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Location: texas | ok I now realize what I have to do. I didn't think it was that bad bc ive seen it happen to a lot of other people as well. but he only rears when he gets spooked. which that means I need to do some desensitization. And im not gonna sell Mojo (my horse) I just kept letting him get away with little things (that I didn't really notice) and overall it has leaded to this. im gonna start doing ALOT of ground work. I appreciate all the concern and ideas! im 15 and have been riding for about 7 or 8 years. this isn't my first horse either. and also im pretty sure the feed Im giving him makes him 20 times more hot headed and hot. im gonna be taking this very serious now and im gonna make him mind me if it takes every last breath in my body. ive been taught not to throw in the towel and give up. my trainer says this horse can be running 14's and has the potential to be a SUPERRRRR nice horse. and I cant give up on him! like I said he is only this way when cooped up for a while other wise he is perfect and the calmest horse. I een let a 7 year old ride him and he was a little angel! thanks for everything! |
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Location: Phoenix | I would definitely stop giving him grain. When it is dry enough to ride, I would be doing 2-a-days. Lunge him in the morning, then saddle him up and then ride him again after school. I've had to do this many times with my gelding in the spring. He was never dangerous, just really on the muscle and this helps a lot. Clinton Anderson's episodes are now online so would definitely be watching those while its muddy, good luck and be safe! |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | Yup I'd cut his grain for sure and if you can handle him enough maybe hand walk him for 15-20 or longer just to get him out, I go stir crazy in my house I can't imagine what a poor horse thinks being cooped up fed lots of sugar for a long time. If it doesn't help him at least settle a bit I would pull a 5 panel on him and if need be a PSSM type 2... Just a thought as well. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | Ashlen1515 - 2015-03-14 11:29 AM
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I would definitely stop giving him grain. When it is dry enough to ride, I would be doing 2-a-days. Lunge him in the morning, then saddle him up and then ride him again after school. I've had to do this many times with my gelding in the spring. He was never dangerous, just really on the muscle and this helps a lot. Clinton Anderson's episodes are now online so would definitely be watching those while its muddy, good luck and be safe!
well if I take him completely off grain when the weather is bad couldn't that make him colic?? and yes I would love to be able to go out to the barn in the morning before school but my parents wont let me sadly. they hardly let me go after school. they only let me go out there on Mondays and Wednesdays and then Thursdays to load him up for the jackpot and go run him. then on Saturdays to take him to the trainer. and the trainer has helped out a lot. he doesn't get on the horse. he instructs me what to do hen he misbehaves so ill know what to do. the trainer has also helped me with the pattern. its been I think like 3 months that ive been using this trainer and ive already taken off 2 seconds off my running times: ) PM me?
Give them more hay and less grain. It will also help keep him busy and less likely to develop a vice out of bordem too. |
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Location: texas | ndiehl - 2015-03-14 11:30 AM
Yup I'd cut his grain for sure and if you can handle him enough maybe hand walk him for 15-20 or longer just to get him out, I go stir crazy in my house I can't imagine what a poor horse thinks being cooped up fed lots of sugar for a long time. If it doesn't help him at least settle a bit I would pull a 5 panel on him and if need be a PSSM type 2... Just a thought as well.
yes ive been hand walking him up and down the hallway of the barn and ive been doing the Clinton Anderson method of backing them out of personal space and I backed him up of a total of about 20 minutes and he finally got it in like 3 mintues and he just backed up on his own. ans what do you mean 5 panel him? and PSSM type 2? lol whats that? |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Ashlen1515 - 2015-03-14 11:29 AM hammer_time - 2015-03-14 11:17 AM I would definitely stop giving him grain. When it is dry enough to ride, I would be doing 2-a-days. Lunge him in the morning, then saddle him up and then ride him again after school. I've had to do this many times with my gelding in the spring. He was never dangerous, just really on the muscle and this helps a lot. Clinton Anderson's episodes are now online so would definitely be watching those while its muddy, good luck and be safe! well if I take him completely off grain when the weather is bad couldn't that make him colic?? and yes I would love to be able to go out to the barn in the morning before school but my parents wont let me sadly. they hardly let me go after school. they only let me go out there on Mondays and Wednesdays and then Thursdays to load him up for the jackpot and go run him. then on Saturdays to take him to the trainer. and the trainer has helped out a lot. he doesn't get on the horse. he instructs me what to do hen he misbehaves so ill know what to do. the trainer has also helped me with the pattern. its been I think like 3 months that ive been using this trainer and ive already taken off 2 seconds off my running times: ) PM me?
So am I correct in that you only ride the horse to run and train? Or do you get to ride on Monday and Wednesdays also? Sorry I apparently missed your first post and not real sure what you mean about the above statement.
I would not stop his grain all at once. As the above poster stated, start decreasing the grain slowly, to the point of stopping, and up the hay. Our horses get very little grain and they are all fat and healthy. I do keep a mineral block available when free will for them. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | Ashlen1515 - 2015-03-14 11:39 AM
ndiehl - 2015-03-14 11:30 AM
Yup I'd cut his grain for sure and if you can handle him enough maybe hand walk him for 15-20 or longer just to get him out, I go stir crazy in my house I can't imagine what a poor horse thinks being cooped up fed lots of sugar for a long time. If it doesn't help him at least settle a bit I would pull a 5 panel on him and if need be a PSSM type 2... Just a thought as well.
yes ive been hand walking him up and down the hallway of the barn and ive been doing the Clinton Anderson method of backing them out of personal space and I backed him up of a total of about 20 minutes and he finally got it in like 3 mintues and he just backed up on his own. ans what do you mean 5 panel him? and PSSM type 2? lol whats that?
It's the genetic dieseases that can cause problems in horses. I would be most concerned with the Polysaccharide Storage Myopathy (PSSM type 1 and 2) but first I would just try cutting the grain out slowly to see if it helps. He sounds hyped up with tons of energy and no where to use it; but if he is still aggressive he may be also telling you he's in pain.
http://www.horsetesting.com/Equine/Genetic_Disease/PSSM.asp
Keep working with him on the ground as much as you can to help him respect you more. That is if you feel safe.
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Location: texas | ndiehl - 2015-03-14 12:01 PM
Ashlen1515 - 2015-03-14 11:39 AM
ndiehl - 2015-03-14 11:30 AM
Yup I'd cut his grain for sure and if you can handle him enough maybe hand walk him for 15-20 or longer just to get him out, I go stir crazy in my house I can't imagine what a poor horse thinks being cooped up fed lots of sugar for a long time. If it doesn't help him at least settle a bit I would pull a 5 panel on him and if need be a PSSM type 2... Just a thought as well.
yes ive been hand walking him up and down the hallway of the barn and ive been doing the Clinton Anderson method of backing them out of personal space and I backed him up of a total of about 20 minutes and he finally got it in like 3 mintues and he just backed up on his own. ans what do you mean 5 panel him? and PSSM type 2? lol whats that?
It's the genetic dieseases that can cause problems in horses. I would be most concerned with the Polysaccharide Storage Myopathy (PSSM type 1 and 2 ) but first I would just try cutting the grain out slowly to see if it helps. He sounds hyped up with tons of energy and no where to use it; but if he is still aggressive he may be also telling you he's in pain.
http://www.horsetesting.com/Equine/Genetic_Disease/PSSM.asp
Keep working with him on the ground as much as you can to help him respect you more. That is if you feel safe.
he has had his teeth done recently aand getting them done again tomorrow actually. he gets regular chiropractic work. has had a full body vet check and was sound as can be. BUT the chiro said is very stout and muscular and had wither a rib pain from the shape of the saddle and shpuld get regular chiro work and be stretched and he should be perfect. anything I can do to not make his withers sore? maybe like massage around them? I give him a 30 minute massage the days I haul him to jackpots |
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Location: texas | Rolling J - 2015-03-14 11:45 AM
Ashlen1515 - 2015-03-14 11:29 AM hammer_time - 2015-03-14 11:17 AM I would definitely stop giving him grain. When it is dry enough to ride, I would be doing 2-a-days. Lunge him in the morning, then saddle him up and then ride him again after school. I've had to do this many times with my gelding in the spring. He was never dangerous, just really on the muscle and this helps a lot. Clinton Anderson's episodes are now online so would definitely be watching those while its muddy, good luck and be safe! well if I take him completely off grain when the weather is bad couldn't that make him colic?? and yes I would love to be able to go out to the barn in the morning before school but my parents wont let me sadly. they hardly let me go after school. they only let me go out there on Mondays and Wednesdays and then Thursdays to load him up for the jackpot and go run him. then on Saturdays to take him to the trainer. and the trainer has helped out a lot. he doesn't get on the horse. he instructs me what to do hen he misbehaves so ill know what to do. the trainer has also helped me with the pattern. its been I think like 3 months that ive been using this trainer and ive already taken off 2 seconds off my running times: ) PM me?
So am I correct in that you only ride the horse to run and train? Or do you get to ride on Monday and Wednesdays also? Sorry I apparently missed your first post and not real sure what you mean about the above statement. I would not stop his grain all at once. As the above poster stated, start decreasing the grain slowly, to the point of stopping, and up the hay. Our horses get very little grain and they are all fat and healthy. I do keep a mineral block available when free will for them.
I ride him on Mondays and Wednesdays. Before I ride him I saddle him and do some ground work in the round pen such and switching direction, stopping, yielding hindquarters and flexing then I either A.) just plain ole excersize him in the arena such as walking extended trotting a lot, roll backs. flexing B.)do some trail riding in the pasture C.) or do slow work on barrels, nothing more than extend trotting. but thats rare that I work on barrels due to the fact he knows them by heart now. And correct im the only one that rides him unless I go out of town and need someone to work him for me. when I go to the trainer I sort donkeys work on the pattern and work on basic things. |
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| I would look at taking him on a few "all day" trail rides. He might need to learn what it is to conserve energy. Maybe go with a group. I bet there is a large group of female trail riders in your area. Grass hay, and a few all day outings, he might be like a different animal. |
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| I would be kinda hot headed too if I had to spend that much time in a stall and the only time I was out was to work. |
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Location: Phoenix | If you still want him on grain, Renew Gold is great because it has more fat content than sugar content. Perfect for my gelding who likes to get wild and stupid and not able to focus. Switch it over gradually. I would see if you can convince your parents to let you come out on Friday or Sunday to ride and work with him, even if you have to pick up some extra chores. Explain he's feeling very fresh and needs the consistent work schedule. Hopefully once you turn 16 you'll be able to go out as often as you want.
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| I didn't read your first post … but I will add my experience with my horse. He came to me a little on the "thin" side. I added platinum to his grain at my vets recommendation. It made him down right mean! This is a horse that was stalled but regularly exercised. Took him off platinum and he went back to his normal self. I might add that this horse came to me with a history of abuse. He has a strong flight sense and was always on edge. Treated him for ulcers .. all great for a year or so. Fast forward to November of this year. At the end of the rodeo season, he needed some weight. I changed barns and there were no outside pens … only the indoor facility was available. So he went into the "Fancy" barn. I was giving him grain and renew gold and added some Exceed. He became so unhappy and after about a month, I couldn't even get my saddle on him. I had to round pen him to get him exercised and saddle him in the round pen so he wouldn't pull back. Discovered some saddle fit issues and went back to a treeless but I also took him off the exceed and convinced the barn that for safety purposes (mine and the barn hands) he needed to be outside. He's been outside for 2 months. I also treated him for ulcers. Today he was a nice, in my pocket type horse (he's never been that way). The "fancy barn" is made out of brick and the only other horses he could see is out the front gate. Now he can play with the other horses in the stall next to him. Long story short .. diet and environment matter. I agree with the comment regarding renew gold. I'm not riding much due to mommy duties …. and he doesn't get hot on renew gold. |
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Location: texas | azsun - 2015-03-14 9:14 PM
I didn't read your first post … but I will add my experience with my horse. He came to me a little on the "thin" side. I added platinum to his grain at my vets recommendation. It made him down right mean! This is a horse that was stalled but regularly exercised. Took him off platinum and he went back to his normal self. I might add that this horse came to me with a history of abuse. He has a strong flight sense and was always on edge. Treated him for ulcers .. all great for a year or so. Fast forward to November of this year. At the end of the rodeo season, he needed some weight. I changed barns and there were no outside pens … only the indoor facility was available. So he went into the "Fancy" barn. I was giving him grain and renew gold and added some Exceed. He became so unhappy and after about a month, I couldn't even get my saddle on him. I had to round pen him to get him exercised and saddle him in the round pen so he wouldn't pull back. Discovered some saddle fit issues and went back to a treeless but I also took him off the exceed and convinced the barn that for safety purposes (mine and the barn hands) he needed to be outside. He's been outside for 2 months. I also treated him for ulcers. Today he was a nice, in my pocket type horse (he's never been that way). The "fancy barn" is made out of brick and the only other horses he could see is out the front gate. Now he can play with the other horses in the stall next to him. Long story short .. diet and environment matter. I agree with the comment regarding renew gold. I'm not riding much due to mommy duties …. and he doesn't get hot on renew gold.
I looked and my feed stores don't have Renew Gold:(:(:(:(:(:( and then I saw the bag were like 60 dollars apiece...my dad would have a HEART ATTACK if he saw that price. the most we spend on 1 feed bag was 20 bucks.... |
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Location: Warsaw,NY | I didnt see your original post. But do u trail ride him at all? horses need relaxing rides also not just constant schooling and working. Just like us people we need down time. Trail riding will allow u to ride him and let him be able to be a horse and see different scenery and not to have to per say "work". It helps the horses mind also. All work and no play or relaxing can make them stir crazy also |
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azsun - 2015-03-14 9:14 PM
I didn't read your first post … but I will add my experience with my horse. He came to me a little on the "thin" side. I added platinum to his grain at my vets recommendation. It made him down right mean! This is a horse that was stalled but regularly exercised. Took him off platinum and he went back to his normal self. I might add that this horse came to me with a history of abuse. He has a strong flight sense and was always on edge. Treated him for ulcers .. all great for a year or so. Fast forward to November of this year. At the end of the rodeo season, he needed some weight. I changed barns and there were no outside pens … only the indoor facility was available. So he went into the "Fancy" barn. I was giving him grain and renew gold and added some Exceed. He became so unhappy and after about a month, I couldn't even get my saddle on him. I had to round pen him to get him exercised and saddle him in the round pen so he wouldn't pull back. Discovered some saddle fit issues and went back to a treeless but I also took him off the exceed and convinced the barn that for safety purposes (mine and the barn hands) he needed to be outside. He's been outside for 2 months. I also treated him for ulcers. Today he was a nice, in my pocket type horse (he's never been that way). The "fancy barn" is made out of brick and the only other horses he could see is out the front gate. Now he can play with the other horses in the stall next to him. Long story short .. diet and environment matter. I agree with the comment regarding renew gold. I'm not riding much due to mommy duties …. and he doesn't get hot on renew gold.
I looked and my feed stores don't have Renew Gold: (: (: (: (: (: ( and then I saw the bag were like 60 dollars apiece...my dad would have a HEART ATTACK if he saw that price. the most we spend on 1 feed bag was 20 bucks....
Where do you live? RG is about $27 a bag here in Arizona and … you feed less 32 oz a 30 lb bag should last you a month … if you feed the 32 oz. |
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Location: texas | azsun - 2015-03-14 10:29 PM
Ashlen1515 - 2015-03-14 9:34 PM
azsun - 2015-03-14 9:14 PM
I didn't read your first post … but I will add my experience with my horse. He came to me a little on the "thin" side. I added platinum to his grain at my vets recommendation. It made him down right mean! This is a horse that was stalled but regularly exercised. Took him off platinum and he went back to his normal self. I might add that this horse came to me with a history of abuse. He has a strong flight sense and was always on edge. Treated him for ulcers .. all great for a year or so. Fast forward to November of this year. At the end of the rodeo season, he needed some weight. I changed barns and there were no outside pens … only the indoor facility was available. So he went into the "Fancy" barn. I was giving him grain and renew gold and added some Exceed. He became so unhappy and after about a month, I couldn't even get my saddle on him. I had to round pen him to get him exercised and saddle him in the round pen so he wouldn't pull back. Discovered some saddle fit issues and went back to a treeless but I also took him off the exceed and convinced the barn that for safety purposes (mine and the barn hands) he needed to be outside. He's been outside for 2 months. I also treated him for ulcers. Today he was a nice, in my pocket type horse (he's never been that way). The "fancy barn" is made out of brick and the only other horses he could see is out the front gate. Now he can play with the other horses in the stall next to him. Long story short .. diet and environment matter. I agree with the comment regarding renew gold. I'm not riding much due to mommy duties …. and he doesn't get hot on renew gold.
I looked and my feed stores don't have Renew Gold: (: (: (: (: (: ( and then I saw the bag were like 60 dollars apiece...my dad would have a HEART ATTACK if he saw that price. the most we spend on 1 feed bag was 20 bucks....
Where do you live? RG is about $27 a bag here in Arizona and … you feed less 32 oz a 30 lb bag should last you a month … if you feed the 32 oz.
I live in rockwall texas. and we usually buy 50 lb bags of grain |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Ashlen1515 - 2015-03-14 12:29 PM
Rolling J - 2015-03-14 11:45 AM
Ashlen1515 - 2015-03-14 11:29 AM hammer_time - 2015-03-14 11:17 AM I would definitely stop giving him grain. When it is dry enough to ride, I would be doing 2-a-days. Lunge him in the morning, then saddle him up and then ride him again after school. I've had to do this many times with my gelding in the spring. He was never dangerous, just really on the muscle and this helps a lot. Clinton Anderson's episodes are now online so would definitely be watching those while its muddy, good luck and be safe! well if I take him completely off grain when the weather is bad couldn't that make him colic?? and yes I would love to be able to go out to the barn in the morning before school but my parents wont let me sadly. they hardly let me go after school. they only let me go out there on Mondays and Wednesdays and then Thursdays to load him up for the jackpot and go run him. then on Saturdays to take him to the trainer. and the trainer has helped out a lot. he doesn't get on the horse. he instructs me what to do hen he misbehaves so ill know what to do. the trainer has also helped me with the pattern. its been I think like 3 months that ive been using this trainer and ive already taken off 2 seconds off my running times: ) PM me?
So am I correct in that you only ride the horse to run and train? Or do you get to ride on Monday and Wednesdays also? Sorry I apparently missed your first post and not real sure what you mean about the above statement. I would not stop his grain all at once. As the above poster stated, start decreasing the grain slowly, to the point of stopping, and up the hay. Our horses get very little grain and they are all fat and healthy. I do keep a mineral block available when free will for them.
I ride him on Mondays and Wednesdays. Before I ride him I saddle him and do some ground work in the round pen such and switching direction, stopping, yielding hindquarters and flexing then I either A. ) just plain ole excersize him in the arena such as walking extended trotting a lot, roll backs. flexing B. )do some trail riding in the pasture C. ) or do slow work on barrels, nothing more than extend trotting. but thats rare that I work on barrels due to the fact he knows them by heart now. And correct im the only one that rides him unless I go out of town and need someone to work him for me. when I go to the trainer I sort donkeys work on the pattern and work on basic things.
 Sounds like a good plan you have here. Have to say though never heard of sorting donkeys. LOL. Sounds like fun |
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| You said chiro says he has sore withers and ribs from saddle fit. He shouldn't need to be adjusted regularly.
You need to change this ASAP, get a different saddle, try a different saddle pad till you can get a properly fitting saddle.
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Location: Centerburg, OH | I think you are doing great and learning tons. It is very hard not keeping them in your back yard but you also have advantages. Is there anyway he can be boarded outside. Like a paddock and shed? Really this would be ideal. Can u get a couple opinions on your saddle and pad fit. I cant imagine that he should need so much chiro and massage work. Good for you for working through this and learning. Life will be easier now that spring is here. |
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Location: texas | hezasmashnsixcess - 2015-03-14 10:25 PM
I didnt see your original post. But do u trail ride him at all? horses need relaxing rides also not just constant schooling and working. Just like us people we need down time. Trail riding will allow u to ride him and let him be able to be a horse and see different scenery and not to have to per say "work". It helps the horses mind also. All work and no play or relaxing can make them stir crazy also
YESSS. I go on trails in the pasture all the time. he loves it! he even followed a butterfly for 2 miles...hahahaha |
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UPDATE ON THE HORSE WHO IS DANGEROUS WHEN COOPED UP!!!