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Breed prejudice rant
watchpeppydoc
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Posted 2015-03-12 11:42 AM
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 It's sad there are so many close minded people out there. Some chick on fb was looking for a barrel prospect/started/finished horse, all her "wants" would have been good with my appaloosa I have for sale. I posted him and right away she said no apps sorry, I asked if she looked at his pedigree and she replied, no apps. Just boggles my mind that because he has a few spots and has app papers that he would be turned down just because of that. His whole bottom side is QH - Reckless Dash, Dash For Cash and the only "bad" thing I can say is Coosa is one off his papers, his whole top side is basically all TB and his sire is a hall of fame app, ran on the track, broke some track records and that app goes back to Spotted Bull. Just is so upsetting that people are still closed minded when it comes to breeds. Just wanted to rant. Agh. 
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I completely understand. When I got my now retired Appy several of my friends thought I was nuts. "An Appaloosa!?"

I learned the phrase "The spots don't make em stupid"

Jackpot has been the best horse. He clocked well for his size (he's big), and never let me down. Great personality and the one I would ride when I didn't want to mess with any nonsense and wanted to be able to relax and have fun. And he was a star for me running with the drill team. He learned the patterns/routines before I did!

So...consider it her loss.
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It is the individuals prerogative, if she doesn't want an appy, you can't force her to buy her horse, don't know what the problem is.

It is the same as someone saying no quarter horses

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cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:50 AM It is the individuals prerogative, if she doesn't want an appy, you can't force her to buy her horse, don't know what the problem is. It is the same as someone saying no quarter horses

Or someone like me that NO mares!!! Just don't like them... and it doesn't matter what color they are. 
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Posted 2015-03-12 12:00 PM
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My grandpa would fall over dead if I showed him an Appy I just bought. lol He is very particular when it comes to color. He wants them solid brown, no white feet... a small blaze is ok but too big and he thinks you just threw your money away lol. I told him once I was looking at a paint, he left me standing there mumbling something about "that **** kid." lol He is a tad bit cranky in is old age.

For me though, I would never look at an Appy. Only because they aren't pretty at all to me. Not saying they can't be great horses, I wouldn't know. I have to at least like what my horse looks like a little bit. I can be pretty forgiving when a horse is outside of what I think looks good color wise, but Apps just aren't for me.

*ETA: It isn't the breed for me, just the looks.


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I prefer not to deal with apps either. I've been around enough to know that they just don't fit with me. You may have the greatest one alive, but I've already decided that most apps and I don't mesh......so, I'd have passed on her too. It has nothing to do with you or your mare. It would just be my preference. 
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I grew up riding appy's but I won't buy one now. They are too hard to sell, doesn't matter the reasons as we know there are good and bad ones same as QH's etc. Really it is the same with paints. You can have a World Champion running APHA producing mare and get her bought for $10k or less and unless you have closer to $50k-$100k you won't touch an AQHA World Champ producer. A solid gelding and pull the papers if they are winning big and you might get what they are worth. I'm not saying I agree that this is right, but it is the truth.
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cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:50 AM It is the individuals prerogative, if she doesn't want an appy, you can't force her to buy her horse, don't know what the problem is. It is the same as someone saying no quarter horses

You'd think if you were that against a breed you would say so in your ad, its not like it said qh only or whatever. This isnt the first time this has happened either, I've even messaged people and told them everything except the app part, and they are interested until they ask for pedigree and pictures. Im not butt hurt she doesnt want my horse, but just because its an app doesnt mean its a rat tailed jug headed pos. 
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People are narrow minded.......my brother refuses to like my paint gelding because "he has spots" but yet he rides & wins on my solid appi & likes my solid paint filly. He sticks to his theory that spotted horses are broncs.....I will never begin to understand how peoples minds work. If you even look at the pedigree of most paints & appi's they're mostly all QH anyway....but you can't make people open their minds. Which is why any horse I buy with intentions of selling it will be a registered QH. I will buy & raise an appi or paint for myself, but not with the intentions of selling it as I know I'll get less for them than I would a QH.
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cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:50 AM It is the individuals prerogative, if she doesn't want an appy, you can't force her to buy her horse, don't know what the problem is. It is the same as someone saying no quarter horses

You'd think if you were that against a breed you would say so in your ad, its not like it said qh only or whatever. This isnt the first time this has happened either, I've even messaged people and told them everything except the app part, and they are interested until they ask for pedigree and pictures. Im not butt hurt she doesnt want my horse, but just because its an app doesnt mean its a rat tailed jug headed pos. 

Who cares what is in the ad, you showed her what you had, she passed. Wanted ads help people weed through all the potentials and find their dream horse without searching all over the Internet
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cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:14 AM
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cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:50 AM It is the individuals prerogative, if she doesn't want an appy, you can't force her to buy her horse, don't know what the problem is. It is the same as someone saying no quarter horses
You'd think if you were that against a breed you would say so in your ad, its not like it said qh only or whatever. This isnt the first time this has happened either, I've even messaged people and told them everything except the app part, and they are interested until they ask for pedigree and pictures. Im not butt hurt she doesnt want my horse, but just because its an app doesnt mean its a rat tailed jug headed pos. 
Who cares what is in the ad, you showed her what you had, she passed. Wanted ads help people weed through all the potentials and find their dream horse without searching all over the Internet
what I like to see in wanted ads is the exact opposite of what they are asking for. It's like an opposites game to some people. Example

I am looking for a barrel prospect, lightly started ages 3-4, no sorrels and no geldings. $4000 max.

me me me
, I have a 8 yr old ranched on gelding that is the prettiest color of sorrel you have ever seen. $8500 

Edited by wyoming barrel racer 2015-03-12 12:21 PM
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wyoming barrel racer - 2015-03-12 12:19 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:14 AM
watchpeppydoc - 2015-03-12 12:03 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:50 AM It is the individuals prerogative, if she doesn't want an appy, you can't force her to buy her horse, don't know what the problem is. It is the same as someone saying no quarter horses
You'd think if you were that against a breed you would say so in your ad, its not like it said qh only or whatever. This isnt the first time this has happened either, I've even messaged people and told them everything except the app part, and they are interested until they ask for pedigree and pictures. Im not butt hurt she doesnt want my horse, but just because its an app doesnt mean its a rat tailed jug headed pos. 
Who cares what is in the ad, you showed her what you had, she passed. Wanted ads help people weed through all the potentials and find their dream horse without searching all over the Internet
what I like to see in wanted ads is the exact opposite of what they are asking for. It's like an opposites game to some people. Example



I am looking for a barrel prospect, lightly started ages 3-4, no sorrels and no geldings. $4000 max.



me me me
, I have a 8 yr old ranched on gelding that is the prettiest color of sorrel you have ever seen. $8500 

 LOL
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watchpeppydoc
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2015-03-12 12:33 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:14 AM
watchpeppydoc - 2015-03-12 12:03 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:50 AM It is the individuals prerogative, if she doesn't want an appy, you can't force her to buy her horse, don't know what the problem is. It is the same as someone saying no quarter horses
You'd think if you were that against a breed you would say so in your ad, its not like it said qh only or whatever. This isnt the first time this has happened either, I've even messaged people and told them everything except the app part, and they are interested until they ask for pedigree and pictures. Im not butt hurt she doesnt want my horse, but just because its an app doesnt mean its a rat tailed jug headed pos. 
Who cares what is in the ad, you showed her what you had, she passed. Wanted ads help people weed through all the potentials and find their dream horse without searching all over the Internet
what I like to see in wanted ads is the exact opposite of what they are asking for. It's like an opposites game to some people. Example



I am looking for a barrel prospect, lightly started ages 3-4, no sorrels and no geldings. $4000 max.



me me me
, I have a 8 yr old ranched on gelding that is the prettiest color of sorrel you have ever seen. $8500 

 LOL Isnt that the truth!!!
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Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2015-03-12 12:37 PM
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Apps are harder to resell.  I would defintely pass on one with any color, just personal preference.  The ones that make it as true 1D/rodeo horses are few and far between, I like my odds (and resell value) better with a QH.  It would be a dealbreaker for me.
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We all have our prejudices! My sister LOVES paints and I personally don't think I would ever be caught on one!
But I do one day want an appy...with a blanket! I have no idea what draws me to a blanket appy...I just think they look cool. That being said I haven't ever seen a top 1D appy....yet :)
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Posted 2015-03-12 1:09 PM
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I can sure understand why folks develop preferences...and it's their perrogative for sure.  Heck...I only buy geldings...not that I don't think there are some fantastic awesome mares...I just prefer geldings.  So...to each their own.

But...Thought I'd post a couple of pictures of my "ugly" Appy gelding....just because.  





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I learned the phrase "The spots don't make em stupid"

I beg to differ. I will never own another appaloosa anything, because I know my gelding didn't get his rank attitude from the paint side.


I've never rode an appaloosa that didn't have a loose screw. It could be a world champion and I won't look twice at it. Sorry, just my opinion.
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Posted 2015-03-12 1:43 PM
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 I wouldn't buy anything but a Quarter Horse. They fit my uses the. I feel like everyone is allowed to have a opinion and no use trying to change it. Sounds like  maybe getting a little defensive over someone else's prerogative not to be interested in a horse cause of the breed. 
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-03-12 2:26 PM
I learned the phrase "The spots don't make em stupid"
I beg to differ. I will never own another appaloosa anything, because I know my gelding didn't get his rank attitude from the paint side. I've never rode an appaloosa that didn't have a loose screw. It could be a world champion and I won't look twice at it. Sorry, just my opinion.

How do you know that? Just curious. 
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Because his dam was a decent mannered, papered paint, a Judy's Lineage lined mare. I don't know his sire, but he didn't get it from his bottom side.
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-03-12 2:50 PM Because his dam was a decent mannered, papered paint, a Judy's Lineage lined mare. I don't know his sire, but he didn't get it from his bottom side.

What if his sire was well mannered and papered?

I think putting a blanket statement on any bloodline or breed cannot be justified. There's always going to be one (or many) out there that proves you wrong. Lots of people don't like Impressive horses and have no reasoning not to, it's just what they've been told to "not like" all of their life. 

The colt in my profile picture is an App, and he is one nice dude. Sweet as pie and smart as a whip.  
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cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:50 AM It is the individuals prerogative, if she doesn't want an appy, you can't force her to buy her horse, don't know what the problem is. It is the same as someone saying no quarter horses
You'd think if you were that against a breed you would say so in your ad, its not like it said qh only or whatever. This isnt the first time this has happened either, I've even messaged people and told them everything except the app part, and they are interested until they ask for pedigree and pictures. Im not butt hurt she doesnt want my horse, but just because its an app doesnt mean its a rat tailed jug headed pos. 
Who cares what is in the ad, you showed her what you had, she passed. Wanted ads help people weed through all the potentials and find their dream horse without searching all over the Internet
what I like to see in wanted ads is the exact opposite of what they are asking for. It's like an opposites game to some people. Example



I am looking for a barrel prospect, lightly started ages 3-4, no sorrels and no geldings. $4000 max.



me me me
, I have a 8 yr old ranched on gelding that is the prettiest color of sorrel you have ever seen. $8500 

 LOL Isnt that the truth!!!

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This thread makes my head hurt. 
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Whiteboy - 2015-03-12 2:04 PM This thread makes my head hurt. 

Because, you have a herd of apps that you're trying to sell??? 
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Whiteboy - 2015-03-12 2:04 PM This thread makes my head hurt. 

and here I thought it was just me. lol 
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Whiteboy - 2015-03-12 2:04 PM This thread makes my head hurt. 
Because, you have a herd of apps that you're trying to sell??? 

lol thankfully no!  I dont mind them, but they are hard to sell.  My very first horse I ever bought on my own was an app.  He was solid bay, and just as quiet as could be.  Paid my 4H leader $100 a month for a year.  I broke him myself, it is a wonder he ever turned into anything! lol I think I rode him maybe once a week when I was breaking him.   He turned into an excellent horse for me.  Wish I still had him for my kid.  http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pete24
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Whiteboy - 2015-03-12 2:04 PM This thread makes my head hurt. 
Because, you have a herd of apps that you're trying to sell??? 

lol thankfully no!  I dont mind them, but they are hard to sell.  My very first horse I ever bought on my own was an app.  He was solid bay, and just as quiet as could be.  Paid my 4H leader $100 a month for a year.  I broke him myself, it is a wonder he ever turned into anything! lol I think I rode him maybe once a week when I was breaking him.   He turned into an excellent horse for me.  Wish I still had him for my kid.  http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pete24

My my my would you look at all the App in that pedigree!!!! lol

I would be curious to see a picture & pedigree of the OP's horse.

I have a friend whose family raised Appaloosa's, raced them actually. So basically everything they ride is Appy bred, most of them don't have blankets, but do have excessive white. Very nice horses, & he is a hand, they work/ride better than alot of horses in our area!!!

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Whiteboy - 2015-03-12 2:04 PM This thread makes my head hurt. 
Because, you have a herd of apps that you're trying to sell??? 
lol thankfully no!  I dont mind them, but they are hard to sell.  My very first horse I ever bought on my own was an app.  He was solid bay, and just as quiet as could be.  Paid my 4H leader $100 a month for a year.  I broke him myself, it is a wonder he ever turned into anything! lol I think I rode him maybe once a week when I was breaking him.   He turned into an excellent horse for me.  Wish I still had him for my kid.  http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pete24

My 2nd horse when I was 13 was a solid bay mare app.. lol Noone believed me she was  a App.. back then People thought all apps had spots lol.. kinda funny.. loved her to pieces..  Then I got a spotted app.. gelding .. a real hardy horse.. solid and stable.. just goofed on them both..
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that is a gal that runs an appy up here, he is absolutely beautiful! And he's quick! He doesn't look like an appy, more like a roan, but boy is he nice! 
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I think it's more of a health issue... I mean, who wants to buy a horse with The Pox?
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My dad won't even touch a paint. He looks at them like they have a disease. If it isn't a grey, sorrel, or shade of brown Quarter or TB He won't even touch the horse LOL and he has no reason why he doesn't like them!! 
 
 

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I've owned 3 apps....and I've rode in an ambulance 3 times.....I'm good.
Not saying there aren't good ones out there that might work for someone else, but they don't mesh well with me.
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-03-12 2:50 PM Because his dam was a decent mannered, papered paint, a Judy's Lineage lined mare. I don't know his sire, but he didn't get it from his bottom side.
What if his sire was well mannered and papered?



I think putting a blanket statement on any bloodline or breed cannot be justified. There's always going to be one (or many) out there that proves you wrong. Lots of people don't like Impressive horses and have no reasoning not to, it's just what they've been told to "not like" all of their life. 



The colt in my profile picture is an App, and he is one nice dude. Sweet as pie and smart as a whip.  

blanket statements don't really bother me. It is the same with bloodlines. Some love Impressive, Two Eyed Jack etc and others will run the other way. You know there are good ones. My 2 were ding bats, but I would blame the training on that some. My best little gelding ever is out of one of them. He's the one I have pictures on facebook doing barrels, poles, jumping, HUS, reining etc all at one show. My boys ride him now and sadly my husband has to admit he was an A+ ranch horse and our fall back horse until he just got too old. He is a solid bay roan like his sire so no one in the world would know he was 1/2 Appy, probably higher % Appy than most of the spotted ones. Not a bit quirky other than he pins his ears a lot and then puts them forward when you talk to him. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.705715669526153.1073741829.355260627904994&type=3 
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I have an appaphobia.. lol.. love em like any other horse but i've never owned one and dont think i ever would... haven't had a good experience with one yet.. and can vividly remember one a guy had i know that used to come at ya w/teeth bared if you tried to mess with him or walk past him - lol.. of course that was 1 out of how many.. so not going to knock the breed but can honestly say i wouldn't buy one.
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My first horse was an appaloosa.  She was the best dang horse i've ever owned.  She did anything and everything I wanted her to do.  She wouldn't have been for everyone though.  She looked like your typical App...in fact, she's was more a "true" app than many I see now adays.  There was more Appy in her pedigree than QH's!  LOL.  I bought her when I was 15, and had her her whole life....12 years.  She was my best friend and soul mate...not a day goes by that I don't miss that horse. 


http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miss+molly+mark

 
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Whiteboy - 2015-03-12 2:04 PM This thread makes my head hurt. 
Because, you have a herd of apps that you're trying to sell??? 

lol thankfully no!  I dont mind them, but they are hard to sell.  My very first horse I ever bought on my own was an app.  He was solid bay, and just as quiet as could be.  Paid my 4H leader $100 a month for a year.  I broke him myself, it is a wonder he ever turned into anything! lol I think I rode him maybe once a week when I was breaking him.   He turned into an excellent horse for me.  Wish I still had him for my kid.  http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pete24

My my my would you look at all the App in that pedigree!!!! lol

I would be curious to see a picture & pedigree of the OP's horse.

I have a friend whose family raised Appaloosa's, raced them actually. So basically everything they ride is Appy bred, most of them don't have blankets, but do have excessive white. Very nice horses, & he is a hand, they work/ride better than alot of horses in our area!!!

Yup lol if you look real close you can see one in the 5 generation!
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BRcwgrl81 - 2015-03-12 3:00 PM My first horse was an appaloosa.  She was the best dang horse i've ever owned.  She did anything and everything I wanted her to do.  She wouldn't have been for everyone though.  She looked like your typical App...in fact, she's was more a "true" app than many I see now adays.  There was more Appy in her pedigree than QH's!  LOL.  I bought her when I was 15, and had her her whole life....12 years.  She was my best friend and soul mate...not a day goes by that I don't miss that horse. 





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 My very first horse was an appy as well and she would go anywhere and do anything AND at whatever speed you wanted.  Sturdy little thing and we were so in tune to each other that she was a blast to ride – my once in a lifetime horse for sure (although my Impressive/Two Eyed Jack boy I think is moving in and making his mark).  I bought her when I was a junior in high school at the age of 12 and she lived until the ripe old age of 35.  Miss her every time I ride.
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I like a good horse...no matter the breed,color or gender..if they're good...they're good,they all deserve a chance. My Appy mare...I also have paints and quarters.

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brushycreekfarm - 2015-03-12 5:35 PM I like a good horse...no matter the breed.color or gender...if they're good...they're good. 

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 I think its the experience people have with a single horse that sets the stage for what they like and don't like! I will not even look at a horse if it is  a paint! The only paints I have ever owned were pukes!!! The best barrel horse I EVER owned was an arabian. My Grandmother who knew nothing about horses at all purchased her for me from or mailman. They got in a conversation one day at the mailbox about me  loving to watch rodeo! The mailman convinced her to purchase the arabian mare for me. She was 100% arabian all spirit and try!! I was belssed with one good horse that won for me for 12 years without one lame step and nothing but grain and hay!!!  I just have QH geldings now, they are easy to please and are never dramatic!
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Her loss.  I got a lot of looks in the jumper ring when I showed a very large loud App all over the country back in the 80's - he also had no tail and no mane.  (I didn't have to get up at 3 am to braid - WIN!).  He was a fabulous jumper and had a tricky style, he bloodied the nose of many other riders, including the riders who had to trade horses with me in medal classes and hadn't know of him prior.

I wouldn't have traded him for the world back then.  Anyone judging a horse on color or anedotal stories alone...pretty much tells you what their level of true horsemanship is.  
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It depends on what your looking for. If I'm looking for breeding stock or something for resale, then I tend to stay away from anything but a QH and certain bloodlines. If I'm looking for something for me.. I don't care what color, breed, papers or not if I like the horse I like the horse..  This has never let me down.. Buying on color and papers has many many times 
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We had a number of them when I was growing up. My Mom traded horses as a way to make extra cash to feed 4 kids. Color sold. I was the oldest and designated rider. My two brothers below me were not horse people. The one's we had were mostly crazy, but there were a few that were lazy. I never sat on one that I minded parting with. In fact, there was a leopard app mare we named Spook. She was rank and I mean rank. Beautiful, perfectly white with big black spots, a real head turner.....but, she was the devil. Trying to sell her was one of the hardest things that I ever did lol. I rode her through mud up to her knees every single day and every day she was ready to go another round with me. Finally, after months and months and me losing hope, a lady showed up that was crazier than that horse. The horse bucked me while I was showing her to the lady....same as she did every day......and that lady still wanted her lol. We, also, had one we called Captain Hook that was particularly onery. We actually paid this man $150 for his kids to ride Captain Hook for one month. They were tougher than I was. Well, that was $150 we'll never get back lol. Captain Hook was still insane when he came home. We finally just took him back to the sale barn. So, I've had my fill of apps. I dubbed them lazy or crazy a long, long time ago. Someone could tell me that they have the greatest one ever and I'd still pass it by lol and they can thank Spook, Captain Hook, Cinderella, Popcorn, Elvis and a few others lol.

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Whiteboy - 2015-03-12 2:04 PM This thread makes my head hurt. 
Because, you have a herd of apps that you're trying to sell??? 

lol thankfully no!  I dont mind them, but they are hard to sell.  My very first horse I ever bought on my own was an app.  He was solid bay, and just as quiet as could be.  Paid my 4H leader $100 a month for a year.  I broke him myself, it is a wonder he ever turned into anything! lol I think I rode him maybe once a week when I was breaking him.   He turned into an excellent horse for me.  Wish I still had him for my kid.  http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pete24

My my my would you look at all the App in that pedigree!!!! lol

I would be curious to see a picture & pedigree of the OP's horse.

I have a friend whose family raised Appaloosa's, raced them actually. So basically everything they ride is Appy bred, most of them don't have blankets, but do have excessive white. Very nice horses, & he is a hand, they work/ride better than alot of horses in our area!!!

 Www.allbreedpedigree.com/cash+option
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Whiteboy - 2015-03-12 2:04 PM This thread makes my head hurt. 
Because, you have a herd of apps that you're trying to sell??? 

lol thankfully no!  I dont mind them, but they are hard to sell.  My very first horse I ever bought on my own was an app.  He was solid bay, and just as quiet as could be.  Paid my 4H leader $100 a month for a year.  I broke him myself, it is a wonder he ever turned into anything! lol I think I rode him maybe once a week when I was breaking him.   He turned into an excellent horse for me.  Wish I still had him for my kid.  http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pete24

My my my would you look at all the App in that pedigree!!!! lol

I would be curious to see a picture & pedigree of the OP's horse.

I have a friend whose family raised Appaloosa's, raced them actually. So basically everything they ride is Appy bred, most of them don't have blankets, but do have excessive white. Very nice horses, & he is a hand, they work/ride better than alot of horses in our area!!!

 Www.allbreedpedigree.com/cash+option

 He's the one in my avatar. «------- he's filled out quite a bit more as well as lost the rest of his black points.
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Wow, that's incredible!! I only have one horse right now and he's an appaloosa, best **** horse I've EVER owned!! I actually just bought him back as I always was sad I sold him years ago due to the fact we were moving and could only take two horses. This horse is ALWAYS in the money, sound sane and just overall amazing. The girl that I sold him to had people make some nasty remarks about him when they first got him then after she started kicking everyones butt, they sent her a card saying "Sorry you appy isn't so crappy" lol. I LOVE my appy.
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Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions. I personally don't like paints, but would almost be willing to pay twice as much for a red or bay roan. Just my opinion, from experience. 
I'm not saying paints are bad or that there has never been a good paint horse. But, if I'm paying for it, it's going to be what I want.


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So you're saying you wouldn't consider this amazing app for your kiddo? Ohhhh, btw she's half arab too ;)

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 I think appaloosas are pretty. I love anything with spots! BUT that being said my only experiences with appy's have not been pleasant ones. I'd still look at one but I'd be extra cautous. I'm not one to completely rule out ANY horse, unless it's short. Can't ride short horses. 15.1-15.2 minimum. My gelding has a blue eye and the girl selling him told me that she had people turn him down because a blue eye is supposed to be bad luck or something (?) I LOVE blue eyes and that was a huge bonus on top of his already wonderful looks, temperment, and training.
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My very first "big" horse was an app. Huge, well to a 6 year old he was. Kindest sweetest horse ever. Was a trained jumper. He would bow down on command for me to get on him. We would pile up 4 kids on him for Halloween while he was wearing a sheet with eye, ear, and nose holes cut in it and go trick or treating around the neighborhood. Not a bad bone in his beautiful body. Won my very first trophy barrel racing on that horse. He took care of me for many years.
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 I'm a QH snob.  I don't like paints or apps.  For me it's about looks and the brief experiences I've had with both.  
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wickedstepmother - 2015-03-13 12:17 AM

So you're saying you wouldn't consider this amazing app for your kiddo? Ohhhh, btw she's half arab too ;)

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Depends on the price, if you were wanting as much or more then a quarter horse, or even grade horse with a solid color, not grey or palomino with the same credentials same age, then I would pass.

I find kids horses are the exception to the rule.

I have nothing against Appaloosas, I have seen some amazing appys, and some crappy ones. I do dislike the no mane and no tail that seems to be a genetic trait in this breed.

I also don't like pain coloured horses, too hard to keep clean

We all have our preferences, and this is why we have variety in bloodlines, in breeds, and in equine activities
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cheryl makofka - 2015-03-12 11:50 AM It is the individuals prerogative, if she doesn't want an appy, you can't force her to buy her horse, don't know what the problem is. It is the same as someone saying no quarter horses
You'd think if you were that against a breed you would say so in your ad, its not like it said qh only or whatever. This isnt the first time this has happened either, I've even messaged people and told them everything except the app part, and they are interested until they ask for pedigree and pictures. Im not butt hurt she doesnt want my horse, but just because its an app doesnt mean its a rat tailed jug headed pos. 
Who cares what is in the ad, you showed her what you had, she passed. Wanted ads help people weed through all the potentials and find their dream horse without searching all over the Internet
what I like to see in wanted ads is the exact opposite of what they are asking for. It's like an opposites game to some people. Example



I am looking for a barrel prospect, lightly started ages 3-4, no sorrels and no geldings. $4000 max.



me me me
, I have a 8 yr old ranched on gelding that is the prettiest color of sorrel you have ever seen. $8500 
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Isn't that the truth!!  LOL  
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So I do not know much about todays apps. I only know some of the history of their origin with the Nez Perse tribes. Never owned one, but the guy in this pic is beautiful! My husband has it on his mind to find one similar to heel on lol.
 
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scwebster - 2015-03-13 7:36 AM So I do not know much about todays apps. I only know some of the history of their origin with the Nez Perse tribes. Never owned one, but the guy in this pic is beautiful! My husband has it on his mind to find one similar to heel on lol.

 

I would love to have a barrel/running bred blanketed bay one day!!!!  
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Funny story. When I was shopping around for my next horse I had my mind set on nothing but a quarter horse. No paints, no apps, nothing but QH. Well I ended up buying a solid bay paint mare. The only reason she isn't solid bred is the giant white blaze on her face. So in the end I was wrong to say I wouldn't buy a paint but I had to shop around and see what I really wanted. I am very particular on what I buy because it is my money and I am stuck with this purchase until I no longer want to invest time or money into said purchase.
I like pretty horses only. Don't care if it's the world's fastest horse, if it's not pretty I don't want it. Once again that is my opinion and I am entitled to it because at the end of the day it is my purchase, my money, and my right.
Everyone has their opinion on what they want and has a right to it. I can understand being upset that someone doesn't want your horse because of coloring but that is that person's right. They can reject any horse they so choose because it is their money.

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We buy prospects and train all of our own. When I am looking for one, I will not buy anything that is going to affect the resale value or make them hard to market because we cannot afford to have one that we don't make decent money on or cannot sell. We have probably passed on some really nice horses because of this, but we have also (knock on wood) been able to keep a really nice "A team" around for us to compete on, all the while making enough profit on sales to support our expensive habit of rodeo. It just works for us. Horses are very expensive and require a lot of dedication: I would never blame anyone for being too picky, even if I personally don't understand their reasoning.
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Whiteboy - 2015-03-12 2:04 PM

This thread makes my head hurt. 

I totally agree!!! I don't care if they are PURPLE as long as they stay sound and WIN...
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I would buy a dang camel if it was clocking 1d.
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Itsme - 2015-03-13 10:36 AM I would buy a dang camel if it was clocking 1d.

LOL 
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Itsme - 2015-03-13 10:36 AM

I would buy a dang camel if it was clocking 1d.

I wouldn't.

Pretty can be fast too.
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Can you honestly tell me this isnt pretty...

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I just love my appy :)

One of the grittiest horses I've ever met in my life. When you take him at face value I understand how most don't want to deal with him or other apps for that matter. Once you start working WITH him and not against him he can take you wherever you want to go. And I think he's pretty, I wish he had some more color though!


If people don't want to deal, whatever, they don't know what they are missing with your guy ;) I'm also picky though... only geldings, 15.2 minimum, The more color the better (but of course I have two solids, I was hoping when I bought my app that he'd develop some spots since he was kind of young... I was wrong..BOO!)



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Itsme - 2015-03-13 10:50 AM Can you honestly tell me this isnt pretty...




Well... I had never seen one from that angle. Camel Please! 
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Crowned Image - 2015-03-13 10:52 AM I just love my appy :) One of the grittiest horses I've ever met in my life. When you take him at face value I understand how most don't want to deal with him or other apps for that matter. Once you start working WITH him and not against him he can take you wherever you want to go. And I think he's pretty, I wish he had some more color though! If people don't want to deal, whatever, they don't know what they are missing with your guy ;) I'm also picky though... only geldings, 15.2 minimum, The more color the better (but of course I have two solids, I was hoping when I bought my app that he'd develop some spots since he was kind of young... I was wrong..BOO!)

 This is the whole point. Appy owners get mad because not everyone thinks their horse is a pretty, or not everyone likes Apps. Sorrel owners get a little ****y when someone doesn't like their horse's color. Paint owners want to try to tell everyone how wrong they are for not wanting a paint.

If you like your horse and what it looks like, that is all that matters. Just understand that not everyone has the same taste as you. It is not a personal attack on you or your horse, just preference.
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Tilt The Kilt - 2015-03-12 5:08 PM Her loss.  I got a lot of looks in the jumper ring when I showed a very large loud App all over the country back in the 80's - he also had no tail and no mane.  (I didn't have to get up at 3 am to braid - WIN!).  He was a fabulous jumper and had a tricky style, he bloodied the nose of many other riders, including the riders who had to trade horses with me in medal classes and hadn't know of him prior.



I wouldn't have traded him for the world back then.  Anyone judging a horse on color or anedotal stories alone...pretty much tells you what their level of true horsemanship is.  

You are really going to judge someones Horsemanship on the fact they won't buy an appy? For me it is a business move. I can sell an ugly QH for twice what I can sell a beautiful Appy for (in my area at least). I mentioned in a previous post that I grew up on 2 Appy's and still own the 23yr old son of one of them. But I won't ever buy another Appy for resale purposes. If I found one that fit the bill for a kids horse, sure. But I don't judge those that don't buy sorrels etc. I have been in the business long enough to know that 90% of the time color helps sell. Whether they have too much, or none at all.  
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Buyers are super picky and stubborn! I've had people turn down horses because they are an exact hand shorter than what they want even if the horse worked great for them! My friend had someone return her palomino because it changed colors! You just have to laugh and don't take it personally!
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Crowned Image - 2015-03-13 10:52 AM I just love my appy :) One of the grittiest horses I've ever met in my life. When you take him at face value I understand how most don't want to deal with him or other apps for that matter. Once you start working WITH him and not against him he can take you wherever you want to go. And I think he's pretty, I wish he had some more color though! If people don't want to deal, whatever, they don't know what they are missing with your guy ;) I'm also picky though... only geldings, 15.2 minimum, The more color the better (but of course I have two solids, I was hoping when I bought my app that he'd develop some spots since he was kind of young... I was wrong..BOO!)
 This is the whole point. Appy owners get mad because not everyone thinks their horse is a pretty, or not everyone likes Apps. Sorrel owners get a little ****y when someone doesn't like their horse's color. Paint owners want to try to tell everyone how wrong they are for not wanting a paint.



If you like your horse and what it looks like, that is all that matters. Just understand that not everyone has the same taste as you. It is not a personal attack on you or your horse, just preference.

Everyone has a preference, unfortunately it stinks when their preference isn't in your favor.  I'm just saying that I like apps, I think they are pretty and I like the typical app with the complex brains and you are kind of guarenteed youre going to get some good grit in too.  I also like my good solid QH, and I would die to get my loud paint back.

No butthurt required!
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Crowned Image - 2015-03-13 10:52 AM I just love my appy :) One of the grittiest horses I've ever met in my life. When you take him at face value I understand how most don't want to deal with him or other apps for that matter. Once you start working WITH him and not against him he can take you wherever you want to go. And I think he's pretty, I wish he had some more color though! If people don't want to deal, whatever, they don't know what they are missing with your guy ;) I'm also picky though... only geldings, 15.2 minimum, The more color the better (but of course I have two solids, I was hoping when I bought my app that he'd develop some spots since he was kind of young... I was wrong..BOO!)
 This is the whole point. Appy owners get mad because not everyone thinks their horse is a pretty, or not everyone likes Apps. Sorrel owners get a little ****y when someone doesn't like their horse's color. Paint owners want to try to tell everyone how wrong they are for not wanting a paint.



If you like your horse and what it looks like, that is all that matters. Just understand that not everyone has the same taste as you. It is not a personal attack on you or your horse, just preference.
Everyone has a preference, unfortunately it stinks when their preference isn't in your favor.  I'm just saying that I like apps, I think they are pretty and I like the typical app with the complex brains and you are kind of guarenteed youre going to get some good grit in too.  I also like my good solid QH, and I would die to get my loud paint back.



No butthurt required!

 I wasn't meaning that snarky towards you. Just pointing out that you said you think your horse is pretty... and that is all that matters.
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I've been waiting for Amy or someone on here to mention Lena may
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astreakinchic - 2015-03-13 11:49 AM I've been waiting for Amy or someone on here to mention Lena may

I was thinking the same thing. 
 
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Theres not a breed out there I wouldnt consider within reason. Obivously there are breeds not build for barrels but I would consider them for something else. Ive personally never had an app I didnt like. I never owned them but they were training horses of mine or ones in on consignment. The ones on barrels were wicked quick! One was off the track and I wont lie one of the ugliest horses Ive ever seen. She was the color of a mule, that mousy color and then with spots and just not real pretty but she was a jam up 1D horse with an experienced rider. The other was more of a roan and he won for many many many teenagers throughout his years. I also had a appy ranch gelding who was as quiet as they come. Pretty too.

Here in MN I can think of at least 10 that have been the top of the field for years, some are retired now. And the other ones around here that I know of are quiet and plucky peewee horses.

To the OP, people are narrow minded. I love my QH and Appendix horses but oneday Ill have an app of my own. A paint too! And a gray one and a bay one! LOL
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Itsme - 2015-03-13 10:50 AM Can you honestly tell me this isnt pretty...




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I used to have some breed bias based on negative experiences with certain breeds. In college, I rode anything and everything and quickly learned that a good horse can be any breed, color, or sex. I have Arabians so I get a lot of flack from folks that aren't familiar with the breed. Sometimes people just believe the hype.
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astreakinchic - 2015-03-13 11:49 AM

I've been waiting for Amy or someone on here to mention Lena may

There was another Troubled Memories mare who won 4k at Patriot futurity a couple weeks ago. I stalk Trouble horses because I have a 2 year old filly by him. and I LOVE her.
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astreakinchic - 2015-03-13 11:49 AM

I've been waiting for Amy or someone on here to mention Lena may

There was another Troubled Memories mare who won 4k at Patriot futurity a couple weeks ago. I stalk Trouble horses because I have a 2 year old filly by him. and I LOVE her.

post her!

I don't care what color or breed that sucker is if it'll clock. Don't care if it's an ugly two bit app pony. I've always wanted a big ole leopard app just so i could name it spot but the SO said he'd not allow it in the barn *throws sucker in dirt*

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astreakinchic - 2015-03-13 11:49 AM I've been waiting for Amy or someone on here to mention Lena may
There was another Troubled Memories mare who won 4k at Patriot futurity a couple weeks ago. I stalk Trouble horses because I have a 2 year old filly by him. and I LOVE her.

Here is a 2 year old by TM. He's the baby in my avatar. 

 
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wyoming barrel racer - 2015-03-13 11:08 AM
Tilt The Kilt - 2015-03-12 5:08 PM Her loss.  I got a lot of looks in the jumper ring when I showed a very large loud App all over the country back in the 80's - he also had no tail and no mane.  (I didn't have to get up at 3 am to braid - WIN!).  He was a fabulous jumper and had a tricky style, he bloodied the nose of many other riders, including the riders who had to trade horses with me in medal classes and hadn't know of him prior.

I wouldn't have traded him for the world back then.  Anyone judging a horse on color or anedotal stories alone...pretty much tells you what their level of true horsemanship is.  
You are really going to judge someones Horsemanship on the fact they won't buy an appy? For me it is a business move. I can sell an ugly QH for twice what I can sell a beautiful Appy for (in my area at least). I mentioned in a previous post that I grew up on 2 Appy's and still own the 23yr old son of one of them. But I won't ever buy another Appy for resale purposes. If I found one that fit the bill for a kids horse, sure. But I don't judge those that don't buy sorrels etc. I have been in the business long enough to know that 90% of the time color helps sell. Whether they have too much, or none at all.  


Yes if as I said, they are flat fast turning something down based on color alone with no consideration of the proven ability and accomplishments of the horse.  

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You can't hold it against people when it comes to preferences, it's a free country and the nice part about having lots to choose from. I sold a yearling to a friend of mine and someone at her barn ripped him apart saying how horrible he was and how he would never grow, etc. She liked the tall warm blood, half workhorse types and this horse was a reining/working cow bred Q/H. The owner thought after listening to her that she made a mistake, I said what do you want to do... rein (she told me she wanted to get into it) or jump/dressage; I said I would buy him back if need be. Needless to say she kept the reiner and now thinks the chick is crazy because she loves everything about him. Her 5 year old daughter can lead and play around him too. He is finishing out 15hh now and everyone's happy.

I personally would love to add a loud spotted appy to my heard for personal use, I likely wouldn't breed for resale due to the demand but I love them. I am very picky about their bloodlines as well and will test them (5 panel, and pssm type 2) due to some reading I've done on health history with the breed.

To each their own.

ETA: Give me the perfect paint and I'd take it too... I am just very picky about my stock and no one should take offense about my preferences.

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astreakinchic - 2015-03-13 11:49 AM I've been waiting for Amy or someone on here to mention Lena may
There was another Troubled Memories mare who won 4k at Patriot futurity a couple weeks ago. I stalk Trouble horses because I have a 2 year old filly by him. and I LOVE her.

Here is a 2 year old by TM. He's the baby in my avatar. 

 

I had a feeling he was a Trouble baby when you commented in this thread a few pages back that he was an appy without spots. Troubled Memories is the only race bred app I know that throws solids. I would post a pic of my filly, but it won't let me. She's solid red with a dot of white between her eyes. I was actually hoping for some spots. I enjoy watching colored horses run. I like paints too obviously. BUT of course, my mare in my avatar had a sorrel when I bred her to Smoke N Sparks. Lol I was just meant to have sorrels I guess. This is my fillys pedigree - http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shezalottatrouble . What's your boys pedigree?
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I love apps.  I had a really neat one years ago .  He was the only horse I have ever sold that I regreted  selling, but at the time I had to cut back and he sold first..   I mostly  have had geldings, but have had 4 really nice mares, one a paint mare I  have now.  When my husband was growing up everone said  paints  were crazy.Of course that  is not true, rank horses come in all colors. Have had great gelding,& stupid geldings.  I will look at most anything to see it matches up with my personality.  I don't judge by sex or color, but I guess some do,  but like Kim said (Trailgirl)  Their loss  

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astreakinchic - 2015-03-13 11:49 AM I've been waiting for Amy or someone on here to mention Lena may
There was another Troubled Memories mare who won 4k at Patriot futurity a couple weeks ago. I stalk Trouble horses because I have a 2 year old filly by him. and I LOVE her.
Here is a 2 year old by TM. He's the baby in my avatar. 



 
I had a feeling he was a Trouble baby when you commented in this thread a few pages back that he was an appy without spots. Troubled Memories is the only race bred app I know that throws solids. I would post a pic of my filly, but it won't let me. She's solid red with a dot of white between her eyes. I was actually hoping for some spots. I enjoy watching colored horses run. I like paints too obviously. BUT of course, my mare in my avatar had a sorrel when I bred her to Smoke N Sparks. Lol I was just meant to have sorrels I guess. This is my fillys pedigree - http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shezalottatrouble . What's your boys pedigree?

I actually sold him as a weanling to a gal in PA. She adores him. These colts seem to be super sweet.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/im+leaving+with+hank 
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This is a friend of mines stallion, he's deceased now, but most of their rope horses are sons & daughters of his!!

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One day I would love to own a loud colored app but it must have a tail and mane.  I have seen some that are really fast!  Kristen Weaver ran one that the NFR and he was a cool dude.  I would also take a paint.  I don't care what they are as long as they are good looking.

I probably will never own anther grey horse ever!  Every one I have had as had a screw or two loose.  Will never own anther Beduino either....  
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Every time I went for beauty in a horse {Quarter} like color, they were always a nut case or would cripple up, so now all I have out here are browns and sorrel's and bay. My beautiful pally colt that I bought as a yearling has navicular so he gets to spent the rest of his life in my pasture.
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Horses involve a lot of time, effort and money, so why should anyone commit to an animal of a size, shape, color, breed etc. that does not fit the program they envision for themselves.  

If people like a type or breed that is less popular that is fine, but please do not get offended if it is not my preference and DO NOT try to cram your choices down my throat. 
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I have always had appaloosas always! Why ride a horse that is a generic color when you can have a horse that flashes when he runs. My bias, no mares, got to have color and breeding!!
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I respect and admire good horses regardless of breed, color or sex. I would never cull a horse from purchase because of breed or color -- if the horse meets my needs, he or she can come home with me. I've owned and ridden some mighty nice Quarter Horses and some mighty nice Appaloosas. An Appaloosa put me through college via a rodeo scholarship and assisted me and the other team members in winning two straight NIRA Regional Team Championships. He was coal black with a white blanket with big black spots, had a star and white tips on his ears. He attracted attention. Totally. Of course the color got everyone's attention, then he did his job and he had everyone's respect. He ran barrel times right with the girls who were running WPRA and he was a way above-average rope horse. I also won several reining championships riding him and lots of team ropings. And, he was one of the best goat horses to have ever walked into the pen. His nickname in the rodeo world was Cash Register. I have even had an extremely nice Paint mare that was a scorpion of a barrel horse and a 19-second pole horse. Right now I have a Warmblood in my barn - a very nice mare. Love her. You can purchase a lot of quality for a good price when looking at the colorful ponies... and that's not a bad thing for those on a budget who want to win. A few years back I bought a very nice Appaloosa gelding out of a girl's backyard in Kentucky.... 14 months later he won a World Championship on his first out at the world show and has gone on to win many world and national titles. He oozed potential..... and for $1800 we put him in a trailer and headed home -- and told the seller that we were going to "win the world" with him which we certainly did many times.... being a certain breed and / or paying big prices does not guarantee anything... I stay open-minded to breeds and possibilities -- this attitude has taken me lots of fun places and placed me on the back of some incredible horses that carried me to great wins and great memories.
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SC Wrangler - 2015-03-13 6:58 PM

Horses involve a lot of time, effort and money, so why should anyone commit to an animal of a size, shape, color, breed etc. that does not fit the program they envision for themselves.  

If people like a type or breed that is less popular that is fine, but please do not get offended if it is not my preference and DO NOT try to cram your choices down my throat. 

I agree with SC Wrangler. However I bought an App filly on purpose. I saw Troubled Memories when he stood down here. I wanted my sister to breed her Flaming Jet mare to him. He was by far the best looking, heaviest boned stud Dr. Wilkinson stood at the time. She wouldn't because he was an App. I love my filly, she is really level headed and sweet. Can hardly wait to get her broke. Oh, and she has the app characteristics. Not thrilled about the mottled skin around her eyes but I do like her roan/app color.
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All my life as long as I can remember it was an appaloosa I wanted to ride, I can remember seeing Navajo Joe on the front of Western Horseman when I was about 8 or nine and I was in love. Never considered riding anything else, funny I never thought about it being unusual, a good appaloosa barrelhorse was hard to find and when I saw him he was so beautiful, I told the seller I don't care if he never runs barrels (he was a good barrel horse! ) Everybody loved him, he was such a great horse, mind, body temperament!!
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I did not read all the responses but I WILL take everyone's Appaloosas and Paints. Just send them my way
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I have ridden Well broke primo , well bred appys. I have broke appys and barrel raced appys. I even love a loud appy. But I will put it this way. I am looking for a loud large full mane and tail appy stud black with big spots across the rump. But I have yet to find a "Good" one. As a Nez Perce would say I will keep looking. Truly I don't mind a good app just not my cup of tea.
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I love my app. He is awesome. He run in the woods with 6 dogs running up behind him, stopping in front of him, and throwing up deer without balking. He always takes care of me in the arena as well. My trainer loved him....said he was smart and honest. He will always be my special "Bob" (Magnolia Moon River), and if I could find another one like him...I would buy another app in a heart beat. That is him in my avatar.



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I have been riding for 62 years. We had an App that we raised. The only time that I have been hurt bad enough to be hospitalized was riding him. I broke him, as I have done all of my horses. The more you rode him the goofier he got. We sold him cheap. Don't think I will have another.

Obviously, I own a paint. He has never figured out that he is a paint. He almost did figure it out at the World Paint Horse Show, but not quite.
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Rolling J - 2015-03-13 8:19 PM I did not read all the responses but I WILL take everyone's Appaloosas and Paints. Just send them my way

Sadly, I sold Spook and Captain Hook in the 80's, but if I hadn't, they'd be on a trailer headed to you yesterday lol. 
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Back in the 1980's appy's were an up and coming breed and had a lot of followers but meanwhile the appy horse club went crazy with color only this and that and no color can't be registered and can't do this and that and all kinds of crap ... just pull up their rule book and you will see why people do not want to mess with the appy association with all of their innuendo's and of course their shows can't pull enough horses to get any points even if they are a leopard appy ...
I owned an appy blanketed mare by Joker B .. and bred her to a qh Go Zipp Go and had a filly with a big half body blanket ... appy club kept messing around with this and that and on and on until I had $700+ in nonsense fees .. I filled out the same paperwork a 100 times .... so I just gave the mare and filly away

APHA .... AMERICAN PAINT HORSE ASSOCIATION .... FINANCIAL REPORT ..
The paint horse association is in a downhill spiral with the number of remaining members and registrations due to the same stupidity with color only can do this and that .... 37% of their registrations are solid colored paints who they treat like step kids and are headed for the same demise as the appy horse club ... you never know what new rule pertaining to color APHA is going to do tomorrow for instant implementation which omits 3 years of previous breeding going by the previous rules ... breeders can't take the losses when we all know at the best odds is a 50-50 chance of throwing color even with all colored horses in the pedigree ... I almost had to give away a solid paint daughter of Dash For Perks to get her gone ... I do not own any paints now because of the color rules of APHA ..

Look at their last financial report on memberships, registrations, percentages of color etc etc .. pay particular attention to pages 25 and and 28 to see how the membership and registrations have fallen from 2009 to 2013 .... keep in mind their show numbers are created by combining shows, forced entries and double counting ...
Barrel racers are all too familiar with the recent rule change prohibiting solid paints to be included in the PAC side pots for paints .... and race trackers just got hit with another instant rule on solids have to have double the number of paint parents vs a colored foal to compete on the track ...
READ AND WEEP ...
PAGES 25 AND 28 ...
http://press.apha.com/pdfs/annualreports/2013annualreport.pdf

The simple truth for both associations is to stop the color nonsense, close their books to TB's, quarterhorses, and cropouts and let solids and coloreds compete on the same level in the same classes as long as they have one registered paint in their pedigrees .... no full bloodied qh's etc etc ...

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The ApHC has had a good plan for solids for at least the last 10 years or so. You now just buy a permit if your horse is solid and go ahead and show. Our shows are very good sized with most of our basic classes being 2 points as a rule and our Open gaming classes running in the 4-5 point zone. Youth a NP being in the  3-4 point area. You might want to take another look at the ApHC we have come along way since the late 80's early 90's.
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UTAHCANCHASER - 2015-03-13 2:42 PM One day I would love to own a loud colored app but it must have a tail and mane.  I have seen some that are really fast!  Kristen Weaver ran one that the NFR and he was a cool dude.  I would also take a paint.  I don't care what they are as long as they are good looking.



I probably will never own anther grey horse ever!  Every one I have had as had a screw or two loose.  Will never own anther Beduino either....  

Have you ever noticed grey horses are only good after they turn white? 
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I love appys and paints...but will only own mares after having my gelding and mare as my only two horses.  So if someone has a fancy paint or appy that loves geldings let me know.  LOL.   They are harder to sell though and that is the only reason I have stayed away from them.  My dream horse is a running bred leapord appy.  :)

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