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Location: ND | I don't feed either. I feed a mix of oats, corn, alfalfa pellets & beet pulp. |
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| What you are calling sweet feed is actually textured feed. I have fed pelleted feed for the past 35 years. There was a span of about 3 years she I fed extruded feed. The company suddenly decided to quit making feeds so I went back to pellets. |
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Location: North Dakota | Sweet feed it terrible for horses and there is no circumstance in which it should be a main component of a horse's diet. Pelleted feeds range from being very good to very bad. Cereal grains like oats, corn, barley, etc. are high in starches and/or sugars, which horses do not digest well. These high starch/sugar diets can cause or contribute to excess energy/hotness, colic, obesity, laminitis, and troubles with PSSM horses. Sweet feeds and many pelleted feeds are made out of these grains. Lower quality pelleted feeds can even have the formulation changed from batch to batch, depending on what the feed company can get for the cheapest.
The best diet for your horse comes from good forage -- grass and/or hay. Soaked beet pulp can be added as an additional fiber source for horses that need some weight put on them. If they still need additional calories, fat, or protein, adding alfalfa (long stem, soaked cubes, or pellets) and/or feeds made out of stabilized rice bran and stabilized flax are great. My personal favorite feed is Renew Gold, which is made from the rice bran and flax as well as coconut. Coconut oil is very good for horses and this feed provides a healthy, high fat diet that only needs to be fed at a rate of about 1lb per day (give or take a bit) and won't make horses hot. There are also straight up rice bran pellets. I have one horse that won't eat the Renew Gold so he gets 1lb Max-e-Glow rice bran pellets a day. They both get alfalfa pellets as well as grass hay and necessary supplements. If it weren't for one of them having some unrelated issues right now, they'd both be looking shiny, fat, and sassy! |
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Location: Kansas | Bigfoot - 2015-03-16 10:57 PM IMHO, most pellets are a byproduct. It's like a hotdog, you wouldn't buy it if you saw what was in it.
I'd still eat a hotdog.......
I feed ultium, and a pound of sweet feed mixed in the ultium because he gets a powdered supplement...if I don't mix the sweet feed in, he wouldn't touch it. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | Sweet feed is TERRIBLE for horses and their digestive system. Corn is also bad. You need a low starch, high fat feed. Look into Renew Gold. I've fed it for years to horses of all ages and its the best! |
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Location: Kentucky | I've recently switched to Tribute Kalm N' EZ pellets. I really like them. I don't like feeding molasses and corn, which is what a lot of sweet feed is. To me, sweet feed is junk food. Sweet feed can also agitate ulcer prone horses. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | I just feed beet pulp and alfalfa pellets with a multi-vitamin. |
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Location: Central TX | I switched from Ultium (sweet feed) to Patriot (pelleted). I like both... can't see a difference in my horses since switching but my bank account has taken a change for the better with the switch. |
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Location: Kansas | Ultium is a sweet feed? |
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Location: Whitney, NE | I call anything with molasses in the ingredients a sweet feed. Some are pelleted, some not. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-17 3:45 AM Sweet feed it terrible for horses and there is no circumstance in which it should be a main component of a horse's diet. Pelleted feeds range from being very good to very bad. Cereal grains like oats, corn, barley, etc. are high in starches and/or sugars, which horses do not digest well. These high starch/sugar diets can cause or contribute to excess energy/hotness, colic, obesity, laminitis, and troubles with PSSM horses. Sweet feeds and many pelleted feeds are made out of these grains. Lower quality pelleted feeds can even have the formulation changed from batch to batch, depending on what the feed company can get for the cheapest.
The best diet for your horse comes from good forage -- grass and/or hay. Soaked beet pulp can be added as an additional fiber source for horses that need some weight put on them. If they still need additional calories, fat, or protein, adding alfalfa (long stem, soaked cubes, or pellets) and/or feeds made out of stabilized rice bran and stabilized flax are great. My personal favorite feed is Renew Gold, which is made from the rice bran and flax as well as coconut. Coconut oil is very good for horses and this feed provides a healthy, high fat diet that only needs to be fed at a rate of about 1lb per day (give or take a bit) and won't make horses hot. There are also straight up rice bran pellets. I have one horse that won't eat the Renew Gold so he gets 1lb Max-e-Glow rice bran pellets a day. They both get alfalfa pellets as well as grass hay and necessary supplements. If it weren't for one of them having some unrelated issues right now, they'd both be looking shiny, fat, and sassy!
It depends on which discipline you are talking about-- "sweet" feed is the main feed that racehorses eat in our region. I know this for a fact.
As far as pellets being a by product, or floor sweepings that also is untrue. It is like baking a cake with whole ingredients, wheat, corn, oats and molasses as an example for a binder. Molasses nor corn are the devil. But in horses that arent used to burn that energy- it very well could not be good. Like Michael Phelps, he eats WAY MORE CARBS than you and I should but he is an athlete. |
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Location: Phoenix | I feed Renew Gold. My horse does not need all that starch and sugar!!!!! |
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Location: North Dakota | The older I get the more I shy away from "grain" and believe in good quality hay. For example, my horses now get about a pound of woodys sweet 12-it is sticky and yummy, a cup of flax and all the best 3rd cutting alfalfa grass hay they can handle! Much lower cost AND they seem to be doing better than ever, as for the pellets, I've never had much luck with any of mine liking to eat them. My feed volume is very low, hay weight is high, the feed is really just for a treat to get them to come in and give them their flax.
I also find it time consuming to wait around for a horse to eat 4-6 pounds of feed morning and night-seems like a lot of wasted time. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 9:10 AM I switched from Ultium (sweet feed) to Patriot (pelleted). I like both... can't see a difference in my horses since switching but my bank account has taken a change for the better with the switch.
Please read up on ADM and the milling issues that they are ignoring. http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/lab-adm-equine-feed-contaminated-in-alabama.aspx |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-17 7:12 AM
Ultium is a sweet feed?
Agreed, ultium I wouldnt really classify as a sweet feed. Compared to say Omelene 200, that is horsey crack! |
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| Sweet feed is textured feed! NOT all textured feeds are sweet feed. Ultium is textured but not particularly a sweet feed. There are pelleted feeds and also extruded feeds. |
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Location: North Dakota | TurnLane - 2015-03-17 9:49 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-17 3:45 AM Sweet feed it terrible for horses and there is no circumstance in which it should be a main component of a horse's diet. Pelleted feeds range from being very good to very bad. Cereal grains like oats, corn, barley, etc. are high in starches and/or sugars, which horses do not digest well. These high starch/sugar diets can cause or contribute to excess energy/hotness, colic, obesity, laminitis, and troubles with PSSM horses. Sweet feeds and many pelleted feeds are made out of these grains. Lower quality pelleted feeds can even have the formulation changed from batch to batch, depending on what the feed company can get for the cheapest.
The best diet for your horse comes from good forage -- grass and/or hay. Soaked beet pulp can be added as an additional fiber source for horses that need some weight put on them. If they still need additional calories, fat, or protein, adding alfalfa (long stem, soaked cubes, or pellets) and/or feeds made out of stabilized rice bran and stabilized flax are great. My personal favorite feed is Renew Gold, which is made from the rice bran and flax as well as coconut. Coconut oil is very good for horses and this feed provides a healthy, high fat diet that only needs to be fed at a rate of about 1lb per day (give or take a bit) and won't make horses hot. There are also straight up rice bran pellets. I have one horse that won't eat the Renew Gold so he gets 1lb Max-e-Glow rice bran pellets a day. They both get alfalfa pellets as well as grass hay and necessary supplements. If it weren't for one of them having some unrelated issues right now, they'd both be looking shiny, fat, and sassy! It depends on which discipline you are talking about-- "sweet" feed is the main feed that racehorses eat in our region. I know this for a fact.
As far as pellets being a by product, or floor sweepings that also is untrue. It is like baking a cake with whole ingredients, wheat, corn, oats and molasses as an example for a binder. Molasses nor corn are the devil. But in horses that arent used to burn that energy- it very well could not be good. Like Michael Phelps, he eats WAY MORE CARBS than you and I should but he is an athlete.
Some people, like the racetracks seem to like the sweet feed. When my dad had a race horse he ate it, but have you seen a race horse? I certainly don't want mine acting anything like one. They are HYPED and not exactly known for digestive health or soundness. A grand prix jumper or NFR level barrel horse or race horse may be able to use those extra carbs like a professional athlete, but lets not fool ourselves. The vast majority of horses are not athletes of that caliber and giving them high carb/sugar feeds would be like giving mountain dew and a bag of smarties to a kid. A low starch/sugar, high fat is always a safer choice Stingray eats Renew Gold and look at her!
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Location: North Dakota | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-17 9:12 AM Ultium is a sweet feed?
I wouldn't call it a sweet feed but my barn feeds it and one of my horses was on it up till 2 or 3 weeks ago...it definitely made him crazier. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I have fed both and don't have a preference. Have also mixed straight grains as well. What matters to me is price, how it effects the horse's temperament, and what they will eat. When you're feeding 9 head, you have to consider price and time to mix. And I've had some that get hot on sweet feed, some don't. And I've had some that the molasses causes them to go off their feed. |
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Location: PA | Bigfoot - 2015-03-16 10:57 PM IMHO, most pellets are a byproduct. It's like a hotdog, you wouldn't buy it if you saw what was in it.
EXACTLY why I don't eat hot dogs........ |
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Location: North Dakota | Bigfoot - 2015-03-16 10:57 PM IMHO, most pellets are a byproduct. It's like a hotdog, you wouldn't buy it if you saw what was in it.
 Hot dogs are delicious. |
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Location: Central TX | Guess I consider sweet feed anything with molasses. So to me Ultium is a sweet feed even though it's pelleted and not texture.
Haven't heard anything bad on ADM feeds, a lot of people around me feed it as well and haven't had a problem with it at all in the years they've fed it. Guess I'll read a little more about it but doubt I'll switch! |
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Location: North Dakota | KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:50 PM Guess I consider sweet feed anything with molasses. So to me Ultium is a sweet feed even though it's pelleted and not texture. Haven't heard anything bad on ADM feeds, a lot of people around me feed it as well and haven't had a problem with it at all in the years they've fed it. Guess I'll read a little more about it but doubt I'll switch!
The ionophore issue and how the company handled it is very sad, because the feeds themselves seemed to be well developed and would otherwise be a great option. |
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Location: Central TX | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-17 12:55 PM
KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:50 PM Guess I consider sweet feed anything with molasses. So to me Ultium is a sweet feed even though it's pelleted and not texture. Haven't heard anything bad on ADM feeds, a lot of people around me feed it as well and haven't had a problem with it at all in the years they've fed it. Guess I'll read a little more about it but doubt I'll switch!
The ionophore issue and how the company handled it is very sad, because the feeds themselves seemed to be well developed and would otherwise be a great option.
It is a nice feed, to me. I haven't heard of any issues in TX with it. I've read about it effecting the East Coast it seems like. |
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Location: That part of Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-17 8:20 AM
I feed ultium, and a pound of sweet feed mixed in the ultium because he gets a powdered supplement...if I don't mix the sweet feed in, he wouldn't touch it.
I keep a bag of sweet feed around just in case I have to supplement or give meds in feed or mine won't touch them either since they are so picky about taking stuff. I also give them a little as treats every now and then so they never know when I'm just being nice or tricking them into taking their meds. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:59 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-17 12:55 PM KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:50 PM Guess I consider sweet feed anything with molasses. So to me Ultium is a sweet feed even though it's pelleted and not texture. Haven't heard anything bad on ADM feeds, a lot of people around me feed it as well and haven't had a problem with it at all in the years they've fed it. Guess I'll read a little more about it but doubt I'll switch! The ionophore issue and how the company handled it is very sad, because the feeds themselves seemed to be well developed and would otherwise be a great option. It is a nice feed, to me. I haven't heard of any issues in TX with it. I've read about it effecting the East Coast it seems like.
Could you send me the mill that your feed comes from?. |
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Location: Central TX | rachellyn80 - 2015-03-17 1:01 PM
KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:59 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-17 12:55 PM KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:50 PM Guess I consider sweet feed anything with molasses. So to me Ultium is a sweet feed even though it's pelleted and not texture. Haven't heard anything bad on ADM feeds, a lot of people around me feed it as well and haven't had a problem with it at all in the years they've fed it. Guess I'll read a little more about it but doubt I'll switch! The ionophore issue and how the company handled it is very sad, because the feeds themselves seemed to be well developed and would otherwise be a great option. It is a nice feed, to me. I haven't heard of any issues in TX with it. I've read about it effecting the East Coast it seems like. .
Can't find an exact link but it comes from the Comanche Feed Mill in TX. A lady in my area makes a trip every couple of months and picks everyone up the Patriot 12% and 14% and any other type of ADM feed we would like. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 1:09 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-03-17 1:01 PM KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:59 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-17 12:55 PM KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:50 PM Guess I consider sweet feed anything with molasses. So to me Ultium is a sweet feed even though it's pelleted and not texture. Haven't heard anything bad on ADM feeds, a lot of people around me feed it as well and haven't had a problem with it at all in the years they've fed it. Guess I'll read a little more about it but doubt I'll switch! The ionophore issue and how the company handled it is very sad, because the feeds themselves seemed to be well developed and would otherwise be a great option. It is a nice feed, to me. I haven't heard of any issues in TX with it. I've read about it effecting the East Coast it seems like. . Can't find an exact link but it comes from the Comanche Feed Mill in TX. A lady in my area makes a trip every couple of months and picks everyone up the Patriot 12% and 14% and any other type of ADM feed we would like.
The mill in Comanche, TX is a licensed medicated mill. They produce medicated cattle feed. There is no "safe" practice that completely prevents drug carryover in the manufacturing process. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I feed Ametza hay pellets or soaked cubes (whichever is in stock), free choice coastal, bermuda flakes, and beet pulp. Plus Glo N Go, 707 Digestive Pellets, and a probiotic.
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| KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:59 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-17 12:55 PM
KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:50 PM Guess I consider sweet feed anything with molasses. So to me Ultium is a sweet feed even though it's pelleted and not texture. Haven't heard anything bad on ADM feeds, a lot of people around me feed it as well and haven't had a problem with it at all in the years they've fed it. Guess I'll read a little more about it but doubt I'll switch!
The ionophore issue and how the company handled it is very sad, because the feeds themselves seemed to be well developed and would otherwise be a great option.
It is a nice feed, to me. I haven't heard of any issues in TX with it. I've read about it effecting the East Coast it seems like.
ADM feeds are very good feeds. I heard of one horse facility having problems. My feed store does not carry them so I feed a regional feed. I do try to find GroStrong minerals in my area but it is hard. |
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| KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:59 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-17 12:55 PM
KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:50 PM Guess I consider sweet feed anything with molasses. So to me Ultium is a sweet feed even though it's pelleted and not texture. Haven't heard anything bad on ADM feeds, a lot of people around me feed it as well and haven't had a problem with it at all in the years they've fed it. Guess I'll read a little more about it but doubt I'll switch!
The ionophore issue and how the company handled it is very sad, because the feeds themselves seemed to be well developed and would otherwise be a great option.
It is a nice feed, to me. I haven't heard of any issues in TX with it. I've read about it effecting the East Coast it seems like.
ADM feeds are very good feeds. I heard of one horse facility having problems. My feed store does not carry them so I feed a regional feed. I do try to find GroStrong minerals in my area but it is hard. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | We could always tell when our customers, that had mulitple horses, were feeding Sweet Feed in the summer as the flies would try to carry us off.
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Location: Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-03-17 2:24 PM KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 1:09 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-03-17 1:01 PM KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:59 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-17 12:55 PM KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:50 PM Guess I consider sweet feed anything with molasses. So to me Ultium is a sweet feed even though it's pelleted and not texture. Haven't heard anything bad on ADM feeds, a lot of people around me feed it as well and haven't had a problem with it at all in the years they've fed it. Guess I'll read a little more about it but doubt I'll switch! The ionophore issue and how the company handled it is very sad, because the feeds themselves seemed to be well developed and would otherwise be a great option. It is a nice feed, to me. I haven't heard of any issues in TX with it. I've read about it effecting the East Coast it seems like. . Can't find an exact link but it comes from the Comanche Feed Mill in TX. A lady in my area makes a trip every couple of months and picks everyone up the Patriot 12% and 14% and any other type of ADM feed we would like.
I used to like Patriot feed also - and mine came from that same mill. No more ADM horse feed in my barn!!
If you want a SAFE feed from a mill that makes NO medicated feed, and is also cost effective, look into Red River Grain out of Oklahoma. My feed store carries it, and they will order any of their products I might want. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:59 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-17 12:55 PM KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 12:50 PM Guess I consider sweet feed anything with molasses. So to me Ultium is a sweet feed even though it's pelleted and not texture. Haven't heard anything bad on ADM feeds, a lot of people around me feed it as well and haven't had a problem with it at all in the years they've fed it. Guess I'll read a little more about it but doubt I'll switch! The ionophore issue and how the company handled it is very sad, because the feeds themselves seemed to be well developed and would otherwise be a great option. It is a nice feed, to me. I haven't heard of any issues in TX with it. I've read about it effecting the East Coast it seems like.
And they have the attitude of oh well so why would anyone want to take a chance whether you are on the East Coast or Texas? LOL |
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Location: Central TX | I'm not sure what to say anymore other than I did not know the Comanche Feed Mill produced medicated feed as well. I do not have the attitude of "oh well", my horse's health means a lot to me and I do not appreciate that being said.
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Location: Texas | KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 4:54 PM I'm not sure what to say anymore other than I did not know the Comanche Feed Mill produced medicated feed as well. I do not have the attitude of "oh well", my horse's health means a lot to me and I do not appreciate that being said.
She was referring to ADM's attitude of "oh well" - not yours.
Ignorance was bliss. I bought my feed by the ton from a local mill and was happy......until I began to study the effect of ionophores on horses. |
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Location: Central TX | Fun2Run - 2015-03-17 5:27 PM
KDHoof88 - 2015-03-17 4:54 PM I'm not sure what to say anymore other than I did not know the Comanche Feed Mill produced medicated feed as well. I do not have the attitude of "oh well", my horse's health means a lot to me and I do not appreciate that being said.
She was referring to ADM's attitude of "oh well" - not yours.
Ignorance was bliss. I bought my feed by the ton from a local mill and was happy......until I began to study the effect of ionophores on horses.
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | 29yo gets Purina Senior...other 3 (13, 9, and 5) get Omolene 200 because that's all the 9yo and the 5yo will eat. Doesn't bother me...29yo was on Omolene 200 until I retired her from competition at age 27 & made the switch to Senior (Nutrena at the time). Guess I like "crackhead" horses... *snort* |
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| ghost rider - 2015-03-17 4:18 PM
29yo gets Purina Senior...other 3 (13, 9, and 5) get Omolene 200 because that's all the 9yo and the 5yo will eat. Doesn't bother me...29yo was on Omolene 200 until I retired her from competition at age 27 & made the switch to Senior (Nutrena at the time). Guess I like "crackhead" horses... *snort*
To each their own! Lol when corn is the 2nd ingredient listed and the feed is nearly 40 percent sugar then have at it. Lol not a big deal. Now if I had a lazy or dead head horse, that's what they would get. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | I like pelleted feeds for 2 reasons - #1 - it is completely digestable, the horses do not poop out any grain, #2 - it is so much easier to scoop which makes it easier for my arthritic hands and wrists.
I would only buy a well know brand of horse feed, regardless of it being textured or pelleted.
I know there is a lot of difference in pelleted feeds depending on the ingredients available because of the difference in our hog pellets. Yeah, I know hogs/piglets are different from horses but I do see a difference in batch to batch.
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Location: NC | My colt gets a 14% protein senior mix from a local mill. It's beet pulp & alfalfa based with some barley and oats mixed in. It's 21% NSC. It's been good for him so far.
My gelding I just switched to a 12-12 feed from the same mill. I had been feeding Triple Crown but had a hard time finding it fresh and consistent in my area. So I switched. The 12-12 is 90% grain (oats barley & some cracked corn mixed in but not even enough to see more than a few pieces in a handful) with beet pulp and alfalfa pellets mixed in. It has 26% NSC content so I chose it for my dead head.
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