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 ND Sweetheart
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Location: In My Own Dream Land | Ok Y'all I need a little help.
We've done xrays and there is nothing 'wrong".
My mare is very sore on her front feet. I'm wanting to put pads on to help her out. When I got her last summer, she was barefoot. I put shoes on and it helped but didn't take her slight "gimp" when on HARD ground away.
I was looking at doing a pour in pad.
What are you opinions..
Thanks
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Location: California | Have you thought about something like this?
I dont know much about full padded shoes, other than I don't care for the idea. lol
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| Chances are your horse is like mine, extremely thin soled. Xrays clean but tender footed. I started feeding a hoof supplement, and also using pads for 3 shoeings (18 weeks) also using a sole conditioner under the pad ( Squirt it under there every few days) called "Rickens". My horse has grown a ton of foot in the last 12 weeks. We are thinking this will be the last 6 weeks with pads! |
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ND Sweetheart
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Location: In My Own Dream Land | I'm just wondering if she will need more coverage than just a shoe.
Anyone used anything like this??
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Location: North Dakota | Is it soreness on any specific spot? Heel pain? Toe pain? Or overall?
Is your mare landing heel first, flat-footed, or toe first?
A little more information might make for a better suggestion!
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ND Sweetheart
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Location: In My Own Dream Land | Its toe pain. If you take hoof testers, she is very sore. To be honest, I'm not sure if she is landing, toe, heel etc first. |
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| tThompson - 2015-04-03 2:05 PM
I'm just wondering if she will need more coverage than just a shoe.
Anyone used anything like this??
I like that concept. Is it a temporary pad? What's it called and where did you find it? |
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ND Sweetheart
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Location: In My Own Dream Land | FLITASTIC - 2015-04-03 7:14 PM tThompson - 2015-04-03 2:05 PM I'm just wondering if she will need more coverage than just a shoe. Anyone used anything like this?? I like that concept. Is it a temporary pad? What's it called and where did you find it?
Its a pour in. EquiPak from Vettec. The picture is used with the mesh. I have to talked to a few gals here and they have used it for 10 months or more and have been real impressed. Guess its worth a shot.
Sounds like you have to repour every shoeing but if it helps, I guess that's what we'll do.
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| We padded 3 or 4 at the barn last spring with the regular green vettec pour in pad when our turn out conditions were miserable from a rough freeze/thaw cycle. They were getting body sore from walking on it. The pads helped tremendously and we were ready to do it again this spring in a heartbeat if it looked like the spring would be messy - thankfully it's not been bad at all.
I would say the pads are worth a try, or take a hard look at your farrier and his experience level and see if perhaps you need to take the xrays to another farrier who specializes in lameness issues for a second opinion. |
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Location: New York | I have a gelding who's the same way, xrays are clean but he gets sore in his front feet. I use the pour in pads when he's running( usually around 8 months of the year) and he seems much more comfortable with them on! I like that theres no way for mud or anything to get in between the pad and the foot, like with regular pads. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | My horse is thin soled right now, from imbalanced feet, he is at 11mm and should be 13plus. Going to talk with my new farrier and tell him what the vet said and see if he agrees with trying shoes and pads on my next farrier visit.(which is what the vet reccomended) |
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| I am in the middle of this with a horse - she is super thin soled, but x-rayed fine. We chose to put her in rims with a full leather pad between the shoe and her hoof. My farrier packed the soles with Equi-pak to help build sole and keep infection at bay. Here in another week or so we're going to re-set with more of the same for the second round ... Super economical so far and I'm hoping it does the trick to help her out. If it doesn't ... the next step is possibly pour in pads.
ETA - It is only on her front feet.
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Location: My happy place | I have used these for 5 years, very happy with them.
http://shop.impactgel.com/Horse-Trax_c74.htm |
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Location: MD | if I have to pad one that I am running, the pour ins are the only way to go. Have used the vettec pour ins on several horses throughout the years, in various disciplines and have always been happy. |
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| tThompson - 2015-04-03 5:05 PM
I'm just wondering if she will need more coverage than just a shoe.
Anyone used anything like this??
I use the pour in pads with my gelding. He was thinned soled and had inflammation in his bursas. We injected bursas, made a shoeing change and started using the pour in pads. At first we did a full pour. With the new type of shoes we were using I was a little concerned about my gelding having enough grab with the ground. After two resets I asked my shoer to only do a big 1/2 fill with the pour in pads. Enough to give him support but still allows dirt to get in there.
I don't know if it's the shoes, the pour in pad or a combo but my gelding LOVES LOVES LOVES the new setup (been doing it for 2 years). His soles are great now too. He licks and chews every time my shoer resets him, I'm not changing anything. |
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| I love the impact gel pads! |
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Location: Winging It in KY | FLITASTIC - 2015-04-03 8:14 PM tThompson - 2015-04-03 2:05 PM I'm just wondering if she will need more coverage than just a shoe. Anyone used anything like this?? I like that concept. Is it a temporary pad? What's it called and where did you find it?
Nanric
They have the Vettec here as well as the Rickens foot formula.At least you can read about it. |
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Location: Greencastle PA | Try the pour a pads they r awesome, i use them, and my gelding had xrays and everything, he was what they call stinging and they have helped him plus the shoes stay on and you can go longer between shoeing. |
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Location: Greencastle PA | tThompson - 2015-04-03 5:05 PM I'm just wondering if she will need more coverage than just a shoe. Anyone used anything like this??
i use them awsome. |
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Location: Kansas | tThompson - 2015-04-05 9:35 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-03 7:14 PM tThompson - 2015-04-03 2:05 PM I'm just wondering if she will need more coverage than just a shoe. Anyone used anything like this?? I like that concept. Is it a temporary pad? What's it called and where did you find it?
Sounds like you have to repour every shoeing but if it helps, I guess that's what we'll do.
Chance (my gray horse) has Equipack in his front shoes and I believe Cole is using the mesh but a blue Equipack (maybe the super highpowered kind...I just know it's pricey LOL). We have been doing this for about a year now and it's kept Chance's feet from being sore very often. We do still have to inject coffin joints occasionally but the Equipack is helping I think. Or maybe I'm just afraid to change anything when he's working good and feeling like a freight train. lol. We do repour the Equipack every shoeing and occasionally the mesh will rip away from the nails & he'll lose a pad a few weeks into a shoeing cycle but so far that hasn't been a big deal. I think it adds about $40-50 to my price but when Chance feels right, he can win way more than that back. His foot pain tends to be across the center third of the frog but so far we have no navicular bone changes, just small feet on a hard-running horse with fairly straight pasterns. Equipack has been better for him than traditional pads because now we don't get water and crap under the pad. |
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ND Sweetheart
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Location: In My Own Dream Land | Thank you all so very much for the info!! 
I am switching farries, (mine won't answer my calls, call me back or show up when he is suppose to) so hopefully we can get this figured out. I rode in a soft deep sand pen and she worked amazing, but I know when we go outside she will probably be ouchy. I plan to use rims on her, so i'm glad to hear it has worked well for others.
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Location: So. Cali. | tThompson - 2015-04-03 2:05 PM I'm just wondering if she will need more coverage than just a shoe. Anyone used anything like this??
I used this on my mare for two different seasons. Same scenario, tender footed, clean xrays, but actual pads caused discomfort to her heels because she lands so heavily heel first. Pour in pads were great, but after too long of use they start preventing the horse to grow a frog and sole, so a break from the pour in every so often when you can would be best.
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Location: taking the road less traveled... | I tried the pour in pads with the vettec and the mesh and within two weeks it was starting to come out like peel and didnt hold up well with marshy humid conditions. When you live in a state where it rains about 75 inches a year and its humid, its extremely hard to keep good hard soles unless you keep them up 24/7 and that is not an option. My horses stay up at night and are out during the day unless its bad weather. I had the same scenario with my horse, he grows a tremendous amount of hoof wall but barely any sole and stays tender. X rays were clean as well, so next step is to try the leather pad with the vet tec under the leather pad to prevent mud, dirt, thrush, and all other hoof fungus away. If anyone has any experience with living in humid, moist weather year round with any advice on keeping a thin soled horse from being tender and grow more sole, I am open to suggestions. Btw I have tried every hoof supplement known to man kind including durasole and rickens.
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Location: taking the road less traveled... | Anyone ? Help ! |
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The Advice Guru
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| Maybe I am in left field, but when my vet says the X-rays are clean, the sole depth is within the acceptible limit.
So my question is to the people who have had X-rays and the vet say they are clean, is he measuring the sole,
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| ITurnCans - 2015-06-03 12:09 AM
I tried the pour in pads with the vettec and the mesh and within two weeks it was starting to come out like peel and didnt hold up well with marshy humid conditions. When you live in a state where it rains about 75 inches a year and its humid, its extremely hard to keep good hard soles unless you keep them up 24/7 and that is not an option. My horses stay up at night and are out during the day unless its bad weather. I had the same scenario with my horse, he grows a tremendous amount of hoof wall but barely any sole and stays tender. X rays were clean as well, so next step is to try the leather pad with the vet tec under the leather pad to prevent mud, dirt, thrush, and all other hoof fungus away. If anyone has any experience with living in humid, moist weather year round with any advice on keeping a thin soled horse from being tender and grow more sole, I am open to suggestions. Btw I have tried every hoof supplement known to man kind including durasole and rickens.
Thanks!
You have to change the environment, period. I know you said that is not an option but it has to be. Supplements will not protect a wet bad foot.
We have shoers in our area that will not even shoe a horse that isn't kept in a manageable environment because it is a waste of their time. Most especially with pads or therapeutic shoes. Sorry I wish I had better advice.
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| My husband is a farrier and he loves equi pack. It has helped so many horses that are tender footed. Also if you did not want to go with the pour in route, keratex hoof hardner works excellent (brush it on the soles).
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Location: North Dakota | One of my horses started getting sore on both front feet, not enough to be totally lame, but definitely tender. My vet took x-rays, and my farrier was there at the time too. They didn't find any sign of navicular or anything, but they treated it like that and put small wedge pads under his shoes and it helped a LOT. My other one wore pads for several months while growing out a hole from an abscess. They kept him totally sound and comfortable and wouldn't hesitate to put pads back on if one of my horses showed me they needed them. |
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| I just recently had mine shoed at a university. She is SUPER thin soled and was iffy on concrete, gravels, and hard dirt. I had shoes put on the front with pads and the Equipak poured underneath the pads. It was the pink colored equipak, so the softest one. I have read where you want the softer ones on thin soled horses because it needs to be softer on their feet vs the more supportive pour ins (hard ground). I originally wanted to have it all poured with not pads but the shoer said I would lose a lot of traction because the pour in would come level with the shoe, so we opted for the pads and pour in underneath. |
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Location: Canada | I have a gelding who wears 365 days/ yr. I use the black cheap 3.99 a pair. My farrier is amazing about keeping him balanced and padded and hes never been ouching since. It was to the point that we couldn't even shoe him on the dirt...he had to be shod standing on a foam matt....hence the idea to add the pad! I would try the 3.99 ones first and see is you get relief. There is different thicknesses as well. I use the popper ones in the winter because we love our snow in Canada  |
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