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Need opinion from those who are experienced buyers/sellers
wwoodsbhorses
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2015-03-28 11:04 AM
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Anyone in the business of buying and selling horses and know all the "rules?"

Recently ran into a sticky situation where I was the purchaser and not sure what I can do, and what is the right thing for me to do. I do not do this for a living, and it has been a long time since I have bought, and normally don't sell either...and when I have sold have never had issues.

6 hours after purchasing a horse that I was told was 100% sound and had recently passed a Vet check, horse was visibly lame. Seller then admits Vet that did prior Vet check did find issues , but seller says did not know about it until they now asked- and they never noticed it while riding.
Don't want to put too much out there, but if you think you could help or have experience please comment and i'll PM ya, or vice versa.
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SaraJean
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Posted 2015-03-28 11:36 AM
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Unfotunately I doubt there is much you can do. It's never a good idea to take someone word on a horse being sound or having passed a vet check. You want to have YOUR vet perform a vet check prior to purchase to protect yourself.  
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 If you didn't do the vet check and the seller won't work with you, you are stuck with the horse. Sorry to be the one to tell you. You could ask for records from the vet that checked the horse. I don't know if they will let you have them......it could possibly be something treatable too. You might have some recourse with the vet records. I doubt you'll get them though. Sorry.
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Posted 2015-03-28 12:03 PM
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If the seller has any reputation they want to protect, go for it. Take the horse back, stop payment on they check and cut and run.
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How long has it been since all this took place? Or let me put it a differnt way , How long have you had the horse now?
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Vickie - 2015-03-28 12:03 PM If the seller has any reputation they want to protect, go for it. Take the horse back, stop payment on they check and cut and run.

And, there's this too  
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wwoodsbhorses
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Posted 2015-03-28 1:06 PM
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It's only been 3 days, happened once I got the horse home.  
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Posted 2015-03-28 1:42 PM
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I'd take the horse back...demand your money back.
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wwoodsbhorses - 2015-03-28 1:06 PM It's only been 3 days, happened once I got the horse home.  

Since its only been 3 days and the horse is lame I would take the horse back too. Have you talked to the seller about this horse being lame? 
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I would be calling them and tell them that you are not happy with this deal and that you are bringing the horse back, hopefully these are decent people and will take the horse back.  

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wwoodsbhorses - 2015-03-28 1:06 PM It's only been 3 days, happened once I got the horse home.  
Since its only been 3 days and the horse is lame I would take the horse back too. Have you talked to the seller about this horse being lame? 

Yep, cancel the check and bring the horse back. If they have cashed the check, you may have problems with them.
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wwoodsbhorses - 2015-03-28 1:06 PM It's only been 3 days, happened once I got the horse home.  
Since its only been 3 days and the horse is lame I would take the horse back too. Have you talked to the seller about this horse being lame? 
Yep, cancel the check and bring the horse back. If they have cashed the check, you may have problems with them.

 Yept......First thing Monday morning I would be calling my bank to see if the check was cashed yet. Oh gosh,, did you pay with a check? Sure hope so....
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wwoodsbhorses - 2015-03-28 1:06 PM It's only been 3 days, happened once I got the horse home.  
Since its only been 3 days and the horse is lame I would take the horse back too. Have you talked to the seller about this horse being lame? 
Yep, cancel the check and bring the horse back. If they have cashed the check, you may have problems with them.
 Yept......First thing Monday morning I would be calling my bank to see if the check was cashed yet. Oh gosh,, did you pay with a check? Sure hope so....

Another fine question lol. 
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Posted 2015-03-28 4:16 PM
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wwoodsbhorses - 2015-03-28 1:06 PM It's only been 3 days, happened once I got the horse home.  
Since its only been 3 days and the horse is lame I would take the horse back too. Have you talked to the seller about this horse being lame? 
Yep, cancel the check and bring the horse back. If they have cashed the check, you may have problems with them.
 Yept......First thing Monday morning I would be calling my bank to see if the check was cashed yet. Oh gosh,, did you pay with a check? Sure hope so....
Another fine question lol. 

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Posted 2015-03-28 4:35 PM
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 Legally nothing........but morally the seller should take horse back BUT she can also say horse was sound when it left.. the vet cant by law give you records.. you should have had a vet check done...How many threads have been on here about that!!lol... but you didnt so Id have a vet lameness exam and see what your dealing with.. good luck..with that said though if you can prove horses prior vet records showed a preexisting major issue then go to court.. I doubt you will win but the sellers name will get dragged thru the mud and that may pursuade them to give money back..

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EqualRanch
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-03-28 8:19 PM
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I agree with the above posts. Luckily it has only been 3 days, and you can stop payment on the check, if you paid with a check. 


Just curious, and/or nosey, when was the vet check done? 
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Posted 2015-03-29 6:52 AM
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What are the lamness issues.
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What are the issues the vet found during the check? It's always possible the horse got hurt in the trailer ride home. I would want more info. before I started going after the seller. Imagine if you sold a horse, it got hurt on the ride from your home to its new home, and the buyer wanted to bring back a lame horse and get their money back? Not saying this is what happened, just need more info
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Check the laws regarding canceling a check after you purchased and possess the item that was bought, in some states this is illegal and could get you in hot water. Talk with the seller, are they willing to take the horse back? Is the lameness issue something that is chronic or acute and can be addressed without future issue effecting the horse? If it is something you could treat, even long term and still have a useable horse and would be willing to accept or if the seller is not able or willing to take the horse back, ask for a partial refund to what you think the horses actual value would be.
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Posted 2015-03-29 11:11 AM
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wwoodsbhorses - 2015-03-28 1:06 PM It's only been 3 days, happened once I got the horse home.  
Since its only been 3 days and the horse is lame I would take the horse back too. Have you talked to the seller about this horse being lame? 
Yep, cancel the check and bring the horse back. If they have cashed the check, you may have problems with them.
 Yept......First thing Monday morning I would be calling my bank to see if the check was cashed yet. Oh gosh,, did you pay with a check? Sure hope so....
Another fine question lol. 
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Lol, I did in fact pay with a check.

The Vet check was done within 6 months. I did think maybe it could have been stiffness from the trailer ride until the seller got back to me. The seller told me they would get me more info on the Vet record because they couldn't remember specifics, but never did
. All I know is that I told the seller about the lameness, and the seller pinpointed the exact location of where I saw the issue so I knew it was in fact a pre-existing condition.
My Vet will charge 75 farm call and at least 75 for a lameness exam base price before having to do any blocking, or x-rays of course. I had thought about doing this but didn't want to be out that much more cash and still find out horse isn't usable.
Told seller I would be bringing horse back, which is another day trip at my expense. On top of the fact that seller has limited availability of when I can bring it back to which I won't be available, and my work schedule is so hectic i'm not sure when I can get it back up there.

Thinking it may be worth having my Vet out? Highly doubt seller would take lower price just from tone of things.




 
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So appearantly the seller knew fullwell there was a pre-existing issue and lied to you anyway saying the horse was 100% sound. There is alot you can do and I'd make the seller meet half way to retrieve their lame duck.   
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I'd call the seller and see if they would be willing to take the horse back. If they aren't there isn't a lot you can do about it.

Call the seller and be calm and courteous and explain that you aren't happy with the horse because it is lame and that you'd like to return the horse and get your money back. If they agree then MAKE time in your schedule and get that horse back. Leaving it lame on your property won't help the situation and in fact can backfire on you.

If they'll take it back get it packed up and on it's way whether you have to call a friend, take a day off or do whatever it is you have to do to get it back there FAST.
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I have to agree with, if they will take it back to get it back there fast and chalk this up as a learning experience.  
I recently had a dealing with someone that I sold a horse too that I had reservations about selling to, but I had driven 5 hours to Texas to pick her up from the 1st person that bought the mare (who is going through a divorce, which I understand) and let this lady, who was a friend to the first lady, buy her once I got there. They never mentioned this to me before I made that trip. I let her go for a ridiculously low price, because I let my heart make the call, instead of my brain. Anyhow, the next day the 2nd lady phones saying that when she got home, her husband got very angry that she had bought the horse. So, I made arrangements with two trainers in an attempt to do what was best for the filly because I couldn't put her for sale again after selling her twice within a few months (because it would look like something was wrong with the filly, when there isn't). After all of my arrangements, the 2nd lady calls me back and says she wants me to cash the check because she has talked to her husband and does want her now. At that point I'd had enough. It was a week of making arrangements, but we finally got her in one of the trainer's hands with daily calls from this lady asking to keep her. She's now in Oklahoma getting her training.
I know this has nothing to do with you and I probably just wanted to tell my story lol to get it out. The best thing that can come out of your situation, in my opinion, is for you to get that horse back to the owner and get your money back. I would recommend you doing a vet check next time. Good luck. I hope it all works out.
Thanks for letting me get my little story out lol.

 
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wwoodsbhorses - 2015-03-28 1:06 PM It's only been 3 days, happened once I got the horse home.  
Since its only been 3 days and the horse is lame I would take the horse back too. Have you talked to the seller about this horse being lame? 
Yep, cancel the check and bring the horse back. If they have cashed the check, you may have problems with them.
 Yept......First thing Monday morning I would be calling my bank to see if the check was cashed yet. Oh gosh,, did you pay with a check? Sure hope so....
Another fine question lol. 
I try, just nosey mostly  
Lol, I did in fact pay with a check.



The Vet check was done within 6 months. I did think maybe it could have been stiffness from the trailer ride until the seller got back to me. The seller told me they would get me more info on the Vet record because they couldn't remember specifics, but never did

. All I know is that I told the seller about the lameness, and the seller pinpointed the exact location of where I saw the issue so I knew it was in fact a pre-existing condition.

My Vet will charge 75 farm call and at least 75 for a lameness exam base price before having to do any blocking, or x-rays of course. I had thought about doing this but didn't want to be out that much more cash and still find out horse isn't usable.

Told seller I would be bringing horse back, which is another day trip at my expense. On top of the fact that seller has limited availability of when I can bring it back to which I won't be available, and my work schedule is so hectic i'm not sure when I can get it back up there.



Thinking it may be worth having my Vet out? Highly doubt seller would take lower price just from tone of things.








 

If they are willing to take the horse back do it now dont wait, the longer you wait they may change their mind about taking it back. And they could try to blame you for the lamness, so take it back within a few days. This could kick you in the butt if you wait to long, something else could happen to the horse while in your care.
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SouthTX is right! I know that would be my luck...

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wwoodsbhorses
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 Oh, I know. That's all I can think about. If I had a padded stall it's safe to say I'd put the horse in it! Lol! Thanks for all your helpJust frustrated that if the seller would have told me in the first place, I would not have even wasted the fuel to go get it, let alone drive it back. There goes a portion of my new horse fund. And if I were the seller and knew the purchaser wasn't happy, I would have been driving myself to pick up my horse.But yes, lesson learned.
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I would take the horse back today, not tomorrow, TODAY.  Take the time off work, do what you have to do, get that horse returned to the seller and pronto - the longer you have the horse in your possession,  the easier it is for the seller to claim that it is your fault.  The responsibility for the PPE is on the buyer and I personally would not accept a 6 month old vet check.  6 months is a long time and anything can happen in 6 months. 

Did you  talk to the vet that did the alleged vet check?  Did your vet talk to them?  Just take the horse back to the seller and chalk up the loss as a lesson learned.

 
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wwoodsbhorses - 2015-03-28 1:06 PM It's only been 3 days, happened once I got the horse home.  
Since its only been 3 days and the horse is lame I would take the horse back too. Have you talked to the seller about this horse being lame? 
Yep, cancel the check and bring the horse back. If they have cashed the check, you may have problems with them.
 Yept......First thing Monday morning I would be calling my bank to see if the check was cashed yet. Oh gosh,, did you pay with a check? Sure hope so....
Another fine question lol. 
I try, just nosey mostly  
Lol, I did in fact pay with a check.



The Vet check was done within 6 months. I did think maybe it could have been stiffness from the trailer ride until the seller got back to me. The seller told me they would get me more info on the Vet record because they couldn't remember specifics, but never did

. All I know is that I told the seller about the lameness, and the seller pinpointed the exact location of where I saw the issue so I knew it was in fact a pre-existing condition.

My Vet will charge 75 farm call and at least 75 for a lameness exam base price before having to do any blocking, or x-rays of course. I had thought about doing this but didn't want to be out that much more cash and still find out horse isn't usable.

Told seller I would be bringing horse back, which is another day trip at my expense. On top of the fact that seller has limited availability of when I can bring it back to which I won't be available, and my work schedule is so hectic i'm not sure when I can get it back up there.



Thinking it may be worth having my Vet out? Highly doubt seller would take lower price just from tone of things.








 

THIS ^^^^^ is not your problem....since you have it in writing that you will be bringing the horse back if there is "any" problems and you contacted her within 24 hours....it is HER responsibility to be available for you to bring the horse back. I would NOT wait past the "week" allowed......JMO ! 
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I honestly thought you would be loaded up and driving the horse back today.  
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I honestly thought you would be loaded up and driving the horse back today.  

 The seller has refused to meet today, and tomorrow. Can hardly haul several hours and just leave the horse.
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did you put a stop payment on the check?
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ThreeCorners - 2015-03-30 12:27 PM I honestly thought you would be loaded up and driving the horse back today.  
 The seller has refused to meet today, and tomorrow. Can hardly haul several hours and just leave the horse.
I would......She is stalling you to get past your week in the written agreement. Take him home, tie him in a stall (take a picture and a witness) and leave.

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Then send her a text..Yo, your horse is tied in his stall. I canceled the check. Buh bye. 
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Can I ask how much you paid for this horse? Just curious... 
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TwistedK - 2015-03-30 1:59 PM did you put a stop payment on the check?

^^^^ THIS! And, if they agreed to take it back, but won't work with you to be available, I would take it back whether they were home or not. It never hurt a horse to stand tied anyways.... 
 
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LRQHS - 2015-03-30 2:10 PM Can I ask how much you paid for this horse? Just curious... 

At this point I would hope no more than free. 

But really, just take it back. This horse is already costing you extra, besides feed, and generally if they are a headache from the beginning chances are they will remain that way. 


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 I did cancel the check.
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wwoodsbhorses - 2015-03-30 2:27 PM  I did cancel the check.

Good girl start on the right path.. THey may work better with you if the check doesn't clear. 
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wwoodsbhorses - 2015-03-30 2:27 PM  I did cancel the check.

Glad to hear this , now get that horse back to where it belongs  
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wwoodsbhorses
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2015-03-30 11:09 PM
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 Well, update. I gave the seller many different days I could come AGAIN tonight. Seller insisted on Tuesday only. I then changed plans around again (mind you, at th hand of someone else's rig) but can only get there in the evening. Seller told me this was absolutely unacceptable if I could not be there before noon... and the location where I picked the horse up is not where she lives apparently... Do I still drop this horse off at a facility that isn't even theirs that they insist I'm not welcome at unless they're present? This is so overwhelming. Are they now responsible for retrieving their own animal?
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svincent
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2015-03-30 11:17 PM
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Yes. Show up, unload the horse "hey I'm here to drop this horse for Shady Seller, where does it go?" And leave.
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EqualRanch
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-03-30 11:32 PM
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I cannot stand people who INSIST on being difficult! 
The only thing I can suggest is try to talk to her again, and tell her to work with you about picking the horse up or she can come get it herself. 
You have not done anything wrong, you stopped payment on the check, have contacted the seller about the lameness and I'm assuming have messages or calls saved. Just to cover all your bases, it wouldn't hurt to have the local sheriff's department make a report, incase the seller tries to say the horse is stolen or y'all go to court - heaven forbid. The report will simply show you are attempting to return the horse, but the seller will not work with you. 

Sticky situations suck, but hopefully it ends soon. Keep us updated! 


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wwoodsbhorses
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2015-03-30 11:49 PM
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EqualRanch - 2015-03-30 11:32 PM

I cannot stand people who INSIST on being difficult! 
The only thing I can suggest is try to talk to her again, and tell her to work with you about picking the horse up or she can come get it herself. 
You have not done anything wrong, you stopped payment on the check, have contacted the seller about the lameness and I'm assuming have messages or calls saved. Just to cover all your bases, it wouldn't hurt to have the local sheriff's department make a report, incase the seller tries to say the horse is stolen or y'all go to court - heaven forbid. The report will simply show you are attempting to return the horse, but the seller will not work with you. 

Sticky situations suck, but hopefully it ends soon. Keep us updated! 

 You and me both! I just can't even fathom why someone would act like this. Of course now they're trying to say the lameness is minor and "doesn't cause pain." I sent one final text saying that she either needs to make herself available as I have done, or she can get the horse from my location at her expense. I even offered to give her the fuel money to come out here.Great tip with the sherrif, didn't even think of that. That's what I'm afraid of is getting into a big legal bind that I tried to avoid. Thanks everyone
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brlracerchick
Reg. Jun 2010
Posted 2015-03-31 12:03 AM
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suzy2qtee - 2015-03-30 5:07 PM DOES the hippa law pertain to livestock?? Serious question. I understand that You didn't  pay the bill in nunyas business. But is it illegal? 

somewhat, yes. I have a friend that works at a clinic I took my horse to quite a few years ago. I asked her to get me a copy of the xrays we had taken just for my personal reference. She couldn't do it by herself. I would have had to go in and sign for them.  
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2015-03-31 10:31 AM
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Wow, now she's being a Bit** over this, and being very spiteful to you over something THAT she did was wrong. I would just let her know if she dont want to be there to get the horse from you and she keeps yanking your chain, I would call the Sheriff and tell them your problem and then I would let her know that she needs to come and pick up her horse, BUT you will be charging her xamount of money a day for feed and board. Maybe that will light a fire under her butt, LOL. Non of this is your fault, she's the one that keeps putting you off.
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2015-03-31 10:34 AM
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EqualRanch - 2015-03-30 11:32 PM I cannot stand people who INSIST on being difficult! 

The only thing I can suggest is try to talk to her again, and tell her to work with you about picking the horse up or she can come get it herself. 

You have not done anything wrong, you stopped payment on the check, have contacted the seller about the lameness and I'm assuming have messages or calls saved. Just to cover all your bases, it wouldn't hurt to have the local sheriff's department make a report, incase the seller tries to say the horse is stolen or y'all go to court - heaven forbid. The report will simply show you are attempting to return the horse, but the seller will not work with you. 



Sticky situations suck, but hopefully it ends soon. Keep us updated! 

I'm with you on this type of person, I hate dealing with someone like this.  
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ThreeCorners
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2015-03-31 10:52 AM
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Tell her then she needs to make arrangements for someone, anyone to be there or you'll just put him in a pen and she can move him around later. Or she can retrieve him from the local fairgrounds. He'll be in a stall or pen there.  
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Southtxponygirl
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Posted 2015-03-31 9:32 PM
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Sending prayers, this is really turning into a big mess for her.   
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Next to Heaven
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2015-04-01 9:19 AM
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I was in a very similar situation. Went and tried a horse on a sat, 4 hours away, he sounded perfect so I took my trailer and left with him. I did have red flags when I got there as she was already lightly working him but thought maybe she just doesn't know common curtsey is to wait for the seller to do everything. I had met her at a different facility that was not where she kept her horses or lived. We had a verbal agreement that I would have him vetted on Monday and then call her to let her know he passed before she did anything with the money. He did NOT pass, showed navicular changes (my vet stated he would be completely lame in just 2 years) and when I called her she stated there was no way he was lame. I also noticed that when I looked at his papers, it wasnt even the same horse, neither were his coggins and they didn't match each other either. I wanted to return him that day, but she kept moving the days, and making it a hassle for me. Then a week later, offered me the horse at half price. I didn't want a lame horse at all! I finally had to have my sister just drive him home, where the woman actually lives, and drop him in her front yard with the daughter of the woman, my sister took a quick photo and left. I was out about $1,000 of expenses, diesel, vet cost and check cancel fee and I now know 1 red flag is a deal breaker to me.
I sure hope this works out for you!
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wwoodsbhorses
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2015-04-01 11:38 AM
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Next to Heaven - 2015-04-01 9:19 AM

I was in a very similar situation. Went and tried a horse on a sat, 4 hours away, he sounded perfect so I took my trailer and left with him. I did have red flags when I got there as she was already lightly working him but thought maybe she just doesn't know common curtsey is to wait for the seller to do everything. I had met her at a different facility that was not where she kept her horses or lived. We had a verbal agreement that I would have him vetted on Monday and then call her to let her know he passed before she did anything with the money. He did NOT pass, showed navicular changes (my vet stated he would be completely lame in just 2 years) and when I called her she stated there was no way he was lame. I also noticed that when I looked at his papers, it wasnt even the same horse, neither were his coggins and they didn't match each other either. I wanted to return him that day, but she kept moving the days, and making it a hassle for me. Then a week later, offered me the horse at half price. I didn't want a lame horse at all! I finally had to have my sister just drive him home, where the woman actually lives, and drop him in her front yard with the daughter of the woman, my sister took a quick photo and left. I was out about $1,000 of expenses, diesel, vet cost and check cancel fee and I now know 1 red flag is a deal breaker to me.
I sure hope this works out for you!

 Oh, wow!!! Too similar it's eerie. I am SO SORRY. My heart breaks for you. I too will be out several hundred after all this. It is sad that we live in a world where there are so many dishonest people, it truly tarnishes the good honest horsemen out there who still exist like ourselves, and the many wonderful women I've had the pleasure of speaking to from this forum.She tried getting out of meeting me today for the 3rd time and I said have someone there to receive the horse! Woman called 3 PD departments for Petes sake!
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2015-04-01 11:48 AM
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SmokinBandits
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2015-04-01 10:32 PM
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I hope you went today and dropped the horse off. You definitely can't be wishy washy with this chick. It's obvious she was trying to unload that horse.

I'm horse shopping now. Sadly, horse people have a bad reputation for a reason. This kind of stuff happens way too often. I almost bought a problem horse recently. Luckily I found out about it before I picked her up. But I did give a deposit which I had to put a stop payment on. It was a stressful situation but I was lucky I didn't actually get the horse like you. 

One good lesson here that I want to remember is to always find out where the seller actually lives.  
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