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Location: Phoenix | I swear to God I'm the worst horse owner ever. I've owned horses all my life and yet I feel like I know nothing about them. So, what am I looking at here? it looks terrible and I worry and feel neglectful. The cracks are on the outside of the hoof. So if it's on the left side in the picture, it's on the right hoof..
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Location: SE Louisiana | All I can see is the feet are breaking over to the side the cracks are on... If you want to show it truly. hold the leg, to let the hoof hang naturally.. Don't hold the foot...
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Location: ND | Hard to say for sure from that angle & with shoes on. But to me it looks like the heels are very underrun as well as contracted. It looks like there is a lot of heel that should be trimmed off. The deep groove in the center of the frog is a pretty good indication of central sucus thrush. |
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| The feet are not balanced. The point of the frog should be in the middle of the shoe. And I agree with too much heel. |
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Location: Florida.. | SaraJean - 2015-03-20 10:50 PM Hard to say for sure from that angle & with shoes on. But to me it looks like the heels are very underrun as well as contracted. It looks like there is a lot of heel that should be trimmed off. The deep groove in the center of the frog is a pretty good indication of central sucus thrush.
I agree and thrush usually is present with that. Id get a syringe and betadine and also thrush buster and Id be syringing into those center crevices . |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I see alot of heel there.  |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Hard to tell a lot from the pictures, but the horse appears to be mule footed with a lot of heel and very deep frogs. Extremely deep frogs will require constant vigilance and treatment for thrush. |
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| Very contracted by the picture, and an unhealthy foot
Additional pictures would be beneficial, side view of foot on ground, front view, and hind view.
To me the frog has no where to go because of the shoes.
When the horse places foot on the ground the frog should drop pulling blood into the foot, when the frog drops the heels expand actually the entire foot expands in diameter this creates a vacuum pulling the blood into the foot.
When the horse picks foot up, the frog retracts the foot contracts in diameter and the blood is pushed out of the foot.
With too small of a shoe this cannot happen
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Location: Phoenix | Gahhhhh. I'll get some other views tomorrow. Shoer is coming out in a week. Might have to find another? Or do I give him a chance to correct it? If it's not one thing, it's another.... :/ |
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Location: on my horse | Have a good conversation with him about what is concerning to you about his current shoe job and see if he is willing and able to correct it. Also don't be so hard on yourself!! you are doing the best you can to care for your horse and are putting out serious effort and money to make sure that you're educated and your horse is comfortable.
That says much about you as an owner and a person so don't be so down you are not neglectful! |
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| hammer_time - 2015-03-20 11:16 PM
Gahhhhh. I'll get some other views tomorrow. Shoer is coming out in a week. Might have to find another? Or do I give him a chance to correct it? If it's not one thing, it's another.... :/
In my experience farriers actually don't know how to properly size a shoe for the foot.
I had two horses that were contracting, I told my farrier, and he said nope they weren't contracted, went to my vet, sure enough they were contracted.
The vets farrier is 70 yrs old and takes 2 hrs to put on front shoes, and from what he taught me, and what the vet has taught me, I have never seen any other horse, that has shoes on the way this farrier did and taught me.
My vet also took the farrier course at Oklahoma and is certified.
It took my horses 18 months to grow out to a healthy foot, I tried farriers that my vet instructed and observed, as soon as the vet wasn't there, all the farriers I used except to the 70 yr old resorted back to their own ways.
I have been barefoot now for coming up 4 years, I have old Mac boots that I use if need be, I have used them in the mountains, through rivers, in snow, and doubt I will ever go back to shoes.
If you can it may be cheaper to go barefoot invest in boots.
Since I did this my horses feet have never been healthier
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Location: SE Louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2015-03-20 11:48 PM hammer_time - 2015-03-20 11:16 PM Gahhhhh. I'll get some other views tomorrow. Shoer is coming out in a week. Might have to find another? Or do I give him a chance to correct it? If it's not one thing, it's another.... :/ In my experience farriers actually don't know how to properly size a foot for a shoe. I had two horses that were contracting, I told my farrier, and he said nope they weren't contracted, went to my vet, sure enough they were contracted. The vets farrier is 70 yrs old and takes 2 hrs to put on front shoes, and from what he taught me, and what the vet has taught me, I have never seen any other horse, that has shoes on the way this farrier did and taught me. My vet also took the farrier course at Oklahoma and is certified. It took my horses 18 months to grow out to a healthy foot, I tried farriers that my vet instructed and observed, as soon as the vet wasn't there, all the farriers I used except to the 70 yr old resorted back to their own ways. I have been barefoot now for coming up 4 years, I have old Mac boots that I use if need be, I have used them in the mountains, through rivers, in snow, and doubt I will ever go back to shoes. If you can it may be cheaper to go barefoot invest in boots. Since I did this my horses feet have never been healthier
Now I see where we do not agree.... The first thing we were taught in farrier school... was you don't size/shape the foot to the shoe... You size/shape the shoe to the foot.. |
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| komet. - 2015-03-21 12:00 AM
cheryl makofka - 2015-03-20 11:48 PM hammer_time - 2015-03-20 11:16 PM Gahhhhh. I'll get some other views tomorrow. Shoer is coming out in a week. Might have to find another? Or do I give him a chance to correct it? If it's not one thing, it's another.... :/ In my experience farriers actually don't know how to properly size a foot for a shoe. I had two horses that were contracting, I told my farrier, and he said nope they weren't contracted, went to my vet, sure enough they were contracted. The vets farrier is 70 yrs old and takes 2 hrs to put on front shoes, and from what he taught me, and what the vet has taught me, I have never seen any other horse, that has shoes on the way this farrier did and taught me. My vet also took the farrier course at Oklahoma and is certified. It took my horses 18 months to grow out to a healthy foot, I tried farriers that my vet instructed and observed, as soon as the vet wasn't there, all the farriers I used except to the 70 yr old resorted back to their own ways. I have been barefoot now for coming up 4 years, I have old Mac boots that I use if need be, I have used them in the mountains, through rivers, in snow, and doubt I will ever go back to shoes. If you can it may be cheaper to go barefoot invest in boots. Since I did this my horses feet have never been healthier
Now I see where we do not agree.... The first thing we were taught in farrier school... was you don't size/shape the foot to the shoe... You size/shape the shoe to the foot..
No you are correct what I meant to say is how to properly size a shoe to fit the horse. I will edit it
The farrier and vet both explained to me for the foot to function properly while in a shoe 1/8" of the shoe needs to be exposed all the way around the foot to allow the expansion and contraction of the foot.
For the year I had shoes on my two horses, the vet and farrier put them in a size bigger had 1/8" of the shoe exposed, and I never lost one shoe. |
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Location: Texas | komet. - 2015-03-21 12:00 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-03-20 11:48 PM hammer_time - 2015-03-20 11:16 PM Gahhhhh. I'll get some other views tomorrow. Shoer is coming out in a week. Might have to find another? Or do I give him a chance to correct it? If it's not one thing, it's another.... :/ In my experience farriers actually don't know how to properly size a foot for a shoe. I had two horses that were contracting, I told my farrier, and he said nope they weren't contracted, went to my vet, sure enough they were contracted. The vets farrier is 70 yrs old and takes 2 hrs to put on front shoes, and from what he taught me, and what the vet has taught me, I have never seen any other horse, that has shoes on the way this farrier did and taught me. My vet also took the farrier course at Oklahoma and is certified. It took my horses 18 months to grow out to a healthy foot, I tried farriers that my vet instructed and observed, as soon as the vet wasn't there, all the farriers I used except to the 70 yr old resorted back to their own ways. I have been barefoot now for coming up 4 years, I have old Mac boots that I use if need be, I have used them in the mountains, through rivers, in snow, and doubt I will ever go back to shoes. If you can it may be cheaper to go barefoot invest in boots. Since I did this my horses feet have never been healthier Now I see where we do not agree.... The first thing we were taught in farrier school... was you don't size/shape the foot to the shoe... You size/shape the shoe to the foot..
This makes more sense to me. It seems like it would be impossible for shoes to just come in a size that perfectly matches the hoof |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2015-03-21 12:46 AM komet. - 2015-03-21 12:00 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-03-20 11:48 PM hammer_time - 2015-03-20 11:16 PM Gahhhhh. I'll get some other views tomorrow. Shoer is coming out in a week. Might have to find another? Or do I give him a chance to correct it? If it's not one thing, it's another.... :/ In my experience farriers actually don't know how to properly size a foot for a shoe. I had two horses that were contracting, I told my farrier, and he said nope they weren't contracted, went to my vet, sure enough they were contracted. The vets farrier is 70 yrs old and takes 2 hrs to put on front shoes, and from what he taught me, and what the vet has taught me, I have never seen any other horse, that has shoes on the way this farrier did and taught me. My vet also took the farrier course at Oklahoma and is certified. It took my horses 18 months to grow out to a healthy foot, I tried farriers that my vet instructed and observed, as soon as the vet wasn't there, all the farriers I used except to the 70 yr old resorted back to their own ways. I have been barefoot now for coming up 4 years, I have old Mac boots that I use if need be, I have used them in the mountains, through rivers, in snow, and doubt I will ever go back to shoes. If you can it may be cheaper to go barefoot invest in boots. Since I did this my horses feet have never been healthier Now I see where we do not agree.... The first thing we were taught in farrier school... was you don't size/shape the foot to the shoe... You size/shape the shoe to the foot.. No you are correct what I meant to say is how to properly size a shoe to fit the horse. I will edit it The farrier and vet both explained to me for the foot to function properly while in a shoe 1/8" of the shoe needs to be exposed all the way around the foot to allow the expansion and contraction of the foot. For the year I had shoes on my two horses, the vet and farrier put them in a size bigger had 1/8" of the shoe exposed, and I never lost one shoe.
Yes.. we were told "The width of a nickel"... if the shoe was a tiny bit long... just curl it around toward the bulbs..:)
That much more support..
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| I would send photos to your vet then share with your farrier what they have to say. do NOT be afraid to start shopping for a new farrier.
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| I have had a couple of horses, that if you left ANY shoe exposed, would walk them off. The one would stand there . find the lip on the shoes and step on it, even if it was on the outside of the hoof, with his legs all crossed to get the job done. The other would flat walk/run out of them. My farrier had to be reminded NOT to leave that nickle's width showing or he would be resetting the shoe within days. Sigh..why do some have to be so unco-operative?! |
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Location: Florida.. | I have a great knowledgable Farrier that goes to school and clinics and has been in the business and my farrier for over 23 years.. except when I was down south. so your statement is false.. not all farriers are bad.. .. some do a good job at keeping horses sound and healthy.he is expensive but worth it. |
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| The vertical cracks are actually caused by having heels too long. And yes, very contracted heels. The comments about being diligent cleaning the frog area are right on the mark... the contracted heels dont allow the frog to 'self clean' each time the horse steps down, because the frog can't expand. I'm not a huge fan of barefoot, but I honestly think I would pull his shoes and have a barefoot trimmer specialist take care of him for at least four months.
Best of luck, keep us updated.
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | How long have you had your current shoer? If it's been more than a couple shoeing yes I would be shopping for a new one. Most shoers I know are very set in their ways and are not going to change their style of shoeing (unless it's a young inexperienced shoer) but if they have been shoeing for a few years on their own chances are they know everything and you aren't going to convince them otherwise. |
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Location: ND | In deciding if you should keep this farrier or not the main quesiton is how long have you been using him. If this is a new horse to you, or a new farrier & he's making changes on the horse it's probably worth working with him for a while and see what happens. But if this is the farrier this horse has been with for some time I'd find someone else as that means this work is the farriers "normal" and he see's it as correct. If he felt there was something wrong he'd be working to change it & nothing you as the owner says is going to make him decide his technique is wrong. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Yes and yes...Now it is your call... I vote bare foot. |
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Location: Phoenix | This is the horse I've owned forever, but haven't been around in three years since I graduated college and moved away. I brought him to AZ in December and he was barefoot since his shoes had been pulled for winter. Beginning of January I had a barefoot trimmer come out because I thought we could continue the barefoot thing. But I don't think we can. He was miserable and sore. I had shoes put on him beginning of February and it was the first time I used this shoer. But the difference was night and day. He was much happier with shoes and he's had them his while life, and I just don't think I can go barefoot. I'm taking pictures now, I'll upload them when I get home. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Wow... That's a LOT of heel for a barefoot horse... Is he club-foooted? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If this horse was barefooted for awhile and this is his first shoeing since winter, how does he have so much heel? Does his other foot have the same amount of heel?
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 5:30 PM
If this horse was barefooted for awhile and this is his first shoeing since winter, how does he have so much heel? Does his other foot have the same amount of heel?
Yes it does.. we see pictures of both feet. :) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would like to see a picture of the whole horse standing square so we can see what the hooves look like while standing. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 5:37 PM
I would like to see a picture of the whole horse standing square so we can see what the hooves look like while standing.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I keep going back to the pictures, to me if he was barefooted and just shoed I would not think his heels would be contracted they would have some spread to them. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 5:46 PM
I keep going back to the pictures, to me if he was barefooted and just shoed I would not think his heels would be contracted they would have some spread to them.
Not with heels that long... It takes frog pressure to expand the heels.. if the frog never hits the ground there is no expansion... thus..... contracted heels...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | komet. - 2015-03-21 6:15 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 5:46 PM I keep going back to the pictures, to me if he was barefooted and just shoed I would not think his heels would be contracted they would have some spread to them. Not with heels that long... It takes frog pressure to expand the heels.. if the frog never hits the ground there is no expansion... thus..... contracted heels...
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Location: SE Louisiana | Like I said.. the frog has to hit the ground to pump the blood and create expansion... Those heels are too long for the frog to contact the ground every step...It's like a halter horse... all heels no frog contact... contracted heels..
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Location: Phoenix | I don't think he's club-footed, what what do I know? It seems like his feet have always looked like this, regardless of the shoer. I have had the same horsehoer back home for years and years and he's well respected... The last shoer I used for the first time since being here really took his time I think he will help me get them to where they are supposed to be. I just need to know what to tell him. I can see that his toes are long. Are the angles too low? Like the heels should be more upright, but shorter? Keep in mind he is due to be reset, and the shoer is coming out next Saturday. Please excuse the lighting, I know it wasn't the best. Thanks in advance.
Standing:
Front right: (some taken from inside)
Front left: (some shots taken from the inside)
Left hind:
Right hind:
Fronts together:
Front hosed out:
Gahh they look horrendous. =( Next I will post another horse's feet that the guy also shoes.
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Location: Phoenix | Here's another horse that he also shoes. Better, worse or just right? I won't caption, just give you pictures:
Fronts:
Rears:
Dirty:
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Location: SE Louisiana | You don't have any rocks where you are do you? LOL!!!! OK now I understand... I don't have an answer for the cracks sorry..They almost look like the normal bar growing through..
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Your horse to me just looks unbalanced. And the other horse looks really mule footed. I dont like the looks of the shoe job. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Hopefully someone will get on here that can tell you what to do, I dont shoe horses but I know what I like on my own horses, thankfully I have a great shoer and he does his job. Maybe Farrierlady will get on here and can help you out.  |
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Location: Phoenix | The terrain around here is sandy, kind of gravelly, but not a whole lot of rocks. We do a fair share of riding through the hills but there's usually a cleared trail.
I'm going to see if I can sneak some pics of the other horses who are done by a different shoer. I wasn't a fan of those shoe jobs either though..... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | hammer_time - 2015-03-21 7:25 PM The terrain around here is sandy, kind of gravelly, but not a whole lot of rocks. We do a fair share of riding through the hills but there's usually a cleared trail.
I'm going to see if I can sneak some pics of the other horses who are done by a different shoer. I wasn't a fan of those shoe jobs either though.....
Try pm'ing FarrierLady I bet she can help you out, shes really good. |
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Location: ND | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 4:46 PM I keep going back to the pictures, to me if he was barefooted and just shoed I would not think his heels would be contracted they would have some spread to them.
Barefoot only benefits a horse if the trim is correct. If the horse is in the hands of a crummy trimmer being barefoot doesn't help anything. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SaraJean - 2015-03-21 7:31 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 4:46 PM I keep going back to the pictures, to me if he was barefooted and just shoed I would not think his heels would be contracted they would have some spread to them. Barefoot only benefits a horse if the trim is correct. If the horse is in the hands of a crummy trimmer being barefoot doesn't help anything.
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Location: ND | I don't like the work on either of your horses. The bay is a little better than the sorrel but still way more heel than I like. The sorrels feet look terrible (and I'm not saying this to be harsh to you) but he needs some major changes. His heels are underrun as well as way to high & i do not like how the farrier is dubbing the toe off in the front to "fit" into where he has the shoe set. |
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Location: ND | I'm going to post this just for comparison for you. I put the right front on your horse next to the same foot on one of mine. This is a horse I recently bought & am still working on getting is feet where I want him as I'm not totally happy with them yet but we're getting there.
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Location: SE Louisiana | SaraJean - 2015-03-21 7:38 PM
I'm going to post this just for comparison for you. I put the right front on your horse next to the same foot on one of mine. This is a horse I recently bought & am still working on getting is feet where I want him as I'm not totally happy with them yet but we're getting there.
Wow!! You have a good farrier... You can see the growth rings all the way down to the toe nail!!! (nice clenches too) |
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Location: ND | komet. - 2015-03-21 6:46 PM SaraJean - 2015-03-21 7:38 PM I'm going to post this just for comparison for you. I put the right front on your horse next to the same foot on one of mine. This is a horse I recently bought & am still working on getting is feet where I want him as I'm not totally happy with them yet but we're getting there. Wow!! You have a good farrier... You can see the growth rings all the way down to the toe nail!!! (nice clenches too )
Lol he's 6 years old, only been trimmed twice in his life before I brought him home in December. |
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Location: Phoenix | Hmm....this was the barefoot trim done in January. (Then shoes were put on in February, and now we at the end of March in the same set of shoes).
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Location: ND | I like the barefoot trim a lot better. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Are those old sole bruises?? All that black?? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I like the barefoot trim better too |
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Location: Phoenix | So can I try and shoot for the barefoot shape and put shoes on? If I do that, are there chances of it growing back the "wrong" way? I just don't think I have the patience to transition. Not to mention my horse is a complete baby and was 3 legged lame/ouchy. I know there's a boot, but I worry about them rubbing or falling off. I know I didn't try long last time, but I figured it was better to put him back into what he's always had: shoes. Ugh I'm so exasperated and worn out from worrying about this. I don't know if I should find another shoer (wouldn't know where to start) or if I should try this guy one more time and state my concerns. I mean, my horse isn't lame, so I shouldn't be beating myself up, but there's the center sulcus thrush and then I worry about permanent damage....if only the forum would recognize the emojis I want to use right now.....mostly the pouty sad ones!!
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Location: ND | Any chance you could get the barefoot trimmer to shoe? I have no issues with a horse being shod as long as the trim is correct underneath. |
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Location: Phoenix | I checked with her and she said she's only done the glue on ones.... |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Glue ons could be really helpful! Check out the new ones from easy care! I'm sure he was sore in a barefoot trim, you can see in the barefoot pics he doesn't have much of a frog and looks thrushy there too. So I'm guessing he would land toe first to protect the ouchy back of his foot. He will need protection in the form of boots or glue ons till that thrush is cleared up and he can build a healthy frog. |
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| How long has this horse had these shoes on? Looks like a ton of wear on the shoes and nail heads. If that's the case we cant judge the shoe job accurately. The second horse you posted, nothing wrong with that shoe job from the pictures. My impression is that this is a way over due shoe job and you can't say the farrier is bad from these pics. Show some pictures of a fresh shoe job. |
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Location: Phoenix | He's due to be shod. But so is the other horse. Perhaps he needs a shorter shoeing interval. I think I will try and pull his shoes the day before the shoer comes and do a round of Clean Trax to kill the thrush. In the meantime I will start treating the cracks this week. I've never had any experience with thrush so this is all new to me. His stall stays pretty dry and clean, but I know stalling doesn't help but he gets to stay turned out for 2 nights a week. |
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| What makes you think he has thrush? Every horse grows a different foot at a different pace. Some need to be done 4 weeks on the dot, some 6, 8, etc. You can't really go by a number for every horse. If you are afraid of thrush just wrap with sugar/iodine paste for a few days. But I don't think your horse looks thrushy. I honestly think you are worrying about nothing. And you said he is sound. Don't make a problem out of nothing, just get him reset more often IMHO People have an ideal foot in their head and think that's how all horses should be |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Since this was the first time this shoer shoed this horse I would give him another try, I would show him the pictures of the barefoot trim and show him the angles of the foot and how the heel is sitting. How long ago was this horse shoed? If this horse growns this much heel in a short time I would be having him reset more offten.
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Location: Phoenix | UPDATE 3/28: Had a different shoer out today. Another gal at the barn was using him and he was highly recommended. I really liked what I saw. He was explaining things to me and didn't do that thing where they rasp the hoof to meet the shoe. He said he had pretty thin walls, and you could see the bruising where the coffin bone was coming down because he was so steep. I felt so bad!!!! ??. I'm going to see how it all pans out but I think he did a good job. Time will tell but I'm hoping some other "slight" lameness issues will be resolved as his coffin bone gets to the correct angle. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | I would like to see pictures of the new shoer job. |
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| skye - 2015-03-28 10:20 PM
I would like to see pictures of the new shoer job.
Me too... |
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Money Eating Baggage Owner
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Location: Phoenix | I'll get some today. Hoping they pass BHW approval!! *crossing fingers*
His feed look different than what I'm used to seeing (which Is incorrect) so I'm hoping we took a step in the right direction. |
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Location: Iowa | This was a really good read that helped me with my farrier decisions! http://www.barrelracingtips.com/barefoot-trim-for-barrel-racing
Now does anyone want to post pictures of thier barefoot trims? (I would like to see if my farrier is doing a good job!) |
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| Has anyone watched the Happy Hoof on YouTube?
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Location: Sunny So Cal | can't wait to see the after photos! |
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Money Eating Baggage Owner
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Location: Phoenix | OK, HERE'S THE NEW SHOE JOB PICTURES. There's 5 days of growth at this time. I *think* his feet look better and it *seems* the angles have changed a little bit. I ended up using a new shoer. Hoping ya'll feel the same...... =/ Kinda nervous......
Left front:
Left rear:
Right rear:
Right front:
Fronts (couldn't get him square....make him look uneven?):
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Finished. |
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Location: California | It looks like there can still be a lot more taken down. But slowly so your horse doesn't get sore. |
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| Looks a lot better, I would like a shorter toe.
Also I suggest resetting every 4 weeks, the farrier won't take much off, but it will allow the foot to expand |
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| Looks good! I don't think the angles look a lot different, he just really needed to be done in the first pictures. I like how he gave him some support with the shoe in the heel. I wouldn't worry about any coffin bone pushing down on the sole, his feet are NOT bad and that wont be a problem. I am sure the bruise was just a bruise. Hopefully you can rest easy now, I think you don't have anything to worry about (And I think you could use either shoer and be okay) Just make sure he's done 4 to 5 weeks like Cheryl said and you should be great! |
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| I think this farrier did a much better job all the way around. 4 weeks reset agree! |
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| TLynn - 2015-04-03 9:59 AM
I think this farrier did a much better job all the way around. 4 weeks reset agree!
Based on an over due shoe job and a fresh shoe job? |
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Money Eating Baggage Owner
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Location: Phoenix | Thank you guys for the reassurance. I liked how this shoer didn't rasp the front of the hoof TO the shoe like the last one did (I can't remember the term for it...). I'm just glad I didn't use the farrier that every else was using at the time when I first got here. Feet were terribly underrun and overal poor looking. One girls horse got a hot nail and was 3 legged lame and wouldn't call her back! So thank goodness I didn't go that route. |
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| hammer_time - 2015-04-03 10:28 AM
Thank you guys for the reassurance. I liked how this shoer didn't rasp the front of the hoof TO the shoe like the last one did (I can't remember the term for it...). I'm just glad I didn't use the farrier that every else was using at the time when I first got here. Feet were terribly underrun and overal poor looking. One girls horse got a hot nail and was 3 legged lame and wouldn't call her back! So thank goodness I didn't go that route.
The second shoer actually did on a couple of the feet, rasp the toe down, he just didn't start far up like first farrier. The further down it is done the better as to not weaken the hoof wall. Neither farrier is going to cripple your horse per these pictures |
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Location: Southern Indiana | Okay I'm late in the game here but here's my take...the barefoot trim wasn't bad but his toes are really short and he still had a lot of heel that could have been rasped down. Also is you look at the quarters they are longer than the toe were as that should be even all the way around. This short toe/long heel plus all of the growth he did during the first shoeing made things a bit worse. He probably needs to be on a strict 4-5 week schedule. The cracks between the heels and the frog is from where they have contracted in and the valley that usually lays between the fog and bars has literally closed in. Go look at a healthy foot he will have a wide frog with a nice wide space between the heels, bars, and frog. This also shows you how long his heels were too. On to the most recent shoeing...his trim looks much better with a better balance of toe/heel length. However, personally I am not real thrilled with the shoe job it self. There is entirely too much heel of the shoe extending off the back of the foot. On the back feet a little is okay, but even there, there is more than I like to see. If that large of a shoe was necessary, then the heels should have been cut off the shoe to the proper length! And it looks like to me he rasped off way up the wall almost to the cornet band. The bottom 1/3 to not over 1/3 of the wall should have been rasped. The bottom of the foot also has several gap between it and the shoe where it is not flat and even with the shoe. Yes, sometimes horses have wear and you may have some slight gaps but with all that growth he should have been able to get the foot to fit flat and even to the shoe. And I will never understand why so many farriers leave so much clench, but that's a whole other story! |
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Location: Washington | Take cotton balls and soak them in coppertox then push those into those cracks in the frog. Do this until the trush is gone. |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | They look 100% better! I see what you're talking about with the first farrier. I don't know if it was so much that he was rasping the outside of it, but three quarters of the way down the foot, the angle actually changed a little. It didn't look right to me. Now these ones look right. Also, there is better asymetrical balance on each side of the frog. It's more even. Whereas in the first pictures, it looked like the frog was kind of off center. If they are not balanced properly, pressure on one side or another could cause cracks. I was going to say give the first farrier a chance since you just started using him, but now I'm glad you didn't because there's a big difference. Also, it could be because he was due to get done, but these shoes look like they fit better.
I can't tell if there's thrush but I would suggest squirting in Kopertox. I do that pretty regularly, not all the time, but whenever it's muddy or I haven't cleaned their feet in a while. Kind of as a preventative.
You should be proud of yourself. I think you are more knowledgeable than you give yourself credit for! You KNEW something wasn't right and you listened to your gut.
Your horse is beautiful, by the way. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | They look good, just dont wait to long to reset your horse, at 5 weeks at least, but depends on how fast he grows out. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | They still make me cringe. I'd treat for deep sulcus thrush for sure. |
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