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Location: North Dakota | I am so very proud of my horse Red! On our first weekend of barrel racing for the year, he pulled his first check in the 2D. He took 3rd place. I am really excited for the year, as the best he did last year was the bottom of the 2D. And we struggled with some lameness problems last year but DANG he feels good now!
I literally picked him up from the reining trainer Friday night (was getting some training on spins and flying lead changes) and we barrel raced Saturday and Sunday. He is so soft in my hands; I just love it!
I'm still getting my other videos put up, but this is our run. The winning time of that heat was a 14.4 something and we had a 15.062. There was 48 runners in this go.
What do you see that I can do differently for him, to maybe break that 1D barrier? He currently doesn't have his back shoes on (since I didn't want rim shoes on his back feet while the reining trainer was working on spins!!!) but those will be getting put back on Friday of this week. From previous experience, I feel like he runs better with his back shoes on. Makes him more confident.
https://youtu.be/05mQ3umCPo8
He is very raty. I have to be really careful I push him to his spot or he'll try to turn. (We barely tipped the 2nd on our first run. It was my fault for stupidly looking AT the barrel.)
I think we can tighten up the backside of our first barrel. I'm still trying to figure out the exact angle I need to take him into the first barrel. I think that's the part I struggle with the most.
Second barrel we could have finished a little tighter but I guess it was okay. I was happy I got him to his "spot" this time.
Third barrel I took him into it too wide, and brought him out too wide. I need to clean that up. I originally thought our third barrel was pretty good but that's why I love being video'ed to see that I could have done it better.
On a side note, I apologize that my back cinch was loose during the run. I was standing there when they posted the 2nd draw while the arena was being dug and Red and I were #1 on the list in the order of go. I asked her when they would be starting (thinking there would be a short break) and she said once they were done digging the arena!!!!!!! I ran back to my trailer, thankful I at least left Red's saddle on. Had to get his boots on again, breastcollar, grab his bridle and get back inside. Literally walked inside once they were ready to start. Plumb forgot to tighten my back cinch.
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Location: Texas | Do you ever breeze him? |
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | Yes I do.
He hasn't gotten breezed yet this year, since he was at the reining trainer's for the past month, and before that it was still too icy to do much more than walk or trot very carefully (I don't have an indoor).
I'm extremely happy for how well he did this weekend, despite not having his full lung capacity yet. But now that I got him back, I will be breezing him like I usually do (usually once or twice a week).
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Location: Sperry, OK | I wouldn't put "rim" shoes on his hind. They catch too much and cause a lot of soreness in the hindend. As good as he was barefoot in the hind, I would only put keg shoes on, if you felt he needed them.
Only things I see to improve time wise is.. finish your second barrel a little more.. two strides out and you were still trying to pull him to the left a little.. and I think you have too much pocket on the 3rd, once he rates for the 3rd it takes him 3 strides just to get to the back side, becuase you are too far away. Then like someone else said breeze him to get him to fire and simply run harder.
Edited by ACEINTHEHOLE 2015-03-30 2:21 PM
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | Oops, maybe I should check my terminology before I put my foot in my mouth. I *think* he has been wearing a rim shoe.
What's a keg shoe? I've never heard of that term.
In all reality, I am relatively new to the world of shoes. Red has to have on front shoes because he has heel pain, probably from a bursitis (would need an MRI to confirm. Vet(s) and I decided it wasn't worth it) because we use a flat shoe with a 2 degree pad. This is what he gets on his front feet:
I agree that he handled this arena quite well, but other arenas he doesn't. When I had him shoe'ed in the back last year, I can count on one hand how many times he actually slipped with his back end while running barrels. The year before (with no back shoes) there were many arenas he had trouble with. So I do know that he does better with shoes on the back.
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | A keg shoe is just a brand of shoe, like Diamond or any of the others. I would put the same shoe on the back that you have on the front. An actual barrel shoe or rim shoe will/can cause a lot of soreness in the hocks and stifles. With the rims, they catch and cause the back end not to be able to slide as good, they have to work harder to use their rear, causing more wear and tear and pain. |
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-03-30 3:14 PM A keg shoe is just a brand of shoe, like Diamond or any of the others. I would put the same shoe on the back that you have on the front. An actual barrel shoe or rim shoe will/can cause a lot of soreness in the hocks and stifles. With the rims, they catch and cause the back end not to be able to slide as good, they have to work harder to use their rear, causing more wear and tear and pain.
He gets the same in the back.
So that's not a rim shoe?
What type of shoe would you call that?
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Location: North Dakota | Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but your current shoe looks like your basic eventer shoe to me and I believe those are considered rimmed shoes. My understanding of the difference btwn the keg shoe and the eventer is the groove. The basic keg does not have the groove all the way around like the eventer does, so you should in theory have less toe grab.
My suggestion would be to talk to Allan and see what he recommends and go from there.
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2015-03-30 4:22 PM Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but your current shoe looks like your basic eventer shoe to me and I believe those are considered rimmed shoes. My understanding of the difference btwn the keg shoe and the eventer is the groove. The basic keg does not have the groove all the way around like the eventer does, so you should in theory have less toe grab.
My suggestion would be to talk to Allan and see what he recommends and go from there.
That IS what Allan recommends.  Probably why I don't know the actual name of the shoes Red is in, because I trust Allan to put the right ones on for barrel racing. I totally thought he called it a rim shoe. But I will ask him on Friday!
Last time I was there, he even said we could try an actual wedged shoe for Red for his front feet (with a support under it for frog support), instead of doing the flat shoe with the wedge pad. I'm kind of scared to switch up his front shoes though, after his good run this weekend. I might just keep it the same for now, and maybe try it later in the year and see if it makes any difference.
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| About the shoe types, a keg shoe is another name for a machine made shoe, this can be any brand. Your horse is wearing keg shoes. They are the standard plates, sometimes they're also called flats, slicks, or plain shoes. There's alot of different names for them. Rims have the groove all the way around the shoe and they give you more traction. |
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | teebluesage - 2015-03-30 5:21 PM About the shoe types, a keg shoe is another name for a machine made shoe, this can be any brand. Your horse is wearing keg shoes. They are the standard plates, sometimes they're also called flats, slicks, or plain shoes. There's alot of different names for them. Rims have the groove all the way around the shoe and they give you more traction.
So then this would be a rim shoe, since it goes all the way around?
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I'll give it a go, since I can tell you better then I can usually do it myself, but the only major things I see is that you're not finishing your 2nd and slightly didn't finish your third. You're giving it back a little to soon. First barrel was spot on, he's got a really nice first. You missed your spot on the 3rd, to wide, other that maybe him being a little to fat and out of shape (I don't know this for a fact but he looks a little to big to me, could be how he's built but not sure) it looks pretty darn good.
As for shoes, I don't know much, both of mine are barefoot in the back, aluminums up front ang my other mare is completely barefoot. |
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| You looked good. You improved from last year. Your shoes are fine and seem to be working. Everything is coming together don't make changes. If it ain't broke don't fix it. |
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Location: Montana | Nice! Not a good one at critiquing, but just want to congratulate you!  |
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| r_beau - 2015-03-30 5:43 PM
teebluesage - 2015-03-30 5:21 PM About the shoe types, a keg shoe is another name for a machine made shoe, this can be any brand. Your horse is wearing keg shoes. They are the standard plates, sometimes they're also called flats, slicks, or plain shoes. There's alot of different names for them. Rims have the groove all the way around the shoe and they give you more traction.
So then this would be a rim shoe, since it goes all the way around?
Yes, that's a rim shoe. I like to use them on the fronts. |
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what a NICE run! Super nice horse too! |
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Location: North Dakota | RnRJack - 2015-03-30 6:03 PM other that maybe him being a little to fat and out of shape (I don't know this for a fact but he looks a little to big to me, could be how he's built but not sure)
I get this comment ALOT so I just want to debunk it right off the bat.
He's actually as SLIM as he's ever been, after being at the reining trainers. He is not a thorough-bred-looking horse and he is never going to be. He is a 1,300 pound 15.2 quarter horse. He is certainly not fat.
Thank you for the critique, otherwise!
Streakysox and mtcanchaser: Thank you for the compliments. This will be my 4th summer with him so I am so happy things are finally coming together.
teebluesage: Thank you! This is good. I'm learning. So then we have the picture of the rim shoe above. Then the shoe I currently have on my horse is a keg shoe. So then what do you call this? Do you also call it a keg shoe, even though the "rim" is only where the nails go?
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | Finally got it uploaded, but this was our FIRST run that same day.
https://youtu.be/OIh2vLOBfGY
Stupid me was looking directly at the barrel on our 2nd turn, thus we bumped it coming in. I tried to save it.
And then I know I was looking at that 3rd barrel coming into it (not to mention we were coming in too wide as well). Dang bad habits!
I did a much better job on my 2nd run, make sure I looked at the points on the ground where I wanted him to go .... and not look at the stinkin' barrel!
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Location: Sperry, OK | r_beau - 2015-03-31 9:55 AM RnRJack - 2015-03-30 6:03 PM other that maybe him being a little to fat and out of shape (I don't know this for a fact but he looks a little to big to me, could be how he's built but not sure) I get this comment ALOT so I just want to debunk it right off the bat.
He's actually as SLIM as he's ever been, after being at the reining trainers. He is not a thorough-bred-looking horse and he is never going to be. He is a 1,300 pound 15.2 quarter horse. He is certainly not fat.
Thank you for the critique, otherwise!
Streakysox and mtcanchaser: Thank you for the compliments. This will be my 4th summer with him so I am so happy things are finally coming together.
teebluesage: Thank you! This is good. I'm learning. So then we have the picture of the rim shoe above. Then the shoe I currently have on my horse is a keg shoe. So then what do you call this? Do you also call it a keg shoe, even though the "rim" is only where the nails go?
These are the shoes I would put on the back, if he were mine. |
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Location: ND | You had some really nice runs in Dickinson! |
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | RidinOnFaith35 - 2015-03-31 4:41 PM You had some really nice runs in Dickinson!
Thanks!!
I don't think I saw your runs! How did yours go?
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Video Critique ~ Our first check in the 2D!