getting at… There's just different levels of soundness and different levels of maintenance required for each horse. especially with advanced technology, these machines nowadays can dig even deeper than before...makes me wonder how many horses years and years ago ran with these issues but we just never even knew about them. |
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Location: Texas | Ugh I bought the video so I could study it and it just hurts to watch it. This poor mare. I hope I figure all this out because with all the things they found that day... she didn't do anything bad warming up, didn't refuse the alley, cleans up her feed every day.. the only time she says it hurts is when she makes a bad run.. but half the time, she makes GOOD runs in-between. gah.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BStArLemeUU |
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Location: Texas | So is the head shaking related to just the simple fact that she is in pain?
If you can get her feeling good, you would have taken ATLEAST a second off that run... This mare is so fast and her 2nd & 3rd were still smoking. I can't wait to see what you accomplish with her once you get everything figured out. |
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Location: Texas | she's been a head shaker as long as she's been ridden. When I bought her I was told about it, and the 2nd previous owner said she could never fix her of it. I noticed when I bought her... When I started getting her hocks done she would have runs where she didn't shake her head. I am hoping now that we found an issue with her back and have addressed it, I can get more runs where she doesn't shake.
Here is a video of a GOOD Bunny run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz-CJwWnmB0
We won this one by 4 tenths, and although we don't officially keep arena records, there's never been another 14.4 on those stakes. |
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Location: Phoenix | She really GITS IT doesn't she?? |
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Location: North Dakota | Boy can I relate! I call it the 2 month curse. I've purchased 2 horses in the last 3 years and something goes horribly wrong with every one in the first 2 months. One went lame in her stifle region and never got better. After chiro, massage, injections, etc. I finally gave up. Another came up mysteriously lame in his front end for NO REASON. We put wedge pads on him after x-rays ruled out any definite signs of navicular and injections didn't do anything. He was still off and on but now has something wrong in his hind end! It *may* be just an abscess but we haven't been able to find anything definitive. Then there's my other poor guy, a few weeks after bring him home he got strangles, then a hoof abscess popped up which lasted 2 months and the vet had to dig out part of his hoof, then he started having back issues. I'm waiting on bloodwork but actually think it might be ulcers.
So yeah...I have total sympathy for you! It just never seems to end and all I want to do is RIDE my horses! |
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Location: In a happy place | I want you to promise me next year before Diamonds and Dirt you get her checked. She deserves one of her good runs at this race. Don't beat yourself up we are all human and can't know everything. |
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Location: Texas | sorrel horse ranch - 2015-03-13 10:57 AM
I want you to promise me next year before Diamonds and Dirt you get her checked. She deserves one of her good runs at this race. Don't beat yourself up we are all human and can't know everything.
Well I definitely want to get her to a big race in the recent future now that I have had her worked on. We bombed the American Qualifier because she was sore, even though I DID have her checked... bombed D&D because I thought she was alright.. gosh. I need to find a race to enter in the next month or two. |
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