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Location: NeverLand | If you had a nice halter mare would you breed her with a stud built with speed? Like and studs with dash for cash, frenchmans guy or any other high up stud. Would it be a nice foal? I don't know much about halter horses, so im wondering if anyone has experience with this.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | streakysox - 2015-03-18 5:41 PM I would not. Halter horses are not built like performance horses.
I agree with this. 99% of them (truly halter bred to win at halter) would not make a very good riding horse. |
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Location: NeverLand | http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/showdowns+conclusion This is the dam
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/td+kid This is the sire to the mare |
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Location: Southern Oregon | I guess a better question would be WHY would you breed her to a speed bred stud? Personally it would be a BIG NO for me. |
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Location: ND | No, most halter horses do not have the conformation to stay sound running barrels. They're way to specialized to what wins in the halter ring and no longer built for versatility and performance. |
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The sire's maternal grand dam is bred very similar to Regers He Might, a very good barrel horse and sire. He was most well known in Kansas i think. I am not an Impressive fan as he was bred to run, but refused to train so they got him a permanent number on a hardship clause. His refusal to train as a race horse could have been due to the double muscling that made him a fantastic halter sire and HYPP we now know about associated with the double muscling factor. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | BMW - 2015-03-18 6:11 PM Doc Bar was bred to be a race horse, top and bottom. Instead, he became a top halter horse sire and turned the cutting horse industry on its ear. Conformation and desire will determine if your halter mare can produce something besides another pretty face.
Doc Bar is not a fair assessment of that due to the fact that back then if they couldn't run, they showed them. They still did All Around back then. Now AQHA is breeds within breeds-cutters, western pleasure, HUS, race, halter. Rarely do you have one that is truly bred to do one thing, that can do another. The closest ones that will cross over for barrels are your race and cutters obviously. They bred the run (and brains according to my husband) out of the WP, HUS and halter horses. Sometimes I agree with him (I have my own show horse). |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-03-18 6:57 PM
BMW - 2015-03-18 6:11 PM Doc Bar was bred to be a race horse, top and bottom. Instead, he became a top halter horse sire and turned the cutting horse industry on its ear. Conformation and desire will determine if your halter mare can produce something besides another pretty face.
Doc Bar is not a fair assessment of that due to the fact that back then if they couldn't run, they showed them. They still did All Around back then. Now AQHA is breeds within breeds-cutters, western pleasure, HUS, race, halter. Rarely do you have one that is truly bred to do one thing, that can do another. The closest ones that will cross over for barrels are your race and cutters obviously. They bred the run (and brains according to my husband) out of the WP, HUS and halter horses. Sometimes I agree with him (I have my own show horse).
how about Sierra Te? All race bred but was a halter pony
Race bred up the HIND END! yet he never ran to my knowledge and was a halter pony with over 100 Halter points
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Also what would you be using the foal for?
If you want to sell the foal with all the impressive line breeding you will have a hard time.
I would also look at how the mare moves, if she flows, has a nice stride length, then I may just for me if the mare comes back 5 panel negative |
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I wouldnt breed anything questionable just because of the amount of time you will have invested into it, but I would most certainly buy any 3 or 4 yo that showed potential to be a good barrel horse regardless of the papers. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-03-18 7:02 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-03-18 6:57 PM BMW - 2015-03-18 6:11 PM Doc Bar was bred to be a race horse, top and bottom. Instead, he became a top halter horse sire and turned the cutting horse industry on its ear. Conformation and desire will determine if your halter mare can produce something besides another pretty face. Doc Bar is not a fair assessment of that due to the fact that back then if they couldn't run, they showed them. They still did All Around back then. Now AQHA is breeds within breeds-cutters, western pleasure, HUS, race, halter. Rarely do you have one that is truly bred to do one thing, that can do another. The closest ones that will cross over for barrels are your race and cutters obviously. They bred the run (and brains according to my husband) out of the WP, HUS and halter horses. Sometimes I agree with him (I have my own show horse). how about Sierra Te? All race bred but was a halter pony Race bred up the HIND END! yet he never ran to my knowledge and was a halter pony with over 100 Halter points
Because his sire Te N Te (1973 model) was marketed to be a halter sire and Impressive had not yet hit the scenes (1969 model) as a super star Halter horse/sire. I imagine both were bred to race, either they did and flunked or were never started so they decided to halter them. They were massively built, probably WHY they couldn't run so they knew they could make halter horses. This is not done anymore. There are a few race breds that can pick up enough points in halter to try for AQHA Champion or Supreme Champion honors. But we are talking a horse that was bred to HALTER being turned into a speedster. Not going to happen often enough for me to breed for it. A race bred horse being turned into a HALTER horse has happened and can again, but I wouldn't bet my money on one. Be around the AQHA show world and politics take over... |
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First off I know nothing...
I wouldnt breed anything questionable just because of the amount of time you will have invested into it, but I would most certainly buy any 3 or 4 yo that showed potential to be a good barrel horse regardless of the papers.
For not knowing anything---you do have pretty good point. Would be a heck of a lot cheaper and you would know what you are getting. |
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Doc Bar was bred to be a race horse, top and bottom. Instead, he became a top halter horse sire and turned the cutting horse industry on its ear. Conformation and desire will determine if your halter mare can produce something besides another pretty face.
Doc Bar was foaled in 1956. Back in those days the halter horses were performance horses. I used to do very well in halter with my barrel horse in the 1960's. Today halter horses are bred for that and are not used for anything else. You might get a subscription to the Quarter Horse Journal. Look at the halter stallions. It is really very sad. Or better yet go to an AQHA show and see first hand. This is really not A GOOD EXAMPLE. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Te N Te per the Legends book had a hock injury that resulted in him being unable to race so they showed him at halter. He only had 6 race winners earning $6k proving the mentality that they either couldn't run or they had the mindset of why breed to him for race when he was obviously siring halter horses that could win-Sierra Te for example. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | There has been more then a few occasions I look at a horses pedigree and I say to myself "Huh? What were they thinking?!!!!!" |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | If you're breeding to sell, no because of the sterotypes people believe on certain bloodlines.If I were going to breed I would breed to a paint. If the mare is correct in how she's built and has a good attitude, I would breed to a top notch performance/race bred stallion. Imo, bringing in new blood is a good thing. A few years back a cutter won a huge futurity with a horse out of a cutting mare by a thoroughbred stallion. I'm sure everyone told them the same thing - that it wouldn't work, etc. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom.  |
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Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom.
They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one.
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| FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2015-03-18 5:22 PM
If you had a nice halter mare would you breed her with a stud built with speed? Like and studs with dash for cash, frenchmans guy or any other high up stud. Would it be a nice foal? I don't know much about halter horses, so im wondering if anyone has experience with this.
I will say yes, it can work and you can get a very nice foal as the result. Have done it in the past and have had great outcomes. A good horse is a good horse is a good horse, they don't know what their papers say. As long as it isn't for resale and you like the mare, try it. Resale is a bugger for anything "halter" bred crossed with race...Halter people don't want the foal, barrel racers don't want the foal (unless it is a proven finished barrel horse) |
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Location: Kentucky | MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 9:07 AM FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2015-03-18 5:22 PM If you had a nice halter mare would you breed her with a stud built with speed? Like and studs with dash for cash, frenchmans guy or any other high up stud. Would it be a nice foal? I don't know much about halter horses, so im wondering if anyone has experience with this. I will say yes, it can work and you can get a very nice foal as the result. Have done it in the past and have had great outcomes. A good horse is a good horse is a good horse, they don't know what their papers say. As long as it isn't for resale and you like the mare, try it. Resale is a bugger for anything "halter" bred crossed with race...Halter people don't want the foal, barrel racers don't want the foal (unless it is a proven finished barrel horse )
I agree that a good horse is a good horse. However, a good hunter/jumper horse is really of no use to me since I barrel race. We have bred horses to be so discipline specific now that sometimes their bodies aren't made to do the things we want them to do.
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MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 9:07 AM FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2015-03-18 5:22 PM If you had a nice halter mare would you breed her with a stud built with speed? Like and studs with dash for cash, frenchmans guy or any other high up stud. Would it be a nice foal? I don't know much about halter horses, so im wondering if anyone has experience with this. I will say yes, it can work and you can get a very nice foal as the result. Have done it in the past and have had great outcomes. A good horse is a good horse is a good horse, they don't know what their papers say. As long as it isn't for resale and you like the mare, try it. Resale is a bugger for anything "halter" bred crossed with race...Halter people don't want the foal, barrel racers don't want the foal (unless it is a proven finished barrel horse )
I am also always concerned about resale, because you never what what the future may bring.
I think that may be part of why so many barrel horses break down so young anymore. Variations in breeding can be a good thing when everyone else is breeding for one specific reason (speed) they lose the using and strength sometimes. You wouldn't want to take just any halter horse and breed for barrel racing, but if they are strong, have good feet, good mind, are athletic, etc. I don't see why it would be a bad idea. |
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Location: N Texas | From a resale standpoint, no, absolutely not. The only way you'll get interest in the foal is to wait until it's broke and patterned to see if it even has potential. Or sell it dirt cheap. I personally don't have a problem with Impressive being in the pedigree, but a lot of people won't touch them with a ten-foot pole. So it really depends on what your plans for the foal are.
I personally don't like the mare's sire AT ALL for a performance prospect. He is not built for performance, so your foal would already have that against it. |
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Location: Oregon | I'm planning to next year.
My mare is APHA, she is my main barrel horse and has speed but has lots more turn. She went the the APHA world show in Halter as a baby and then again in performance later. She then got into a fight with a fence and ended up scarred on her hind legs ending her show career. Then started her on barrels and she loves it way more then show stuff. She is a true all around horse, team penning, roping, barrels, kids babysitter, parades.
To me she has earned her breeding to a very high dollar up and coming race bred stud. She is also maiden and I want to breed her before she is to old.
Next year my new husband is deploying and I will be breeding my mare as I won't be able to go to races as much.
I say if it is for you do what you want!
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They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one.
Even though I LOVE the Impressive lines and SO AGREE with the response about NOT having bad attitudes, I am surprised that people don't look past IMPRESSIVE and look at (and like) all the THREE BARS. Sometimes I think we (and I have often been guilty of this) look too hard at the pedigree and paper and quit looking at the HORSE. If this Paint stud has the conformation you like, it certainly seems to have the ability to pass "run" on with all the Three Bars genes back there.
The horse in my avatar was Impressive close up and the most wonderful horse I have ever ridden. But yes, extremely sensitive, always thinking, always wanting to please, always trying to think ahead of me...not always in a good way but always in a productive way. I was successful in the Arabian industry for many years and equate the Impressives' to Arabians....choose your battles, be fair with them, and soft works better than hard....
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | smmthbr - 2015-03-19 11:57 AM
They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one.
Even though I LOVE the Impressive lines and SO AGREE with the response about NOT having bad attitudes, I am surprised that people don't look past IMPRESSIVE and look at (and like) all the THREE BARS. Sometimes I think we (and I have often been guilty of this) look too hard at the pedigree and paper and quit looking at the HORSE. If this Paint stud has the conformation you like, it certainly seems to have the ability to pass "run" on with all the Three Bars genes back there.
The horse in my avatar was Impressive close up and the most wonderful horse I have ever ridden. But yes, extremely sensitive, always thinking, always wanting to please, always trying to think ahead of me...not always in a good way but always in a productive way. I was successful in the Arabian industry for many years and equate the Impressives' to Arabians....choose your battles, be fair with them, and soft works better than hard....
Just my 2cents....
I couldn't agree more on all accounts. I worked in the Arab industry as well, still own 2 , and own two heavily Impressive bred gelding. I agree there are a lot of similarities in the way they think and the way they work. They do require you to step up and think. Love them both. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one.
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard.
Most smart horses are like that. I don't see it as a bad attitude - I see it as a horse that's too smart to put up with crap and easily gets irritated with stupidity. Kind of the same way intelligent people get irritated with dumb folks that say stupid things.
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komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard.
But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. |
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komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard.
But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off.
They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion. |
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komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard.
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Location: SE Louisiana | MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 4:38 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion.
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Location: MD | Would I specifically breed a true Halter bred mare hoping to get a barrel prospect... no. That having been said, I have had a couple over the past couple of years who were meant for the Halter pen who have done well for me.
This mare http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sierras+kit+te Her dam is an APHA dam of several World/Res World Champion APHA Halter horses, most notably Brooks R Dunn, who is a leading sire of APHA Halter horses. That mare is huge by performance horse standards. Of course, having been used as a performance horse for her entire life, she does not have the correct muscling to go to the Halter pen, but I think a good fitter could have her ready in about 90 days. She isn't super great on manicured ground, but loves deep, heavy ground and has run low to mid 17's on a Standard pattern at rodeos.
This mare http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/little+cata+cool was bred by a very successful Halter Horse breeder, but was culled due to some health issues early on which impeded her growth in time for the Futurities. She ended up being a very nice 2D horse locally and 3D horse at the big shows. |
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MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 4:38 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion.
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It's the truth  I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance |
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | Getting off topic, just again addressing the subject of Impressive...the ones I have seen/known with "bad attitudes" were man made bad attitudes. Most of the winning halter horses are never allowed to just be horses, hence that could also cause a whole lot of "attitude". I am sure that most of the Impressives were bred to be SHOW horses and not WORKING horses and rarely given the opportunity to be treated like every day working horses. I have worked with many, many Impressive bred horses and the ones that were allowed to "be horses" and not maintained like hot-house flowers were ALL, without fail, intelligent, sensitive, athletic, super easy to work with and train and be around as long as they were treated fairly and reasonably. I would do everything possible NOT to get into a fight with one and that philosophy always worked well for what I wanted to do. No, I didn't train any that went on to be great superstars in the show pen or barrel racing industry, but I have no doubt they had the capability to do so. The ones I've known that weren't so pleasant to work with, again, were all man made problems and yes, those did not come around well. I have a lot of faith in a lot of Three Bars in the pedigree, so that is what I notice and commend. Again, just my 2 cents...I guess it all comes down to what each person has experienced. The only horse that has ever intentionally hurt me bad was an Appaloosa stud, a thousand years ago, but I still to this day, have huge disdain for Appaloosas, even though I've also worked with some exceptional Appaloosas. One's experience is usually one's opinion but may not be applicable to all horses/all situations. |
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| The mare is not only halter bred but looks like a BS paint? If she's a BS paint, heavy halter bred top and bottom you better hope the foal comes out turning a barrel like Louie if you wanna ever sale it. Basically you would be making what I call a QH mutt, a mixed discipline horse that will never fit in unless it is an amazing freak of a performer.
I'd buy one if it was already running and winning. It would probably be a reasonably priced horse even if it was a barn burner because with the halter breeding and the paint status people would still be scared. I'd never buy it for a prospect because there is NO market to sale it unless it was a BAD cat.
Here is a pic about how diverse the QH breed is and I feel like you should bred to the discipline not just to get a registered horse.
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | MeepMeep - 2015-03-20 7:31 AM
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MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 4:38 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion.
Interesting POV..
It's the truth I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance
I vote nope too lots to choose from.
I have one, get along great with her but won't ever own one again. Good luck trying to sell one and she doesn't have typical halter conformation she looks like a big race mare. N/N too
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MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 4:38 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion.
Interesting POV..
It's the truth I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance
I never said they all did it.. But over the years enough of them did to give the reputation.. I didn't just pull this theory out of my butt.... It's been out there for years.... I went to farrier school in 91 and was told right off the bat there were two bloodlines you didn't want to screw with.... His was one of them.
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Interesting POV..
It's the truth I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance
I never said they all did it.. But over the years enough of them did to give the reputation.. I didn't just pull this theory out of my butt.... It's been out there for years.... I went to farrier school in 91 and was told right off the bat there were two bloodlines you didn't want to screw with.... His was one of them.
You've been "told" of this "theory"....
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MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 4:38 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion.
Interesting POV..
It's the truth I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance
I never said they all did it.. But over the years enough of them did to give the reputation.. I didn't just pull this theory out of my butt.... It's been out there for years.... I went to farrier school in 91 and was told right off the bat there were two bloodlines you didn't want to screw with.... His was one of them.
You've been "told" of this "theory"....
Oh I SAW it proven in school and after.... No worries there...
Let me ask you something. Have you ever seen HYPP kill a horse right in front of you?
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MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 4:38 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion.
Interesting POV..
It's the truth I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance
I never said they all did it.. But over the years enough of them did to give the reputation.. I didn't just pull this theory out of my butt.... It's been out there for years.... I went to farrier school in 91 and was told right off the bat there were two bloodlines you didn't want to screw with.... His was one of them.
You've been "told" of this "theory"....
Oh I SAW it proven in school and after.... No worries there...
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MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 4:38 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion.
Interesting POV..
It's the truth I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance
I never said they all did it.. But over the years enough of them did to give the reputation.. I didn't just pull this theory out of my butt.... It's been out there for years.... I went to farrier school in 91 and was told right off the bat there were two bloodlines you didn't want to screw with.... His was one of them.
You've been "told" of this "theory"....
Oh I SAW it proven in school and after.... No worries there...
Let me ask you something. Have you ever seen HYPP kill a horse right in front of you?
Your point you are trying to make about HYPP is moot...lumping all Impressive bred horses in the HYPP group isn't appropriate, I have never ridden anything that wasn't N/N and never would. HYPP is a horrible disease, yes. Does it mean you should get rid of an entire bloodline? NO...It's time to be responsible, not irrational
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MeepMeep - 2015-03-20 7:31 AM
komet. - 2015-03-19 10:27 PM
MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 4:38 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion.
Interesting POV..
It's the truth I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance
I never said they all did it.. But over the years enough of them did to give the reputation.. I didn't just pull this theory out of my butt.... It's been out there for years.... I went to farrier school in 91 and was told right off the bat there were two bloodlines you didn't want to screw with.... His was one of them.
You've been "told" of this "theory"....
Oh I SAW it proven in school and after.... No worries there...
Let me ask you something. Have you ever seen HYPP kill a horse right in front of you?
Your point you are trying to make about HYPP is moot...lumping all Impressive bred horses in the HYPP group isn't appropriate, I have never ridden anything that wasn't N/N and never would. HYPP is a horrible disease, yes. Does it mean you should get rid of an entire bloodline? NO...It's time to be responsible, not irrational
My Point is you've never seen it happen. You've only heard about it, but you don't doubt it... Well, I've seen plenty of experienced horse people have to deal with this attitude... So don't try to tell me it's not there. Maybe you're just one of the few people in the world qualified to deal with it.. |
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MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 4:38 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion.
Interesting POV..
It's the truth I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance
I never said they all did it.. But over the years enough of them did to give the reputation.. I didn't just pull this theory out of my butt.... It's been out there for years.... I went to farrier school in 91 and was told right off the bat there were two bloodlines you didn't want to screw with.... His was one of them.
You've been "told" of this "theory"....
Oh I SAW it proven in school and after.... No worries there...
Let me ask you something. Have you ever seen HYPP kill a horse right in front of you?
Your point you are trying to make about HYPP is moot...lumping all Impressive bred horses in the HYPP group isn't appropriate, I have never ridden anything that wasn't N/N and never would. HYPP is a horrible disease, yes. Does it mean you should get rid of an entire bloodline? NO...It's time to be responsible, not irrational
My Point is you've never seen it happen. You've only heard about it, but you don't doubt it... Well, I've seen plenty of experienced horse people have to deal with this attitude... So don't try to tell me it's not there. Maybe you're just one of the few people in the world qualified to deal with it..
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Interesting POV..
It's the truth I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance
I never said they all did it.. But over the years enough of them did to give the reputation.. I didn't just pull this theory out of my butt.... It's been out there for years.... I went to farrier school in 91 and was told right off the bat there were two bloodlines you didn't want to screw with.... His was one of them.
You've been "told" of this "theory"....
Oh I SAW it proven in school and after.... No worries there...
Let me ask you something. Have you ever seen HYPP kill a horse right in front of you?
Your point you are trying to make about HYPP is moot...lumping all Impressive bred horses in the HYPP group isn't appropriate, I have never ridden anything that wasn't N/N and never would. HYPP is a horrible disease, yes. Does it mean you should get rid of an entire bloodline? NO...It's time to be responsible, not irrational
My Point is you've never seen it happen. You've only heard about it, but you don't doubt it... Well, I've seen plenty of experienced horse people have to deal with this attitude... So don't try to tell me it's not there. Maybe you're just one of the few people in the world qualified to deal with it..
Maybe I am lol
Hey I'm not kidding here... I've seen people that can get their hands on a difficult horse and it turns into soft malleable clay.. They can do anything with them.. Like that dentist I mentioned on another thread.. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | MeepMeep - 2015-03-20 7:31 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 10:27 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 4:38 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion. Interesting POV.. It's the truth I think most horses will throw a hissy fit if they are constantly picked at. Some just have a lower tolerance to BS than others. But to say that all Impressive breds throw years of hissy fits...shows some ignorance
I am going to agree with Komet here to a point. I don’t know how old you are MM but I was around when the first and second generation of colts (by Impressive) hit the ground and VERY few of them ever made “rideable” horses. You can look back at the AQHA statistics and MOST were only used as “halter horses”…….There was a reason for that…….They were hot idiots…..That being said, I would venture to say that those of you who get along with and love the Impressive bred horses are riding third, fourth or fifth generation bloodline.
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| I didnt read through everything.. but my pro calibre horse is halter and cutting on the top and run on the bottom... he can FLY... when he is not having issues... |
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