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Location: North Dakota | This is a little personal...but I'm at a loss as I've never experienced this before. I worked for a very large corporation for a year and a half. Last month, a couple of us from my department were rounded up and fired with a stupid excuse . There were no performance issues, in fact I was great at my job and was in the process of training a new employee. The interesting thing was that just shortly before, we all had to send in reviews of our bosses. My bosses were  holes to say the least. Not only did they treat us like untrustworthy slaves, but they mismanaged our department, did things behind HR's back, and were completely unreliable/ignorant of what actually goes on within the department. I know for a fact that us that were let go had recently given poor reviews of them. Now that I'm looking for another job, I'm afraid that saying "I was fired" is going to keep me from getting one, but I don't want to lie. Also, if I do get an interview, I don't know how to talk about this without sounding like I'm bad-mouthing the company. Any advice would be appreciated.
ETA- I was also planning on quitting anyway, just had wanted to get another job lined up first...
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Location: Kentucky | Just say you were let go due to a reorg. Don't bad mouth the company in an interview... New company will take notice to that. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Umm.. Usually in instances like that.. They must have previous employment reviews that disses your work protocol..... Myself. knowing my work ethic.... well... never mind,,, |
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Location: Kentucky | komet. - 2015-04-03 2:21 AM Umm.. Usually in instances like that.. They must have previous employment reviews that disses your work protocol..... Myself. knowing my work ethic.... well... never mind,,,
I work in recruiting and this isn't true. At least not in the state of KY. You can be terminated for any reason (at will), it does not have to be performance based. |
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Location: Texas | What was the stupid excuse? Im assuming you want to use your last job as a reference so I would go closely along with their reasoning so things match up. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Murphy - 2015-04-03 1:30 AM
komet. - 2015-04-03 2:21 AM Umm.. Usually in instances like that.. They must have previous employment reviews that disses your work protocol..... Myself. knowing my work ethic.... well... never mind,,,
I work in recruiting and this isn't true. At least not in the state of KY. You can be terminated for any reason (at will), it does not have to be performance based.
So you can be fired without cause?? Say you're reaching retirement and they can fire you so they don't have to pay?? Oh Buddy!!!! No wonder they have so many people coming into job sites and killing the boss....
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Location: Kentucky | komet. - 2015-04-03 2:57 AM Murphy - 2015-04-03 1:30 AM komet. - 2015-04-03 2:21 AM Umm.. Usually in instances like that.. They must have previous employment reviews that disses your work protocol..... Myself. knowing my work ethic.... well... never mind,,, I work in recruiting and this isn't true. At least not in the state of KY. You can be terminated for any reason (at will), it does not have to be performance based. So you can be fired without cause?? Say you're reaching retirement and they can fire you so they don't have to pay?? Oh Buddy!!!! No wonder they have so many people coming into job sites and killing the boss....
Yes. There would probably be an age discrimination lawsuit, but if the company has their ducks in a row, it would be tough to fight. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Murphy - 2015-04-03 2:19 AM
komet. - 2015-04-03 2:57 AM Murphy - 2015-04-03 1:30 AM komet. - 2015-04-03 2:21 AM Umm.. Usually in instances like that.. They must have previous employment reviews that disses your work protocol..... Myself. knowing my work ethic.... well... never mind,,, I work in recruiting and this isn't true. At least not in the state of KY. You can be terminated for any reason (at will), it does not have to be performance based. So you can be fired without cause?? Say you're reaching retirement and they can fire you so they don't have to pay?? Oh Buddy!!!! No wonder they have so many people coming into job sites and killing the boss....
Age hell!!!! Imagine if the government decided to fire everyone after 19 years to avoid paying pension!!!!
My Dad put 20 years in the Armed Forces and then put 20 more in the USPS... Knowing me... Can you imagine his reaction if he got fired in his 19th year of both??????
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Location: North Dakota | outrundaizy - 2015-04-03 1:43 AM
What was the stupid excuse? Im assuming you want to use your last job as a reference so I would go closely along with their reasoning so things match up.
We work at night usually (4pm to either midnight or 4am) and there's snacks set out and there's a little own bucket you put money in they said it "looked" like I didn't put my $.75 in there one time. BUT I DID. They have no proof I didn't. There's no way for then to tell from where the security camera is. But it was my word against the boss. Another person's shift was unexpectedly changed (we are usually on a regular rotation) and he made an honest mistake and missed it and was fired the same time I was. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-04-03 3:28 AM
outrundaizy - 2015-04-03 1:43 AM
What was the stupid excuse? Im assuming you want to use your last job as a reference so I would go closely along with their reasoning so things match up.
We work at night usually (4pm to either midnight or 4am ) and there's snacks set out and there's a little own bucket you put money in they said it "looked" like I didn't put my $.75 in there one time. BUT I DID. They have no proof I didn't. There's no way for then to tell from where the security camera is. But it was my word against the boss. Another person's shift was unexpectedly changed (we are usually on a regular rotation ) and he made an honest mistake and missed it and was fired the same time I was.
OH!!!! You were fired over a voluntary 75 cents?? Oh man!!! I'd SO SUE those MFs.... I'd teach them a WHOLE new definition of seventyfive cents!!!   |
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Location: Florida | This is what happens in "Right to Work" states like Wisconson is now. Any employee can be let go for no reason. I know I will get flamed for saying this but this is why we need unions. It can't happen like this in a unionized workplace.
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Location: Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-04-03 3:28 AM outrundaizy - 2015-04-03 1:43 AM What was the stupid excuse? Im assuming you want to use your last job as a reference so I would go closely along with their reasoning so things match up. We work at night usually (4pm to either midnight or 4am ) and there's snacks set out and there's a little own bucket you put money in they said it "looked" like I didn't put my $.75 in there one time. BUT I DID. They have no proof I didn't. There's no way for then to tell from where the security camera is. But it was my word against the boss. Another person's shift was unexpectedly changed (we are usually on a regular rotation ) and he made an honest mistake and missed it and was fired the same time I was.
Well I have no advice on that one... That honestly sounds like a joke to me.
Kind of scary that they can just let you go like that, I do hope you find another job, that treats you better too! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Vickie - 2015-04-03 4:35 AM
This is what happens in "Right to Work" states like Wisconson is now. Any employee can be let go for no reason. I know I will get flamed for saying this but this is why we need unions. It can't happen like this in a unionized workplace.
Flame suit on, fire away.
Well... I know when unions got started... and did great things... and i was there when they overstepped their bounds and got curtailed...I consider the Air Traffic Controller's Strike to be a terrorist act against this country.... so....where do we go from here? |
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Location: Midwest | Vickie - 2015-04-03 4:35 AM This is what happens in "Right to Work" states like Wisconson is now. Any employee can be let go for no reason. I know I will get flamed for saying this but this is why we need unions. It can't happen like this in a unionized workplace.
Flame suit on, fire away.
Nope. So much nope.
To the OP, I would say you were laid off/let go due to restructuring, as Murphy said. I doubt they will even ask. If you need a reference, give them a number of a co-worker you got along with, but I doubt they will call your previous employer. I swear, half the time they don't even call the references. |
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| Vickie - 2015-04-03 4:35 AM
This is what happens in "Right to Work" states like Wisconson is now. Any employee can be let go for no reason. I know I will get flamed for saying this but this is why we need unions. It can't happen like this in a unionized workplace.
Flame suit on, fire away.
I'm curious about this.
Based on that statement, when I, as an employer hire you I hire you for life?
You know what you as an employee are entitled to? You are entitled to receive the agreed upon compensation for work done.
Nothing else. Don't like that you say?
Go find a job somewhere that you like better. It's your right.
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Location: Florida.. | I am sure it wasnt the .75 .. it could have been any reason but I assure you it wasnt that.Id not assume ... There must have been conflicts and attitudes and restructuring.. Id not bad mouth any company thats a way to not get hired.. |
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| komet. - 2015-04-03 1:57 AM Murphy - 2015-04-03 1:30 AM komet. - 2015-04-03 2:21 AM Umm.. Usually in instances like that.. They must have previous employment reviews that disses your work protocol..... Myself. knowing my work ethic.... well... never mind,,, I work in recruiting and this isn't true. At least not in the state of KY. You can be terminated for any reason (at will), it does not have to be performance based. So you can be fired without cause?? Say you're reaching retirement and they can fire you so they don't have to pay?? Oh Buddy!!!! No wonder they have so many people coming into job sites and killing the boss....
Oklahoma is a "Right to work state" and I was told by the head HR guy "I don't need a reason to let anyone go, aka fire. I just need to say Your services are no longer needed!" NO paperwork needed. |
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| I was also told that your previous employer cannot state the reason you left. If they are asked about your work history legally they can say Yes she worked here from 2011 to 2012 THAT's IT. no reason for leaving can be stated legally. |
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Location: Midwest | arion - 2015-04-03 7:28 AM Vickie - 2015-04-03 4:35 AM This is what happens in "Right to Work" states like Wisconson is now. Any employee can be let go for no reason. I know I will get flamed for saying this but this is why we need unions. It can't happen like this in a unionized workplace.
Flame suit on, fire away. I'm curious about this. Based on that statement, when I, as an employer hire you I hire you for life? You know what you as an employee are entitled to? You are entitled to receive the agreed upon compensation for work done. Nothing else. Don't like that you say? Go find a job somewhere that you like better. It's your right.
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| suzy2qtee - 2015-04-03 8:13 AM
I was also told that your previous employer cannot state the reason you left. If they are asked about your work history legally they can say Yes she worked here from 2011 to 2012 THAT's IT. no reason for leaving can be stated legally.
That is for the most part true
In Texas you can also answer if they are eligible for rehire.
Pretty much nothing else.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Vickie - 2015-04-03 4:35 AM This is what happens in "Right to Work" states like Wisconson is now. Any employee can be let go for no reason. I know I will get flamed for saying this but this is why we need unions. It can't happen like this in a unionized workplace.
Flame suit on, fire away.
I need to be able to fire people. Sorry, some people suck at the job even if they show up reliably and have a good attitude. This is one reason govt offices suck--they have a REALLY hard time firing people regardless of how much they deserve it. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I would put on the applications company restructuring. When I look at applications, I usually look at the length of time there. Then the reason.
When I call to verify employment, I make sure I have a signed release saying I can ask questions. If the form is requested. If someone calls me to verify employment, I will not give out any information unless I also receive a form from the former employee. And, this also applies for current employees. You never know when a crazy is calling so they can come to the workplace and blow everyone up because they don't like your employee.
And, I agree with Arion. As an employer, I provide you with a safe working environment and the agreed upon terms, i.e., pay, benefits, vacation, time schedule. |
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Location: Texas | Based upon the scenario you provided, I suspect you were fired out of retaliation. If these managers have a gravy train going, then you and others provided bad reviews, that puts their cushy deal in jeopardy. Retaliation is hard to prove, but I would bet that is actually the reason you were let go. |
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Location: North Dakota | aggiejudger - 2015-04-03 8:55 AM Based upon the scenario you provided, I suspect you were fired out of retaliation. If these managers have a gravy train going, then you and others provided bad reviews, that puts their cushy deal in jeopardy. Retaliation is hard to prove, but I would bet that is actually the reason you were let go.
That's what I think too. I'm VERY close friends with some others in my department, some of which are still there, so they were able to give me info on the other suspicious firings at the same time as me. |
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Location: North Dakota | I have a close family friend that got fired for giving a bad report/comment!! He had worked for this fortune 100 company for 14 years, always a top employee! A new vice president started working in a position just above his. The NEW vice-president would take other peoples work and pawn it off as his own, or ask an opinion before a meeting and again present it as his idea. After this went on for a while my friend complained that the new VP was a snake and taking the credit for other peoples work etc.....my friend got fired!! Two years after he was fired the "new" vice president was fired because someone with a brain finally figured out he WAS a snake but that didn't help my friend who had already lost his job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should just say the company down sized!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Never give a bad report about someone above you!!!! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Well its said and done, time to move on and find another job  |
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| Unions have festered into political machines to support the ones that support them from elected officials that give them exemptions like Obamacare etc etc.
Military keeps from paying retirements by attacking those that have 12-16 years of service by saying their work description is no longer needed.
Private companies will get rid of you before 10 years so you do not become fully invested in any type of matching funds or retirement programs.
They will also monitor ages of employees starting at 40 years old and deciding you are a higher cost to insurance plans or a liability to the company and put you on the to fire list for some unknown reason by an unknown accuser.
Getting rid of you before you reach 55 is also a major to dump you before your age is figured into the employee cost charts. When you see a new cost analysis or consultant hired .. you know heads are going to roll starting with the oldest and/or most loyal employees.
Also keep in mind that your management team all play golf, BBQ and kiss each other's butts whether at work or during weekends. .. If you look at the management chart you will see the head nerd ensures he hires people into management that will never challenge him for his job and this goes for top to bottom of the chart!!
Another also in your major companies is the management pay scales ............ a manager can become eligible for higher pay grades the more college grads he has in his department vs hourly people. .. you will see very qualified efficient techs getting fired and their amount of pay being used to hire more nerdy college grads in order to move that manager into a higher pay scale ... for instance.. manager becomes eligible for a higher pay scale for hiring 5 dummy college grads vs keeping his 8 capable experienced hourly people ... when things fall apart he just asks to hire more supervisors which puts his failures behind another brick wall .. same as Obama does ... has someone else to blame ..
The only dig you can get in is saying that they were reducing the work force due to a reduction in sales etc etc ...
Just keep in mind when interviewing the interviewer has the same reasoning powers as the bunch you just left ... so be charming, on time and short answers without any long explanations or negative statements about anything at your old company. Fake your interest in being hired in a lower job to get your foot in the door so you can move to another position once you are hired.
And for God's sake ... go clean up your FB pages before applying to any company!! and leave your cell phone in your car!! NO DISTRACTIONS!!!
Since you will be applying at several companies ... fill out one of the tuffer employment applications, (have a pre-written short cover letter or short resume' if required) and make a copy of it with all of your information on it to copy off of when filling out other apps at different companies. .. and fill out their application and return it the same day while in the area to save you time and gas monies. By being prepared your answers will be more concise and cover letter // resume' will be shorter and to the point.
Always research and look around the area for other companies and go fill out applications with them while you are in the area. Make your job hunt an all day job by applying several times in the same day!!
Psssst ... don't tell them you were training a new employee who evidently is now doing your old job ...
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Location: Watertown, SD | arion - 2015-04-03 7:28 AM Vickie - 2015-04-03 4:35 AM This is what happens in "Right to Work" states like Wisconson is now. Any employee can be let go for no reason. I know I will get flamed for saying this but this is why we need unions. It can't happen like this in a unionized workplace.
Flame suit on, fire away. I'm curious about this. Based on that statement, when I, as an employer hire you I hire you for life? You know what you as an employee are entitled to? You are entitled to receive the agreed upon compensation for work done. Nothing else. Don't like that you say? Go find a job somewhere that you like better. It's your right.
Exactly. As an employer, I can't begin to count the number of times employees cost me money because they simply decided to not show up for a shift or to quit without notice. "Right to work" states don't allow me to go after them, nor do I see any groups villianize them as selfish or greedy. It is their right to quit without notice, just as it is my right to terminate their employ...although doing so will likely cause my unemployment insurance to go up. The pendulum swings both ways, as it should. |
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Location: North Dakota | srs - 2015-04-03 7:06 PM arion - 2015-04-03 7:28 AM Vickie - 2015-04-03 4:35 AM This is what happens in "Right to Work" states like Wisconson is now. Any employee can be let go for no reason. I know I will get flamed for saying this but this is why we need unions. It can't happen like this in a unionized workplace.
Flame suit on, fire away. I'm curious about this. Based on that statement, when I, as an employer hire you I hire you for life? You know what you as an employee are entitled to? You are entitled to receive the agreed upon compensation for work done. Nothing else. Don't like that you say? Go find a job somewhere that you like better. It's your right.
I'm a believer in Right to Work and would never join a union even after this experience. I don't want to start a political debate with this particular post. |
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