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Location: Saskatchewan | My mare is boggling me. Some days she will be alright, and others she is a hot mess (more often than not now). I've rode naturally hot horses and this is way different, she'snervous, and completely spaced out. No amount of transitions or circles or lateral work gets her settled enough to even lope around the arena when shes having one of those bad days. Its not as if she's a runaway, I ride her in a loose ring snaffle to school without a problem, but yesterday, mom and I went out riding to check cows and from just jogging along and going for a little lope(turned into a bigger lope cause she was being a dunce) she was dripping in sweat.
I'm pretty sure its not the saddle, and if I take her on an all day ride at a round up or something, she has about an hour or so of jitters and stupidity and then settles once we are working.
I've heard a magnesium deficiency could be the problem? Her feed isn't hot, just hay at night and kicked out to graze on the dry hay field (hasn't started growing yet) all day. No grain or other supplements.
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Location: Saskatchewan | A picture of the donkey in question yesterday...
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| Because she is holding her head high, yet resting a rear leg, I wonder if it's not a pain issue. I cannot remember seeing a horse in this position without the handler purposely getting their head up which you obviously are not doing here. |
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| My first thought is pain also. I would have her checked by your vet and a good chiropractor. |
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Location: Saskatchewan | 
This was the same day. She was just eyeing up.some heifers or something, she normally.stands like she is in the second picture, I didn't post it cause she looks fat and ugly in it....
Ive been trying to locate a chiro (Im certified in equine massage therapy and have worked on her a ton, especially her back and hips) I was trained in some chiro, but I'mrrusty and a fresh set of hands would be nice.
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Location: Arkansas | She's not fat and ugly; I see those dapples just waiting to burst forth!! |
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| I usually keep my hotrod on Finish Line Cal-Mag during the show season. Last year when I switched out grain for Montana alfalfa she calmed down so much that she no longer needed it. But it works great to even out energy and calm overly busy horsie brains. |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | Chandler's Mom - 2015-03-28 12:51 AM She's not fat and ugly; I see those dapples just waiting to burst forth!!
What a sweet thing to say, so optimistic, my kind of post!  |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I like the magnesium from gateway products. Magnesium controls all functions of the body which makes it important to use. I like to use a combination of magnesium- calcium-phosphorous. B 1 also calms but increases appetite. I would add pure vitamin E/ no additional additives and electrolytes to prevent tying up. |
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Location: NW Arkansas | E-SE-Mag Pellets by MVP. They contain Vitamin E, Selenium and Magnesium. |
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| I have my horses on MagRestore and think it has helped all 3 out in different ways. https://shop.performanceequinenutrition.com/magrestore-p45.aspx This site has a lot of information about magnesium definciencies. It's not going to hurt her and after a week or so on it you would be able to tell if that's the problem. |
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Location: Arkansas | Thank you---I'm one of "those" people that see beauty and potential in them all. And my pocketbook (and heart) isn't sure that always a good thing!!
ETA sorry about going off thread
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| I too have a mare that has "those kinda days"lol. I have found excellent results with Magrestore by Performance Equine. She's on a maintenance dose of 2 scoops a day, plus the Focus prior to and on race day. She too eats a forage only diet plus her supplements. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I have some THE Calming Cookie samples. They are the older ones where you feed 2 (not expired though). Now with the new formula you feed only 1 and they have a better flavor for the horses, but I'd sure be willing to send out some of these if you think they may help. Either way THE has a 45 day money back guarantee if you want to try the new ones or even the Calming Powder. The powder is a hit with those that have horses that won't eat the cookies. It runs $40.95 for 30 cookies shipped and $45.95 for 32 doses of powder. |
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Location: Saskatchewan | I will have to do some more research!
Another thing, this horse doesn't seem keen on eating anything but oats. I usually throw some loose minerals in when I giveher oats after a ride and she seriously shifts tthrough the oats and leaves the salts. I tried some alfalfa cubes soaked and mixed with some oats and honey and acv and she didn't even touch it. I don't reeeally want to be graining her on oats daily in case that makes her hotter...
Is it possible to mix supplements up and syringe them orally? Or are feed pellets better?
I've only ever mixed feed for racehorses so Im not sure what to do with my own horses that I don't want fed that hhot |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I would nix the oats out of her diet. It can make one hot. I know the Renew Gold guy came on here and said Sherry Cervi fed Stingray oats to pump her up some. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Do a Google search for magnesium pellets or via min pellets she can eat the without grain. Might want to treat for ulcers since she is picky about her grain. |
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Location: Saskatchewan | She loves her oats, I don't grain daily, just a scoop after riding for a treat. She whinnies for them. All of my horses are odd and don't want to eat anything but oats. They even turn their noses at horse cookies for crying out loud! |
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Location: PNW | I have had fantastic results with Silver Lining Herbs "keep cool" for my gelding who sounds just like your mare. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Green top tube and blood work to verify the low mag. may have to send in to large university to get his lab run. You can feed epsom salts but you don't want to do this long term as it will cause diarrhea. But if the horse responds favorably to the salts then go with a supplement that won't cause the diarrhea. Very common problem in our race fillies. |
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| I Would like to share some very important information on mag. deficiency that i don't think alot of people no.Horses will act the same if they are deficient or Toxic!!please get your horse tested, best thing i ever did!! I have told so many people but they dont seam to care i hope u will look into tgis though. So i have a mare that i was always being told to give her magnesium and im so glad i waited and did a horse hair analysis!!!i would have over dosed my mare with magnesium and she was already Toxic . Knowledge is power the test also showed my mare had other things going on that im very thankful for! there is so much more to feeding correctly then giving supplement, You cannot properly supplement your horse if you dont no what is going on with them , you are. literally throwing randome things at them that they may need but could already have to much of and will not help the unbalance. I can post pictures of my results to show you more buti can't STRESS enough on getting your horse tested before throwing stuff at them, it will save u time and money! you can do blood tests but they are not as accurate and will only show you what is going on in a small window. the horse hair test gives u a 6 mo. window and is soooo accurate! hope this helps and u can message me if u have more questions. :) |
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| wranglerone - 2015-03-29 11:05 PM
I Would like to share some very important information on mag. deficiency that i don't think alot of people no.Horses will act the same if they are deficient or Toxic!!please get your horse tested, best thing i ever did!! I have told so many people but they dont seam to care i hope u will look into tgis though. So i have a mare that i was always being told to give her magnesium and im so glad i waited and did a horse hair analysis!!!i would have over dosed my mare with magnesium and she was already Toxic . Knowledge is power the test also showed my mare had other things going on that im very thankful for! there is so much more to feeding correctly then giving supplement, You cannot properly supplement your horse if you dont no what is going on with them , you are. literally throwing randome things at them that they may need but could already have to much of and will not help the unbalance. I can post pictures of my results to show you more buti can't STRESS enough on getting your horse tested before throwing stuff at them, it will save u time and money! you can do blood tests but they are not as accurate and will only show you what is going on in a small window. the horse hair test gives u a 6 mo. window and is soooo accurate! hope this helps and u can message me if u have more questions. :)
Did you do horse hair analysis through the HHA company or what? |
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| yes i did deside to use HHA through depaolo he is really great and u don't have to buy products through them |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Will you post your analysis so we can see what they look like? How much was it? |
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Location: Saskatchewan | 
Time for a little update post. So all spring I hhaven't seen her play or run around like an idiot, but, a couple days ago I gave her a good massage and a little adjustment and lo and behold while everyone else was drinking, this goober was bucking and doing silly tthings. And when they high tailed it out of there, she was running up at the front...
So she must be feeling better but I tthink I will just try a calming supplement (herbal if Ican) for starters. |
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Location: who knows? | wranglerone - 2015-03-30 9:05 PM I Would like to share some very important information on mag. deficiency that i don't think alot of people no.Horses will act the same if they are deficient or Toxic!!please get your horse tested, best thing i ever did!! I have told so many people but they dont seam to care i hope u will look into tgis though. So i have a mare that i was always being told to give her magnesium and im so glad i waited and did a horse hair analysis!!!i would have over dosed my mare with magnesium and she was already Toxic . Knowledge is power the test also showed my mare had other things going on that im very thankful for! there is so much more to feeding correctly then giving supplement, You cannot properly supplement your horse if you dont no what is going on with them , you are. literally throwing randome things at them that they may need but could already have to much of and will not help the unbalance. I can post pictures of my results to show you more buti can't STRESS enough on getting your horse tested before throwing stuff at them, it will save u time and money! you can do blood tests but they are not as accurate and will only show you what is going on in a small window. the horse hair test gives u a 6 mo. window and is soooo accurate! hope this helps and u can message me if u have more questions. :)
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| nvrenuf - 2015-03-31 10:45 AM
wranglerone - 2015-03-30 9:05 PM I Would like to share some very important information on mag. deficiency that i don't think alot of people no.Horses will act the same if they are deficient or Toxic!!please get your horse tested, best thing i ever did!! I have told so many people but they dont seam to care i hope u will look into tgis though. So i have a mare that i was always being told to give her magnesium and im so glad i waited and did a horse hair analysis!!!i would have over dosed my mare with magnesium and she was already Toxic . Knowledge is power the test also showed my mare had other things going on that im very thankful for! there is so much more to feeding correctly then giving supplement, You cannot properly supplement your horse if you dont no what is going on with them , you are. literally throwing randome things at them that they may need but could already have to much of and will not help the unbalance. I can post pictures of my results to show you more buti can't STRESS enough on getting your horse tested before throwing stuff at them, it will save u time and money! you can do blood tests but they are not as accurate and will only show you what is going on in a small window. the horse hair test gives u a 6 mo. window and is soooo accurate! hope this helps and u can message me if u have more questions. :)
Can you give info as to where to get the analysis done???
Its through Horse Hair Analysis....Dr. Depaulo equine concepts. They are a banner advertiser on here, pic with Jolene Montgomery. |
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Magnesium and hot nervous horse
