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Location: Beggs, OK | Nutrena has confirmed that the mill that produces their feed in OKC is not Ionophore Free as we previously thought. While they are stating that they are "monensin/Rumensin free" they are using Lasalocid/Bovatec to produce medicated feeds in their facility.
When a mill uses ionophore antibiotics to produce their medicated feeds anything that is produced in that facility is at risk for contamination. Please keep this in mind when making your choices as to what you are going to feed your horses.
Even if you think this hasn't affected you, it probably has in one way or another. Random colics, chronic ulcers, hard keepers, EPM Symptoms, etc....have all been attributed to ionophore toxicity. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-01 2:33 PM Nutrena has confirmed that the mill that produces their feed in OKC is not Ionophore Free as we previously thought. While they are stating that they are "monensin/Rumensin free" they are using Lasalocid/Bovatec to produce medicated feeds in their facility.
When a mill uses ionophore antibiotics to produce their medicated feeds anything that is produced in that facility is at risk for contamination. Please keep this in mind when making your choices as to what you are going to feed your horses.
Even if you think this hasn't affected you, it probably has in one way or another. Random colics, chronic ulcers, hard keepers, EPM Symptoms, etc....have all been attributed to ionophore toxicity.
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Location: Oklahoma | For those feeding Nutrena Pro Force Fuel, Blue Bonnet Intensify Omega is very comparable in labels to the Nutrena. I personally am switching all my horses to Blue Bonnet |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Sad isn't it, that we as the lay person/purchaser must know all of the common names and "registered" names for drugs that will kill our horses in their feed. |
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Location: Here | 3canstorun - 2015-04-01 2:37 PM Sad isn't it, that we as the lay person/purchaser must know all of the common names and "registered" names for drugs that will kill our horses in their feed.
What is even sadder is they are not being completely truthful about this! and just think we are dumb horse people |
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Location: Beggs, OK | I truly believe that the majority of feed producers just don't know... This is a HUGE issue that is just now coming to light and making sense. We have never thought to question anything that might not be on the label of our feeds. We might question the NSC or Starch content because we think our horse has ulcers, but it doesn't occur to you to ask if there might be something in the feed that is slowly poisoning them.
Chronic low level exposure to ionophores has not been extensively researched, but the studies that are out there are very disturbing....especially to someone who has treated 10 horses now for EPM.
We fed Nutrena SafeChoice for years, then switched to ADM Patriot, then for most of the past 3 years we were feeding a locally milled feed. That feed tested positive for Monensin and Lasalocid...and prompted my whole investigation into feeds in general. In contacting the people across the US that have been affected by the ADM feed contamination I have found that our horses share many of the same symptoms. My conversations with the people in my area that have had the same issues with our local feed I have found the EXACT same symptoms. It took one of my horses nearly dying from a hypersensitive reaction to the medications in the feed to alert us to how serious our problem really is.
I would have loved for this to not be the case. We have tested for every disease, bacteria, and virus you can imagine...nothing has shown a positive result except my feed test. The vets, nutritionists, and toxicologists that have seen my test results and examined my horses have stated that they will not recover fully. |
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Location: on my horse | What other feeds have tested for this? I used to feed Triple Crown and Satin Finish. Are those safe? Stopping nutrena tonight  |
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Location: Oklahoma | There is a facebook page called Is Your Horse Feed Safe? It has a list of safe feed companies. |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-01 3:03 PM I truly believe that the majority of feed producers just don't know... This is a HUGE issue that is just now coming to light and making sense. We have never thought to question anything that might not be on the label of our feeds. We might question the NSC or Starch content because we think our horse has ulcers, but it doesn't occur to you to ask if there might be something in the feed that is slowly poisoning them.
Chronic low level exposure to ionophores has not been extensively researched, but the studies that are out there are very disturbing....especially to someone who has treated 10 horses now for EPM.
We fed Nutrena SafeChoice for years, then switched to ADM Patriot, then for most of the past 3 years we were feeding a locally milled feed. That feed tested positive for Monensin and Lasalocid...and prompted my whole investigation into feeds in general. In contacting the people across the US that have been affected by the ADM feed contamination I have found that our horses share many of the same symptoms. My conversations with the people in my area that have had the same issues with our local feed I have found the EXACT same symptoms. It took one of my horses nearly dying from a hypersensitive reaction to the medications in the feed to alert us to how serious our problem really is.
I would have loved for this to not be the case. We have tested for every disease, bacteria, and virus you can imagine...nothing has shown a positive result except my feed test. The vets, nutritionists, and toxicologists that have seen my test results and examined my horses have stated that they will not recover fully.
But I am ever so grateful and mostly my horses are ever so grateful for the education on this subject.
Feed companies however need to get a grasp on this and clean up their mills. Just like dog food killing dogs. These are highly educated nutritionist they should know better. I don't find it as an excuse. Should have never been allowed to begin with. And the whole well we don't use monensin is the wrong attitude.
Red Chain mills here in Texas
here is their response to my question and he never replied to my last question Please read from bottom up
I am confused, is the bovatec used in the feed mills where you sack? Because you are saying that you do and then you don’t. Yes I am buying sacked feed and I am trying to make sure I am buying ionophore free grain and not safety clean out grain. Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:46 AM Subject: Re: Horse feed and alfalfa pellets Clean out, we do use bovatec in the feed mills where sack. We have never used rumensin at all where we sack, I'm assuming you are buying sack feed
Sent from my iPhone I have been feeding your feeds and I am double checking to see if your horse feed and alfalfa pellets are made in an ionophore free mill or if you are simply following the standard safety cleanout practice. Julie Crews |
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Location: Beggs, OK | redmansmyman11 - 2015-04-01 3:09 PM What other feeds have tested for this? I used to feed Triple Crown and Satin Finish. Are those safe? Stopping nutrena tonight
There have been issues with Triple Crown feeds unrelated to ionophores. A friend on here had hers tested and it showed extremely high levels of sulfur...as well as vitamin/mineral contents well above the guaranteed analysis. That test is being blamed on the feed being past the recommended date of use, but that makes no sense at all. Kelleen Bliss who is the admin for the Justice for Dual Peppy page on FB has had some significant issues with Triple Crown feeds as well.
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Location: Washington | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-01 1:03 PM I truly believe that the majority of feed producers just don't know... This is a HUGE issue that is just now coming to light and making sense. We have never thought to question anything that might not be on the label of our feeds. We might question the NSC or Starch content because we think our horse has ulcers, but it doesn't occur to you to ask if there might be something in the feed that is slowly poisoning them.
Chronic low level exposure to ionophores has not been extensively researched, but the studies that are out there are very disturbing....especially to someone who has treated 10 horses now for EPM.
We fed Nutrena SafeChoice for years, then switched to ADM Patriot, then for most of the past 3 years we were feeding a locally milled feed. That feed tested positive for Monensin and Lasalocid...and prompted my whole investigation into feeds in general. In contacting the people across the US that have been affected by the ADM feed contamination I have found that our horses share many of the same symptoms. My conversations with the people in my area that have had the same issues with our local feed I have found the EXACT same symptoms. It took one of my horses nearly dying from a hypersensitive reaction to the medications in the feed to alert us to how serious our problem really is.
I would have loved for this to not be the case. We have tested for every disease, bacteria, and virus you can imagine...nothing has shown a positive result except my feed test. The vets, nutritionists, and toxicologists that have seen my test results and examined my horses have stated that they will not recover fully.
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Location: Beggs, OK | The reason that this is allowed to continue is because the FDA is not stepping up and putting a stop to it. The FDA does not have a published "action level" for ionophores in horse feed because it just shouldn't be there. They opperate on a 4ppm level for recalls on horse feed that test positive.
The New Zealand government I have found has a zero tolerance policy. They look at any positive test no matter how trace it may be as an indicator for a much larger problem. This is the proactive approach that should be taken with these substances. In the US we leave our horses safety in the hands of human error....humans who more than likely don't even own horses themselves.
I have been in contact with the Oklahoma Dept of Agriculture, the FDA, and State Representatives trying to encourage changes in these regulations and will continue to do so. It costs absolutely nothing but time. |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-01 3:21 PM The reason that this is allowed to continue is because the FDA is not stepping up and putting a stop to it. The FDA does not have a published "action level" for ionophores in horse feed because it just shouldn't be there. They opperate on a 4ppm level for recalls on horse feed that test positive.
The New Zealand government I have found has a zero tolerance policy. They look at any positive test no matter how trace it may be as an indicator for a much larger problem. This is the proactive approach that should be taken with these substances. In the US we leave our horses safety in the hands of human error....humans who more than likely don't even own horses themselves.
I have been in contact with the Oklahoma Dept of Agriculture, the FDA, and State Representatives trying to encourage changes in these regulations and will continue to do so. It costs absolutely nothing but time.
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Location: So. Cali. | Just to share, here is Nutrena response:
We do not have monensin/rumensin in our OKC facility, however lasalocid may be used, that is true. Monensin toxicity levels are about 20x the levels for lasalocid.
Anywhere that we use either, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
These process include residue testing on batches of feed made after use of any medications in our facility, and subsequent rejection of loads that have residue levels detected.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-01 3:15 PM redmansmyman11 - 2015-04-01 3:09 PM What other feeds have tested for this? I used to feed Triple Crown and Satin Finish. Are those safe? Stopping nutrena tonight
The scary part is that there are so many things that you would think of before you would suspect your feed being the problem!
I had a problem with Triple Crown Senior and I'm just thankful I was just feeding 2 cups a day that I added with his night feeding. The Triple Crown Senior was the last thing I changed to stop the problem I was having. Wish it had been the first thing I changed as my horse lost weight and looked awful within a few weeks time. He had a lot of gas and started having loose stools and weight loss. It goes back to having too much sulfur. TC told me to throw the bag out and they sent me a certificate to replace it. I should have asked for a refund as I'm sure not going to feed it again as this wasn't the first problem with Triple Crown I've had and I have already given them too many chances. |
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Location: So. Cali. | Just curious, is there a list forming somewhere of the feeds to avoid? Quick google search makes it apparent ADM & Lakeland.
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Location: Oklahoma | Three*C*Champs - 2015-04-01 3:28 PM
Just to share, here is Nutrena response:
We do not have monensin/rumensin in our OKC facility, however lasalocid may be used, that is true. Monensin toxicity levels are about 20x the levels for lasalocid.
Anywhere that we use either, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
These process include residue testing on batches of feed made after use of any medications in our facility, and subsequent rejection of loads that have residue levels detected.
We've just received an update that affects many people that we know. The mill in OKC that produces Nutrena Feeds is NOT ionophore free. While they don't use Monensin, they do use Lasalocid in their medicated feeds. Contrary to what many will tell you regarding the toxicity of Lasalocid this is a HUGE issue. The study below is worth the time to read...particularly the paragraph regarding delayed neurotoxicity on the 5th page. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1939-1676.2012.00933.x...
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Location: Washington | Waiting on the FDA will take longer than more horses have. As owners with this information you just need to drop the feed companies that don't know or worst yet don't care. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Three*C*Champs - 2015-04-01 3:28 PM Just to share, here is Nutrena response:
We do not have monensin/rumensin in our OKC facility, however lasalocid may be used, that is true. Monensin toxicity levels are about 20x the levels for lasalocid.
Anywhere that we use either, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
These process include residue testing on batches of feed made after use of any medications in our facility, and subsequent rejection of loads that have residue levels detected.
The statements regarding Lasalocid are so misguided. Yes, it's much less toxic in relation to Monensin....meaning that horses that eat feed contaminated with Lasalocid are less likely to die immediately. The artiticle below gives more information regarding the repercussions of feeding low levels of ionophore contaminated feed over a period of time.
Ultimately, why would anyone want to take a chance? I have pictures of what it did to my horse that will ruin your supper. He is not capable of being rehabilitated fully for us to be able to use him as a performance horse. The rest of mine are struggling to thrive, we cannot get them to bloom. They have been turned out since November and always look drawn up like they are being worked hard. They have lost muscle mass and have neurological issues that are not being resolved.
Acute and long-term cardiomyopathy and delayed neurotoxicity after accidental lasalocid poisoning in horses
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Location: Oklahoma | Food for thought here... we have a front row seat in seeing what the feed companies that are not ionophore free /medicated free are doing to our horses. Not all of our horses have been effected, but is it really something you want to leave to chance? Do you want to watch your horse suffer or potentially sucumb to this? I don't. I would rather be pro active and spend my money with a company I know is using safe methods. |
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Location: SE KS | I feed my horses a Bonanza Feed "performance Horse" from the Talala mill (in Oklahoma) ? Would anyone know about this mill? If not,
I will call and ask them.
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Location: Here | Finally a reply
In any case Bovatec is Lasalocid. The Alfalfa pellets do come straight to us a pellets already but we do have to run them through the mill to get them to the sacker. Yes we do use Bovatec at the same location but follow proper state guidelines for cleanout so as to not contaminate other feeds that are non medicated. Hope this helps. If any questions just let me know.Thanks Cary Zipp Nuritionist Gorman Milling Co., Inc. |
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| I was feeding TC senior and complete. My colt seemed to lose weight and was urinating A LOT. Changed to renew gold and also feed a little ultium. Purina horse feeds are safe according to the Facebook " is your feed safe". Seems to be working. My horses look great. |
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Location: Here | Dinero10 - 2015-04-01 3:54 PM I feed my horses a Bonanza Feed "performance Horse" from the Talala mill (in Oklahoma) ? Would anyone know about this mill? If not,
I will call and ask them.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=459551&posts=64#M7138028 |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Dinero10 - 2015-04-01 3:54 PM I feed my horses a Bonanza Feed "performance Horse" from the Talala mill (in Oklahoma) ? Would anyone know about this mill? If not,
I will call and ask them.
I sent you a PM.
...and FYI to anyone who feeds Bonanza Performance Feed, the mineral that is used in that feed is ADM GroStrong.
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Location: NE Texas | rachellyn80, i'd like to thank you for sharing all of your research and findings with us. SG educated me a few weeks ago. I sure hope the damage done to your horses (and all of our horses that aren't showing definitive signs) are not irrepairable! Would you mind sharing the symptoms you were seeing in your horses? |
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| TwistedK - 2015-04-01 3:50 PM Food for thought here... we have a front row seat in seeing what the feed companies that are not ionophore free /medicated free are doing to our horses. Not all of our horses have been effected, but is it really something you want to leave to chance? Do you want to watch your horse suffer or potentially sucumb to this? I don't. I would rather be pro active and spend my money with a company I know is using safe methods.
It is more than following safe methods. It must be free of medication to be 100% safe. Methods are only as good as those following them.
R80 what made you test your feed?
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Location: So. Cali. | Just to clarify, I am not currently feeding Nutrena Products. A friend of mine is and I sent this thread to her so she emailed, and I was sharing their direct response.
I do however feed alflalfa pellets and just started a grain from a local feed company so I will now be contacting both of them for my own piece of mind.
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| Three*C*Champs - 2015-04-01 4:16 PM Just to clarify, I am not currently feeding Nutrena Products. A friend of mine is and I sent this thread to her so she emailed, and I was sharing their direct response.
I do however feed alflalfa pellets and just started a grain from a local feed company so I will now be contacting both of them for my own piece of mind.
Keep in mind that mills use corn chops to do their clean out since they are small and sharp. If you think you are being safe by buying straight grain from a mill with meds that may not be the fact.
Oats are not used because they are too light. And depending on each mills set up they could come straight from the ingredient bin to an auger and never reach the blending lines.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Zebra racer - 2015-04-01 4:11 PM TwistedK - 2015-04-01 3:50 PM Food for thought here... we have a front row seat in seeing what the feed companies that are not ionophore free /medicated free are doing to our horses. Not all of our horses have been effected, but is it really something you want to leave to chance? Do you want to watch your horse suffer or potentially sucumb to this? I don't. I would rather be pro active and spend my money with a company I know is using safe methods. It is more than following safe methods. It must be free of medication to be 100% safe. Methods are only as good as those following them.
R80 what made you test your feed?
With everything that was going on in the SE United States I think it was already on our minds. When he first got sick I didn't think anything of it...then when he was continuing to lose weight and look worse even though he was still eating normally we were very concerned. I questioned my vet on whether he thought that it was a possibility and he agreed that there was a very strong possibility that it was feed related given the horses symptoms. He advised that I get blood pulled immediately and have him tubed to flush what we could out of his system. By then his legs were starting to swell and he was completely crashing. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Zebra racer - 2015-04-01 4:24 PM Three*C*Champs - 2015-04-01 4:16 PM Just to clarify, I am not currently feeding Nutrena Products. A friend of mine is and I sent this thread to her so she emailed, and I was sharing their direct response.
I do however feed alflalfa pellets and just started a grain from a local feed company so I will now be contacting both of them for my own piece of mind.
Keep in mind that mills use corn chops to do their clean out since they are small and sharp. If you think you are being safe by buying straight grain from a mill with meds that may not be the fact.
Oats are not used because they are too light. And depending on each mills set up they could come straight from the ingredient bin to an auger and never reach the blending lines.
I was getting a lot of corn in my TC Sr and is why I first called the company last year. Then I got inconsistency and called the company and then the gas, weight loss and looser stools. I guess I'm a slow learner. I did change in between these problems and would try them again and I got some nice looking product and then back to the inconsistency. |
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Location: Here | pabarrelracer - 2015-04-01 5:44 PM Where would I find a list of the plant codes or mfg code that's on my bag. I searched the internet and nutrenas web site but can't find it. My lot # starts with 6E.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | SG. - 2015-04-02 1:56 PM
Finally a reply
In any case Bovatec is Lasalocid. The Alfalfa pellets do come straight to us a pellets already but we do have to run them through the mill to get them to the sacker. Yes we do use Bovatec at the same location but follow proper state guidelines for cleanout so as to not contaminate other feeds that are non medicated. Hope this helps. If any questions just let me know. Thanks Cary Zipp Nuritionist Gorman Milling Co., Inc.
SG I must have missed it, which company is this? |
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Location: Here | run n rate - 2015-04-01 6:21 PM SG. - 2015-04-02 1:56 PM Finally a reply
In any case Bovatec is Lasalocid. The Alfalfa pellets do come straight to us a pellets already but we do have to run them through the mill to get them to the sacker. Yes we do use Bovatec at the same location but follow proper state guidelines for cleanout so as to not contaminate other feeds that are non medicated. Hope this helps. If any questions just let me know.
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Gorman Milling Co., Inc.
SG I must have missed it, which company is this?
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Location: Kentucky | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-01 4:15 PM redmansmyman11 - 2015-04-01 3:09 PM What other feeds have tested for this? I used to feed Triple Crown and Satin Finish. Are those safe? Stopping nutrena tonight
The scary part is that there are so many things that you would think of before you would suspect your feed being the problem!
My mare was having colic-like symptoms while on TC Senior. I've had her off it for about 3 weeks now and she hasn't had an episode yet. I have not had my feed tested yet, but I do have it bagged up.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | I thought I read every single page on this subject but I missed the "ulcer" symptoms. I have fed Nutrena for years and my horse started having alleys and was dx with ulcers. I couldn't figure out how as nothing in my feed program changed. This explains alot! Anyways I switched to RG on all my horses and they are doing great! Thanks Rachel! |
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Just to share, here is Nutrena response:
We do not have monensin/rumensin in our OKC facility, however lasalocid may be used, that is true. Monensin toxicity levels are about 20x the levels for lasalocid.
Anywhere that we use either, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
These process include residue testing on batches of feed made after use of any medications in our facility, and subsequent rejection of loads that have residue levels detected.
This response from Nutrena ****es me off. I got the exact same one back in February. But when I asked for a copy of their HCAPP plan, nothing. They want to give themselves kudo's but they won't give out the proof. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | SKM my problem with their testing is - What is their "acceptable" level? While I hold firm that it should be ZERO, I'm afraid that is not the case. It sure isn't the case with ADM. ADM has stated that they consider anything under 1.4ppm to be of no concern. Then they completely contradict themselves with a calculation stating that it would take a horse eating 893# of feed with trace amounts of an ionophore for it to be toxic.
This information will have to be spread via social media and word of mouth for years to reach as many people as possible. In order to make commercially produced feed safer for everyone horse owners MUST stop supporting the companies that refuse to separate their medicated feed facilities. |
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Location: Here | irun4fun - 2015-04-02 1:32 PM
are there any feed companies that do strictly horse feeds I just lost three horses to suspected feed related issues and was going to feed safe choice perform but not if it has a chance of being made behind cattle feed I will not go through that again..
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Location: Here | Three*C*Champs - 2015-04-01 3:28 PM
Just to share, here is Nutrena response:
We do not have monensin/rumensin in our OKC facility, however lasalocid may be used, that is true. Monensin toxicity levels are about 20x the levels for lasalocid.
Anywhere that we use either, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
These process include residue testing on batches of feed made after use of any medications in our facility, and subsequent rejection of loads that have residue levels detected.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | irun4fun - 2015-04-02 1:32 PM are there any feed companies that do strictly horse feeds I just lost three horses to suspected feed related issues and was going to feed safe choice perform but not if it has a chance of being made behind cattle feed I will not go through that again..
I tried the Perform on some of mine, switched from ADM Patriot and we don't have many options here. One mare was having tummy aches after she ate it, just mixing a little in with her old feed. The other 2 I tried feeding it to don't like it and don't clean their buckets. From what I've been reading, I don't want to deal with Nutrena anyway, although they haven't piffed me off with their reaction as badly as ADM did. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | irun4fun - 2015-04-02 1:32 PM are there any feed companies that do strictly horse feeds I just lost three horses to suspected feed related issues and was going to feed safe choice perform but not if it has a chance of being made behind cattle feed I will not go through that again..
Woody's is one. Depending on where the Purina in your area comes from - in my area that is another Ionophore FREE feed. |
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Location: East Texas | Murphy - 2015-04-02 6:48 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-01 4:15 PM redmansmyman11 - 2015-04-01 3:09 PM What other feeds have tested for this? I used to feed Triple Crown and Satin Finish. Are those safe? Stopping nutrena tonight
The scary part is that there are so many things that you would think of before you would suspect your feed being the problem!
I switched to Tribute Kalm N' EZ and both of my mares have done really well on it.
OSU was great when they tested my TC senior. She is actually the one who said she suspected the high sulphur content and went ahead and tested it for me! These are the exact same symptoms my guy had except he almost died. we have been in contact with triple crown, because the feed rep came out and got a sample to test. His reply was " oh our sample came back normal." I completely expected response!!
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Location: SE KS | I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Dinero10 - 2015-04-02 2:44 PM I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
For what you are experiencing with your boy I would go with Blue Bonnet Omega Force. My horses are responding well to it and it's very cost effective. It's more per bag, but you feed much less than you do any of the other feeds mentioned. It's designed to help with digestive issues. I'm only feeding 8# a day to the one that's getting the most. |
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Location: SE KS | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-02 2:54 PM
Dinero10 - 2015-04-02 2:44 PM I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
For what you are experiencing with your boy I would go with Blue Bonnet Omega Force. My horses are responding well to it and it's very cost effective. It's more per bag, but you feed much less than you do any of the other feeds mentioned. It's designed to help with digestive issues. I'm only feeding 8# a day to the one that's getting the most.
Thanks Rach - :)
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Location: In a happy place | When I found the two hunks of cow feed (as big as my foot) in my bags of whole oats from TSC I was told all their feed came from Nutrena. Didn't seem to bother anyone but me. I won't be buying feed there anymore. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | sorrel horse ranch - 2015-04-02 4:11 PM When I found the two hunks of cow feed (as big as my foot) in my bags of whole oats from TSC I was told all their feed came from Nutrena. Didn't seem to bother anyone but me. I won't be buying feed there anymore.
That is likely true. TSC contracts their feeds typically with a national brand. It is a shame since the King owns part of TSC right? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | irun4fun - 2015-04-02 1:32 PM are there any feed companies that do strictly horse feeds I just lost three horses to suspected feed related issues and was going to feed safe choice perform but not if it has a chance of being made behind cattle feed I will not go through that again..
I'm so sorry that you lost 3 horses. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-03 12:54 PM
Dinero10 - 2015-04-02 2:44 PM I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
For what you are experiencing with your boy I would go with Blue Bonnet Omega Force. My horses are responding well to it and it's very cost effective. It's more per bag, but you feed much less than you do any of the other feeds mentioned. It's designed to help with digestive issues. I'm only feeding 8# a day to the one that's getting the most.
Wait, I thought Purina was listed on the safe horse feeds on the facebook page "is my horse feed safe..." Have a friend in Florida that is feeding Ultium.... |
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Location: Here | run n rate - 2015-04-02 5:28 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-03 12:54 PM Dinero10 - 2015-04-02 2:44 PM I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
For what you are experiencing with your boy I would go with Blue Bonnet Omega Force. My horses are responding well to it and it's very cost effective. It's more per bag, but you feed much less than you do any of the other feeds mentioned. It's designed to help with digestive issues. I'm only feeding 8# a day to the one that's getting the most. Wait, I thought Purina was listed on the safe horse feeds on the facebook page "is my horse feed safe..." Have a friend in Florida that is feeding Ultium....
It was but new information has come out that not all mills are ionophore free |
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| I was informed that blue seal plant i think in pa the add the cattle additives out side the horse plant, it is not mixed where it could come in contact at any time with horse feed. My feed rep told me this and i dont know about any of the rest. Also triple crown and nutrena come from some of the same plants in the south. Dont know,about southern states feed. I dont know one line ends and other begins.
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Location: CTX | This is the reply I got from Purina, and it shows the mills that make cattle feed and horse feed in the same mill:
Dijanne,
Thanks for your inquiry. We understand the concern about ionophores in horse feed. Your product is being made in the Fort Worth, TX plant. We have separate manufacturing systems for the horse and cattle feed at this location. The plant in Fort Worth uses a physical segregation and advanced systems and processes are in place to guard against cross contamination.
The locations where we make cattle feed as well as the horse feed are located in:
Guilderland, NY (GNY)
Fort Worth, TX (FTW)
Statesville, NC (STA)
Gainesville, GA (GNS)
Gonzales, TX (GOZ)
For all other plants, no ionophores are being used.
The date code stamp along the bottom will when and where it was made. You should have a sequence of Year/Month/Day/Plant/Shift.
We have high quality standards at all of our manufacturing mills. Please do not hesitate to call or email us if you have any additional questions or concerns you wish to have addressed.
Have a great day!
Beverly
Beverly Fischer | Purina Animal Nutrition, LLC.
Manager, Customer Operations – Consumer|www.purinamills.com
Toll Free: 1-800-227-8941 | Fax: 636-742-6170
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | cranky B4 10am - 2015-04-02 10:27 PM This is the reply I got from Purina, and it shows the mills that make cattle feed and horse feed in the same mill:
Dijanne,
Thanks for your inquiry. We understand the concern about ionophores in horse feed. Your product is being made in the Fort Worth, TX plant. We have separate manufacturing systems for the horse and cattle feed at this location. The plant in Fort Worth uses a physical segregation and advanced systems and processes are in place to guard against cross contamination.
The locations where we make cattle feed as well as the horse feed are located in:
Guilderland, NY (GNY )
Fort Worth, TX (FTW )
Statesville, NC (STA )
Gainesville, GA (GNS )
Gonzales, TX (GOZ )
For all other plants, no ionophores are being used.
The date code stamp along the bottom will when and where it was made. You should have a sequence of Year/Month/Day/Plant/Shift.
We have high quality standards at all of our manufacturing mills. Please do not hesitate to call or email us if you have any additional questions or concerns you wish to have addressed.
Have a great day!
Beverly
Beverly Fischer | Purina Animal Nutrition, LLC.
Manager, Customer Operations – Consumer| www.purinamills.com
Toll Free: 1-800-227-8941 | Fax: 636-742-6170
So, I will be checking the labels before buying!
Thank you for posting that. I was nervous as I spent a lot of time on the phone with local Purina reps and the main company. I was told the Purina I buy here in South Dakota was from an Ionophore free facility. Glad to see they were telling me the truth. I would imagine it won't be long and the facilities listed will also be ionophore free. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | mattslilwonder - 2015-04-03 8:43 AM what is TSC?
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| SG. - 2015-04-02 4:59 PM
run n rate - 2015-04-02 5:28 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-03 12:54 PM Dinero10 - 2015-04-02 2:44 PM I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
For what you are experiencing with your boy I would go with Blue Bonnet Omega Force. My horses are responding well to it and it's very cost effective. It's more per bag, but you feed much less than you do any of the other feeds mentioned. It's designed to help with digestive issues. I'm only feeding 8# a day to the one that's getting the most. Wait, I thought Purina was listed on the safe horse feeds on the facebook page "is my horse feed safe..." Have a friend in Florida that is feeding Ultium....
Yes, when that list was made, we were going off of what the feed companies were saying. Many obviously decided Lasacoid didn't count. It's pretty tough to nail these companies down and get truthful answers. They are right up there with lawyers and politicians when it comes to avoiding telling the truth. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | daisycake123 - 2015-04-02 8:12 PM I was informed that blue seal plant i think in pa the add the cattle additives out side the horse plant, it is not mixed where it could come in contact at any time with horse feed. My feed rep told me this and i dont know about any of the rest. Also triple crown and nutrena come from some of the same plants in the south. Dont know,about southern states feed. I dont know one line ends and other begins.
Southern States is Triple Crown. They co-op their feed so it's made all over the place...no consistency. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | cranky B4 10am - 2015-04-02 10:27 PM This is the reply I got from Purina, and it shows the mills that make cattle feed and horse feed in the same mill:
Dijanne,
Thanks for your inquiry. We understand the concern about ionophores in horse feed. Your product is being made in the Fort Worth, TX plant. We have separate manufacturing systems for the horse and cattle feed at this location. The plant in Fort Worth uses a physical segregation and advanced systems and processes are in place to guard against cross contamination.
The locations where we make cattle feed as well as the horse feed are located in:
Guilderland, NY (GNY )
Fort Worth, TX (FTW )
Statesville, NC (STA )
Gainesville, GA (GNS )
Gonzales, TX (GOZ )
For all other plants, no ionophores are being used.
The date code stamp along the bottom will when and where it was made. You should have a sequence of Year/Month/Day/Plant/Shift.
We have high quality standards at all of our manufacturing mills. Please do not hesitate to call or email us if you have any additional questions or concerns you wish to have addressed.
Have a great day!
Beverly
Beverly Fischer | Purina Animal Nutrition, LLC.
Manager, Customer Operations – Consumer| www.purinamills.com
Toll Free: 1-800-227-8941 | Fax: 636-742-6170
So, I will be checking the labels before buying!
I would love it if we could get some people that live in these areas to go and take a tour of these facilities. We need to educate ourselves on the processes and know what to look for before we go though. I'm sure there's plenty of smoke and mirrors in some of these "separate" facilities. My greatest concern is the reliability of the workers involved. The fact that a catastrophic mistake is possible at any time is very real. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | So what do I feed? In my area, it's Nutrena or Purina. I tried moving them all to oats last year and they looked terrible.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | CanCan - 2015-04-03 10:10 AM So what do I feed? In my area, it's Nutrena or Purina. I tried moving them all to oats last year and they looked terrible.
I put 2 of mine on alfalfa and rice bran and they look so great, I'm switching everyone to it. Pellets, cubes, bales, chaffhay...there are several options for the alfalfa part, and as long as the rice bran is stabilized you're good because of the calcium in the alfalfa, so you don't have to buy the expensive stuff that's calcium balanced for horses. I can soak for the old horses--the pellets soak really fast. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | CanCan - 2015-04-03 10:10 AM So what do I feed? In my area, it's Nutrena or Purina. I tried moving them all to oats last year and they looked terrible.
Not all Purina and not all Nutrena is bad. You need to check your numbers to see which plant yours comes from. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2015-04-03 5:21 AM
cranky B4 10am - 2015-04-02 10:27 PM This is the reply I got from Purina, and it shows the mills that make cattle feed and horse feed in the same mill:
Dijanne,
Thanks for your inquiry. We understand the concern about ionophores in horse feed. Your product is being made in the Fort Worth, TX plant. We have separate manufacturing systems for the horse and cattle feed at this location. The plant in Fort Worth uses a physical segregation and advanced systems and processes are in place to guard against cross contamination.
The locations where we make cattle feed as well as the horse feed are located in:
Guilderland, NY (GNY )
Fort Worth, TX (FTW )
Statesville, NC (STA )
Gainesville, GA (GNS )
Gonzales, TX (GOZ )
For all other plants, no ionophores are being used.
The date code stamp along the bottom will when and where it was made. You should have a sequence of Year/Month/Day/Plant/Shift.
We have high quality standards at all of our manufacturing mills. Please do not hesitate to call or email us if you have any additional questions or concerns you wish to have addressed.
Have a great day!
Beverly
Beverly Fischer | Purina Animal Nutrition, LLC.
Manager, Customer Operations – Consumer| www.purinamills.com
Toll Free: 1-800-227-8941 | Fax: 636-742-6170
So, I will be checking the labels before buying!
Just looked on my ultium bag and my feed is made in TRL wherever that is. Lol but it's not on the list of cattle feed mills. Lol |
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| Just called Tractor Supply where I get my SafeChoice from, asked him what mill their Nutrena comes from and he immediately said "Inner Grove" and didn't think twice about it. So, where or how do I find out if the mill in Inner Grove Heights, MN is a safe one??? |
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| rodeocr8zy - 2015-04-03 8:59 AM
Just called Tractor Supply where I get my SafeChoice from, asked him what mill their Nutrena comes from and he immediately said "Inner Grove" and didn't think twice about it. So, where or how do I find out if the mill in Inner Grove Heights, MN is a safe one???
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-03 11:03 AM
rodeocr8zy - 2015-04-03 8:59 AM
Just called Tractor Supply where I get my SafeChoice from, asked him what mill their Nutrena comes from and he immediately said "Inner Grove" and didn't think twice about it. So, where or how do I find out if the mill in Inner Grove Heights, MN is a safe one???
I would just call. Probably best way.
I was looking for the number just now and all I can find is Purina mills in that city. I think the TSC guy was mixed up. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | rodeocr8zy - 2015-04-03 11:08 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-03 11:03 AM rodeocr8zy - 2015-04-03 8:59 AM Just called Tractor Supply where I get my SafeChoice from, asked him what mill their Nutrena comes from and he immediately said "Inner Grove" and didn't think twice about it. So, where or how do I find out if the mill in Inner Grove Heights, MN is a safe one??? I would just call. Probably best way. I was looking for the number just now and all I can find is Purina mills in that city. I think the TSC guy was mixed up.
Not saying this is the case but you would be surprised at the mills that make feed for other mills or companies. Or private label feeds that have their own bag and formula that are made at different places pending orders for the area. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | TurnLane - 2015-04-03 10:36 AM CanCan - 2015-04-03 10:10 AM So what do I feed? In my area, it's Nutrena or Purina. I tried moving them all to oats last year and they looked terrible.
Not all Purina and not all Nutrena is bad. You need to check your numbers to see which plant yours comes from.
This. With phone calls and internet search and questions I found out that the Nutrena I had been feeding came from a medicated mill. The Purina I can get comes from a medicated FREE mill. Woody's is available to me with some travel time and I feed that to one of my horses. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | rodeocr8zy - 2015-04-03 10:59 AM Just called Tractor Supply where I get my SafeChoice from, asked him what mill their Nutrena comes from and he immediately said "Inner Grove" and didn't think twice about it. So, where or how do I find out if the mill in Inner Grove Heights, MN is a safe one???
I'm in NE South Dakota and I emailed Nutrena with the lot numbers off my bags. The stuff I can get here is from New Richland, MN where they run medicated feed through the same lines.
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-04-03 11:20 AM rodeocr8zy - 2015-04-03 11:08 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-03 11:03 AM rodeocr8zy - 2015-04-03 8:59 AM Just called Tractor Supply where I get my SafeChoice from, asked him what mill their Nutrena comes from and he immediately said "Inner Grove" and didn't think twice about it. So, where or how do I find out if the mill in Inner Grove Heights, MN is a safe one??? I would just call. Probably best way. I was looking for the number just now and all I can find is Purina mills in that city. I think the TSC guy was mixed up.
This is what I learned yesterday as well, that ADM has been outsourcing a lot of their feed... So who knows anymore where feed comes from. IT sure does explain to me why plain grains got so nasty several years ago... |
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Location: Beggs, OK | I sent an email to several of the major feed companies today requesting a list of their ionophore free facilities. I will update with their responses.
I've heard from several sources that these discussions are getting some attention from the manufacturers....To bad there aren't more horse owners paying attention. There's an Equine Nutrition group on FB that I just became a member of that has several members that recommend ADM feeds for every question that is asked  |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-06 1:07 PM I sent an email to several of the major feed companies today requesting a list of their ionophore free facilities. I will update with their responses.
I've heard from several sources that these discussions are getting some attention from the manufacturers....To bad there aren't more horse owners paying attention. There's an Equine Nutrition group on FB that I just became a member of that has several members that recommend ADM feeds for every question that is asked
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Location: western Nebraska | I posted on the other thread but a rep from Nutrena called me today. He told me that the Sterling, Co plant from now forward will be ionophore free.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | doglady - 2015-04-06 9:31 PM I posted on the other thread but a rep from Nutrena called me today. He told me that the Sterling, Co plant from now forward will be ionophore free.
I was hoping with all the back lash that some of these companies would go Ionophore free. Glad to hear that. |
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I posted on the other thread but a rep from Nutrena called me today. He told me that the Sterling, Co plant from now forward will be ionophore free.
I have a very hard time believing that given all the commercial cattle feedlots in this area. I guess I need to go back to the plant and have another chat with them to verify. Will keep you all posted. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Definitely convenient timing now that we are moving into Spring... |
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Location: Here | SKM - 2015-04-07 7:09 AM doglady - 2015-04-06 8:31 PM I posted on the other thread but a rep from Nutrena called me today. He told me that the Sterling, Co plant from now forward will be ionophore free.
I have a very hard time believing that given all the commercial cattle feedlots in this area. I guess I need to go back to the plant and have another chat with them to verify. Will keep you all posted.
I agree... Thank you SKM and some of "them" think ionophores only mean monesin and disregard the problems with Bovatec. Only when you press them will they admit they use Bovatec |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Is anyone familiar with who produces the "Ranch Pro" line of feeds that is sold at Atwood's? There are still so many people that think that they are making a safe choice for their horses because they are buying oats and not a commercial concentrate. |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-08 9:50 AM Is anyone familiar with who produces the "Ranch Pro" line of feeds that is sold at Atwood's? There are still so many people that think that they are making a safe choice for their horses because they are buying oats and not a commercial concentrate.
I know that is what is scary. When the light bulb went off a few months ago that this is why my "real" grains looked moldy, tainted with something. ARGGG |
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Location: western Nebraska | SG. - 2015-04-07 1:22 PM SKM - 2015-04-07 7:09 AM doglady - 2015-04-06 8:31 PM I posted on the other thread but a rep from Nutrena called me today. He told me that the Sterling, Co plant from now forward will be ionophore free.
I have a very hard time believing that given all the commercial cattle feedlots in this area. I guess I need to go back to the plant and have another chat with them to verify. Will keep you all posted.
Yes, it would be great if you could actually go there. The man seemed very positive talking to me on the phone but to actually be there in person would be wonderful.. Thanks
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Location: Red Raiderland | I still have not heard back from Nutrena about where my feed (Safechoice Perform) was milled. Can anyone tell from the Lot# on my tag? I bought it at TSC in Canton, Texas.
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Location: Here | I think it should be required for them to post where lots are made on their website.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I posted on their FB page with my code and they responded within a few hours. I wish the information was more readily available |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2015-04-10 8:31 PM I posted on their FB page with my code and they responded within a few hours. I wish the information was more readily available
They don't want that easily available just like they don't want the list of their ingredients easily found. |
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Location: Red Raiderland | Ok, I finally got an email yesterday but he failed to tell me where my feed was produced so I just got another email today saying it was made in Giddings, Texas. Is this an ionophore-free mill?  |
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Location: Oklahoma | Even if they are inonphore free... many still use Bovetec. I switched away from Nutrena all together |
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Location: Beggs, OK | TwistedK - 2015-04-14 3:43 PM Even if they are inonphore free... many still use Bovetec. I switched away from Nutrena all together
Just to clarify...Many are claiming "Rumensin/Monensin Free" Bovatec is the trade name for Lasalocid which is also an Ionophore.
The recommendation that I got directly from an FDA inspector is to stick with FDA licensed mills so that you know that they are being inspected. If you suspect that there is an issue with your feed HAVE IT TESTED. Do not throw away your feed sacks until you have fed all of that feed. FDA licensed mills are subject to random sample testing...but, they don't test for anything that's not supposed to be in the feed. They only test for guaranteed analysis.
The smaller local mills are not as regulated and are operating on the honor system...and it seems that there are plenty of them that have no honor. |
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Location: Oklahoma | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-14 3:48 PM
TwistedK - 2015-04-14 3:43 PM Even if they are inonphore free... many still use Bovetec. I switched away from Nutrena all together
Just to clarify...Many are claiming "Rumensin/Monensin Free" Bovatec is the trade name for Lasalocid which is also an Ionophore.
The recommendation that I got directly from an FDA inspector is to stick with FDA licensed mills so that you know that they are being inspected. If you suspect that there is an issue with your feed HAVE IT TESTED. Do not throw away your feed sacks until you have fed all of that feed. FDA licensed mills are subject to random sample testing...but, they don't test for anything that's not supposed to be in the feed. They only test for guaranteed analysis.
The smaller local mills are not as regulated and are operating on the honor system...and it seems that there are plenty of them that have no honor.
Thank you. I couldn't remember the other name... This was the info I was looking for :) |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-14 3:48 PM TwistedK - 2015-04-14 3:43 PM Even if they are inonphore free... many still use Bovetec. I switched away from Nutrena all together Just to clarify...Many are claiming "Rumensin/Monensin Free" Bovatec is the trade name for Lasalocid which is also an Ionophore.
The recommendation that I got directly from an FDA inspector is to stick with FDA licensed mills so that you know that they are being inspected. If you suspect that there is an issue with your feed HAVE IT TESTED. Do not throw away your feed sacks until you have fed all of that feed. FDA licensed mills are subject to random sample testing...but, they don't test for anything that's not supposed to be in the feed. They only test for guaranteed analysis.
The smaller local mills are not as regulated and are operating on the honor system...and it seems that there are plenty of them that have no honor.
This is what makes my head spin is why are they allowed to make medicated feeds without a license. YES I know they are I found out the hard way but just messed up |
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