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| This is where we are at! Just thinking the sucker might hang in there a while like days lol |
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| Yep what she said.
To give a little incentive you could back the trailer up into his pen. Fix it so if he comes out he can't escape. Tie the doors to the trailer open. Turn horse loose. Place horse's feed in bucket on the ground outside the trailer and walk away. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Make it a treat to come off the trailer. Your comfy pen, water and feed are waiting for you buddy. I'd totally back him up to the stable or a paddock and he will come off.
To trailer break mine, I back up the trailer to the round pen and feed them in the trailer. They jump in and out of the trailer like it's another pen. I start tying them in the trailer with the divider closed after a day or so, just while they eat. We gradually increase their standing tied time. It never takes long and teaches them to load, unload, stand tied and it's how we halter break them. When they pull the divider stops their booty and teaches pressure on the halter. It is incredibly easy to teach all of these things for us. I just use a 4 horse stock trailer with a center divider. Works like a charm. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Not saying this is a good first response, but if you ever find yourself desperately trying to unload a stubborn horse at 5 am, a waterhose sprayed in their face is like magic. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I've been wondering the same thing. I have a 4yr old that is no problem loading but unloading is another story. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Mine love the trailer. Best thing I've ever come up with lol. No more one person pull, while one pushes them in the butt lol. |
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| So far we are waiting it out. Been on the trailer since 4pm yesterday...
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 1:28 PM
So far we are waiting it out. Been on the trailer since 4pm yesterday...
Backed up to a pen or round pen? Not fed in the trailer yet right? How old is he? |
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| If you have time and patience .... teach them to back outside of the trailer. Over things, stepping off things, backing down a hill, etc. Teach them that you aren't going to back them off a cliff. Reward the smallest try -
I back my trailer up to a small hill and get them backing confidently off the trailer onto the safe hill - This reduces the "step down" that most of them fear. Then gradually pull the trailer forward to increase the "step" off the trailer but leaving enough room to step safely and not slip a foot under the trailer.
It takes time and patience but can be taught.
Good Luck!
ETA- my poor spelling :)
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Location: Windoming | Had the same problem once. Even had him unloaded and he backed back up into the trailer. We had even taken out the saddle compartment so we could open both doors wide......He was there all day. Finally I grabbed a hand towel that was handy and shook it in his face. It worked, and I used that method until he finally didn't need it anymore. I'm sure you've read about it in all the training manuals. hahahaha |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | Three 4 Luck - 2015-03-30 2:19 PM
Not saying this is a good first response, but if you ever find yourself desperately trying to unload a stubborn horse at 5 am, a waterhose sprayed in their face is like magic.
This. I like to take my young ones to the shows, just to let them see the sights, etc. I had a yearling one time that had been hauled everywhere, and one day (when it was about 100 degrees) he decided when we got to a show that he wasn't getting off. And since he was in the last hole, i really, really needed his stubborn ass to get off so i could at least get the others off. Water in the face was the only thing that worked |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | That is a problem I have never had. Mine don't like to go in but can't leave fast enough. Is he comfortable in there or just doesn't know how to back up? What kind of trailer is it? ramp? step up? 2 horse? 4 horse? slant? Sounds like a tricky situation. |
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Location: N Texas | If it is in there NOW, I don't have a suggestion, but I like the "shake something scary in its face" idea, LOL.
As far as training, you need to take it slow. Start with getting one foot in the trailer, then back it out. Sit for a few seconds, and repeat a few times. Then let it step in the trailer with the two front feet, back out, sit for a minute, and repeat a few times. Then do that with three feet, then four feet.
They need to be good at backing out with only the front two feet in the trailer before you can even consider letting them put all four feet in the trailer.
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| Horse is 10. Broke broke broke just will not back off trailer. I think in a previous life had an accident. My LQ wth the mangers isnt wide enough for her to turn around in. Tried to get her back off trailer it just ****ed her off now shes holding on.. Trailer is open with feed bucket outside. Waiting....
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 1:52 PM Horse is 10. Broke broke broke just will not back off trailer. I think in a previous life had an accident. My LQ wth the mangers isnt wide enough for her to turn around in. Tried to get her back off trailer it just ****ed her off now shes holding on.. Trailer is open with feed bucket outside. Waiting....
So, is this the first time you've tried to unload her? Did you just buy her? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Is is possible to safely run a long rope around the front of her chest and get people on both sides to pull her out? |
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| Had her a couple months have been turning her around. Which she can do in my bumper pull. Took my LQ this weekend. Got her off at the show after some coaxing got home last night and cant get her off. |
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Location: Texas | put a bridle/bit with long lines and stand behind, ask her to back. might require person # 2 with a buggy whip from the front |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 1:59 PM Had her a couple months have been turning her around. Which she can do in my bumper pull. Took my LQ this weekend. Got her off at the show after some coaxing got home last night and cant get her off.
After this, I'd seriously work on her backing a few minutes every day.....outside of the trailer. |
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| Funny thing is she will back for miles either on the ground or on her back she just will not back off a trailer. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 2:04 PM Funny thing is she will back for miles either on the ground or on her back she just will not back off a trailer.
Perhaps, you should back her into the trailer next time....lol. |
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Location: Texas | I would just leave her in the trailer until she wants to come out. They tend to cooperate a little more after 24hrs without eating or drinking. And you aren't making the trailer experience traumatic for her. Only thing worse than a horse that won't unload is a horse that won't load... JMO |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | You should take some pictures for us......while you're waiting :) |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Long term solution is to teach her to load properly. When they're taught how to go on the right way, they've gone on and off so many times in stages that they automatically learn to back off as a result.
Short term for now, I would put something solid under the back of the trailer so that she doesn't have to step down at all. Usually it's not backing up that scares them, it's the stepping off the end and not being able to tell where their feet are that scares them.
Trying to force one off can cause them to panic and not think and you can have a wreck in a heart beat. The calmer you can keep her, the better. I would try waiting it out. I have seen some horses wait as long as 2 days without feed -feed and hay were on the trailer - because they were truly that scared. Then it's time to figure something else out.
Another thought is if you have access to some ace or some kind of calming supplement to see if it will help. But I would only use force / scaring as an absolute last resort.. |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Does she/he get nervous when they realize when they have to step down? If that is the case, I would try backing the trailer where the floor is even with the ground. I have seen horses that would back off if they did not have a big step down but forget it if they had to reach to step off.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I never let my horses turn around in a trailer, that just teaches them a bad habit. Does your trailer have a ramp or is it just a step down? Poor horse is scared to death sounds like to me. Is this a slant load trailer? And is this the first time in this trailer? Yet full of questions here. |
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Location: North Dakota | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 1:59 PM Had her a couple months have been turning her around. Which she can do in my bumper pull. Took my LQ this weekend. Got her off at the show after some coaxing got home last night and cant get her off.
Obviously do what you can to get her off the trailer now, since what's done is done and that's where she is at.
But since you didn't really prepare her to be successful in the LQ trailer, I would spend some time training her so she can back out of a trailer willing and safely.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Back your trailer up to a hill with a short to level slope and back her out of the trailer a few times this way until she has confidence in you. When there is a drop ask for a stop then slowly back on out. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If the horse is still in the trailer, like some of the others have said find an area like a ditch or a little dirt hill that you can back up to and help the horse out. Is the horse backing up to the point of the step off and feels no ground then freezes up on you?
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| Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
Am I understanding you to say, "rip his face with a big bit in his mouth?"
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| Won't kill him - I spent 6 years turning a horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - a trainer I was working with at the time saw me unload him and fixed him in 5 minutes - if I had known it was gonna be that easy I would have done it 6 years earlier. Do what you want but if you get tired of trying to coax him out remember what I told you.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:02 PM Won't kill him - I spent 6 years turning a horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - a trainer I was working with at the time saw me unload him and fixed him in 5 minutes - if I had known it was gonna be that easy I would have done it 6 years earlier. Do what you want but if you get tired of trying to coax him out remember what I told you.
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Location: Texas | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
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| fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM
Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck.
I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Does your trailer have drops on the butt wall? I had one that hated backing off my trailer with blocked axles because it was such a big step down, and didn't have enough room to turn around without collapsing the tack. I left her in the trailer one day to figure out how to get herself out...she stuck her head out the dropped butt window, swung her rear around and walked off with a smug look on her face. I love mares... |
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| arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM
fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM
Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck.
I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason.
It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
Do this if you want a cut tongue and a vet bill to boot, and don't really care about your horse and see them as disposable. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck. I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason. It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse.
There are plenty of ways you could have fixed your horse, you just didn't know how and your trainer wasn't much better. |
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| Fairweather - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM
fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
Do this if you want a cut tongue and a vet bill to boot, and don't really care about your horse and see them as disposable.
In guess run out was not the word I should have used - but you have to make an impression on the horse backing crisply outside the trailer for it to work on the trailer - my horse was no worse for the ware and I felt pretty stupid turning him around for 6 years when it was such a simple fix - but like I said do what you want try whispering in his ear or say pretty please maybe then he decide he will back out ... |
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| LRQHS - 2015-03-30 4:12 PM
fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck. I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason. It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:17 PM LRQHS - 2015-03-30 4:12 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck. I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason. It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse. Ha you must have a ****ty trainer ...
What in the world are you talking about Person?!!!!
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Location: Midwest | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:17 PM LRQHS - 2015-03-30 4:12 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck. I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason. It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse. Ha you must have a ****ty trainer ...
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:17 PM LRQHS - 2015-03-30 4:12 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck. I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason. It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse. Ha you must have a ****ty trainer ...
Because??
We don't teach them to load and unload with force or "ripping" their face? We make it a good experience and it doesn't take long. No one is whispering sweetly in their ears. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:16 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. Do this if you want a cut tongue and a vet bill to boot, and don't really care about your horse and see them as disposable. In guess run out was not the word I should have used - but you have to make an impression on the horse backing crisply outside the trailer for it to work on the trailer - my horse was no worse for the ware and I felt pretty stupid turning him around for 6 years when it was such a simple fix - but like I said do what you want try whispering in his ear or say pretty please maybe then he decide he will back out ...
People ask too much too soon because they don't know how to read horses to begin with. Then they think just because a horse gets on a trailer they know how to load and they're they're suddenly surprised when the horse has issues with coming off.
It's simply because they were never taught how to load right to begin with. It's not an unloading problem. It's not training the horse to load right in the first place and giving them time to tell you they're alright with asking for that next step and being patient in the initial process.
Everybody wants a quick fix on their time. If you want that, then you don't need horses, Imo.
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| Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM
Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way.
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FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM
Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way.
Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine.
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Ya know, my ex mother in law used to have a wonderful saying......what can you expect from a pig but a grunt. Sometimes folks don't want to see a better way because they're just not smart enough to. Their minds only open so far. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine. Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way......
Stupid might be turning your horse around in the trailer for SIX years because you can't teach it to back out...... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine.
ONE....no where do I see stupidity abound except in YOUR posts....soooo, it worked on THAT horse....does that make it the correct way to train a horse...NO.....but then again, if the horse is as stupid as his owner, he probably did need mouth jerked off......... |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM
fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM
FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM
Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way.
Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine.
Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way......
I spent 6 years turning this horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - he was not afraid of the trailer he was not nervous in fact he was very laid back - my trainer saw me turning him around and fixed him in 5 minutes and he stayed fixed - if you don't like how he did it that's fine - I was more than glad to get the problem fixed and wished I had done it 6 years earlier and was also shocked that's all it took . I am not going to comment any more you guys just ask pretty please and maybe the op will get her horse to back out. |
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| JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 11:59 AM
Had her a couple months have been turning her around. Which she can do in my bumper pull. Took my LQ this weekend. Got her off at the show after some coaxing got home last night and cant get her off.
maybe her hocks hurt. We had one in a straight load and it took 4 big guys 4 hours to get him out. The girl who's horse it was failed to mention that his hocks were bad and needed a ramp and to be able to turn around and walk out. Poor horse. |
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| I've run the lead rope from the halter through there legs and had them back... This has helped me... I have also put the bridle on with long reins and had them back... Sometimes the bit helps them to understand better than just yanking on the halter.
eta I do like the water hose to the face thing too... ALTHOUGH not sure would work on Ace as he LOVES the water!
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| fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:32 PM
FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM
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FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM
Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way.
Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine.
Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way......
I spent 6 years turning this horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - he was not afraid of the trailer he was not nervous in fact he was very laid back - my trainer saw me turning him around and fixed him in 5 minutes and he stayed fixed - if you don't like how he did it that's fine - I was more than glad to get the problem fixed and wished I had done it 6 years earlier and was also shocked that's all it took . I am not going to comment any more you guys just ask pretty please and maybe the op will get her horse to back out.
What I don't get is why turning a horse to unload is such a big problem that you would let someone rip their face off to "fix" it? I prefer a horse to back off, but some of them take a pretty hefty stance against it and I don't fight it. If that's their preference I don't let it be a big deal. When I have one that won't back out I never put them in the last hole, that's my solution. If that's stupid, then I guess I am stupid, but at least my horses like me (BTW there is NEVER a good reason to rip at a horse's mouth, even if it did "work".....We need to treat our horse's with a little bit more respect than that) |
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Location: Texas | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:32 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine. Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way...... I spent 6 years turning this horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - he was not afraid of the trailer he was not nervous in fact he was very laid back - my trainer saw me turning him around and fixed him in 5 minutes and he stayed fixed - if you don't like how he did it that's fine - I was more than glad to get the problem fixed and wished I had done it 6 years earlier and was also shocked that's all it took . I am not going to comment any more you guys just ask pretty please and maybe the op will get her horse to back out.
First of all, you are rude.
Second, 6 years is a long time. If your horse wasn't scared of the trailer or nervous why would it just not back up?
Third, 99.9% of time horses respond to calm, not so ignorant, actions. So, the only decent advise you gave was for the OP to ask "pretty please".
Lastly, please do share with us your trainer's name, so we don't ever use him/her. |
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Location: Missouri | I know the mare the OP is talking about. She is a nice mare, someone one said maybe due to sore hocks, that could be the problem. The people who owned her before had a ramp or would turn her around? The mare will back all day long and whenin trailer will back to the edge but will not step down or even try!
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | EqualRanch - 2015-03-30 5:58 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:32 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine. Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way...... I spent 6 years turning this horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - he was not afraid of the trailer he was not nervous in fact he was very laid back - my trainer saw me turning him around and fixed him in 5 minutes and he stayed fixed - if you don't like how he did it that's fine - I was more than glad to get the problem fixed and wished I had done it 6 years earlier and was also shocked that's all it took . I am not going to comment any more you guys just ask pretty please and maybe the op will get her horse to back out.
Second, 6 years is a long time. If your horse wasn't scared of the trailer or nervous why would it just not back up?
Third, 99.9% of time horses respond to calm, not so ignorant, actions. So, the only decent advise you gave was for the OP to ask "pretty please".
Lastly, please do share with us your trainer's name, so we don't ever use him/her.
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Location: Midwest | There is a midpoint between "saying pretty please" to your horse and yanking on it with a severe bit.
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Location: Heart of Texas | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 1:52 PM Horse is 10. Broke broke broke just will not back off trailer. I think in a previous life had an accident. My LQ wth the mangers isnt wide enough for her to turn around in. Tried to get her back off trailer it just ****ed her off now shes holding on.. Trailer is open with feed bucket outside. Waiting.... I have the same problem. Mine is an 11 year old gelding that started his career as a cutter, and has been used a ton in the pasture to work cows. There is nothing he won't do... except back out of the trailer. He goes in to a panic when I ask him to back out. I've never hauled with anyone else, not sure how I could get him out if I did.
eta: Wow! Should have read the whole thread. If I tried the big bit with him, we would both be dead.
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| Well here is to hoping your horse has come off the trailer.
If I were in your situation I would work on establishing some trust pronto.
I have had the opportunity to recently work with a well known Amish horse trainer via I rescue that I help out.
This guy is very well known for his ability to work with problem horses that no one else will take. He recently took on an 11 year old stud that had been untouched and got him riding. This horse was untouchable. Getting him loaded to take him to this trainer was a task.
Anyways, I have learned from him that if a horse doesn't do something you want it to do there is a hole in the trust, so you must go back and establish trust so that in all situations the horse will look to you to protect it. Which is something we all probably know as horse people, but forget to think about.
I can go into more details about the exercises I have learned from Ben, but not sure if you are interested. If you are PM me and I will be happy to share some things I have learned from him or I will post them here.
There are two types of horse people in this world:
Those that force their horses to do things, and those that work with their horse to get things accomplished.
Be the person who works with their horse to get things accomplished through willingness, not force. THOSE are the horse people to admire. |
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Location: Texas | I agree with this 100%!
If a horse has trust issues, that should be your number one priority before moving forward in training or expectations. Calm, gentle people get WAY more accomplished than loud, rough, obnoxious people.
Also, if you don't trust a horse, it's because it doesn't trust you, not that it's crazy or stupid.
ETA: Is he still in the trailer? 
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Location: Texarkana | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM
Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
Well aren't you just a special kind of stupid. Bless your pitiful little heart. |
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Location: Red Raiderland | MeepMeep - 2015-03-30 5:23 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:32 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine. Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way...... I spent 6 years turning this horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - he was not afraid of the trailer he was not nervous in fact he was very laid back - my trainer saw me turning him around and fixed him in 5 minutes and he stayed fixed - if you don't like how he did it that's fine - I was more than glad to get the problem fixed and wished I had done it 6 years earlier and was also shocked that's all it took . I am not going to comment any more you guys just ask pretty please and maybe the op will get her horse to back out. What I don't get is why turning a horse to unload is such a big problem that you would let someone rip their face off to "fix" it? I prefer a horse to back off, but some of them take a pretty hefty stance against it and I don't fight it. If that's their preference I don't let it be a big deal. When I have one that won't back out I never put them in the last hole, that's my solution. If that's stupid, then I guess I am stupid, but at least my horses like me ( BTW there is NEVER a good reason to rip at a horse's mouth, even if it did "work".....We need to treat our horse's with a little bit more respect than that )
100 x's agree! The mouth should ONLY be used for communication. I've seen results of horses be manhandled to get out. The one that really sticks in my mind is a horse we loaned out years ago that loaded and unloaded just fine but they loaded him in a small stock trailer and he was unsure to back out and come to find out they "scared" him to get him out and he split his entire forehead open! He then took off down the road with this huge piece of forehead flapping in the breeze-literally!
I understand the urgency in some situations but the severe bit in the mouth by a "so called trainer" just NO!
Fabulous, if your trainer was so good he/she could have picked a time to work with the horse and not gone the "5 min fix" route. You did say you had been unloading the same way for six years, why did this time HAVE to be a quick fix? Have you taught any other horse this way? |
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| The horse is off the trailer... She came off about 5:30 cst. She backed off with a little coaxing meaning pushing into her chest with a shoulder. No water although That is an excellent idea I did try it but she likes water lol, there was no jerking her face off! Just patience and waiting her out. After she unloaded we loaded her back in and she did back off somewhat easily. Did this about 10 times. We will do this everyday for quite a while!
Thanks for all the responses!
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Location: Red Raiderland | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 8:52 PM The horse is off the trailer... She came off about 5:30 cst. She backed off with a little coaxing meaning pushing into her chest with a shoulder. No water although That is an excellent idea I did try it but she likes water lol, there was no jerking her face off! Just patience and waiting her out. After she unloaded we loaded her back in and she did back off somewhat easily. Did this about 10 times. We will do this everyday for quite a while! Thanks for all the responses!
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Location: Some where | Woo hoooo! Glad to hear it :) |
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| My paint horse has had EPM. He has a hard time backing out of the trailer because his back end stays sore. He does back out slowly. I can tell that sometime it hurts him though.
My broodmare is 21 years old. She was never taught to back up at all. I just turn her around in the trailer and she steps out. No big deal.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 8:52 PM The horse is off the trailer... She came off about 5:30 cst. She backed off with a little coaxing meaning pushing into her chest with a shoulder. No water although That is an excellent idea I did try it but she likes water lol, there was no jerking her face off! Just patience and waiting her out. After she unloaded we loaded her back in and she did back off somewhat easily. Did this about 10 times. We will do this everyday for quite a while! Thanks for all the responses!
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| bridle them and then back them off w/ long driving reins or lead ropes. other than that, call a horse whisperer...........
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Location: Arkansas | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM
arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM
fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM
Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck.
I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason.
It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse.
Yeah sounds like you're a REAL "fixer" |
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| Recently hauled a top producing race broodmare that refused to get out once I got her home. She knew how but was upset. She'd just lost her foal the week before and I think she was still grieving. I had put her in the second hole just behind stud stall. She was soaked with sweat, panicking and kept trying to turn around but she couldn't bc she was to big. The owners were freaking out. It took me 30 minutes just standing with her and talking to her, my goal was to get her to relax. She did and took enough steps back I could get the study stall open. I took her out the side escape door. Training solution, no but I HAD to get her out.
My own personal horses I use horse cookies to teach them to get in and out. My big gelding will sometimes refuse to go in so I lunge him right at the back of the trailer and make him work. It usually takes a good minute of moving his feet and he realizes I'd rather be in the trailer LOL
To the person who used a bit and ripped off the horses face to teach it to back out, WOW. No words. |
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